Iron Order Stabbing

December 12, 2011

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A week ago, a Hells Angel Motorcycle Club patch holder named William “Spook” Sosebee was convicted of armed robbery, kidnapping, possession of a knife during a violent crime and first-degree assault and battery for stabbing a member of another motorcycle club. The victim is named Jim Moye and this happened in a bar in Rock Hill, South Carolina. Rock Hill is about 20 miles south Charlotte, North Carolina.

A member of the Red Devils Motorcycle Club named Timothy David Hill was found not guilty of similar charges. Sosebee was sentenced to 10 years in prison without the possibility of parole.

Moye obviously wandered into the wrong bar. It was a place called Wall Bangers and it is popular with Hells Angels and friends of that club. According to official documents, Sosebee walked over Moye, hit him in the head with the butt of a Bowie knife and told him to take off his cut. When Moye refused Sosebee stabbed Moye in the stomach. None of the men involved in the altercation are exactly juvenile delinquents. Sosebee and Moye are both 58. Hill is 45.

Moye refused to implicate Sosebee. He told police “it was a motorcycle thing.” Witnesses in the bar fingered Sosebee and Hill to police.

Iron Order

This particular patch pulling is noteworthy because Moye is a member of the Iron Order Motorcycle Club. The Iron Order was founded in Kentucky in 2004 and has chapters in 42 states. The club wears a black-on-white three piece patch, accepts sworn peace officers as members and has developed a reputation as a cop club.

In an interview in 2010, the Los Angeles chapter President said, “Yes we do wear a three piece patch and our colors are black on white. The reason for our colors dates back to the start of the Iron Order. When the original eight members kicked around the idea of colors, and after trying to follow protocol with the existing MCs, the decision was made that the center patch, the Jughead (skull) only looked the best in black and white. So black on white it was. We are in every sense a traditional MC and follow all traditional protocols. We ride and we party and take care of our brothers. In fact, our brothers are put before our personal needs. We wear a California bottom rocker, as does each state’s chapter, as well as chapters outside the US. This only signifies the state we are from.”

The spokesman denied that any members of his chapter were police. “However, for future reference, we do not disclose any information about any brothers, period!” The club allows women to ride with them but not to patch. They don’t admit anyone who has ever been convicted of a felony. They do not tolerate marijuana use. They do not require members to own an American motorcycle. They claim to be “the largest independent motorcycle club in the world.” The club seems to exist almost completely apart from other motorcycle clubs but insists “we are a real motorcycle club.”

Something Is Happening Here

Both the Iron Order and the Sons of Anarchy may be pointing toward a new social phenomenon.

Last September, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported, “Authorities say that the soaring popularity of the Sons of Anarchy TV show – the most-watched in FX’s history – could be contributing to a disturbing trend: Weekend warriors, no longer content to simply ride together, are forming small motorcycle clubs and dabbling in the outlaw lifestyle.”

It is debatable whether the Inquirer knows what it is talking about but it is certain that the Harley-Davidson Motor Company has spent the last 30 years turning “the outlaw lifestyle” into a commodity. Sons of Anarchy is part of that commoditization. So is the merchandise, like ersatz colors, that the FX show promotes. And none of this probably disturbs anybody very much unless they work for Gangland or the ATF.

So Let’s Be Philosophical

But the patch pulling in South Carolina opens a Pandora’s box of fundamental questions like where did we come from, who are we and where are we going?

If the Iron Order is a real motorcycle club who is to say that the Sons of Anarchy is not? How long before some tipsy outlaw demands the surrender of the SAMCRO cut some fan bought on eBay? Or, how long before a representative of the show demands that the fan give it up because the cut is not “authorized merchandise?” What is the difference? And, will the television fan give up his “colors?”

Is there strange humor in this? Will it be funny when a couple of television actors put on their costumes and decide to take over a biker bar? Will it be funny when they get stabbed? Will Jax and Clay adhere to the code of biker omerta? And when this happens, will it be a publicity stunt for the television show? Will it be a fake stabbing or a real one? And, will their assailants end up going to prison? And if they do, will it still all be funny then?


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1,343 Responses to “Iron Order Stabbing”

  1. FirstLindsey Says:

  2. Wes Gordon Says:

    Damn, I hate ta hear that about Spook. We used to be fairly close back in the 80’s, then I lost contact with him after Thunder and Tyler got killed. I REALLY hate ta hear that he got so much time. But, knowing him, he’ll bounce back. He’s just got to realize, he’s getting too old for this bullshit!!!

  3. bcnasty Says:

    Wow, no disrespect to any here but just wow. I recon being an ugly old fuck keeps me from meeting folks that ask me stupid questions. Good part is after reading this entire thread while chained to a desk at work I got my daily dose of what the fuck.

  4. Paladin Says:

    @ Sieg,


    Long May You Ride,


  5. Sieg Says:

    “INDY”, actually backing up the practice of “ignoring all the made up rules and codes of established MC’s.” instead of calling the pigs to protect you while you do it, now THAT would be “outlaw”.

    Something the urine odor and their various incarnations have never done.

    FTF / FTP

  6. INDY Says:

    What could be more “Outlaw” than ignoring all the made up rules and codes of established MC’s. LoL.

  7. Rebelais Says:

    That Poem was written by a So Cal Hessian named Little John RIP. Ive had it for over 30 years, they used to protect it and not let it out, its a great poem though and desrves spread round but credit to Little John he has many more.

  8. rollinnorth Says:

    While trolls spout shit, William Sosebee still sits in prison.



  9. Sieg Says:

    Anyone seeking edification on the subject of the urine odor need only read the articles on this site, along with the comments, and they will surely get all the edifying they need.


  10. NathanHale Says:

    Just a question or two.

    1) Why is Iron Order not a club? I really don’t see an explanation on this other than they disrespected tradition and protocols. While I have known many bikers in clubs, and I ride myself, I have never joined a club, nor desired to, because I simply do not have the time to give proper attention to the duties of a member; nor would I want to join under that circumstance, as it would be, in my opinion, the ultimate in disrespectful. So what are the protocols and traditions? Are not MC’s formed by those who band together, elect officers, and further the purpose, which is to ride and encourage others to as well? (And of course fill their by-laws and charter with in the state, which is just really tax BS)

    2) What has the Iron Order done to warrant such distain from others as a non 1% group, which from my understanding, is a separate culture entirely from the 1%’ers?

    Anyway guys, just asking for my own edification. Y’all ride safe. Respect for all,

  11. The Kraut Says:

    Jester…do you know the difference between eating spaghetti and sucking dick?

    Do some research and report back.

    Respect to those who warrant respect

    The Kraut

  12. Mike 184 Says:

    I went back and read the whole article again after seeing the new posts. It seems like so much more of bunch of bullshit and I hate these ass hats and their perversion that they call a “club” after getting to talk to someone on the phone and personally hear his account of things.

    Jester you have no idea the sacrifices, work, heartache, brotherhood and family that this life entails. Someone disrepecting that, well, you have no idea what it is to be a man and defend it no matter what. Go off and brag how you “told someone what for” on the internet. You will be the one who looks the other way, whispers after we walk by and wants to talk shit. Funny, there are little old ladies with more balls than you who come up and say hello, show respect and get it in return. Douche….

  13. panamaa Says:

    Jesus, I’m thinking Jr. High school Rebel…..

  14. Phuquehed Says:

    Just so Jester, the movie-character-name-thief-faggot knows what a hypocrite he is…


    a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
    a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

    Now, you have my permission to go test the warning label on a plastic bag, Jester, you little bitch.

  15. Parsifal Says:

    Jester = urine odor prospect/wannabe – maybe even female/he-she. Boberts special friend? All?

  16. Shovelhead Says:

    A sure sign of an insecure, scarred little boy is one who insults a whole group of people they’ve never met. Trying to be a tough guy and insulting men you don’t know show’s cowardice.

    What else could it be? If you don’t like Bikers, so what. Ignore them! You can be sure Bikers don’t even know you exist nor care how you feel.

    If ever you did find your balls and walk up to a 1% and say the shit you’re spewing here. He’d probably just laugh at your sorry, pathetic ass and go back to whatever he was doing.

    Now get back to your books, you would think 6 years in High School might be enough, but hey, who am I to judge!

  17. Rebel Says:

    Dear Jester,

    Are you in high school?


  18. Jester Says:

    Damn you leather wearing queers get upset about the dumbest shit. The Iron Order morons are in the same class as outlaws, hells angels, mongols, whoever else you want to name. A bunch of wannabes. Definitely not cops. They probably want you to think there are cops in their club to scare the rest of you retards. None of you are impressive, none of you are any kind of “honorable” freedom-lover, and none of you are as tough as you try to tell us you are; and you can’t do anything without 6-7 of your little girlfriends backing you up.

  19. Sieg Says:

    “…is hardly the same as a stint in the military or a college education.”

    Equating a hitch in the service with getting a college degree. Pretty much seal the deal, this Hee Hee is a cunt.


  20. RtC Says:

    WOW! Some people’s children. Ya’ll will forever be known as Urine Odor & Urine
    Legwetters, with NO respect forthcoming. Cowboys & Indians, & you fucks don’t
    deserve EITHER designation.

  21. T Hell Says:

    Why is it whenever I hear that the Irun Order was formed in a garage on the 4th of July in my mind I see the glass walled garage with the Ferrari in it from Ferris Buellers Day Off?

  22. Jim666 Says:

    It`s unanimous,
    This is undoubtedly the thread that never dies !

  23. Real Black and White Supporter Says:

    I don’t know why the Iron Order would want to wear black and white because there are only two real black and white 1%er clubs and that is the Mongols MC and THE Outlaws MC. Those Iron Order pig lowlifes stole their colors. I want to first say God bless Victor and all the fallen brothers of the Mongols M.C. Chapter 13.
    First some Iron Order lowlife slime shoots an unarmed Outlaw in the face in Jacksonville Beach Florida and never gets convicted and then another slime shoots an unarmed Mongol in the face at a motorcycle expo in Commerce City Colorado and if I were a betting man I would bet he never gets convicted either.
    Those Iron Order lowlifes would not be on the map if the Mongols and the OLs decided to come together to get rid of pig trash harming their brothers.
    The Association of Law Enforcement Intelligence Units (Red Squads) and the Iron Order are 2 fascist police groups without congressional oversight that need to go away forever!

  24. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    I always refrain from bad mouthing any Club online regardless of my personal views of the organization it would be un-honorable to do so.These cowardice pukes are very different simply because the uo are not a true Club within the MC community nor will they ever earn that place.They jumped in the pond in 2004 and disrepected history, protocols, processes and rules in place to better our community and culture.

    Basically this was shitting on any real Club that earned its way everone knows this.

    In addition this is a rich culture filled with men of honor and commitment that also they possess unwavering loyalty to their Brothers their families and a value system which is truely respectable. This is also the culture that has seven decades of history and deep social roots as our host pointed out a culture that I would die to defend from a infectious piss smelling disease when provoked.

    Was it Doc Holiday that said the phase “I’m your huckleberry.”?

    For those in denial…The urine odor / legacy are in fact a cop, rat fuck, snitch bitch riding club and ol cockgar & iboob can fuck off and cease to exist. Lastly fuck each and every last one of these mail order, iron on wearing monkey fucking maggots in their detached wind pipe.

    Karma is knocking.

    Viva Los Vagos
    Ftuo / papa pissy pants rc

  25. us citizen patriot Says:

    i.o. is not a lemc. Never was , never will be.Blue knights is c.o.’s andcops, but also bike mechanics.They’re all posers.Stop calling any i.o. or blue knights a cop club.They simply are not !

  26. HAHAHA! Says:

    I got to the party late, but it’s still rolling. And what a laugh fest of fucktarded nonsense it is. A shitty, nonsensical little TV show like Sons of Anarchy and some gay-ass “reality” chopper shows (has anybody ever actually seen an Orange County chopper on the streets being ridden for longer than a mile?) have gotten all kinds of formerly normal, law-abiding, suburban folks all tumescent about wanting to be hairy, overweight, tattooed tough guys in leather outfits with the sacred three-piece patches. Apparently the Harley Owner’s Group just wasn’t edgy enough for some of the spunkier family guys. And therein lies the problem because the older, already established, hairy, smelly, tattooed and obese, “real” club bikers, the proud 1%, have rules to which they expect the rest of the world must abide. And that makes it a clean sweep; everybody involved in this mindless debate is a wet-brained mongoloid. The 1%ers act like they are a real entity, comparing themselves to established branches of the U.S. military, with their patches and protocols exactly comparable to a military uniform. Fetching beers and lighting cigarettes for your bros for up to a year as a prospect is hardly the same as a stint in the military or a college education. You think THAT qualifies you to be a member of the elite? The Major Leagues of motorcycle riding? I laugh at that preposterous shit. Don’t flatter yourselves with this sense of accomplishment. And if you want to be outsiders, living without societies laws, etc. then society can live without your silly rules and bullshit. HOWEVER, I also do not understand why off-duty cops, insurance agents, car salesmen, or pharmacists think it’s groovy to mimic the “real” tough guys (who think they’re badasses because ten of them can beat one guy at a time). These pathetic wannabe-outlaw bikers are so fucking ridiculous. These Iron Order clowns, nearly ALL of whom look like they’re soft, fat little mama’s boys, want to be sorta’ like outlaws while proudly proclaiming they are NOT outlaws. WTF? You want to be a duck but you don’t want to quack or learn to fly. So the “real” bikers, most of whom also look like soft, fat, mama’s boys but with more tats and body hair, get their dungarees in a wad and start trying to force compliance with the rules they live by. I’d think you’d have it figured out by now, most of the Iron Order wannabes, if they’re not cops they probably have concealed handgun licenses, so if they shoot you in self defense they’re not going to jail! You’re all fucking idiots, and before long it will probably be illegal to wear any kind of patch. You idiots are going to get the laws changed so that any group wearing matching clothes will be considered a “gang”. Grow up, you assholes.

  27. Iron on wheels Says:

    that iron order pis ant should have got a new neck-tie. those people who like to point out who done it, should find a new lifestyle and keep there comments to themselves.

  28. Iron on wheels Says:

    that iron order pis ant should have got more than just a prick in the gut. those people who like to point out who done it, should find a new lifestyle. they’ll live longer.

  29. Frederick Holland Says:

    I apologize for the typos. I am better at setting points on the roadside with a matchbook cover than thumb typing on an IPhone.

    May you live to see more sunsets from a distance with your face in the wind than asphalt up close with your nose in the pavement.
    Live to ride and ride to live.

  30. Frederick Holland Says:

    I have read this entire thread.
    57 years old.
    As I kid of 15-16 I both gave and “earned ” respect from Huns, DD’s, and distributed some less than legal stuff for HA’s.
    And not name dropping but just qualifying some of the stuff I was doing as a parentless kid in the 70’s. Not even that tough. Just smart enough to show real respect to the right people and stupid enough to show no fear to the wrong ones.

    After that I built my own bikes and rode solo for years.
    My childhood friends joined support clubs and had cuts stopped by rivals.

    I have seen so called Brothers f other Brothers when real s hit the fan.
    One thing to get you ass kicked, another to spend your life in jail when your Brother fs your GF
    In theses days a couple of Crips or Bloods with automatic weapons will make any MC think the LEO’ s are friends. Same thing with the Mafia. Any 13 year old Jamaican in a posse will stare down a Cadilac full of dark sunglasses.
    Face it. Old men kicking ass in 2014 is a lame as the TV shows making millions of the “lifestyle”
    And loud pipes mean sh*t when the deaf Q-Tip rear ends you and everyone one cheers.

    Anyone who talks about posers is one.
    And the fact is, just because you kicked ass or killed someone in 1960 because he was wearing different colors makes you no different than a gang banger popping an innocent child protecting your turf. Fact is, whether you are a biker, cop, priest , politician or teacher, a certain % are child molesters, scumbags, thirds, liars and losers.
    A real man picks his mountain to die on.
    Technology will eventually eliminate all that the majority seems is socially unacceptable.
    And really, acting like the idiots in the Mel Gibson movies, no matter what your simple minds believe, does not make you “special” in any normal mind.
    Grow up Neanderthals. Cro-Magnon will make your warrior ways extinct

    Flame away. My only post. After reading this entire thread, I still believe what I have all these years. Building custom bikes is way more fun than hanging out with most of the people who ride them because of their ridiculous belief that two wheels somehow make them powerful.
    A real man stands alone, hyenas hunt in packs and prey on they weak.
    I dare any MC to tell our boys who make real commitments to protecting our American lifestyle to take off their colors.
    No different than inner city gangs. Just dumber.
    Except for the Prez collecting from the Franchises.
    Just like McDonalds. Lol

    With all respect, questioning your beliefs is done with utmost respect.
    Isn’t that how you sort the good Prospects from the bad?

  31. Staggfury Says:

    No one is “dabbling” in the outlaw lifestyle . The direction of government both federal and local , the continual promotion of class warfare and an insidious subterfuge of “us and them” mentality has turned those who were the average , hard working middle class Americans into what is effectively (statutory and political) outlaws . They are doing what oppressed people of FREE MINDS do . They are banding together . There have been 1 percenters since the sixties . There have been 3 percenters since 4/19/1775 .
    So be it .

  32. Hound Says:

    IO is all over and they usually hide in the shadows. 2 or 3 might show up at a charity; they park in the back, stay away from everyone else, and if you didn’t see their bright white, with no grime, colors shining in the sun (I think they dry-clean their “cuts”) you wouldn’t even know they where there… as a matter of fact, they may have celebrated a new charter again since the old charter in my area split in two; if you can’t keep your own club together, then how how do you preach “brotherhood”??????

    They don’t prospect, they probate… and even that’s a joke. Just like the Sons of Armageddon, if you’ve got the cash, you get the patch. Revolving-Door membership is not a Brotherhood.

  33. jrnr Says:


    Hell yes! Right the fuck on!! Every new whiny ass iron faggot that comes on here, please refer to Jim’s post and then FUCK OFF!

    W D C C

  34. Mike 184 Says:

    Thanks Jim that was badass. I will second it, We do what we want, how we want, when we want. Stop coming in wanting to be a part of it then when you see that it is hard, tiring, and something that you didn’t expect you try to change it to suite your lame, pussy asses.

    And cops please go find something else to do…. Maybe photography?!?!?! You sure seem good at doing that at any event that we show up to…..

  35. Paladin Says:

    I guess playing the “Vet. card” is like playing the “race card”. Both are based on the attitude of “You owe me, just ’cause”. The “just ’cause” part is the substitute for hard work, honor, respect, and integrity.

    The foregoing statement is based on an archaic system of values that obviously has no place in today’s “enlightened” society.

    Long May You Ride (to those that deserve to),


  36. Rahlow (Rusty) Says:

    Shit,,,,,,I just figgered this shit out These fuktards is the same cocksuckers who ain’t got issues with giving amnesty to illegals,,,,,,I’m so happy now,

    L&R to the deserving

  37. John Deaux Says:

    I dunno what it is with these upcoming wannabes, they ask, you answer, they don’t like answer so they get pissed off, start calling names and go away mad. Ok fine done right ? Nooooo, some other wannabe comes in and asks they same damn question, it makes a man want to crack a bottle or 2 over their head and show them the bottom of the boot doesn’t it.
    Today’s instant gratification society has never had to knuckle down and really work for anything, like back when, you went buy your 1st Harley well they didn’t finance shit, cash or cashier check. You damn well knew you wanted it cause you worked your ass off for months to get it. Now the bike, shirts, helmet, leathers, etc is coverd in your note, no worries just make that note for 5-7 years and all’s good. I wonder how much that fucking helmet and shirt cost by the time your title comes ? As often as not the bike gets ridden for awhile then put in the garage until the little battle axe says it’s gotta go, then they think all that chrome crap from the motor company catalog increases the value. What a bunch of fools.
    Thanks I feel better now.

  38. Freeman Says:

    @ all the fucktards that came on here asking

    You got your answers, fuck off, take your ball and go home and play with it, or with your neighbor’s ball or with your dog’s we really don’t give a fuck, every time i hear (whiny lil voice) im leaving and not coming back, my immediate reaction is, could i have that in writing?

    Go play biker in your garage, by now i think you know where NOT to play dress up.

  39. JMacK Says:

    Jim, 2 comments for you.

    You nailed it. Again.

    You are a patient sonofagun.

    Much L&R

    To those that don’t like the answers to the questions you ask….you should probably find another way of life. Quit trying to insert your own realities when you don’t like what you are told. Most of the people that have answered here have been more than patient with the annoying questions. Accept it and move on. No one gives a shit if your feelings are hurt.


  40. One Eye Says:

    @Don TIC: If you are still reading this I once read in a really good book,”those who have ears, let him hear.” This is a forum so I guess you could paraphrase and say, “those who can read, let him comprehend.” Notwithstanding, in this world of PHers there is a protocol, whether you espouse it, abhor it or ignore it, it does exist. If you think that’s unfair and you should be able to wear whatever you want go buy yourself a blue bandana and a red one as well and wear them in South Central and tell them you’ve earned the right to wear them. I say wear whatever you want, but if it comes time to pay the piper cover the bill. If your convictions are that strong, it shouldn’t be a problem.

  41. whitefxrp Says:

    nailed it

  42. WARTHOG Says:

    TakingNames Says:

    “Apparently writing that was a total waste of my time.”




  43. TakingNames Says:

    Damn…I come to you guys with legitimate questions and for suggestions and advice, and y’all are still more caught up in bickering amongst yourselves!!! smfh. Apparently writing that was a total waste of my time.

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