And, now on the lighter side of the news. Way lighter.
Despite all my most sincere efforts, Sons of Anarchy has still not been cancelled. In fact, it is starting to look like it never will be.
Some guy in West Hollywood who is not Brad Pitt told me that Kurt Sutter’s homage to us is the “top-rated scripted cable series in the key 18 to 49-year-old demographic” and that it is getting better ratings than Jay Leno’s show. I don’t watch Leno either so I don’t know if that is good or not.
Tonight is the ninth episode of the year for the most astounding biker show ever. And the episode is titled “Fa Guan” which means “judge” in Mandarin. Why this episode is titled with the Mandarin word for judge probably epitomizes everything I do not get about this fine example of television mass marketing. I am not sure that you are even supposed to watch this show if you happen to know the Mandarin words for judge.
For the record, I can say, “Not guilty, your honor” in many tongues.
Wait For It
I have read that tonight the club’s investment in a porn studio goes broke so somebody named “Clay pushes for a greater emphasis on gun running. Meanwhile, the Clay-Jax schism grows even wider.” No. I don’t know what they are talking about. Not a clue.
As I remember it, this California club is buying guns from the IRA. They are not selling guns to a club in Massachusetts or Maine which then sells the guns to the IRA. No. No. The Irish lads are selling guns to America. Ooh, my head hurts. Oh no! Oh no!
Sometimes I have psychic episodes, you know? Doesn’t everybody? When I thought too long about importing guns from Ireland to America I got a glimpse of my own funeral! And some jackass is playing the theme song from Sons of Anarchy on a boom box! And…I…am…dead…and…I…can’t…get…up! Make it stop! Make it stop!
Where was I? I wonder if this episode will feature a gun show in Arizona? What do you think? Ooh, my head! Make it stop!
Where was I? Oh yeah. I mention this now only because I know some of you really love this piece o’ crap and I am trying to be nice to you. One friend of this page, I happen to know, particularly loves to look at Charlie Hunnum naked.
Oh Charlie He’s So Fine
Pretty Bitch, set your DVR. Tonight Hunnum takes another shower. I do not know if he takes the shower with a Chinese judge or as a part of a porno movie or at a gun show or what. Okay? You tell me when you get the chance.
But tonight Charlie takes his clothes off. Again. So head’s up.
Oh, my head! Make it stop!
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November 3rd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Rebel, you and most of your readers will dig this pic (sorry about the fuken long url): http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs259.snc1/10626_161916730016_648470016_2759991_5049717_n.jpg
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I like riding that white line on the right too.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Give’em hell Rebel,
I haven’t missed one episode of this so called biker show, it has just enough crap to be entertaining, I mean, come on, does anybody think this is the real life of an outlaw m.c. ?
I just know it makes me laugh, just like all the other monkeys !!
Joe
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Hey Grumbler
Every time I try that shit I get beer everywhere but my mouth….. guess it’s all in the wrist, but it’s a real slow way to get drunk
reguards
doc
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:54 pm
DOC – a whole bunch of years ago was riding my chopper north of Santa Cruz on the PCH south of Davenport with a bud. It was *hot* that day. All at once, a cage rolled-up alongside. Was about to give them a dirty look only to see a cold can of beer being offered to me. Dude asked me if I wanted it. Hell, yeah! He opened it and handed it over. Drank about half with some spillage then handed it over to my bud. We all waved and my bud tossed his empty can aside. We usually got stoned smoking that funny stuff in those days. Ever try passing a doobie back and forth while riding? Harder than passing a beer can. ;^)
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:59 pm
“One friend of this page, I happen to know, particularly loves to look at Charlie Hunnum naked”.
Well, THIS is disturbing…I realize following journalistic protocol, sources are secret.Time for investigative work…
OK, got a pic of Hunnum naked on google images…uh huh….that’s kinda disturbing too..now,look down…(wow,either I put on weight or it’s smaller than I remember…), whew, nope not me…some other friend…
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
I think he was referring to Pretty Bitch, but thanks sled tramp… it wasn’t bad enough that Rebel put the image of a naked Brit pretend biker in my head…. now, NOW, I have the image of a naked American for real biker holding a picture of a naked Brit pretend biker while checking out his junk!!! DAMN dude! I don’t know what else to say? DAMN, shit, I need a drink!
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:49 pm
BEAR,
LMAO….I couldn’t help it…these days everytime I even HEAR S.O,A,I start laughing…..Poor Doc….(they’re EVERYWHERE Doc….:-)
I’m seriously laughing at your response…that was fuckin’ FUNNY…
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Doc,
I’ve seen very bad things happen to those who disrespect a patch and the man or men wearing it.Generally speaking-and it seems not to be as much the norm as a few years ago-when starting a club(M.C. not R.C.),the main club of the state or area was approached and consulted.(You probably know this, I’m just giving background)It was usually a go, depending. S.O.A. is not the motor company nor a recognized group like H.O.G. and I’m a little concerned,if not actually confused,why someone would a) Wear a three piece patch from a T.V. Show (since anyone stupid enough to play “dress up pretend” at that level of poser is dillusional) and b) Why those that do are being allowed to.I can only assume that it’s due to the M.C. world knowing the difference, but to a citizen in a cage-we all look alike ya know-who’s easy to bullshit as they know even less than the S.O.A. poser,there’s a blurring of reality.Not that I care what Mr. Volvo thinks but …..
This creates a dangerous mindset in my opinion.ANYBODY can be instabiker just like we have R.U.B. gold card members in the poser world.BTW, I don’t begrudge having money and a bike,I can’t condone disrespect to a larger established group that sweated history and whose culture and lifestyles were dissed by new age attitudes. When I was in the army, and we caught some leg with his boots bloused and wearing jump boots…..shitcanning his ass would be without question the appropriate response.And I mean HARD.
If I ever see someone with S.O.A. colors on a cut, you’ll hear me in fuckin’ UTAH (I should mention that I do not live in Utah).
It disrespects all those who have earned the right to fly their colors through the path of most resistance.
We can laugh about this shit in these comments but seriously,it’s wrong.I know there’s some reading this that have these S.O.A. rockers.Do me a favor.Toss ‘em.It’s a lie.When you lie, you lose yourself.Being a biker,a real biker, entails stripping the bullshit and being truthful to yourself.That’s not some bullshit comment either.Trust and respect are earned.If you can put those on and ride in public you have no fucking idea what it means to be a biker.Not…one…fucking…clue.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:18 am
Sled Tramp,
I went to Long Beach swap meet two weeks ago and couldn’t believe how many Mayans soft patches I saw from SOA. Holy hell. It kinda disturbed me that some people have the balls to pull that shit. One guy was even posted up next to some Vagos. Though they didn’t seem too pleased about it haha. But fear not Sled Tramp! Just this last Sunday, a friend of mine who happens to ride with a club, went with his pals to Cook’s Corner. They pulled three Sons of Anarchy soft patches off some jackasses. They offenders apologized profusely, then rode home shirtless, promising to never do such a thing again.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:41 am
the way i see it i have a choice i can watch this work of fiction of i can head for the shop with my old dog and a jug , now my OL watches the show on a regular basis and yup i do believe the old gal thinks Jax is dreamy! but what the fuck she knows the differance between fiction and reality besides all her other T.V.entertainment options involve some kind supercop/CSI bullshit and just how many times can one watch that fucking ham david caruso douche it up in miami?
November 4th, 2009 at 6:31 am
sled tramp – if a R/C decides to wear a one-piece patch (purchased, not earned) then, to avoid possible future problems, it should get permission from the local dominant m/c first. A local R/C here contacted the nearest biker rights group on whether that was the protocol, and was advised to do so. BTW, was at a place called New 2 Old Designs, and they have a chain stitched repop of the 3-piece lone wolf/no club patch from the early ’70s on an older vest for $250. It belongs inside the store, not on someone’s back.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Grumbler,
Just so’s I’m clear…
Yeah, you’re right of course, anyone should ask.Protocol should alawys be followed.I rarely dealt with RC’s as most of them in my area when I was in an M.C. were long established and we weren’t the club to ask.We just got the information along with anybody else..I know a couple that eventually went M.C. but that’s a different story.There are a lot more of them now.Politics and respect still matter though.I let my irritation and a few brews fly the keyboard rather than proof read it.
I don’t care about the show,I’m sure it’s entertaining and appeals to a segment that fantasizes beyond the normal viewing level.It just pisses me off about patches.TBH, it pissed me off way back when that R.C.’s had patches that were bought not earned.Sorry,but that’s the way I felt.I knew a million guys that simply wore a cargo jacket,some KC’S and if cold weather, welding gloves.Simple.They knew who they were and who was with them.I always saw R.C. patches-like H.O.G.- as wannabe bullshit.We all have our little triggers…that’s one of mine.
If I saw a patch I knew was issued or bought simply because the wearer filled out a form,it really irritated me.
Didn’t mean to get up on a soapbox now or last night.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Dear Sled Tramp
Quote:
“We can laugh about this shit in these comments but seriously,it’s wrong.I know there’s some reading this that have these S.O.A. rockers.Do me a favor.Toss ‘em.It’s a lie”
You’re right.
I get off work about 11:30 at night, prime time in some of the bars. I cruised Haloween night thinking I might find some fucking idiot wearing a SOA cut, but no, it might have been a bit chilly for the wanabees. I didn’t see any other bikes in front of the wanabee bars.
There’s a big anual toy run the Sunday after Thanksgiving. Everybody is there, RC and MC, weekenders and wanabees. It’ll be interesting to see if any idiots show up. I’m kinda looking forward to it this year. Everybody’s ganna be lookin’ for em.
doc
November 4th, 2009 at 8:55 am
sled tramp – we both know the difference btw the real world and the entertainment world aka Hollywood. Unfortunately, there’s too many idiots out there who know absolutely nothing about the motorcycle culture. Anyone wearing that eBay SOA crap obviously has delusions of grandeur. Meaning, an idiosyncratic false belief that they’re actual members of a fictional m/c or at least pretending that they are. A straitjacket would be a better choice. ;^)
BTW, am usually wearing a black First Gear Mesh-Tex jacket and FF helmet during my road trips. Let’s just say that I learned the hard way that keeping a low profile makes my life easier. If it’s hot, a long sleeved striped t-shirt and textile vest (sunburns blow and airflow is all good) works for me. FWIW. FYI. YMMV. WTF.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:31 am
“YMMV”.
Dern lack of edgumication….dunno what that means but I liked the straitjacket reference.
Nothing wrong with anything anybody wears clothing wise.I’m not trying to be down on shit as I know it seems.The patch thing is a sore point of over thirty five years.Some things just stick.
I still think engineer boots,a cargo jacket and KC’s is my mentality.When I (rarely) see that,I head on over to introduce myself.And despite my using a ff sometimes, I still prefer none at all despite the obvious drawback.I grew up that way.I like the newer tex stuff as long as it doesn’t make me look like a teenage ninja turtle or something.I’ve never slid out with a cargo (Carhart like jacket) on and been rashed.
My final note on this-I’m somewhat embarrassed I carried on as I have-is this.Over the years,I’ve seen a certain loss in a culture I’m a member of.Things change but I’m selfish. I miss the old days (ain’t gonna try to claim otherwise).We find it frustrating to be unable to meet more guys that understand where my people are coming from.It further insulates us,draws us tighter but we’d also occasionally like to feel better about who we meet.On the other hand, my brothers have been through so much bullshit, they usually just snort and shake their heads.There are so goddamn many posers out there.Why people can’t just say,”OK,I’m going to try out the M.C. world” or,”I’m just going to buy a bike and ride and meet folks as they come” rather than being the latter posing as the former, I dunno…maybe I’m making a mountain out of a mole hill but it bothers us.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:06 am
sled dog – YMMV denotes Your Mileage May Vary. As a joke, YMMV can be used for You Make Me Vomit.
The First Gear Mesh-Tex 3.0 jacket that I wear looks like a regular motorcycle jacket in black. It was discontinued (newer version came out), but is still available at some online vendors.
Was returning to Boise from Markleeville in August of 2006 which was a fairly warm day. By the time I got north of Winnemucca on US-95, my 19 year old leather jacket felt as if it weighted a ton.
That’s when I decided to look into mesh/textile jackets with a liner, and switched over. Still have my old jacket as it’s a sentimental classic.
I don’t give a flip about the lifestyle riders nor posers as long as they stay out of my way. They’re like flotsam and jetsam on the road.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Grumbler,
While riding I reflected upon this… so you wrote, “For what it’s worth,for your information,you make me vomit,what the fuck?
Huh………………
That’ll teach me to comment on these things…..
November 4th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
For What It’s Worth. For Your Information. Your Mileage May Vary. What The Fuck.
Looks way better as: FWIW. FYI. YMMV. WTF.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
The Creep Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 1:18 am
I went to Long Beach swap meet two weeks ago and couldn’t believe how many Mayans soft patches I saw from SOA. Holy hell. It kinda disturbed me that some people have the balls to pull that shit. One guy was even posted up next to some Vagos. Though they didn’t seem too pleased about it haha. But fear not Sled Tramp! Just this last Sunday, a friend of mine who happens to ride with a club, went with his pals to Cook’s Corner. They pulled three Sons of Anarchy soft patches off some jackasses. They offenders apologized profusely, then rode home shirtless, promising to never do such a thing again.
Even though I think wearing a bogus 3 piece patch is completely ridiculous,let alone stupid(I also saw the mayans patches at the swap meet).Its even more ridiculous for some bikers to walk up to some douchebags and forcibly have them remove the fake patch.Considering all the heat thats around these days you would think some guys were smart enough to not violate the fukkin RICO act and pull such a stupid stunt.
Did those “smart guy” friends of yours smile for the camara while they were doing this??
November 4th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Anyone stupid enough to buy and wear these SOA rockers or any patches as such needs to take a test to see if they are truly sane, in my whole life this has to be the stupidest shit I have heard.Some dumbasses have no clue,I wonder if the FEDS are behind the sales of such items as a way to start more trouble for people who may be just crazy enough to fuck with these retards?Should get interesting in the future,REBEL keep up the good work, your site is the greatest.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
I’ve been on this thing wayyyyyyyyy too much today due to boredom except for a 100 mile putt to stress relieve but I gotta relate this bullshit.
My wife came home from work and told me she was going into the store next town up when she saw a WOMAN, on a fucking RICEGRINDER, wearing a set of S.O.A. colors.My wife stood in slack jawed disbelief-so she told me-She went up to the woman and asked what was up with the colors.The bitch said (get this) “Oh, everyone’s wearing them…you’d have to have a bike to understand..”. My wife almost punched her. Anyways, my wife told the %*&# it was a lucky thing it wasn’t me that saw her or there’s be a naked bitch running back to her bike.
Holy fuckin’ christ….
November 4th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Dear Sled Tramp,
World War Three will be started by a woman.
Rebel
November 4th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
*blush*
Rebel – You made my day! This article has me all over it and I can’t believe it took me a whole day to notice LOL!! I feel famous!
Yes, I saw Jax’s hot ass last night. Althought it wasn’t all shiny and steamy from the shower (sorry guys), it was still hot.
I do have a confession to make though… My crush on Jax is almost gone. As I sat there watching the show last night, I noticed his eyes are too fucken close together and thought to myself, “Ewww – what the hell was I thinking?” I tried to dismiss it as bad lighting or even maybe a bad camera angle but nope, them peepers are just too close to the nose for me and it looked creepy as hell. THEN it got worse! I started noticing the greasy hair, the way he stands in ALMOST every scene (hands in pockets, etc.), the way he walks, you name it – it bugged me. Anyway, I closed my eyes, shook it off, and started focusing on the movie…you know – what was going on and all but things with me and the movie aren’t the same
I believe the only reason I’m watching it now is because I’m waiting for Gemma’s revenge. The movie is getting ridiculous. The scripts are just plain silly now and I’m really disappointed. This movie wasn’t 1/2 bad when it started but now it’s dragging to the point where I find myself sitting there with the remote toggling between channels during most of the show! I don’t like watching something where my predictions about what’s gonna happen next is around the 95% range.
I’m so ashamed…lol
Well, you know I’m going to keep watching. This Sutter guy is going to run out of stuff to make-up and it’s really too bad that he didn’t have a REAL 1%’er to consult with or at LEAST listen to some of their ideas. He is probably skeered. A realistic show would result in many more seasons instead of running out of ideas and ending the show after only 2 (maybe 3 max).
Anyway, thanks again Rebel, you Stud! I’m going to bed with a smile on my face and it’s all because of you xo!
G’nite…
November 5th, 2009 at 6:05 am
I won’t lie. I like the show. I find it entertaining. Remember, there’s no accounting for taste
And while I think people should be able to wear whatever they please, after all it is a free country or so I have been told. I have been riding for 35 years. I have friends who are in clubs, some of whom are 1%ers, so I get that someone wearing a fake patch set is disrespectful, but something like a t-shirt for a fictional TV show (soft colors) I would hope would just make for a good laugh and nothing more.
As far as the feds producing the patch sets and soft colors that are being sold on eGay, I did contact some of the sellers last year when it started and mentioned that at the very least they should include a warning, especially on the patch sets, that they should not be worn.
Surprisingly, the only replies I got from the sellers told me that they were members of a (well known) club and that would do as they please. Maybe they were full of it, who knows.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:43 am
I think Wearing SOA PATCHES would be like fucking a fag,” it feels good till somebody you knows sees you”.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:14 am
The Creep,
I gotta start going to the Long Bitch swap again (for anyone else who wants to go, it’s at http://toppingevents.com ) just to see the number of people flying SOA and Mayans (???) colors/soft colors.
YYZ Skinhead
November 5th, 2009 at 8:52 am
I think any grown man that needs to sew cartoon patches on his jacket to prove that he is tough or is a top criminal is a bit of a dildo and not to be trusted.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Does anyone remember the Dick Van Dyke show episode when Rob gets a motorcycle and the leather jacket with the yellow tulip “patch”. On the front of the jacket it said”Robby Baby”. Now that is what I would love to see !!!!!Rebel I thoroughly enjoy yor site , found it by I don’t remember but glad I did.
November 5th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Until I had to retire it due to a big assed rip in the pit, this is what I had on my back: http://www.cbpotts.com/images/brew_labels/buttface.jpg
November 5th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Dear Pretty Bitch,
If this show is losing you it is in trouble, I think. You know in his last, major, recurring role Hunnum played a homosexual, right? Not to kick you when you are down or anything, I just thought, maybe, you should know. And, I have also read that Hunnum has bragged that he had the Sons of Anarchy patch actually tattooed on his back. So he is not gay, but he likes to play gay on TV and he is also, apparently brain damaged. Oh never mind.
Go back and enjoy the show now. Never mind me. If I think there is anything you should know I will try to bring it up. Really, baby, Hunnum is not good enough for you. Just so you know. But enjoy the show anyway. Bye.
your pal,
Rebel
November 5th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Dear Benjamin,
Geez dude! Where did that come from? Are you new?
your pal,
Rebel
November 5th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Dear Benjamin
QUOTE:
“I think any grown man that needs to sew cartoon patches on his jacket to prove that he is tough or is a top criminal is a bit of a dildo and not to be trusted.”
I told em where you sleep dude…………… good fuckin luck, and don’t trust any of em
Doc
November 5th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Hey, I just thought………..
Sooner or later this shit has to happen:
At a swap meet near you some Myan patches meet some Sons cuts….. do we get to watch an imaginary fight?
bunch a bitches
Doc
November 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Jarhed Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Even though I think wearing a bogus 3 piece patch is completely ridiculous,let alone stupid(I also saw the mayans patches at the swap meet).Its even more ridiculous for some bikers to walk up to some douchebags and forcibly have them remove the fake patch.Considering all the heat thats around these days you would think some guys were smart enough to not violate the fukkin RICO act and pull such a stupid stunt.
Did those “smart guy” friends of yours smile for the camara while they were doing this??
Yeah, they probably waved at the cameras too, while holding up a copy of their drivers license. I never said they were “smart guys”. Just friends. I don’t see that my friend nor his club acted out of line in any way. I’m sure they are also perfectly aware of the potential legal reprecussions of their act. Terrorist threats, assault, possible even battery. Oh well, that’s just how little ‘ol me sees things.
November 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I’d rather people wear the patch of a bogus club then a bogus patch of my club.
November 5th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
A guy could get killed staying off this site…decided to go for a long ride this morning.Ended up outrunning the armegeddon of black cloud storms.Returned via a twisty,sheer drop off road to skirt the rain.As I rounded a hairpin with roughly 250 feet to the bottom on my left,I did a double take.Coming onto the road off the cutbank to the left were 4 cow elk.Had I been maybe 30 seconds later..BIG load in the shorts.
Sohn:
Somewhere around 1973, I was at a swap meet in San Francisco when a guy wearing the old style patch of a very famous club came swaggering through.Suddenly, a number of members of said club surrounded the guy “friendly like” and hustled him off.A buddy of mine found out the guy wasn’t an actual member.I later saw the gentleman out in the parking lot.I think the term “Somewhat worse for wear” would apply there.
Doc: Yer funny….imagine Hollywood punch throws, those 1966 Batman T.V. show “Powie” and “Crash” cartoon words flying around….
Benjamin: I think you should walk up to a patch holder with a diamond 1% patch and say the following,”I think you’re all just a bunch of thavage thissys and a bit of a dildo”. Please inform me prior to this as I need to set up a video camera for “America’s funniest videos”. I need the money.
Sled Tramp
November 5th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Dern old age….elk were on the right.Not that it matters but it bothered me.
November 5th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Even South park is getting into the act. The FAG episode that aired last night about a gang of guys who are Bikecurious hilarious.
Loweed
November 5th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
I just caught one of my kids watching Gangland (I know…bad parenting….)and after we had a little chat about B.S. T.V. shows,I watched it for a second. (Yes, I know…..)
Anyways, it occurred to me that in these shows,members willingly go on camera to discuss life.I’m assuming it’s all the same shit and probably pretty basic-at least what I saw was-but ya know……?
A number of these clubs we’ve seen infiltrated were damaged by agents that never prospected.On the word of someone with pull, they got in.And, despite warnings of bad sixth sense by trusted members,were allowed to stay in.
So we apparently have cases of no prospecting and open discussions to at least SOME extent of club doings.And clubs getting screwed because of it.
Chinks in armor are going to be explored.No doubt.I just don’t get how a major or even a fair sized club can allow either of these situations.That’s extremely fuckin’ dangerous.
I busted my fucking ass as a prospect.If a member had something to say, it was treated with respect.We lost prospects due to severity of passage.
I r confused……
November 5th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Dear sled tramp:
As far as 1% coverage goes, Gangland is an “after-action” type show, in that they take a known ,well-documented event in the cub’s past, and give a fairly accurate representation of it. They got ATF, club members, ex club members who snitched, etc and my understanding is that there is no “commentary” other than an announcer, and since the show usually deals with a specific event (like Laughlin) it does not give a comprehensive “look” into any gang or club.
I kind of have to go with the individuals who have appeared and trust their motives. Well, except maybe for Doc Cavasoz. I do believe that there is no “shot gun” approach where in live TV they stick a mike in your face and start interrogating you.
Obviously, if it wasn’t sensational, it wouldn’t attract, but far as I have seen, it measures up. I loved it when Sonny Barger called Dobyns a liar and said he would “swear on his patch as a Hells Angel” that Dobyns
never patched into the club………
November 5th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
the torture is a volentary experiment, lesson,#1 how to get tangled up in the wheel, lesson#2 don’t give up, lesson #3, it can fit ,4 got,its so hard to believe in truth, her daughter was only thirteen growing on 33, became a bride to rescue that child, and they call it Harley forgotten their roots Davidson, T.V. is shit, life is filled with it, lies, Amachine
November 5th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Not Surprised:
I have since been informed by one of my sons that Gangland is snitch central with almost all interviews being conducted by private crews that are sold to the show.That all information is fundamental for the citizens and that it’s rare that anything of importance is related.
I still don’t really understand any club having anything whatsoever to do with a show like that but what the hell, I’m retired.
Besides, it won’t be on long…snitches are a dying breed….
November 6th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Not Surprised: I’ve got to disagree with you on one point, subjective though it is. I’ve watched most of the Gangland episodes dealing with motorcycle clubs – and the announcer/narrator is FAR from neutral. While the facts about a particular incident may be fairly accurate, the style in which they’re presented tends strongly to the inflammatory. I haven’t pored over the episodes to gather clips for proof, but it seems that they find some context in which to describe every motorcycle club they look at as the “most violent.” The presentation is repetitive and clearly intended to shock/scare anyone who’s not terribly familiar with biker culture and thus doesn’t have basis for a bullshit filter on that area of information.
I can only imagine that their coverage of other groups is similarly tainted.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Dear Sled Tramp,
The actual producers of Gangland carefully hide their identities.
Producers, writers and directors go uncredited on the show. Gangland.com is a nest of pages on the History Channel website. Ganglandproducers is a dead web site. Ganglandproducer, without the “s” is an “under-construction” site used to forward emails to a confidential web address.
The History Channel is the official producer of Gangland. The History Channel is a wholly owned subsidiary of a company called Arts and Entertainment Television Networks (AETN.) AETN in turn, is a joint venture of the Hearst Corporation and the Walt Disney Company. NBC has a minority share in AETN.
AETN describes itself as, “an award-winning, international media company offering consumers a diverse communications environment ranging from television programming, to home videos/DVDs and music CDs, to Web sites, as well as supporting nationwide educational initiatives.”
People who agree to appear on Gangland sign agreements with the History Channel but they are interviewed by and photographed by freelancers.
The people actually responsible for Gangland are probably the owners of one of several “realty” productions companies in Los Angeles that produce numerous shows for AETN.
Typical of these companies is one called Original Productions on Verdugo Avenue in Burbank. The company was founded by Thom, Leslie and Tim Beers and has produced numerous popular “reality shows” including “Deadliest Catch,” “Monster Garage” and “Ice Road Truckers.”
Which is certainly not to say that Original Productions actually is responsible for Gangland.
The motorcycle club episodes seem mostly to follow various ATF “operations.” Sounds scientific doesn’t it. “Operation.”
All of these operations seem to have involved numerous instances of blatant or borderline entrapment. All the crimes that seem to have been discovered by these investigations were more or less contrived by the ATF. And, in at least three of these Gangland episodes, Special Agent Darrin Kozlowski was involved. Or so I have been told. I was told this by somebody who is sympathetic to Kozlowski so I tend to believe it is true.
I have been told that Kozlowski was part of the bogus Warlocks chapter in Fort Lauderdale. That he was part of another bogus club called the Unforgiven that took part in the ATF investigation of the Sons of Silence. He backed up William Queen in Operation Ivan. And, of course, he patched into the Mongols during Operation Black Rain.
What an interesting life this guy Kozlowski has lived! I can hardly wait to read his book!
your pal,
Rebel
November 6th, 2009 at 10:03 am
DirtyBruin, sled tramp and Not Surprised,
I’ve taped most of the Gangland “outlaw biker” shows and all of them are identical. Each club is “one of the most violent”, there is always at least one “ex-member” (an “associate” in the Vagos show last night) and/or an infiltrator playing official rat, there are a lot of lying pigs, there is a discussion of “biker gang codes”, some single occurrence of violence is played up, et cetera, et cetera. I just wonder when they will run out of 1% clubs to cover. The Mongols have been featured in two shows and the HA in three–so far. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangland_(TV_series)
YYZ Skinhead
November 6th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Doc,
People are already pimping Mayans soft colors on eGay.
In addition, I found yet another SOA cut, but this one has black text on a white patch. Good luck to anyone caught wearing it by the wrong club.
YYZ Skinhead
November 6th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Dear Rebel,
Thanks for the in depth info.Again, we have a show that has an obvious demographic targeted,that being 18 to 49 year old, otherwise uninformed citizens. Oh goody…so next time some family in a cage pulls up to me they will remember that History Channel show on bike riding savages….
Lucky me.
BTW, how is it that this guy Kozlowski was in the Ivan deal and STILL wasn’t ferreted out during Black Rain? Does he have one of those Jim Carrey faces that change like playdough?
Dear YYZ Skinhead,
And thanx to you too.Maybe they can do a show on H.O.G. Those C.P.A.’s and C.E.O.’s are a bunch of manipulative,scheming leaders that will sell out their people at a drop of the hat.And their connections to powerful organizations in say…Mexico, are scary to the average citizen.Parading in their arrogance on those expensive Harleys…..sheesh….
Sled Tramp
November 6th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Gangland is getting old. If you have seen on episode about a motorcycle club you have seen them all. For any of you that have been frequent watchers you have probably noticed that several photographs they have used in previous unrelated episodes resurface in new episodes. Lazy editing i guess. The outline is all the same. “Most Violent” “Prospecting” “crimes” “what 1%er means” “what patches mean” “federal busts” “gang will always survive” blah blah blah. They are all interchangeable.
The new thing I noticed in last nights Vago episode was the poor screening process of so called “ex-members.” The Gangland producers must have been really excited to find one of Americas biggest killers. This guy killed close to 40 people for the Vagos, admits he sells drugs and came on tv to tell you all about it. Where did they find this guy? The local mental institution? I am surprised we couldn’t hear the interviewer laughing when this guy made such claims. Did anyone believe this moron?
The show was called “Snitch Slaughter” but never once did they discuss a Vago killing any snitches.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
There were no Vagos on the show. They had Video of a former Vago rat that is now dead. A “so-called associate, who said he has been “snitching for dollors” for the last 20 years, and some hooded maniac probobly on leave from the state mental institution who thinks he is Manson, Jack the Ripper, and Don Corleone all wrapped into one. What a fuckin joke! The show use to be worth a laugh but thats even getting tired now.
November 7th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Ok, we all knew this would happen. http://Www.sonsofanarchypa.com These guys use the the TV patch but claim to be a “real” MC of vet’s. I wonder if they’re real vet’s or have just played a lot of Call of Duty?
November 8th, 2009 at 12:05 am
OOOOOOOKKkkkkkkkkk….enough…
Somebody go find this puke (it should be easy enough, he’s probably living in his mom’s basement whacking his pud looking at Easyrider mags) and tell him he needs to up his meds and sell his schwinn.
November 8th, 2009 at 2:57 am
Bishop: Holy crap! That’s just … amazing. And according to that site, the “club” was formed in August last year – before the show actually premiered! (Though I’m sure there was plenty of promo material out.)
Just mind boggling; I freely admit, “Sons of Anarchy” is a cool name, but Kurt Sutter thought of it and (doubtless) trademarked/copyrighted it. It would be sweet for this “club” to be shut down by an intellectual property infringement suit laid by the production company of the show…! They’d have them cold on appropriating the patch design, even if they can find some way to weasel on the actual name – but in combination with the patch, I don’t think even that would happen.
Could this be what it takes to get Rebel to cheer for the SoA production team? *grin*
November 8th, 2009 at 4:05 am
if you watch SOA on a regular basis, you may be “Closeted”.
If you own an SOA T-shirt, you’re probably “Out” already.
If you have full set of SOA colors , You love Show Tunes and watch Bravo a lot.
November 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Am home during a monsoon with an oil change/tune up this afternoon and while bored,ran across this…
There’s an obvious reason they’re “No longer in business” but due to the posers in the S.O.A. arena…thought I add to the “Stoopid” info.
BTW, I ain’t continuing to try to beat a dead horse here.The S.O.A. shit has been discussed and ridiculed ad nasueum. I just think that some people are too stupid to EVER get it..and we know what happens to those types don’t we class….
November 8th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Dear Bishop,
Yeah. This is not an actual motorcycle club. I do not see a link to the Pagans, Outlaws, Warlocks or Breed on it. Do you?
This would be what is called “guerrilla marketing” for the television show. And, I would not give a shit except for all the references to veterans on this bogus club’s site. I am not particularly sentimental but it pisses me off.
I do not particularly appreciate some spoiled, yuppie cocksucker trying to sell his television show by pretending to pay homage and respect to veterans. I would appreciate it if Kurt Sutter would tone down some of the haunted war veteran references. I will leave it at that.
Rebel
November 8th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
It would probably have made more sense in my above post if I’d included what the hell I was talking about…..
outlawbikersuppliesusa.com
November 8th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
This is the link to my above post.Dumbshit that I am, I left it out.
November 8th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Sled Tramp: I would like to point out that at the time it was known as such, “HA Leathers” was owned and operated by a member (“Lil Joe”) of the motorcycle club you might expect from the initials, and I can only imagine he had club permission to call his business that. After he passed away from a heart attack, I presume the club informed whoever inherited the company that they’d have to change the name. So while “HA Leathers” is technically out of business – essentially the same company still operates as Lil Joe’s Legendary Leathers.
I bought one of their vests back when Joe was still alive, because it was beautifully made – and made here in the USA. I just love it – though as the company is now supplying a certain TV show, I worry a little about being seen as a groupie, despite the fact I bought it years ago.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Dear Dirty Bruin,
This is probably off the point but I just have to say I knew Lil Joe. I once bought a vest from Lil Joe and I had forgotten it until your post. What I remember about the guy was every time I saw him he seemed to be wearing bell bottoms. Do you remember that? I didn’t hallucinate that, right?
Rebel
November 9th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Dirty Bruin,
Thanks for setting me straight.I tend to be fly off the handle suspicious about this kind of shit.I think I’ve seen that vest down at Flash’s/FOCM back home.Just burned out on posers I guess….
sled tramp
November 9th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Rebel: I only briefly encountered him once and as he was sitting down signing some of his gear for people – I have no clue about his choice in jeans. Certainly doesn’t seem like it would be very practical on a bike… but then I think that regarding quite a few things I’ve seen people wearing when they ride, so who am I to say? (I’ve never understood getting beaten by leather fringe, for instance….)
sled tramp: I understand the Poser Problem, and I can see from that site you referenced why you got the impression you did. I just wanted to clarify that HA Leathers wasn’t an example of that particular plague.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
I spent 5 years and my life savings on a custom motorcycle company although prior to that I was a corporate guy (bad mid life crisis I guess). I put my heart and sole in it and have ridden all my life although I would probably be classifed as a yuppie (back when I had money anyway). I’m no club member but I’m no HOG member either and I never trailered my bike anywhere.
I dealt with club affiliated suppliers and other club members and learned the “hard” way how they operate. I can’t say I was ever treated unfairly but business had a whole different meaning and disputes don’t wind there way through court, they are resolved quickly and efficiently. Right, wrong, or whatever, sometimes that’s just a better way to handle things in my opinion.
I ran out of money and left that business, painful in a way but I loved every minute of it. So fast forward two years…I’m at my kids Pop Warner football game where we got this tough acting big dad with tats that comes to the games with his pitbull and stands off to the side looking menacing. One day he’s got a “Sons of Anarchy” shirt on and I’m thinking to myself how strange that is, I’ve never seen that club before, so I google it later and find out its a friggin TV show!
Needless to say I just laughed my ass off, I tried to explain to him but gave up. I fully understand the issues around the patch and what it means, who should wear it and all and I personally would never disrespect that. I think the HOG stuff disrespects it but that’s just my opionion. What kills me about it is the whole Harley/Japanese thing is about authenticity, you drive an authentic American V-Twin…but then you dress up like someone you’re not? Why bother with the Harley then?
For the real bikers out there (self clearly excluded), I hope when you run across this guy you’re not as pleasant as Creeps buddies at Cook’s….miss that place. Stil
November 10th, 2009 at 9:01 am
In reference to people going on GANGLAND, these guys that produce this show only do the worst of what a CLUB is about and as one poster said are made up primarily of ex members and liars,and yes it was sort of funny that BARGER said DOBYNS was never a member of his club. GANGLAND will go to any extent to get ratings and they edit the show so as to only show the worst, so my suggestion for people is, stay the hell off the television, as everytime someone goes on there you will find an article in the news a bit later on how that particular persons CLUB or ex CLUB has been busted and is now facing RICO CHARGES.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Dear Dirty Bruin,
My understanding of fringe is that it is supposed to wick away the rain. Don’t know. It seems to me I had a Mustang seat with fringe on it on a shovel back in the 80s. At the time, I probably thought it looked cool. I also had a whip on my handlebars back in the 90s too. Never actually got the chance to use that. I guess I am saying I am not actually anti-fringe. I like it on girls.
your pal,
Rebel
November 10th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Dear Dirty Bruin,
Gee….I’ve been on the fringe all my life….
Dear Rebel,
Yeah, orginally, because buckskin is absorbant,fringe was meant to wick away water.I’ve never really agreed with Dave Mann’s pictures comparing bikers to Mountain men though.Mountain Men wore chaps,feathers,beads,a LOT of fringe…ball sacks,high leather shoes, ramrods and gawd ferbid…wiping sticks….And they tended to travel in pairs, with no one to turn to but themselves..
Makes a guy all heeby jeeby,ya know?
November 10th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
sled tramp: A t-shirt a buddy of mine got me from Montana would probably freak you big time, then… shows a guy on a Harley in full mountain-man gear, smoking a pipe… with a grizzly bear riding bitch!
Oh yeah, the text over them is “RIDE THE WILD ONE” and in smaller print below it says “Only In Montana”.
You may be asking yourself why he got me this … partly because he knows grizzly bears are my favorite wild animal, and partly to see if I’d actually wear it.
November 11th, 2009 at 9:17 am
It’s easy to see how the average Joe can get confused. In the right hand column of this very page, there is an ad as follows:
Hells Angels Patch
Find Hells Angels Back Patches at Great Prices.
http://www.Pronto.com
It’s no wonder that so many people outside ‘the life’ know little and care less about the difference between a 3 piece and a 1 piece, they see the clubbers organising toy runs, they see ads in Thunder Press for Sonny’s 70th birthday, and they think that it’s all one big TV show, no real different to the hot rodders and the pimp-my-truckers.
Blame whatever you like, to me this is yet another result of too many people having got used to their life being packaged for them, who’d rather watch a sunset on TV rather than ride off into one.
November 11th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Damon,
Even better…on occasion there are “Become a police officer”,”Federal jobs” and “Join Law enforcement” ads in the blue box to the right…Now THAT’S funny….
sled tramp
November 11th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Ah so, clearly the waterhole attracts the lion and the warthog alike.
I’m getting philosophical, must be time to call it a night.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:54 am
This show I have to say I watch as long as I can stay awake through it find it one hell of a mess, poor old BROTHER OPIE, wife gets killed because she is in his truck instead of him because the CLUB( CLAY) thinks the guy is a rat because the feds are putting money into his bank acc. so as to make him look like a paid imformant, now he finds out what and why his wife wound up shot, but the bad side to this is he fully understands and stays in the CLUB, smartest one is his father who decides to try to walk in and off CLAY. Just goes to show the mentality of some of these guys even if it is just t.v.,makes me wonder how many people in the world really believe this is the way guys would act if in a CLUB, ” OK BRO, I NEVER CHECK MY BANK ACC. AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANTED TO KILL MY ASS, SO I WILL STAY”. Maybe sometime I will be able to stay awake through the whole show one more time.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Okay, I can think of at least three things wrong with this ad.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
RE: Ad
Where I come from, that’s called assisted suicide……
November 23rd, 2009 at 7:30 pm
hope they sell a bunch of these to folks in the Midwest and Florida,and buyers fly these colors as soon as they get ‘em.
November 24th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Dear Sled Tramp
Re: Ad
I guess we could call them Kevorkian Kolors
sorry……………….. just had to…
bob
yep, they could learn the real meaning of GFOD
Respect
DocB
November 24th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
You would be surprised at how many of these seller’s claim to be MC members… I suppose they’re just delusional.
November 25th, 2009 at 6:22 am
We’ve a blue collar ncaa FBS football team up here, Boise State Broncos. If anyone created a 3-piece patch t-shirt or whatever using their logo, blue/orange team colors, et al they’d get sued. Besides, that design would never, ever get licensed.
Perhaps, in the long run, there’ll eventually be more awareness and respect for the motorcycle culture thanks to the fictional m/c portrayed in SOA.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:05 pm
I saw several guys wearing green color schemes tonight in the scene with the row of parked Mayans near the end. I dunno if they were real Vagos, but I think real Vagos would be rather unhappy that actor bikers were trying to resemble them.
YYZ Skinhead
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:20 am
YYZ Skinhead,
Went over to a brother’s house to drop off a seat and caught him and his old lady watching the finale on Tevo.Well, hell… I got a free beer out of it to sit down and quit my bitchin’….
That Sutter guy is a twisted son of a bitch.
Anyways…I was damn near spewing suds watching S.O.A. rigged to green light the cigar guy waiting in their cuts outside a 7/11 with a dozen witnesses in a fuckin’ SCHOOLBUS standing there..
I mean…..WTF?
Tricky bitch that ATF chick though…I kinda like the way she played that switch thing.
I’m not sure who was who but I’m glad those mean ol’ bikers could sit on mainstreet with weapons ready to war while the Sheriff’s stood there.Nobody spread eagled with a boot on their head,No checks and lies on VIN #’s,No concealed weapons and automatic arrests,T.V. violence is so..so…dernright PATIENT.. it must be nice.Someday I’ll have to try that.Sutter lives in a really swell world down there in Hollyweird.The ONLY part I dug was the library scene.It’s nice though to know that all clubs,colors,cops,would be hit teams and international terrorists can all get chummy in small town Amerika.Gosh,kinda gives me a warm fuzzy feeling……
Somebody up my meds…..
sled tramp
December 5th, 2009 at 7:25 am
I have got problems with viewing your blog properly in the newest version of Opera. It looks ok in IE6 and Firefox however.Hope you have a really great day.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Dear Billie A. Sanford,
I am sorry about that. I did not know anybody actually used Opera. I had it on my box for a while to check compatibility but then I got rid of it. I use Firefox as a browser. I think most readers here use Explorer. Explorer is problematic for me because I write in Word, and Explorer is incompatible with Word in this shell. So I can’t just cut and paste. I have to strip all the Word code out of every upload and then partially re-transcribe every single post. I hate Microsoft. But as far as I can tell, the site is pretty viewable in both Explorer and Firefox.
Why not give Firefox a try? It’s free.
your pal,
Rebel
Please
December 7th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
i thankk’s my God. Allah, Zeke,any Fool. who ever, that i love my cycle and my woman more than some t.v. show, i praise the worn out tires that got me this far, you too may have a tastes for Harley. but flesh and blood is a cure, and when it becomes nuts and bolts, the t.v. shows, are a way to kill the curse of mount whitey, the hatred has allways been directed towards Zombie polititions, people are a price tag, not worthy of the effort
December 7th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
colors? its a state of survival, a global understading, polititans and governments are the root of all that is Evil, freedom? is only truth, and laws are made to protect the overly hypocrate scum that can afford to hide behind it, money gets in the way,,,,,,,,,,, the only thing i like a bout sam crow is death to MOUNT WHITEY, the scourge of man kind, to hell with those nazi fucks and all those who follow, life is sweat, blood and hard enough with out,those fools getting in the way, fuck your stereotypes, they hand us a reason to hate, and the pigs, fbi. cia purposly create hate, pit us against each other, as Dick Cheney may say; “every thing is going as planned” hate is their oil
December 7th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
colors? its a state of survival, a global understading, polititans and governments are the root of all that is Evil, freedom? is only truth, and laws are made to protect the overly hypocrate scum that can afford to hide behind it, money gets in the way,,,,,,,,,,, the only thing i like a bout sam crow is death to MOUNT WHITEY, the scourge of man kind, to hell with those nazi fucks and all those who follow, life is sweat, blood and hard enough with out,those fools getting in the way, fuck your stereotypes, they hand us a reason to hate, and the pigs, fbi. cia purposly create hate, pit us against each other, as Dick Cheney may say; “every thing is going as planned” hate is their oil
December 8th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
fugg a new harley, its not worth the effort to catch up, to strip it down and redress that new bike when it lost its soul, more V.A. vets are coming home, and the politicians want more, our children get hungry, were is my daddy? the corporate whores stole him, the rich make them fullfill their dirty little wars, the squeeky clean war mongers that profit off our children, they steal the family effort, greed is nothing new, lies are the easiest to dijest, the truth is dangerous,
December 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Hi ya´ll:
Just to put a little bit of some BS I came across sometime ago,I dunno if u have seen this,but it was hilarious to me.
Rebel,keep up the good work,I´m an international fan of your site.
Respect to all,
Alex.
Outside the US 4 now,unfortunately.
http://sonsofanarchypa.com/Welcome.html
December 10th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Oops,my bad,I have not finished up reading the thread and I anticipate,somebody posted that bogus crap before.
My bad,
A.
December 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
hey skinhead..it looked like vagos, because the guys playing mayans are really vagos.in the show, if ya look real close,you will see very clearly that the mayan club sports the main color of “green” , its just quite a bit darker green than the vagos patch …..when they get off work, and onto thier scooters with the patches they earned…they go where ever, and do whatever a real motorcycle club does….of which i cant tell you, but if you really want to know, just walk up to one of these people, and tell them youre a fan of MCs, and you really want to know what they do after they get off work…..good luck…..and blow bubbles
December 12th, 2009 at 6:07 am
Oh, no…not this bubble-blowing troll again…
YYZ Skinhead
December 14th, 2009 at 1:07 am
come on down under the bridge snapperhead, and we will see how the brand likes to lick my dirty troll nuts, you dumb fuck…read the words again shit for brains, and you will see how my words leave the reader “re: blowing the bubbles” ok if the company that made Prince Albert tobbacco went back into business, and they started a new line that also produces nuts in the same tin cans, you could buy them and open the can take out Prince Albert, and eat his nuts too……blow me
December 14th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Dear Bubbles,
I am absolutely certain that you were not referring to THE BRAND. Right? All due respect.
Rebel
December 15th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
all due respect back at you rebel, the brand i was refering to was his “YYK skinhead”….i know several who sport the clover leaf..was just trying to point out to him/her how simple the concept is, and that my posts always refer to the reader being the one who “blows bubbles”, not the other way around. Therefore he/she couldnt possibly be a member of “THE BRAND”, being so fucking stupid. Furthermore, i refrained from posting for so long because my words were overlooked, or just plain old taken out of context.If anybody took the time to go back and see my words, they would see how right they were. even between the lines.
December 15th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Dear Bubbles,
Post away.
Rebel
December 16th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Dear Bubbles,
January 20th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
WELL I DONT FEEL LIKE READING ALL THAT CRAP, GRABBED A FEW LINES HERE AND THERE, BUT I WILL SAY THIS IF I DONT HAVE MY SONS ON MY SIDE, WHY ELSE RIDE? NOT SONS OF A FUCKERS, I MEAN THE REAL DEAL. LOVE U GUYS DONT CARE WHAT THE FUCK ANYONE SAYS AND BTW BENJAMIN, DID I GET U WRONG OR WOULD YOU WANNA MEET A CARTOON CHARACTER IN AN ALLEY AND INSLULT HIM? BE MY GUEST BUDDY, IVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS………….. GROW THIRD EYE BABY
March 3rd, 2010 at 2:58 pm
It amazes me to read these posts. Clearly, very few here have any idea about what is going on in this world.
First, I will tell you all that Kurt Sutter and Charlie Hunnan are on good terms with people in many of the clubs which you are mentioning here. They even attend events put on by some members of those clubs. No, they don’t show up with motorcycles emblazoned with the SOA stuff or wear SOA patches. They just come as themselves. They know what time it is.
Second, I will tell you that there are many brothers, from the clubs you are mentioning here, who have gotten jobs as background actors for this series. The person who they use for a MC consultant is a member of a very large outlaw motorcycle club, the name of which has been mentioned here.
Third, the colors of the fantasy patches used in the series have no relationship to any club. There are background actors wearing all color of patches to do their parts in the series. Nobody is taking this personally, because it is just fantasy and everyone with a lick of common sense knows that.
Fourth, the people who are making this series do not condone anyone using these copyrighted images for their own use or profit. If you will visit their website, you will see that they sell tee shirts and such with the basic image of the SOA, but do not sell anything with a territorial rocker or MC cube on it. That stuff is all bootlegged illegal clothing.
Lastly, the idiot that gangland got for their series is someone who is making things up. The lies he is telling are the result of a fertile imagination in the mind of a pathological liar. Plain and simple, the things he says never happened. Sadly, the people who make “Gangland” are so hard up for material that they listen to the drivel of the cops and latch onto liars such as him. Simply put, having him tell these tall tales helps to sell Wheaties.
Those clowns who are making these illegal imaged tee shirts and such are selling them to people who haven’t a clue. Hopefully, they will get one before venturing out in public wearing that crap. But, for the rest of you who should know better, . . don’t be hanging this shit on the people who are making this motorcycle soap opera. They know it isn’t real, don’t you think you should grow a couple brain cells and see that yourself?
March 3rd, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Dear Fish,
How you doing? All due respect. No offense intended. You know I can see you right? I can’t tell if it is a Blackberry or an iPhone but I can sort of see you. Freaks out the ATF when I do that shit.
I apologize for some of those terrible things I said. I have demons.
Thanks for reading. Thanks for commenting.
your pal,
Rebel
March 3rd, 2010 at 4:34 pm
LOL. I think I have a pretty good idea of who Fish is then.
And his show still sucks.
PS: Thanks for the Case Citation on the Dobyns affair, Rebel.
Your friend in Dixie.
-BigV
March 3rd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Fish and BigV,
I doubt either of you know Fish personally or could even pick him out in a crowd. I do; however, know Fish. He speaks the truth and has intimate knowledge of the subject matter of which he writes. He thinks more of the readers than most to insult them with his own ignorant opinions; therefore, he will post when he feels like his knowledge on the subject is vast and he feels that some people are making judgments without looking at the subject matter from all viewpoints or without accurate facts.
So before you go making comments about some fantasy / non-reality / show that happens to appeal to a demographic that is close to that which makes up the majority of those involved in motorcycle clubs or just plain die hard enthusiasts and blaming him for your lack of interest in the show, you might want to see how physicians respond to shows like Scrubs, House, or ER… People that watch TV love drama and hype, they want the extreme cases, so SOA hypes up stuff that is true in the fantasy town of Charming. Who gives a rip? If you are in an MC you know the drill and you know what the reality of such an organization brings to you and yours. If you are not in the MC life and you feel that is misrepresents club life, you are somewhat accurate in your decision. If this feeling causes you to hate the show then that is fine too. If you are in a club and you watch and enjoy SOA, then that is cool too – I am one that is of this distinction. Again, I know that it is “Hollywood” and it is a drama… it is not “Reality” programming.
I concur, with Fish, that Mr. Sutter attends many big club events and that from what I have seen he does not flaunt SOA garb, neither does his wife Katey Sagal sport any support gear when they attend these events. I have met several members of the cast, personally know many of the extras, and they have never ever made themselves out to be anything more than actors trying to make a living.
So, to those of you that hate the show or love the show – that is fine. It is your opinion and I respect it. To those of you that believe wearing some shirt or vest with some sort of SOA patchwork or screen print on it will get you some instant respect as a “biker”, well you are mistaken (at least from the many that I know). To those of you that bought the shirt and really don’t give two sh!ts about what I or anyone else thinks of you when you wear it proudly – well again, that is great – I really don’t care what you think of my choice of clothing either. Nonetheless, not a single comment or emotion that one might have toward the “TELEVISION SHOW” SOA is meaningful enough to lash out on those that are on either side (love or hate) of the show; nor, is it worth making assumptions as to who the poster is or his lack or wealth of experience pertaining to this subject. To someone with an open mind and a bit of intelligence, comments that bash the producer, writer, actors, and television watchers associated with SOA seem to be driven by jealousy or fear. Again, if you do not like the show, do not watch it – do not worry that John Q. Public is going to watch it and truly believe that he is watching “Reality TV” – and so what if he does? If you think that public opinion can be changed by a fictional TV show why don’t you, assuming you are, what you might define as a, “Real Biker” go out and perform some series of actions that will provide the public with real life examples of how “Real Bikers” act. Also, if you spend time bashing the show, do you not think that it will at least spark someone’s interest to at least watch an episode to think for themselves? I could rave on about this for many more paragraphs, but I will not bore you.
If you have read this far, thanks and I believe you probably understand what it is that I am implying but in case it isn’t clear: Who really cares about the SOA, people that do or do not like the show, the profit made on show merchandise, or the people that buy / wear the merchandise? Just because I go buy a MLB jersey of my favorite team and put my name and number on the back, should I expect to be treated like a MLB player or should I expect an MLB player or someone with knowledge of the work it takes to play in the league to strip me of my shirt… It is the same idea… people buy SOA gear because they are fans of the show… who gives a crap… not a fan don’t buy SOA gear, see someone wearing SOA gear assume they are a fan of show, if you do not want something from said person and you do not know them – ignore the person – move on!
As members of the motorcycle community we should spend more time fighting those that legislate against us and how we represent ourselves in the real world than worrying about a TV show or fans of such a show.
Just think about it… and if you want to flame… flame on, but remember, you do not know me, but I might just know you.
Signed,
A very knowledgeable reader… aka skinz
March 4th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
I live in Canada. I don’t have cable. I never saw this show.
I enjoyed something the CBC produced. 2 TV mini-series themed “The Last Chapter”. Everyone in it died a horrible death after the equivalent of 1 TV season. I liked that.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:31 am
Thanks Skinz. I appreciate your response. Personally, I don’t watch the SOA soap operas. I get enough of the real thing and haven’t any interest in watching caricatures of the lifestyle.
However, I will concede that, as someone pointed out, it is possible these type of shows could taint a really “lame” juror,s opinion in a trial. A prime example of that is the Wikipedia articles about 1% and outlaw clubs. Anyone who reads them can plainly see that they are written by the feds and have a decided negative outlook on clubs. It doesn’t take any leap of the imagination to realize that there is probably a detail of feds someplace whose full time job it is to write these negative articles about Motorcycle Clubs, with the intent of tainting the minds of D.A.s, Judges, Jurors, and the public at large against us. They use direct quotes from the Wikipedia articles as well as quotes from cop books written by guys like Billy Queen, and others, . . plus stuff like the book that was written by that out bad Red and Gold snitch. Should we shut down the internet because of that? I say no. And, like you said, the people who are actors and directors for the SOA series are just trying to make a living and they are trying to walk a fine line between hyping up the drama and keeping it business, and not personal.
To show how they have taken to our world, I will relate something to the people reading this. Now, I wasn’t there, but I’ve been told by a reliable source that when the SOA people recently attended a grand opening of a Motorcycle shop, that Charlie Hunnan (who just started riding a little over a year ago) popped a hell of a wheelie coming down the street to the event. Also, I know that Katy Segal is pretty hip to the motorcycle club world and has been for a long time.
Myself, I prefer to think lowly of the people who are parading around in all that unauthorized tee shirts and stuff while at the same time giving the actors a break because they are just making a buck practicing their craft. They are trying to put a little entertainment into some people’s lives.
Again thanks Skinz, I’ll see you down the road.
Respects, Fish
March 5th, 2010 at 8:50 am
knowledgeable reader
Sounds like you’re a little bit smarter than the rest of us. Thanks for all the input.
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but I will not bore you.
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but ya already did
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but remember, you do not know me, but I might just know you.
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please don’t hurt me
Scared to sign my name
March 5th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Whoa Dudes!
S.O.A is fictional biker show!
Talk about cutting one’s nose to spite the face?
Just when there a concerted effort to wipe clean the so called 1% Biker, in which entails all those who grouped together as the “Last Evil” to corralled by a THUG law community…chill! If there is a fan flying a S.O.A/Mayan shirt….let it be! They’re just having fun!
Remember when riding was all about getting on the road?
After seeing Easy Rider when the world was young, I couldn’t wait to buy my own and experience the same thing!
Don’t knock down their MoJo! Let them ride for whatever reason that fits them.
JMO
March 5th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Dear DocB,
Shhhh. I am not positive but I am pretty sure that Fish and Skinz are the same guy with multiple personality disorder. Don’t let them know I know, okay.
(Imagine me in a small, dark, hiding place, illuminated only by a failing flashlight shaking nervously in my trembling hand as I write these, possibly, my last words.)
Fish has already threatened to hurt me if I don’t start censoring what I say about Sons of Anarchy, the greatest television show in the history of biker television shows because it is so realistic and insightful and both the Vagos and the Hells Angels are really impressed with it and they are going to find me and hurt me if I say something disrespectful about this important, ground breaking, historic piece of Hollywood product. (Fish also sent me a photograph to prove this but I am supposed to keep the photo secret. It is a secret photo.)
The Aging Rebel, bringing motorcycle clubs together through mutual hatred of me!
I hope Fish doesn’t see this or I will be in some very deep shit. Trust me, I have been told, I don’t want to mess with Fish. (And, or Skinz.)
Rebel
PS: Does anybody know about a “South Side” Vagos chapter in Rancho Cucamonga? Apparently, I better stay out of Rancho Cucamonga. Shame too, Sometimes I like to ride out there and catch a Quakes game. You can get a seat right behind home plate for like, eight bucks. Gonna miss that this year. Oh fuck it. Look, if you hear about some guy who got stabbed and stomped to death at a minor league baseball game and I don’t write anything new for like three weeks? That corpse at the ball game will be me.
Sayonara
March 5th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Dear Rebel:
Yeah, I’m not going out after dark either. Wouldn’t want to get assaulted by some Drug dealing, murdering, gun running, sociopathic rapist of a movie producer’s assistant.
I really don’t have a problem how anybody makes their money selling whatever to anybody that will buy it on any street corner or any TV channel. Everybody’s got his own hustle.
Back in the day when they made a lot of stupid unrealistic movies about bikers, we called them Biker Exploitation Flix. This is just a modern TV version of the same thing. Who gives a fuck………… really?
No disrespect meant to any biker in any real club
Doc
PS: If Rebel ain’t scared, I ain’t scared
March 5th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Follow Kurt Sutter’s Twitter account or his blog, he’s got a really scary picture of himself. Keeps me awake a night. Not one comment without fuck this, fuck that, fuck Springsteen, fuck the head of NBC. He lost an editor to another show and called the guy a cunt.
I’ve seen this “story arc” before. Middle aged, mid career guy thinks he’s a biker and starts acting like one when he isn’t and will never be one. Dozens of guys that started custom bike company’s went through this, all ends the same ugly, broken way. You can’t be half pregnant with this stuff and if your not part of the culture its gasoline and matches. It’s keeping a pet chimp or thinking you can train a whale to behave a certain way. I have no doubt he attends events with “real” bikers. I have no doubt they treat him with respect….for now.
If Mr. Sutter keeps up this instant badass act much longer he’s going to get his just desserts. Mark my words.
I’ve questioned him very nicely on Twitter and his blog on several occasions and all I get back is a fuck you.
Seems to me the show writers have nothing to do in the off season so they’ve taken to posting on this blog with creative names. Why don’t you guys focus your energies on the show? It started out strong but is rapidly becoming a cartoon.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Knowledgable reader, or Skinz, or whatever his name is said:
“you might want to see how physicians respond to shows like Scrubs, House, or ER”
Good point, however, George Clooney or the writers of any of those shows don’t hang out with medical doctors or go to symposia and describe the latest and greatest innovation in procedures or devices, do they? They understand they are not doctors. Sutter and company are compelled to act like these badasses, are part of the culture and most importantly, are the go-to “experts” in the culture. Anyone questions their perspectives (e.g. bikers wearing sneakers) get’s an earful of how they have the right/real/correct/whatever answer.
It’s fraudulent, inauthentic, phony, bullshit.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Heavens to Megatroid, Snagglepuss.
I guess I better watch my step.
If I was that concerned about my identity I wouldn’t have sent Rebel an email from my personal account with my real name. Give me a fuckin’ break.
PS too: If Rebel and DocB ain’t scared, I ain’t skeered either.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Dear Mikonos:
A kid took his pet bear to school for show and tell. Stood on a chair beside the bear, petted it on the head to show all the kids what a bad ass he was. The bear growled ’cause it was hungry. The kid didn’t feed the bear. The bear bit the kid’s head off.
Power by association. Reality check. death of a boy.
doc
March 5th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Dear Fish/knowledgeablewhoever/skinz/whateverothernameyou’regonnahidebehind:
Thanks for telling me I can have my own opinion while telling me not to have my own opinion.
While I can still have my own opinion, I think I will. My opinion is that the show is garbage of the lowest order and it does a tremendous disservice to those it claims to respectfully represent.
It is nothing more than low grade, poorly written, cartoonish exploitation fare that takes itself far too seriously.
PS: Thank you to DocB and Mikonos for allowing me to coopt their fine ideas, hell I did it so well I could probably write for Sons of Bullshit…
March 5th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
I believe I read somewhere that Sutter has a phobia of dolls and won’t allow them in his house. Obviously..a badass of worldly porportions.I do know i’ve read he only recently became a owner of a bike and is trying -with some difficulty-to learn how to ride.We have all run into posers at parties or on the street.Kurt Sutter’s just a poser with money and the temporary power that comes form being a producer.
I’ve always been a little apprehensive about belaboring the “It’s not reality, it’s just bullshit” thing.It is after all, TV.
March 5th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Mikonos,
Actually,while I frequently hear in these postings negative comments on sneakers,and I sure as hell wouldn’t ride with them,I want to mention that in fact, it’s very common -among 81 at least- to see HA riding with tennis shoes.I see that everytime I go back home.As to other clubs,I have no idea.
March 5th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
I threw away a pair of old boots before we came out to Canada last year. Bought just before I left working at a safari park in 1991/92, they had steel toes and shank, and were mostly ripped to shit.
Riding in sneakers? I’d have no feet left and would have gone through about fifty pairs!
Jabba
SYLO
PS. Fish, Skinz – you write like screenwriters, were you paid for that shit above? If so, Sutter deserves his money back. No wonder Sons of Anasshole is such bollocks.
PPS. Guess who else aint scared.
March 5th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Sled Tramp, that is exactly my point. It’s not right or wrong to wear sneaks yet the SOA guys had a strong point of view on it being the “in” way to ride. All the bikes on the show are Dynas with the tiny fairings on them. It ain’t Hollywood, it ain’t a fashion show or what’s in or out. Most bikers ride what they want and wear what they want (ok, the HD brand on the bike is a common exception). Customs, rubber mounts, baggers, fairing, no fairing, whatever. It’s not about rules, that’s my experience. And I don’t know nearly as much about the topic as most of the guys here. It just grates on me that these guys pass themselves off as biker experts and basically tell everyone to fuck off 24/7 that has a different opinion. And they Twitter about how they made some VTwin tech drive 7 hours to adjust their clutch. You can work on the things with a flathead and a hammer for crying out loud.
March 5th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Mikonos:
If ya cain’t fix it with a hammer and screwdriver it must be a elektrik problum.
March 5th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Sled Tramp wrote:
“I believe I read somewhere that Sutter has a phobia of dolls and won’t allow them in his house.”
Sutter has a phobia of dolls because his image consultant told him that would enhance his brand scoring. This guy knows the nums, he has a whole section on his blog about how Nielsen has “fucked” SOA because they don’t track viewing behaviours properly. Hey Kurt, if your listening I got an advanced degree in marketing analysis and statistics. I’ve Twittered with you, therefore, you are now a statistics expert in addition to a biker culture expert.
Billy Bob Thornton has a phobia of large antique furniture, this is common knowledge in Hollywood. Billy Bob is also an extremely talented artist (my opinion) although his singing and band I’m not a fan of. He expresses his art, he does not worry about his image. Watch the movie Sling Blade, not a guy that cares what people think of him. Kurt wants this little slice of charisma as part of his brand.
My guess is Sutter added this dimension to his mixture of bravado, biker, his scary twitter picture, his complete inability to not use the word “fuck” in constructing a sentence, unless of course he is hiding under an alias on this website, whatever else to create the image. His goals in life include number of Twitter and blog followers. BTW, he has about 7,000. where most Hollywood types have 1,000,000.+ so he has a long way to go between the self image and the reality
DocB, great analogy, I hope the bear bites off Kurt “fucking” Sutter’s head not if, but when, he has his first real world biker experience.
Him and Dobyns are cut from the same cloth; frauds, phonies, fakes.
Anybody up for a SOASucks website?
March 6th, 2010 at 8:21 am
OK…let’s age up! I tired of this shit about respect, fashion police and just gay behavior!
Don’t know if most of you are just Flame Freaks or the Wanna B’s?
Really don’t care if you ware pink tennis shoes when riding…just ride..period!
Yes, I ride with tennis shoes! They’re a pair of bad ass Jet Black Dickies!
Who wants to ware Boots when cruz’n around So. Calif. beaches?
But, that’s ok…continue this “Gay” thread how SOA is killing the real 1%’s respect among the million plus bike riders out there?
What a bunch of PEREZ HILTON HOLE-TOE’S!
March 6th, 2010 at 9:36 am
OnTheRoad,
Ooohhhh……you make just…so….CROSS!
FYI, Right this minute,this VERY MINUTE! I’m going to slap om my TEVAS and storm out to my bike and grab my apehangers in a FRENZY over your words! And that isn’t covered in the Vespa warranty either so I must be really, really , MAD. Listen you THAVAGE! Black tennies after Labor Day? ARE YOP INSANE???
BITCH!
March 6th, 2010 at 9:48 am
LMFAO… can hardly see to type.
March 6th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Dear Mikonos,
I have a phobia of tiny men in polo shirts and blue ATF windbreakers. Also, sometimes I start to shake just thinking about teenage, female, Asian drivers texting on the 405 freeway. Also, discussions of numbers give me the creeps. Old Kurt actually has decent numbers. Mine? Not so much.
Rebel
March 6th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Dear Jabba,
I know right? I mean…black tennies are soooooo YESTERDAY!
RESPECT,
Your Pal
sled tramp
March 6th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Dear Rebel,
I find that if I pour scalding water in my eyes,drink heavily and leave the night light on,the little gnomes go away. Perhaps you might try that for your tiny men in polo shirts problem.BTW,I think one of them is named “OnTheRoad”.He’s easy to pick out, he’s the one with no fashion sense.
RESPECT,
sled tramp
March 6th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Dear Rebel,
I’ll work on the numbers thing. Engineer by training, bit of a handicap. Excuse the number of recent posts, changing jobs and have some anger issues.
By the way, in the event you end up in Rancho and Skinz is holding you down while Fish is pulling out your fingernails, please, please don’t give up my identity.
I’m so afraid…
Mikonos
March 6th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
My sneakers have velcro instead of laces, cant ever figure that whole”…rabbit runs around the tree…” concept
Bud
March 6th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
My sneakers smell bad
March 6th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
You jokers are really a bunch of kiss ass RUBS. You think this Rebel guy is somebody, . . well, you are wrong. He has this make believe web site and likes to write shit like he knows what is happening in the outlaw world, but the truth is, he doesn’t know shit from shinola about what is happening. The guy hides under a rock and posts this shit. His biggest fear is somebody will find him and he will have to make himself accountable for his words. He is just another worm who lives under a rock afraid of the light of day. I never threatened this dude. I simply sent him an email to help him get his foot out of his mouth and quit making an ass out of himself with his constant rants about a few actors in Hollywood. It was done to help the guy, but he chose to start talking shit. I guess he can’t stand up to anyone else, so he just stands in front of the television and tells the actors in the soap opera called SOA how they should run things.
Well, the man hasn’t a lick of sense because instead of looking at the evidence I sent him, he decided to come back here and start talking shit about me. Then, he began talking shit about Skinz. I guess many of you people don’t have much contact with the outlaw world in Southern California, because about everyone in the outlaw world knows Skinz. They might not know me, but they do know him. The funny thing is that I have been calling guys in different outlaw clubs trying to find out who this Rebel guy is and nobody knows him. From this point of view, I am afraid those of you with straw stuffed between your ears who follow the Wizard, you are going to feel real bad if you ever find out who is behind the wall. Rebel is just another Wizard of Oz who talks shit while he hides. He is the worse kind of wannabe. If he wants to see if I am real, I don’t live very far from him and we can meet. I never threatened to do the things he claims. If he wants to feel safe we can meet in the middle of a busy intersection, I really don’t care. What I care about is that if he has things to say about me or my club that he say them to my face like a man.
Now, if any of you think I am not real or am joined at the hip with Skinz, I invite you to send me an email and I will arrange to meet you so you can see me for your self. I’ll guarantee your safety. Too many people are followers. That is the one big difference between the outlaw world and the rest of the world. Outlaws are not followers. They got where they are because they acted like men and didn’t spend their time talking out the side of their necks. I am not hiding behind my computer. v22forever@yahoo.com Ask for Fish, because I am the only one there. If you are a cop, then go fuck yourself. Speaking of which, I was discussing this with some brothers today and a few of them advanced the theory that good old Rebel might be a cop and this website is really run by cops to pick up intelligence. Whether this is true or not, I don’t know, because he keeps dodging any attempts for me to talk to him face to face.
One other thing, When you are outlaw, you are at the top of the food chain. We don’t follow fashions, we wear what we want. A lot of guys like to wear tennis shoes in the last couple years. So what. Do you think we are worried about the RUB fashion police? Lets face it, most of you are laying awake at night trying to figure out what the RUB costume of the day is. You bicker like old ladies if somebody wears the wrong color dress. This is all based upon your current interpretation of what you think the outlaws are doing. Big news for you, outlaws do what the fuck they want and could give a fuck if somebody doesn’t like it. We don’t follow the trends, we make the trends.
Well, my cards are on the table and I am calling on this hand.
Respects, Fish
March 6th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
C’mon, this has GOT to lead into a range of Aging Rebel “fashion apparrel”.
Sneakers, hats, t-shirts, g-strings, bra and panty sets – Rebel, just where would you like your face to appear in the pants of your legions of female fans?
We could have T-Dogg on a pair of boxers… “Kiss my Ass ATF!” Or “Dobyns really is a cocksucker!”
Can I get a percentage? Or do you think this might one day constitute racketeering?
Jabba
SYLO
March 6th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Fish,
A)I have nothing against anybody.
B)What you wear to cover your toes..I couldn’t care less.
C) I think I know who skinz is and yeah….Got me there.
D) I spent a very pleasant afternoon with friends in a major club.We did not discuss footwear or S.O.A. Seemed like bikes,times and parties were topics of interest.Funny how that turned out huh?
E) LMFAO…I ain’t no RUB amigo…..that’s funny…
F) Stick it out.I think you could grow on us a bit.
just a sled tramp
March 6th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Er, still fuckin’ laughing, being a Brit’ in Canada… sorry Sled… was that “tight-ass Brit’” or something? No, I don’t know shit about Southern California and “RUB”?
Rich? Fuck me. Old lady and I are still trying to figure how we’re going to keep a cage and a bike on the road, feed three kids & us, and pay the bills on the $150 we’ve got left for March. I’m considering becoming a life coach. I hear any dim cunt can make money at that. If so, I’m the man.
Urban? Holy shit. It’s dark now, but in the morning all I can see are trees, a fozen lake, snow, deer, squirrels, snow, trees, more fuckin’ snow and trees…
Biker? OK, shit, you got me.
I’m a “B”.
Been called worse though, usually an “Old Fat B”
LL&R
Jabba
SYLO
March 6th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Jabba,
I was walkin’ down the street the other day kickin’ a can. Guy asked me what I was doing…”Movin”….
sled
March 6th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Shit Sled, you got a CAN?
This reminds me of an old Monty Python sketch… when I was a boy, we were so poor, my old dad used to come home with an extra-strong mint. He’d stick it in his mouth and start sucking, then we’d all gather round to warm our hands on his breath.
LL&R
Jabba
SYLO
March 6th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Sled Tramp, if you will notice, other than discussing Rebel, I did no address my post to anyone in particular. I see some posts on here that are probably from people who know what time it is. My message was so that everyone could look inside themselves and decide what they are. If you are happy with yourself then you are secure and needn’t worry about it.
As far as sticking around awhile, I will do that for a bit, but I will let you in on a little secret. About ten years ago I started a message board forum. In the last year, I decided to retire and let the moderators pick a new head of that forum and they did. I stepped aside and he owns the place now. Sometimes if I want something, they grant me my wish, but they all know they are under no constraint to comply. I am simply a figure head there as the founder. With the time I have for the internet, I spend most of it there.
At times I venture out on the web and try to pick up the news of what is happening in the broader world. I visit places like (outlaw world) http://www.bikernews.net (whitetrash networks) http://www.bikernews.org some of the overseas outlaw sites like (Australian biker news) http://www.ozbiker.org But for the most part, my club and my time on my own forum takes up almost my time, so it is unlikely I will be a long time fixture here. I suspect all the posts by people who belong to my world that I read here are the same folks I would encounter in other places.
I originally came here looking for confirmation on what was happening with Doc Cavazos out at the correctional facility. I know all the arguments about him and am not going to engage in that. My good friend Hauss was a Mongol who was busted in that raid. He was sick in jail and the cops wouldn’t tend to his medical condition which resulted in his death in there. Hauss was about as stand up guy as you could get. Besides my general dislike of cops, I blame them doubly for what they did to him. He lived Mongol and died Mongol, you can’t get any straighter than that. There are people in this world whose acts transcend their respective clubs. They are bigger than life and he was one of those. I put aside club politics when I think about these guys. They earned their bones. If you want to see the giants, you have to get above the politics. A good soldier will stand his ground for his club, and that is some times a shame if there are people across the isle who you admire. Barger is one of those guys and there are lots of other guys in other clubs who rate that. When there is friction it gets hashed out by the giants and if they can’t make a meeting of the minds, the soldiers suit up. It is just business, and it isn’t personal. We all know that once that particular issue is settled, we will be learning to live with one another the next day. In the end, we are outlaws and our only real enemy is the cops and feds.
I am here as my own man. I do not speak for my club and that is the furthest thing from my mind. It is just that when I see someone talking shit about the most precious thing in my life, then I have to take a stand. You can say what you want about me, just leave my club out of it. I don’t speak for the Red and White, but I suspect they aren’t too happy when they see their name being drug through the mud either. Ultimately, that was my fault for casting pearls before a swine called Rebel. My apologies to them for that.
Respects, Fish
March 6th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Dear Fish,
If the curtain came back and Rebel was a 80 year old woman I may be surprised but it wouldn’t change one bit what I get out of this site. He is clearly very well informed on a variety of topics relevant to the “outlaw” biker world whether or not he is one.
This is a well run and moderated site with some great topics, posters and differences of opinion are welcomed.
I *think* I started this whole sneaker thing in my post above. The point was that the SOA guys were the ones playing the fashion cops. The end of your post is exactly correct. That is my experience as well.
I’m not an outlaw biker, but I founded and ran a custom bike business for several years. Had plenty of interactions with bikers and clubs. The big surprise to me was how decent and respectful most of them were. Had my run ins and issues on occasion, and scared when I owed money in a couple of spots. All worked out.
So my “issue” with SOA and Kurt Sutter in particular is how simple he makes it all look. He doesn’t have the depths of relationships or experience to be able to make a show on it. That in itself is not a problem. But rather than acting like a mature adult and individual that learns over time he dresses up like a biker, gets a bike (that he can’t work on) and starts behaving like a “biker” (quotes because it is not what a biker is, it is his very simplified imaginary interpretation) on his blog, twitter and facebook. Fuck this and that, fuck you, he’s going to run for Governer of California and get things done. So he has taken this shallow definition of what he interprets as a biker (which is really what the general public thinks is a biker) and perpetuates it. No insight, no texture, not depth.
So I look at this in contrast to my experiences and say it’s a misrepresentation. Meanwhile he blogs about his contract and how great it is, and how he has a nice house and cars and such while the rest of the world struggles. I lost my fucking job last week so I’m a little edgy, and maybe jealous (my bike endeavors cost me my life savings) but my opinion is he’s using the MC world, does nobody see this? Look at all the topics Rebel covers on the site. He’s trying to help the MC world…ATF, Rico, bad lawyers, bad judges, the system, whatever.
Sutter’s blog is all about Sutter. Or his wife, or whatever. He could give a rats ass about the MC world beyond what it can do for him. Why doesn’t he take an interest in the topics on this site? Why doesn’t he step up and give back? And going on a toy run don’t count. So a couple of years from now, when his next show (Three Men and a Sheep) comes around he will become the go-to expert on, well you can figure that one out.
Did David Chase (head writer of Sopranos) dress up like John Gotti and hang out with the wise guys in New York? Not only that, did he suddenly become one and become the go-to expert?
The dissapointment to me was the show started out (my opinion) strong, the whole tension around good and bad, good characters, actually some pretty good acting as well but it has steadily declined into the absurd. I think the acting is actually pretty damn good, its just the situations and nonsense that comes out of their mouths that grates.
Lastly, look at this blog, Rebel posted your last post. Sutter posts some of mine but most he doesn’t.
Mikonos
March 6th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
The guy is from Hollywood, what do you expect? You take a fish out of water and it is still a fish.
While I know a lot of things about this show which I don’t want to divulge here, I will give you this little taste. The head consultant for the show is a member of one of the largest outlaw motorcycle clubs in the world. I figure Sutter gets a lot of information from him and goes to these events and sees certain things (like the tennis shoes) and incorporates them into his show. My guess is that he knows he lives at the end of a short leash. One thing I see and may have been guilty of at one time was a kind of new guy syndrome which we call “patchitis”. You get in the club and are suddenly patch heavy. You think everyone should kiss your ass simply because of the patch you wear. I also have seen thousands who want to get near an outlaw and live vicariously in that shadow hoping that people they know will think they are somebody. Maybe a little of this is going on with Sutter. Who knows and probably nobody cares. He doesn’t wear my patch or theirs. If he gets in a jam, he belongs to nobody and is on his own. We only take care of our own and we only do that after they have been schooled. They think because they know you that somehow it will rub off on them and give them status. I can’t fix their lives and restore their lost self esteem, so I just put all that in file X and forget about it. I am not threatened by a soap opera about bikers, I’ve seen worse and in reality I have bigger fish to fry. One thing I do know is that they employ a lot of my brothers and I thank them for that. In a club, those who get patch heavy and start giving the club a bad name soon get educated, or they get gone. In the end, the patch doesn’t make the man, the man makes the patch. When I run into civilians who are punch drunk with the cops rice wine, I see their fear, because I know they think I am some kind of bad guy. One of my greatest thrills is when the occasional one says to me, “I though you guys were all bad and you have changed my opinion”. It’s all based upon a very simple idea: “We give what we get”. You treat me good, I will treat you better. You treat me bad and I will treat you worse. We leave the decision up to the other guy how it is going to go.
Respects, Fish
March 6th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Fish,
Yeah, we know about the advisor/actor/member thing.Some of us have met D.L.(Gee…small world). You write well.I’d like you to continue to comment, speaking for myself.
Jabba,
I’m up for the G-string panty thing.Problem is,as much as I’d like to think Jennifer Aniston would accidently put her drawers on inside out and I’d have a BIG smile on my face, the reality is that my head would probably get sucked up into a 400 pound lesbian truck driver’s ass crack of doom.
I have to go watch Amerika’s Most Ridiculous now. I like to see what really bad people do.Look…goosebumps…
March 6th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Fish, well put. Seriously.
Mikonos
March 6th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
When my sons were little and would watch something “scary” on TV, I would remind them that TV is fake. I knew they knew this because I am in the business & they have been with me at work.
So, guys, here’s the deal: TV is fake.
Gentlemen, I thank you for the off track humorous look at everything in this thread. I needed a good laugh!
March 6th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
I thank you for your comments on my writing. I have heard it before. Given that I have no musical talents and can barely draw stick people, I have always enjoyed writing. Being a fast typist helps a lot.
But, this is as far as it goes. One doesn’t write books about my world, and my outside interests are limited to just a few other things.
America’s Most Wanted. Adam Walsh originally lost his kid and I can see how that drove him in the beginning, but now he is nothing but a parrot for the cops. My bet is that they feed him crackers during the commercial breaks.
Respects, Fish
March 7th, 2010 at 12:20 am
I spent some time catching up, I haven’t followed this thread in quite some time. Noticed there was some action and low and behold some bored computer bikers want to play know it all and tough guy.
here is fact:
I know Fish. Fish is an idiot. He loves to play online tough guy. He frequents different biker boards and a few years back even tried to start his own. It didn’t take off. He has left threats for other people on the old Vago message board and then got reprimanded from his own club for it. Apparently he hasn’t learned. He has been in several different chapters of his club because no one can get a long with him.
we get it Fish, you know Kurt Sutter. wow we are impressed. your brothers are extras on the set, or in the fancy term you put it “background actors.” wow..you know extras?? you are special. And nice name drop, not only do you know KS but you know his wife?? and you have never seen her wear support gear? I sure wish I knew all these people as well as you did. then I to could troll the internet and tell people what time it really is.. all these “rubs”
Remember all those runs you have trailered your bike to? And you come on here and call people rubs. you know what psychologist would say about that right?
Do us all a favor Fish, and crawl back under whatever rock you where hiding under before you came across this website and take your green tennis shoes with you.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:29 am
Fish,
OK…I would like you to stick around.Comment as you like.This is me and only me asking this and I have my reasons.
We have any number of types here.Clubs usually ask their members to refrain from posting.Some patcholders do anyway.
Many here pretend to either be a or have inner working knowledge of clubs and club members.Others have history ( I have history).It’s stupid to discuss these subjects obviously because what a club or it’s members do is not of our goddamn business.We also have all levels of L.E. here. (Hi guys,how’s biz on your side?).
What attracts me to this flame is Rebel’s attempts to desseminate information germane to our culture as a whole without bias.He doesn’t take sides and frankly,a number of people and groups appear to have used this to their betterment. It be the only game in town as it were.
What I derive from your input so far is you’re a full patch in 81.If you are or aren’t ain’t my point. My concern is that among all the people that visit here, we have a serious shortage of serious people with serious history.No offense to my pals out there.
My gripe has always been that we stand or fall as one.It’s gonna happen one way or another.We can all play our roles and we can all growl at each other but as you know, nobody is immune these days.I don’t want to know about your club.But I WOULD like intelligent input from that point of view occasionally that may help direct a thread of a serious nature.(We actually have those sometimes if I keep out of it).
BTW,I’m from Oakland and I was raised right.
I’m by far not the smart kid around here.My trip as I see it more or less is to find the schoolyard bully and pick on him.I leave the legal and historical comments to the brain trust.
But I care about my culture.I don’t take sides but where it’s going fucking sucks.I ask you to think about the above request,if I’m wrong fine, if not,consider it.What I’d like to see is a site (And I’m ONLY TALKING ABOUT ME HERE) fortified by occasional input by S.O.S.,Vagos,Pagans,H.A.,Mongols,Outlaws,Bandidos etc…And smaller clubs too of course.We have an opportunity to work together within the limits of highly visible cyber space.But good can be accomplished..As I’ve stated before, I don’t mind dying, I just don’t to die dumb and going out as a sacrifice on the alter of ego is dumb.
Fight together or go down alone
Respect
sled tramp
March 7th, 2010 at 12:29 am
Fish-
First- You keep alluding to people being scared of you. are you serious? Your fat, old and have the bloated face of an alcoholic. Just because you are in a club doesn’t make you scary.
Second- You mention that the people on here don’t know anything about the So. Cal club scene? Do you read this site? There are a lot of clubbers that post on here. And a lot are more “in the know than you think”
Third- Stop referring to yourself as an Outlaw. I know who you are, keep that in mind. You go to some parties from time to time. You met Kurt Sutter, and your an internet tough guy. You are no Outlaw.
And last lets stop the hypocrisy can we? “I am not hiding behind my computer. v22forever@yahoo.com” How does this make sense? You aren’t hiding behind a computer so you give us your email address? what are you going to do? forward us a picture and say “don’t be scared?”
March 7th, 2010 at 12:33 am
OK, I must be reaaaaalllly tired.
I know and more importantly, trust Anonymous and I have to go with what he says.I must be wayyyyyy tired to be this far off.I’m gonna take a vacation.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:19 am
A bit disappointed with how this one ended, but many thanks all the same to all who participated. This has been fucking hilarious.
The sun’s shining through the bare, snow-tipped trees, going to throw on my pink Jimmy Choos and slip on out for a ride without my panties…
Second thoughts, maybe not, it’s beautiful out there, but still two below zero… where are my longjohns?
LL&R
Jabba
SYLO
March 7th, 2010 at 9:56 am
hey……….. you got pink Jimmy Choos? I got pink Jimmy Choos too.
They match my plug wires.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:09 am
First off, I would like to apologize to all fellow Rebelers. I did not mean to jack this thread and turn it into a flame on a new poster. For that I am sorry.
I fully agree with my friend Sled Tramp that all should be able to post here, regardless of club affiliation. I like all the different POV everyone offers. We have 1%ers, club guys, non club guys. And everyone has valuable input. So I am sorry for instantly calling out the newbie. And before you get all offended Fish, I mean new to this board, not new to our world.
The reason I got so upset, and posted last night was this. I know Fish, so some of the things he said rubbed me the wrong way. I dislike hippocrates. I hate when people get on here and instantly dis rebel, call everyone RUBs and act like know it alls. It bothers me. NO ONE on here knows it all. We can all benefit from others opinions on here. That is what is great about this site. So when someone jumps on here, disrespects everyone and think he knows everything, and everyone else is wrong, well it offended me.
There is no need to get on here and talk tough. No need to make threats or say things like, “I will see you around” or whatever. It’s immature and stupid. We should all be doing our best to play nice and work together. we are all facing, or soon to be facing the same issues together.
So I ask that my fellow posters forgive me for getting off topic and for letting my anger spill on to this board.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:43 am
Dear Fish,
Please continue to contribute. People seem to be amused by you. You are funny. Funny like a fucking clown.
As for “a swine called Rebel” and all that bullshit. Look, clearly what we have here is a pissing contest. From time to time somebody comes on here and tells me how weak, and uninformed, and stupid and dishonest I am and all that shit. Really, my all time favorite was the Sober Rider who called me “a fabricating yo-yo.” I loved that one. I invite dissent so I have to expect a certain level of abuse. Sometimes I am wrong. People here have a right to tell me when I am wrong or when they think I am wrong. But let me just tell you right now, my dick is bigger than yours. I don’t know you. All due respect to the Vagos and to any of your friends who may read this. Fact number one: The man makes the patch not the other way around. Fact number two: My dick is bigger than yours so stop trying to impress me.
It is cool than you are who you are and you are welcome here but I do not think anybody is any more impressed by you than by anybody else here. Okay? Lots of people who impress me comment here. For real. I feel flattered that the people who read me read me. They impress me. So far you don’t impress me all that much. Okay? So you might want to tone down that part of your shit. Just a little. You may have wandered into the wrong bar.
It is cool that you know Kurt Sutter. Good for you. I wish I knew Kurt Sutter. Maybe he could hook me up with some dollars. But I think that at one point, probably before you joined us, I pointed out that what Kurt Sutter thinks about bikers is a little less important to me than a particular fly that crawled up under my balls and died. In the Sierras. While I was flying past a pack of Green, by the way. All due respect.
As far as Doc goes, I still think he is up at China Lake. My hunch. No proof. I think he might have been double-crossed a little bit by Uncle Sugar and so he is still trying to make the best deal for himself he can. Or at least he is trying to make a decent deal stick. My hunch. Just me reading the tea leaves. I suspect he will be sentenced, in camera, in May. I have also heard April. The 800 pound gorilla in the room is the Ablett case. Almost everything about the Ablett case is sealed. Ablett is one last shot at conspiracy to commit murder in furtherance of a pattern of racketeering. I don’t think it will stick but I do not think the federales are in a big hurry to give it up.
Now be sure to write me back to tell me what a fucked-up job I am doing.
The Swine Called Rebel
March 7th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Dear Jabba,
Aging Rebel Apparel! I love the way you think. We could call the petite clothes Ciccone! The portly clothes would be Kozlowski wear! Do rags for bald guys could be Jay Bird for l’homme!
your pal,
Rebel
March 7th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Anonymous, you are correct about a couple things, which leads me to believe you do know who I am. Yes, I am old and I did used to carry a lot of weight, but physical problems in the last couple years have removed all that weight. Your statement that I have been in “lots” of different charters and that the club “reprimanded” me make me almost positive who you are. I will hold my mud on this issue, but will tell you that the green light is still on for you. Lets tell the the real truth here. I am still a member of the charter I started out in this club with. There was a brief peroid when I made a small attempt to move into a new charter, but that fell through when it became obvious of a few things and got to be like fucking a skunk, . . you do it for about as long as you can stand it. That is all resolved now and I am a welcome member back there. My picture hangs proudly on the wall with all the other guys who started that charter, . . even the lump who was sent down the road.
Please tell me which run I trailered my bike to? The only one I can remember when my bike was on a trailer was a run to Nevada when we were coming out of snow country, . . where we took them off to make the rest of the run after we got pass the snow packed highways. Y
March 7th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
[Sorry, that got entered too early when my fingers hit the wrong key.]
Anyway, Anonymous, you are outing yourself and that isn’t good for a guy with a green light on him to do. There are still a lot of people who want a chunk of your butt.
As far as coming on here and trying to come across as a tough guy, I think these folks are pretty intelligent and can see through that. My guess is that nobody sees me as acting like some kind of tough guy. That I tell it the way I see it, doesn’t make me a tough guy.
Next, I do not know Kurt Sutter. Have never met the man or his wife. I have never been to any party he was at. I don’t remember saying that I did. Is your reading comprehension level that poor, or are you just running sour grapes because of what happened to you. That was your Achilles heel, you would get so wrapped up in resentments that it distorted your vision and thinking. You are a big man physically, but a really little man with a huge inferiority complex. The one thing which is important here is that I could be entirely wrong about who you are? If I am, I apologize. But, just the same I am setting the record straight on some of your comments.
I put my email address up there so that if anyone thinks I am some kind of keyboard commando, I would be happy to meet with them to let them see that I am a real person. This was not done to threaten anyone, but to just be willing to be accountable for who I really am. I am not hiding behind a screen with a user name that nobody can track. I am willing to step into the light of day and be seen. Are you willing to let us know who you are?
As for Rebel. As long as he wants to hide under his rock, I have no choice but to consider his actions a measure of the man.
Finally, with all due respects, I am not a member of the Red and White.
Maybe somebody came to that erroneous conclusion because I mentioned that I think a lot of Sonny Barger. Here is the truth, it is still possible to sit across the isle in congress from someone of an opposite party, yet have respect for the man.
As far as being an “outlaw” well, if anyone has done any reading on that subject at all, they will know that it encompass many things. Do I rob banks, No. Does that not make me an outlaw. No. If those are your definitions, then I suggest you stop watching SOA, because your vision of reality is being blurred by a fantasy soap opera.
Respects, Fish
Respects, Fish
March 7th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
My essay for today…
Something smells like Fish in SAMCRO
I appreciate you taking the time to write me back, and to back track from some of your posts. I really do. I enjoy conversation, and enjoy when two grown men can talk openly. You are in fact WRONG about who I am, I am not KC. However, I do remember that you and KC are very similar, and you used to think a lot of each other. I do not mean to get too psychological on you, so please forgive me, but just like your post about RUBs I feel the same is true about your description of KC “You are a big man physically, but a really little man with a huge inferiority complex.” I read it and it sounds like you are describing yourself. My reading skills are actually better than you may think. Go back and reread your posts. Whether you are under the screen name Skinz or Fish you made those remarks.
The beauty of writing is you cannot say “I did not say that” when it is here for all to see. I may be mistaken, you and Skinz may not be one in the same, but it sure looks like it from here. To be honest it would go with your personality. Make up someone to agree with you, to validate your opinions. That has kind of been your thing since you have gotten on here; you seem to need some sort of validation. Are you aware of egocentric thinking? Check into it. Though you are so guarded you may not make any sense of it. To me it is clear.
I agree with you 100% when you say the man makes the patch, not the patch makes the man. The problem is you think the patch makes you. Remember that I know you. I know what you were before you joined your club, and what you think you are since you have. Let’s take a minute and look at your circular logic. You are in a club so you are tough; because you’re a tough club member people fear you. Because people fear you you can impose your opinions onto them and they must believe them, because you are a member of a club and they should be afraid of you. That may work for you when talking to Joe public, but do not think that is going to work for you here. For the most part the members (forum members, not club members) that post here are intelligent and well spoken people. You cannot come on here and try and bully people. This goes for Skinz too, if he is in fact not you. “Remember, you do not know me, but I might just know you.” Obviously, you did not scare anyone, and why should you? People can agree and disagree and argue until they are blue in the face. That is one of the rights as US citizens that we still have. Intelligent people can argue and use wit and logic to argue their point, people like you who lack that intelligence use name dropping, threats and insults. I am truly sorry that your current IQ limits the kind of meaningful conversation that we could have.
You name drop KS, CH, and other cast of SOA. You name drop your club, 81, and Mongols. You even claim to be friends with Mongol HOUSE, or Haus as you referred to him. I am not disputing that you know these people, have met them, or know of them. I just do not hold name droppers in a very high regard. What is worse is you counter my earlier posts by saying “I do not know Kurt Sutter. Have never met the man or his wife. I have never been to any party he was at” So what I am failing to understand, maybe you can correct me, is why if you do not know these people do you try and speak on their behalf? You come on here claiming that “Clearly, very few here have any idea about what is going on in this world.” And somehow think you that do? Though you do not know any of these people, you have more knowledge than the rest of us? Explain to me how that works? I am willing to guess you are going to say “I know people that know them and they told me.” Do you honestly believe hearsay and rumors make you the expert on here? It doesn’t hold up in a court of law, why should it work for you?
I do not dislike you Fish, and honestly I do not mean to come on here and attack you. I see it more as me defending myself against your ignorant and selfish posts. No one is scared of you, so if you have something to say try bringing some facts or at least some honest intelligent conversation here. Not bully threats. Ok? Can we agree on that?
You came on here and called members of this forum RUBs than admitted to trailering your bike to Nevada. That is one state away from you! I also know you trailered your bike to Utah, and showed up to a run in Havasu in a RV. That sounds like RUB behavior to me. Please explain what it was that these posters did to come across as RUBs, was it because they disagree with you?
You come on here and try and throw around your weight but brought zero content. If we cut out the threats, the ego bolstering and the bashing what would be left in any of your posts?
You call KC a big man but weak on the inside, that may or may not be true, but that is also you. I base that off the fact that you think being a patch holder and a name dropper makes you something better than the rest of us on here. You ASSume that because you are a patch holder people fear you. There is no debate that your club has in fact earned it’s respect, but on here sir, you have not.
You seem to speak for a lot of people, or think you do. You can tell us all about SOA, what they think, why they do what they do, what clubs are involved in filming and consultation, but then you admit you haven’t been there, but we should still take your word for gospel?
Lastly, I would like to know what exactly your point is? What were you so inclined to say on here? We all argue from time to time, but we all are arguing a point. What is yours? You got on here upset people dislike SOA, then in a later post say you yourself dislike it. Your hypocrisy flows in every single post you make. It annoys me. I understand you want some validation; you want to be a big bad outlaw. So go scare some kids in Riverside please, because you won’t get it here.
Here is my point: every member on here has a right to their opinion, and the right to express it. There is no need to imply threats or tough guy chest puffing to communicate.
To get back to the thread, SOA is bullshit. You know it, and I know it. The problem is the sheeple do not know it. If I had a dollar every time someone asked me if that was what club life was really like I would be rich. It is difficult for me to comprehend how you can tell me that SOA is fantasy and is ok with you, but gangland is not. They are both the same. They both give the general public negative opinions about club members. There is no difference. I can tell you from experience, that sitting in a court room staring at a box of 12 alleged peers; nothing is more damaging than shows like SOA and gangland. You and I know these shows are not true, but most do not. The propaganda machine worked wonders for the Nazis and is working as well in the ol USA. Just because this show employs your brothers, and gets advice from other clubs does not mean it is any less damaging to our culture. That is the bottom line.
On an end note my old friend; let’s look at your innate egocentrism. Because you do not know Rebel you think he is a cop. Because the people you have asked about Rebel do not know him, you think he is a cop. You believe is a cop, so he is a cop. Very solid logic. It sums up my entire essay here. All of your solid logic. You dislike this person, you aren’t sure who he is, he refuses to let you bully him, even when you send him private emails, so he must be a cop. He is not scared of you so he is a cop. Ground breaking stuff here. And to be honest I think you are the very first poster on here, who does not agree with Rebel and has accused him of being a cop. Congratulations on your one of a kind theory. I honestly hope by now that you are picking up on the sarcasm here. I am afraid that you aren’t.
I am done here, but ask two things of you in return. This may be selfish of me, but I am wasting a sunny afternoon on a computer instead of out riding, so I want something in return for my time. I would like you to:
1) Explain to me what your point is? Your real point, why you came here to post.
2) Why would a cop make a site exposing ATF failures and faults while sticking up for several clubs, and trying to help people work together? What goal would a cop have by doing this?
Fish, I look forward to your response.
March 7th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
It’s Sunday boys…let’s go for a ride out there and when we see someone broke down,a dollar short of a brew or just lonely, let’s stop and lend ourselves and whatever we have.That’s what it’s all about.I have a sign over the threshold…”Leave your attitude outside”…
All respect to my pals.You know who you are.
sled tramp
March 7th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Dear Sled Tramp,
Excellent idea.
Rebel
March 7th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
There is only one human being on this planet who could make the statements you made KC. You are a very intelligent man, and I really can’t believe you outed yourself here. Who else in the world would have known that I towed two motorcycles on a trailer to Utah when I moved up there?
March 7th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
[fat fingers again]
Whose house did I unload those bikes at and stay in his house for a few months? And, when I left on February 1st in between snow storms, with a bike, tool boxes, clothes etc., on a trailer I pulled with my old wrecked car, to move back to California, who would have known that. It is sad what happened to you. I know you blamed me for your fate, but the truth is, that when I left Utah, I discussed what you were doing with two people. My P and a Nomad whom you know. He told me to keep it to myself and I did that. I held my mud on you. I never mentioned another word about you. You feared me because I knew what you were doing. But, the truth is that in the end, it was the guys who put you out. It had nothing to do with me. They finally got the backbone to stand up to you. When they did that, they called me and asked me what to do. I didn’t want any part of it and told them to call some other people. Sadly, you were given another chance and abused it again, which resulted in your current condition. I had nothing to do with that either.
As a matter of fact, If you check around, you will find a lot of people, who I have told since then, that you were a fantastic person in the position you held and I always admired you for it. It was just that other thing that bothered me. All those hours we talked on the phone and you told me how you were never going to be like certain other people, and then you turned right around and became just like them. It is sad. Well, if it makes you feel any better I think you should come back. Yesterday, I was speaking to the guy who was then second highest and I told him how highly I though of you in that position. I told him that nobody ever did it better than you. And yes, I really liked you and it pained me to no extent to be on the outs with you. When I approached you in Reno, I really wanted to bury the hatchet, but you wouldn’t have it. That made me feel real bad.
So, please know that I though highly of you. If you still have contact with any of the guys, you ask them and they will tell you that I always talk highly of you. I enjoyed being with you. We had some real good times and we accomplished a lot. I would welcome you back and, as you know, there is no such thing as “not possible” in our world. I’d be the first guy to give it my blessing.
I have no interest in rebutting some of the things you say, even though I know they are wrong, because the bigger picture is more important to me. My best to your Mrs. and I hope you are doing okay.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Fish-
I am not lying to you. That is on thing I do not do. I am not KC.
I am off to ride, I hope you enjoy the remainder of your weekend
March 7th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
sled tramp – went for a ride with a bud to Idaho City yesterday. Had hot coffee, wildcat burger, and fries at Trudy’s Kitchen. Roads were clear and dry although there’s still plenty of snow out there. Had to work outside today while everybody else was out riding. Felt good to beat the rush. LOL!
March 7th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Just got back from my ride, beautiful sunshine, temperature almost made it to double figures! Trees were bare, deer on the road as I left our land. Stopped at Tim Hortons in Brockville for a coffee and a doughnut. Down the 401 to Kingston and stopped by a glitzy showroom under an HD and Buell sign.
They didn’t blink once at my Jimmy Choos, they sell the identical thing with an HD logo for four times the price.
They don’t much like supporter’s shirts however.
Go figure.
Back up the 10 and home via the rural routes, trees, snow by the road and brilliant blue skies.
Beats the Hell out of the UK, even if I don’t have a job and have got fuck all money left.
Respect is that which has to be given or earned in order to be received.
If you’ve given or earned it, you know who you are.
LL&R
Jabba
SYLO
March 7th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
While I was out today I had this older guy approach me and ask if my bike was an FXR-II, and if so why did it look so big ? He was in his early to mid 60′s and was a real nice guy who was just really looking for someone to talk to.
I told him the frame was of the FLHT variant and that it didn’t have the XL front end on it.
He told me that his former son-in-law had an FXR-II and had wrecked it, and ran off with a nurse who had taken care of him in the hospital. He told me he still had the rear wheel and offered it to me.
I told him I didn’t want to accept anything that might be stolen or otherwise improper, and he told me that it had been left at his barn for 2 years now.
I got over there this evening and the old man gave me a factory HD rear wheel, and it has new Dunlop tire on it with no signs of dry rot or anything wrong with it.
The sad thing is that the old man got the most enjoyment out of all of it from having someone to talk to. It put things in perspective and I made sure I spoke to my pops an extra long time this evening.
-BigV in Bama
March 7th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Dear BigV, great story. Reminds me of a song by John Prine “Hello in There”.
Fish and Anonymous, hope you work things out…seems more like a big misunderstanding than anything else.
On a final fun note, look at link below of Kurt Sutter before he stepped in the phone booth and became a big bad biker. Looks like my wifes hairdresser, Francois.
http://blog.albundy.net/wp-content/katey_sagal_Kurt%20Sutter.jpg
March 7th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Katy Segal use to be married to a guy who was in a full patch clean and sober club. She has been around clubs enough to know what time it is. As a matter of fact one of the guys, Jim V., who was in the same clean and sober club as her old man, was the person who chose the extras for the SOA shows. My guess is that Sutter brought him in for that job based upon the friendship developed in that club. That is just my guess. I don’t know exactly what his title was, and only know that he worked at a studio for many years doing something.
Respects, Fish
March 8th, 2010 at 7:47 am
At least four times over the weekend,rest stops,stores etc…I got hostile,wary,fearful looks…old leathers and a biker beard are my only crimes..it cracks me up…lighten up world.Quit telling the kids I’m the fuckin’ Devil. BTW, yer wife was lookin with a smile…:-)
March 8th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Dear Tramp,
Whaddya expect when SOA shows bikers biting peoples noses off and cutting off their testicles? Perpetuating the bullshit. OK, I’ve trashed the show enough for now.
Back in 2003 when I got my Indian Chief (I’m a recovering RUB), I shaved my head and grew a beard. Wife wouldn’t kiss me and daughters were scared of me. So were most of the rest of the world. Even cops, I cut my face on my windshield trying to outrun them once and when they caught me the cop kept hiding behind his door with his flashlight above his head while I fumbled for my license “get back! get back!” and there was two of them.
I smartened up and realized I was a phony, grew my hair back. Wife kisses me again. Daughter smiles. In the bike biz I respected the outlaws and didn’t pretend I was one…just acted like myself.
Don’t sweat it man. And your absolutely right about the wife looking. I had a lot more attention when I looked that way. Now I’m just middle aged guy.
Life is funny.
I’ll lighten up here as well, excuse my recent ranting.
March 8th, 2010 at 9:19 am
I’m just a gimpy old happy go lucky fart on a sled…no worries.It’s just that after almost 40 years, I always hope SOMBODY’D be used to me…:-)
Thank you Mr. Slutter, you have all these nice church folk thinking I’m some of badass,baby eating devil incarnate.Of course, when I bat away the flies,throw out a crooked grin and run my tongue across their windshield, they always change their minds…
Well, off to an MRI…ahhhhhh, the joyful consequences of a life in the wind…
March 8th, 2010 at 9:56 am
Who the fuck is kurt sutter, I wear boots when I ride and Rebel if you need a bodyguard I’m your man. I’ll work for beer
Respect rr
ps who uses screen name fish??
March 8th, 2010 at 10:44 am
Dear ruffrider,
Now you gone make me choke up and get all emotional and shit. Thinking about beer always does that.
Rebel
March 8th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Okay, now I’ve wasted a good bit of a sunny day reading this fascinating shit when I shoulda been outside, working on my bike and trying to get it to run. Anonymous, you cleared up everything I suspected about Fish from reading his posts. He seems to have calmed down, so I guess you affirmed some of his self doubts, too.
Fish, the fact that some of your brothers are getting a dribble of money from that exploitation show is okay, but they’re being used, just like our lifestyle is getting used. And here is the fucking danger…and I mean DANGER.
Alphabet agencies in this capitalist society stay in business and grow their budgets by creating perceived threats, then getting headlines going after them. Congress watches headlines. So ATF stays in business by trumping up bullshit busts against bikers. It’s an easy mark. Most of the bikers I know (and I know a lot) either don’t vote or they support the rich republican CEO’s who dream up freedom smashing laws like RICO and the Patriot Act. These same corporate politicians suck off the lives and wages of working men.
The danger of this samcro bullshit is that it feeds the machine. It titillates the fears of the public, and the public supports the witch hunts against the disenfranchised, outside-the-law bikers who walk in chains past the tv cameras whenever ATF delivers the sealed warrants. Do you get it? Do you see that this fantasy delivers free headlines in support of ATF budgets? Do you see that the politicians and agencies get to ignore the really hard shit, like big money drug organizations and mega-money arms smugglers, by going after a few bearded guys who ride harleys and advertise their lifestyle with patches?
I think Sutter is kind of a bottom feeder in this hierarchy. If he was after the big money he’d be in politics. But you should think about how your brothers, by being advisers and extras in Sutter’s fantasy, are feeding the machine that’s gonna chop their own balls off.
March 8th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Dear Sled Tramp,
Did you forget? I know what you look like. You look just like Satan. When he wakes up. Ain’t you never gonna heal up from that unfortunate elk accident?
your pal,
Rebel
March 8th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Ironrider said:
“The danger of this samcro bullshit is that it feeds the machine. It titillates the fears of the public, and the public supports the witch hunts against the disenfranchised, outside-the-law bikers who walk in chains past the tv cameras whenever ATF delivers the sealed warrants. Do you get it? Do you see that this fantasy delivers free headlines in support of ATF budgets? Do you see that the politicians and agencies get to ignore the really hard shit, like big money drug organizations and mega-money arms smugglers, by going after a few bearded guys who ride harleys and advertise their lifestyle with patches?”
Well said. What I was trying to say in like 10 posts mixed in with my own petty bullshit and could not distill down to this level.
Like David Mamet the playwright said “If you can’t write your idea on the back of a business card, you don’t have a clear idea”…this fits that test.
Mikonos
March 8th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
So there i was walking back to a tattoo convention in northern california last weekend, and what do my bleary eyes behold? yes, you guessed it three guys sporting full sets of SOA cuts. now i get around a bunch and know the guy that puts on this convention so i knew that this was not a scheduled publicity event by the show. so i lowered my shades to to ensure that i was not hallucinating, and yup, there they are… redwood original tags and all… state rockers on three mid fifties guys on new twin cams. as i walked by with my cup 16oz cup of chocolate jitter juice i just shook my head and laughed… and sort of cried too, cause i felt kind of sorry for the lames.
i mean really, here is a good example of what is fundamentally wrong with today’s instant gratification throw away society today.. these guys probably have toiled away their live pursuing the “aamerikan dream” and have come to the startling realization that their lives are hollow and shallow. no brotherhood no unconditional love from their peers and all that goes with being a brother.
so i stroll over to the back entrance of the venue.(it’s where i post up to ensure that the entry fee is paid) and have a chat with the brothers who are just arriving. tennis shoes and all…
after some funny comments, blatant finger pointing and plainly visible head shaking and laughter by one and all, the afore mentioned lops covered their probably very expensive feaux(sp?) colors and rode away covered in auras of embarrassed chagrin.
for me it was the sort of thing that when being related in a tale of,
” you won’t believe what i saw…”
when i was living in phx, there was a period of time when the Black Label Society fans were sporting patches with the mc stamp. standing policy was to skin them and explain basic etiquette and protocols… mostly went with out a hitch and was entertaining for a minute.
i find it painfully ironic that because we live in a “free” country some people feel it is their right to display symbols that were hard earned and fought for by those who went before and continue to strive to protect, rather than viewing them as distinct privileges.
although i frequently suffer from oldtimerz disease symptoms i do have fairly clear recollections of the very vigorous and animated discussions held both privately and publicly by various and sundry patched clubs in the greater bay area of california in the 60′s and 70′s about who could and should wear what and where. and for the most part the final outcome has worked. in my somewhat less than humble opinion.
as my online handle indicates i no longer live in california having moved away so that my chillins would not have to sling their dogs every day in oakland and thus grow up to be me… even here in northern idaho
we don’t see people flaunting state rockers. maybe we are not cool enough…. why oh why would people from a state that has several large crews think that it is ok to sport a territorial rocker there? just boggles the mind.
now for some observations regarding some of the above comments and flames:
tennis shoes v.s. heavy boots;
here is what i believe. ‘Back in the day’ boots were vastly superior to tennis shoes for a couple of simple and practical reasons. namely they were longer lasting and entirely more practical. some of us remeber when tennies were only to be had in canvas and thin rubber.(when i was a kid i really wanted a pair of PF Flyers. i always got the monkey wards specials….) it blew serious chunks to get caught in the rain going to somewhere and then having to squish around in soggy kicks. not to mention that boots have a tendency to last years and when you have to conserve what little cash you have fer fuel for you and the scoot, where are you going to put your cash? besides now you can get a pair the shows your support for the home team! and now that leather is d’regure for tennis shoes they do offer some protection against hazards of the road. i love fashion police, and those railing for or against a certain dress code for ‘bikers’. really? think back to the days of the 99% vs the 1% most of the others wore loafers and button down shirts. the sleeveless jacket or vest, heavy boots, patches, tattoos and swastikas were part of a ‘uniform’ of non-conformity. today they are something else…
who is or who is what or who(whom?);
as a kid i was taught some fairly basic lessons about life. namely keep your mouth shut unless you have something that others may really want or need to hear. never do your laundry in public. always stand up for what you believe in. it is easier to tell the truth and live with the consequences.(talk shit get hit!) never start a fight but don’t lose one either.( this confused me for a bit until it was explained to me that not losing is not always winning. just make sure that the next day they remember that you were there! hopefully with a great deal of pain!)
so that being said is it really important to figure out who is typing flames behind the smoking screen? really? and why oh why would somebody claim a “green light” on somebody in a public forum run by someone that they consider might be a onetime? and then offer that person to re-join the fold? really? i have been in the life in one way or another all my life. my first harley ride was on the tank of a club bike in oakland. and that really made me shake my head. even in the heat of anger nobody should do that. club business is club business leave it where it belongs.(see laundry doing…)who is and who is not what will never be determined on-line so please just quit. though i must admit that i get some vicarious entertainment with the mental imagery; a greasy smelly slob sitting at his computer in full SOA regalia, chaps, boots, rings drinking warm jolt cola straight from the can popping skittles and puffing on an e-smoke…. a whole new breed, V-64 bit bikers…GRRRRRR
March 8th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Dear Sled Tramp:
You need to run into me when I’ve got my little girls with me. You’d smile at them, they’d smile at you, the one year old would start waving and saying “hi”–repeatedly– and since you smiled at my kids, I’d have to smile at you even before I knew who you were. If it’s just me without the kids, well, if you give a friendly nod to a guy in a tweed jacket in a “cage” or on foot, I’m returning the gesture. I’m guessing, however, that without my kids, I’m strictly under the radar.
SVD
March 8th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Mikonos, many thanks. That’s high praise and I appreciate it. I just hate to see us buying into bullshit that’ll end up cutting our own throats. I may be giving SOA too much credit, given that it’s just a cable tv show, but it feeds the Beast.
“Like David Mamet the playwright said “If you can’t write your idea on the back of a business card, you don’t have a clear idea”…this fits that test.”
I knew Mamet and his crew a long time ago back in the northeast. Pretty cool bunch. And Mamet’s one of the best dialogue writers in the world.
Thanks again,
L&R, ironrider
March 8th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Dear Fish:
Have you looked through the whole blog here? The Aging Rebel may have what you (and others) view to be an irrational level of hatred for a certain television show–in fact people around here kid him about it all the time. But SOA is such a tiny part of what the blog is about that I’m left wondering why you seem to overlook critical, detailed coverage of legal/constitutional/civil rights issues that is hard to find anywhere else.
SVD
March 8th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
ruffrider,
“ps who uses screen name fish??”
Names are funny aren’t they? I don’t know about fish but I knew a guy once whose mom couldn’t stand him.Growing up it was always,”This is my kid, cuntfish”..
Rebel,
Naw….still gives me grief.Had to cut short a ride with someone we know this weekend due to pain.They just wanted to check it.Getting better.” I know what you look like. You look just like Satan. When he wakes up”.LMAO…I think yer on to somethin’…:-)
calexpat,”as my online handle indicates I no longer live in california having moved away so that my chillins would not have to sling their dogs every day in oakland and thus grow up to be me… even here in northern idaho”. That’s interesting.Same exact here but Oregon…hmmmm…
“…. a whole new breed, V-64 bit bikers…GRRRRRR”.
I love that…THAT’s funny..I miss Oakland something fierce but it b nice and safe fer the rugrats up here.I don’t know about anyone else but I was raised with a cargo-deck jacket/Engineers/KD’s and frankly, I wouldn’t mind going back to that.H.O.G. fashion 5-0 might jump me and severely chastise my lack of edgy dark side but I’m a walking fashion risk anyways so fuck it.Sorry the tennies thread took off, I was just playin’.
BTW, P.F. Flyers RULE!
WFO
sled tramp
March 8th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Dear Calexpat-
I really enjoyed your post. I love reading this page, and greatly enjoy posts with substance. Your post was chock full of substance. Thank you for taking the time to come on here and share with us.
Being of the newer generation, I always enjoy when people post old stories on here. Sled Tramp, Selfish One, etc. You guys bring me back to this site daily. thank you.
I did not mean to distract this post from its original thread when I was talking to Fish, but felt offended and had to express it. I hope everyone knows that I am not KC (the person Fish thinks I am) several of you know me, and know why i do not post my name on here.
I too agree that club business should be kept off of forums, and agree with you Calexpat, this is not the place to air laundry. I also noticed the inconsistencies of Fish’s posts, but i felt like i pointed out enough before to keep going.
My whole problem with the guy wasn’t personal, it was how he came on here and the way he was talking to us (the collective posters of Aging Rebel) now that he has mellowed out, I have zero problem with him, or his posts. I hope that is understood.
Now, it was supposed to rain today, but the sun is shining. I am going to go for a ride.
March 8th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Oh and I forgot to mention, Brother Speed wears a Idaho bottom rocker. They where founded there. http://www.brotherspeed.com
March 8th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Mikonos: Didn’t Mamet also say “Coffee is for closers.”?
March 8th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Anonymous: man dude, i ain’t old, i’m vintage. and ya, i know Brother Speed, went to their spring opener a few years back and see them about now and then. until fairly recently they were pretty much mostly down in the greater boise are. we have a couple of clubs here some older than others. until recently though we did not have any of the “big 5″. basically a neutral state.
sled tramp: there are many things about oakland that i too miss. mostly the food. when i was a kid and older we still had neighborhoods and knew each other. now though… not so much. i get down there pretty frequently and points north, but to live there again? i am not sure i want to work up the agro energy… too may people from elsewhere with no interest in being there. (despite what mark twain said) the kidletts are growd now. one slinging ink and the other getting ready to go into college. i’m looking longingly at a couple of years of saddle tramping. assuming i can get all of my ducks in a row. i may snow bird….
nice, satan. just rub in the fact that you ran faster and jumped higher… stay awake and watch out for the ‘roided bambi’s… and elks is big true, but have you seen these thing that they call moose? phuq man they are like those things you saw when the fungus got old. just not as many colors . they freak me out. they kill cars that hit them and walk away. uber seat sucking at 70+….
March 8th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
I haven’t mellowed out on anything. If you are not KC, then you are just some coward hiding behind a keyboard like Rebel. No wonder you guys are so upset about a television show, it is a giant step up from where you are at.
You go on raving about how it makes bikers look bad, blah, blah, blah, . .
Try playing movie critic and ask yourself how it makes the feds look? I would say it is casting them in a worse light than the bikers. But, I am not all twisted off about how the public perceives me. I don’t belong to the “can’t we all get along crowd”. If you don’t want to be seen as a biker, quit trying to dress and emulate one. I don’t really give a shit if some old lady gets nervous because I am around. I am not living my life to please her. If you guys can’t stand the heat, get out of kitchen. Quit being wannabes and quit worrying that some other wannabes are getting their jollies buying Halloween costumes and secret squirrel watches. If you clowns want any respect from my world, you need to grow a pair and quit hiding under rocks.
March 8th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Bob, yes. Glengarry Glen Ross…Alec Baldwin at his best “back in the day”!
Love that guy, he’s best on Letterman, such an irreverant wise ass. My wife makes me watch 30 Rock and I would be lying if I said I don’t enjoy it.
Calexpat, super post. I guess you’re not a “real biker” since you handled the situation respectfully.
Production manager of mine for a couple of years was Prez of a small SoCal club. Huge bear of a guy with long beard and ponytail (losing his hair but still looked good on him). Several of his sons and son in laws worked for us as well, great group, had the keys to the shop, total trust. Lot of stories about him but he never told them, others did. Hit a deer and stayed upright while the deer died, snapped his ankle and folded his foot back 90 degrees. On a construction site a large beam fell and hit him so hard on the helmet a piece of his skull flew out of his head. Did not lose consiousness. Had a real bad car wreck (ironic) going up Cajon pass on the 15 in the snow a few years back and broke his leg in 17 places. Took hours to cut him out of the car and that leg is now noticably shorter. He still rides, has prostate cancer now but recovering. Great guy, scary as hell when he would get pissed but what a great human being. Isn’t there a story there somewhere? Can’t somebody make a show out of this kind of stuff?
Anonymous you made the comment about MLB teams and wearing the jerseys being the same as SOA gear. I look at it more like a civilian wearing a marine dress outfit with medals on it. This has been in the news a few times over the past couple of years.
Signed up for new job today so less frequent posting in future. Has kept my mind of my troubles, thanks for listening.
Regards
Mikonos
March 8th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
oh yea, levi’s ,welders gloves, field jacket, santa rosa’s and of course kds(64′s). wore it riding, walking around hell i usually passed out in same. washed when it rained….
March 8th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
calexpat,
Yeah…Welder gloves..(HEY! You know Straight Allan?)
Uh…you’re kinda freakin me here..I go back all the time too and yeah…mostly for the food.Up here in Squat and Gobble Orygun, things ain’t exactly happening diversity wise.I’m a dazzling urbanite in a sea of heathen rustics…
P.F.s DO help you run faster and higher. Getting them over my cloven hooves is a serious bitch though…
Rebel was referring to a collision with Bambi at 65 awhile back.Rode it out with my leg 90 degrees plus reversed.Sucked.
Did I mention I hate Bambi?
I miss the neighborhoods,Fruitvale,Jingle Town,Macarthur,Foothill….Man I need to ride home pretty soon….
March 8th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Fish-
Now you are starting to bother me. I was giving you credit for a minute, thought you had sometime to rethink the way you came across and made a change for the better. Shame on me for thinking a blind man could see the light. I should have known better. Do you read the posts you write? Seriously? I want to know if you realize how stupid you come across. I am wondering if you intentionally contradict everything you say.
One thing I love about your posts is how you constantly prove my points. Remember when I told you that your patch makes you, not you making your patch? Well you proved it to me with your last rant. You like shows like SOA, and the image it portrays because you are a weak and worthless person. You like that wearing a patch, and being in a club makes people think you are an outlaw, makes people think you are tough. The problem is, you are the one wearing a costume. You believe in your fairy tale image, and think it makes you a somebody.
You really are starting to get under my skin. See, I know, I know from experience that these negative images hurt us, because I have had to face a jury. Many of my brothers have as well, and will tell you the same thing. The funny thing is you are trying so hard to be something you are not that you are oblivious to what we are all about. You play biker, so these things do not affect you. “I don’t really give a shit if some old lady gets nervous because I am around.” We know, you get off on it, that’s why you put on your patch (that you never prospected to earn btw). For those of us who have earned what we do, and who do not play dress up, these things affect our lives.
Here is the deal, Fish, I am not a “wanna be.” I am a proud and well known member of a major 1%er club, a club that you have name dropped several times. Keep in mind Fish, I am not hiding, I know you, I have proven I know you, and when our paths cross again you will probably be singing a way different tune. I know that this is a foreign concept for you, but think, really sit down and think, before you write on here. You are embarrassing yourself.
I have explained this before but I will do it one last time because you are slow. My club, as per club etiquette (I know this is also a foreign concept to you since you aired all of your clubs business earlier on here) does not allow any members to post in a club capacity. I said earlier I am well known in the club world and putting my name on here, even if I didn’t put my club, would tie my club to my personal feelings and I am not willing to do that. So I choose to keep my name out of my posts in order to follow protocol and keep my club out of my posts. Those who need to, know who I am. Several of the people here have met me, you have as well.
“If you clowns want any respect from my world, you need to grow a pair and quit hiding under rocks.” I have respect from “your world” Trust me. What I do not have is respect for is you. You come on here and try and throw your weight around, but in reality you do not have any. Every time I read your posts I can see how you feel about yourself. You are transparent. You know what you are; you just have problems admitting it. You project your negative self image onto Rebel and me, but we know who the real wanna be is. So PLEASE give it a rest.
Calexpat- I forgot the red and gold moved in there recently as well. Glad you have got to spend some time with Brother Speed.
Mikonos- I believe you may be mistaken. I am not the one who made that analogy. I like your analogy better. On a side note: sounds like you may be from Dago, I bet we have been to a lot of the same places if you are.
March 8th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Dear Anonymous, my bad. Knowledgable Reader aka Skinz was the proper attribution. Not from Dago, spent a lot of time in Riverside county. Now living in the O-See.
Regards
Mikonos
March 8th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Hey wannabe, you know where my door is, but I don’t hear anybody knocking on it. Could it be you are letting your alligator mouth overload your butterfly ass? I’m done with you girls.
March 8th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
WOW !!!!! Girl friend fishy MUST BE A BITCH TO BE TOUGH BEHIND A KEY BOARD.
Respect, Steve
March 8th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
sled tramp: yeah well freaking people out is kind of a gift. i have been ‘lurking’ for quite some time. i just generally do not post (see lesson 1 above). i dont think i know the individual. i was taught about welders glove by an older gent when i was bemoaning the loss of yet another pair of gloves. the welders gloves never seemed to grow legs. i am hoping to get my $$$ together this week and get the scoot running. blew another ignition module and maybe the coil too. its an every other yer thing. i think i run too hot and hard.. phuq it i own it and ride accordingly! if i can, i plan to make the st paddies day. thin chance though really. i am def going to az in april though! may stop in reno on the way down and up for that matter..
anonymous: yeah they moved in a couple of years ago, down in the southern part of the state. the brother speed did up a pretty good party when i went down.and now have a charter in the north. i generally try to attend local events. i am however very loyal to my home town team though.
fish: really dude, lighten up. you are taking what was a pretty funny original posting and getting all in a twist over vapor. it has all been observation and opinion. you are taking things way to personally.
March 9th, 2010 at 6:25 am
calexpat – there’s two other MCs, one in SW ID and other in SE ID in addition to the two mentioned in earlier posts. We moved here in 2002, but didn’t change our plates for a couple of months. Others switched plates almost immediately. Too funny as most of the folks here didn’t give a flip where you came from. Speeding tickets are cheap – $75 up to 15mph over. 16mph or more, $140. My last 2 in CA were ex$pen$sive. Don’t care much for the Winnemucca route to CA. Been going through Burns and Lakeview.
March 9th, 2010 at 7:09 am
grumbler: living up north, i usually dont take the windymucka route but it can be fun when balls out. except through the freakin wind tunnel. as fer tickets… well kalifornia must make its money some place. and tickets are easy. at least until they pass the 420 stamp act…recently got lit up in oregon, profile stop… “got any guns or weapons?…’ you know the drill…
March 9th, 2010 at 9:06 am
calexpat – if I lived up north would probably grab US-395 to Alturas, CA-139 to Susanville, and CA-89 to Truckee. Am not much for stuporslab droning unless stoned or inebriated. Heh. Gimmie the winding backroads and those mom & pop joints anytime. Hey, have you been to the Snake Pit in Kingston? Hoping to do St. Joe River Rd btw St. Maries and Avery this year, but more likely to do the Clarkston overnighter which includes Lowell and Kendrick on way there and Rattlesnake Grade on way back. Am always getting into a time warp at either end of that Time Zone Bridge north of Riggins.
March 9th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Hell I thought SOA was entertaining. What is the big deal?
March 9th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Dear Reality King, Thanks for the penetrating insight, if you had been the first poster we could have avoided all this senseless debate.
That said, you got a point…maybe we all think too much
March 10th, 2010 at 9:49 am
The new season of SOA is expected to roar out in September. If anyone wants SOA colors as a wall display (don’t even think about wearing them), google “patch attack SAMCRO” …
March 10th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Dear Grumbler,
My favorite is the white on black “Support SOA” tab. One of my loyal fans is this guy named Fish. I think I’ll buy one for him.
Rebel
March 10th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Dear Reality King,
If you like it I am happy for you.
AGING REBEL WELCOMES ALL SOA FANS! SOA, THE OFFICIAL TELEVISION SHOW OF THE AGING REBEL! IF YOU LIKE SOA YOU WILL BE MOVED BY THE AGING REBEL SO READ IT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AFTER BREAKFAST! (You know, like pork is the official meat of Sturgis.)
“I puked! I heard colors! I realized there is no reality. I became one with my coyote totem spirit!” Kurt Sutter after reading The Aging Rebel.
“I passed out and when I woke up I was still tingling! All over!” Katey Sagal after reading The Aging Rebel.
“I read The Aging Rebel and now I can ride a motorcycle!” Ron Perlman, who plays the role of Rebel on TV.
Okay? We all cool. Enjoy the show!
Rebel
March 10th, 2010 at 11:13 am
How does that song go … you’re a rebel and you’ll never never be any good ..
Sorry man … couldn’t resist. There’s probably another one about getting fish to stop carping but that will take a few beers to work out.
Cheers.
March 10th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Holy Shit! You can buy a 1% diamond from that patch attack?!? Can’t wait to see some HOG chapter fool wearin’ one of those…
Where’s Fish? It’s getting boring here…
March 10th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Hey, check this site out. You can get a Silver Star for a buck:
http://www.armysurplusworld.com/display.asp?subDepartmentID=2942
Crap, I thought I had to join the military and be a hero for that.
SOA should some cross selling. “Buy one Samcro 1% patch and get a free Silver Star”. Or maybe they should do a “Biker Happy Meal” at McDonalds like when the big movies come out? Burger, fries, beer, meth pipe, 1% patch yada yada….
LOL
March 10th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Hey Rebel
I became one with my coyote totem spirit at the 7 Feathers casino in Oregon and it took all my fuckin money. That don’t have nothin to do with soa or you but I thought mabe you could send me 10 bucks for gas. I’ll be the one outback going thru the dumpster
respect rr
March 10th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
Man this is a tough crowd..must be the dog days of Winter I think everyone is restless and cranky and needs to get out and ride. It seems so many people enjoyed my last post, I thought I might post again..
Jesus Christ it is a fucking TV show..you guys get all fucking wound up about a show, it makes me wonder what the hell you do when something really important happens? For full disclosure I am a Chapter P of a 1% club. Chill the fuck out, if you don’t like it don’t watch it! Darwin’s theory will take care of all the lops who wear the gear…
At least the producers made a genuine attempt to get some of the shit right- most of the members are riding Dynas or FXR’s..So what Ron Pearlman can’t ride, most of you fucks can’t act. They constantly allude to the push and pull of club vs. family in the MC world. If you haven’t experienced it, you haven’t been committed enough to your club. Simple as that. The room where they have church is cool-but having beers during church isn’t. Wearing cuts in cars isn’t cool, making Gemma the matriarch is bullshit, but for an old broad she still looks pretty good. The Doctor chick is hot. Most of those guys need to go to the range, in one of the episode they fired of nearly 1000 rounds and one dude got grazed in the arm..I thought Henry Rollins character died an honorable death.
I too have Brothers who worked as extras on the film, it is pretty cool that they went out of their way to hire real 1% club members instead of padding the ledger with yuppies and rubs. Flame away boys, I don’t really give a fuck.
March 10th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Reality King
Yeah, you brought up something I’ve been thinking about. They hired some real bikers for some of the extras. Fuck……. I’d do it and screw what anybody thinks. It might be a biker exploitation flick, but a biker’s making a little something on it.
This has been a pretty good thread too. It’s got some guys really twisted up. I personally think the whole deal is worth may be 50 cents.
Like it matters what I think.
Respects
Doc
March 10th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Reality King: Flame away boys, I don’t really give a fuck.
Brings to mind the official motto of the Denizens of Doom “Live to Flame — Flame to Live” from my old wreck.moto NG days. If we’d all post as if talking IRL (In Real Life) WADR (With All Due Respect), that pool of Keyboard Commandos would be like a fart in a whirlwind.
This is a classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdn-e5SsdKc
March 10th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
ruffrider,
Hey! I was only an hour away up north.Ya shoulda called!
Reality King,
“So what Ron Pearlman can’t ride, most of you fucks can’t act”.
LMAO…Well, I fake it in bed….geeeezzz…if I can’t bitch about something , I won’t have anything to say…
March 11th, 2010 at 7:03 am
Reality King, “most of you fucks”? Really? Who is the flamer? I will respond in a very structured manner so as not to set off your sensitive fire detector:
1) If you carefully read the thread you will notice about 5% of it could be classifed as “flaming”. The balance is different opinions and points of view being pretty well articulated.
2)You use the word fuck in your posts way more than necessary. Interesting that Kurt Sutter has that same problem.
3) “Most of the members are riding Dynas or FXR’s”: Ok, I’m going to defer to others on this. My theory is if you listed all the bikes that all the clubs ride 30% at most, would be dyna/FXR and frankly most would be older style FXR’s with some work done and not stock Harley with an iddy biddy fairing and black out kits….probably some stretched backbones, modified rake, minor stuff your really couldn’t see.
4) The show does get the push pull right. It actually has had some real moments. The Fa Guan episode of the original post was extremely well done with the scene with the judge. My problem is it started really strong and declined as the ratings went up. I think the producer let the show go to his head and lost his focus/discipline. It STILL has a lot of potential. BTW, I don’t have a problem with any of the actors that are not pretending to be bikers, only Sutter is doing this.
5)You sort of make my argument in the last half of the post, that the show is bullshit BUT I can live with all of that stuff and write it off as entertainment. Yes, its good they hire club members instead of yuppies. My issue is Sutter thinks bikers are stupid and he can manipulate them any way he wants to tell the story how he wants to tell it. Read his blog, the “story” is exploring the dark corners of Kurt Sutters mind, or telling a story about a family with the club as the backdrop, not about bikers and clubs.
6) Happy your a chapter P of a 1% club. You win the dick length competition in this forum.
Mikonos
March 11th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Mikonos-
All valid points. I never said it was good, I just said it was entertaining..:-)
The only thing I know about Sutter is that he gets a chance to do the things to Peg Bundy that I have been dreaming of for like…20 years?
Have a good one-
March 11th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Dear Mikonos,
I ride a Dyna. Dynas are cheap! Me like Dynas! What mean Fa Guan?
And, I sort of think Kurt Sutter is just trying to get paid. He might be infatuated with this sub-culture but I am not sure he is exactly trying to manipulate anybody. I think he is just commodifying this little slice of Americana. I would love to talk to the guy but he seems to be more inaccessible than Kozlowski. I would love to ask him why this subculture? What does he think is so interesting about here now? What does he think people like about his show? Are people trying to vicariously live a different life than they have? Are we the wide open spaces? Is the biker subculture the last of the American frontier? That’s what I think.
You still out there Kurt? Can you here me partner? Don’t be afraid. I won’t hurt you.
your pal,
Rebel
March 11th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Dear Rough Rider,
Have your coyote totem spirit call my coyote totem spirit.
Rebel
March 11th, 2010 at 11:05 am
sled tramp
I’m up that way quite a bit when the weather aint too bad. Usually no farther than Albany then I either go to the coast or inland but it is one of my favorite time killers. Mabe we’ll cross trails. I’ll be the Old fat guy on the road king with the I don’t want to know you look on his face (says my wife) but it aint necessarly true. I’ll buy you a beer
rr
March 11th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Rebel
I’ll do that
March 11th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Rebel, agreed. Part of my issue is I tried to get paid in the bike biz and lost. And I tried to respect all parties in the process. But I lost…a lot. So admittedly there is a some personal stuff regarding the fact that he built a great business franchise quickly and why didn’t I succeed. Just being straight up.
I think he could tone it down a bit especially with the corporate world but who the hell am I anyway.
I tried to get your type of questions answered by playing nice-nice on his blog and got told to fuck off about 6 times. So I told him I realized I was unwelcome and I would no longer post.
I have issues. The arguments on this site I have with myself, I mumble and argue all the time, alone.
That said, this site keeps my knife sharp (on both sides) and takes the painful edge off my day job although I’m starting a new one soon that will hopefully be better.
Don’t want to sound all California new thinking here but the site is sort of therapeutic…
Reality King, thanks for sticking around. This blog is a bit of an intellectual bar fight but its moderated and controlled and nobody is better or smarter than anyone else. Even Fayattenom Hoe is a smart character although I have to read his posts like a dozen times before I get the insight out of them. He should write a book.
Mikonos
March 11th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
No worries Mikonos, I stop in from time to time, it is always entertaining. Hell sometimes I even learn something.
March 12th, 2010 at 6:48 am
I love my FXR. We have matching scars & lots of miles of memories with lots more to go.
March 12th, 2010 at 7:52 am
Mikonos,
I usually only get Fayattenom Hoe when I’m burning a fatty!……or atleast I think I do……..
March 12th, 2010 at 8:06 am
TigGirl,
BIG smile…..:-)
March 12th, 2010 at 8:44 am
The FXRS-SP was tits. Unfortunately, whenever the MoFoCo came out with a great handling Harley (XL1200S, XL1200R, and FXRS-SP), sales weren’t all that great. If I was in the market for a new 2010 HD that’d rock the winding mountain and river backroads here in Idaho, the Street Bob might be it.
March 12th, 2010 at 9:03 am
where can I get an “ATTENTION PRETTY BITCH” t-shirt?and don’t say check the SOA website under merchandise.
March 12th, 2010 at 9:21 am
For the record…(I know you can’t sleep nights wondering deep, deep down if all the rumors are true..)
I LOVE MY STREET BOB.
Just wanted to say that for no apparent reason…
March 12th, 2010 at 9:52 am
Speaking of FXRs and Street Bobs as opposed to Road Kings
and Garbage Wagons …
Some riders are hoarders, and have to pack tons of useless
crap otherwise they won’t go anywhere even if it’s just to a
nearby convenience store for a pack of smokes. They’re into
the bag lady syndrome.
See: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/images/baglady1.jpg
March 12th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Grumbler,
I like every ride out there.If it has two wheels, they share the same BS and risks as anyone else.I wave-for the most part-at everyone regardless of brand (which I can’t tell usually at 75 anyway).
I ride a black Harley,have severe facial growth and in general fit the description of a Yeti.
I HAVE to be friendly. Hell, I have L.E.O.’s, cagers,Truckers et all LINING UP to mess with me.
I know what you mean but garbage wagons only irritate me when the rider determines I’m not good “Church people” or HOG material.My only real targets out there are the sunny day,35k wannabe “Hard guys”.
I usually just blow them a kiss and watch ‘em implode….
March 12th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Should probably mention in defense of Baggers that in front of most clubhouses,in any major club, it’s pretty much a 50/50 split between Dynas/FXR’ and RK’s/SG’s etc..I ride a Dyna because A) I’m poor. B) I live in twisty central and C) I’m poor.
(Did I mention I’m poor?)…
Also it’s an age thing I think.My elderly posterior anatomy wants a Road King and my mind says I’m 18.
March 12th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Agree with Sled Tramp on this one. Had an FXR for a long time and loved it: then got tired of trying to locate shit that kept falling off it..Got a FLHT and love it. My body says I am old, my mind says I am 21 and my wife says I am 12. Got that covered.
March 12th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Completely dig the comfort of a RK or Bagger especially during long road trips in inclement weather. Still, using applied logic, the older we get, the lighter our sleds ought to be. Easier handling, better performance and braking, and less risk of getting the mother of all hernias lifting bike off jiffy stand (sorry, couldn’t resist).
Here are the wet weights for 4 models … Street Bob 667-lbs, FLSTC 761-lbs, Street Glide 810-lbs, FLHTCU 889-lbs. Power to weight ratio of Street Bob is far superior to that of the FLHTCU although, in defense of the Bagger, we don’t actually use much power droning along at freeway speeds.
Speaking of Baggers, I think this is Sonny’s current ride:
http://www.coolhunting.com/images/sonnybarger_selfedge_forweb-6.jpg
March 12th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
I love my Road King. Only what chrome came on it and I only wash it when I feel guilty. Dirt dont hurt and chrome wont get you home I say. The only changes I’ve made are performance and a little bit of comfort. As for that bike Sonny is on, it might be compfortable but it is butt ugly in my own opinion.
respect rr
March 12th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
ruffrider – agreed, it is one fugly bike. That’s not what Lady Bird Johnson had in mind when they passed Highway Beautification Act. LOL!
March 12th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Want a bagger that handles? Road Glide. I had a batwing bike–a fixed fairing is far finer.
March 12th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
My FLT was all I could afford because the price of FXR’s had gone up so much. It’s basically an FXR with bigger tubes and an arched neck up at the top.
I kind of get the best of both worlds- it handles the best of any dresser I’ve ever ridden- including the new ones- and it has the power of a built EVO replacing the shovel. Also, I kept the side bags and the supports for them so if I ever want to dress it up again, I can.
March 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
sheesh…what a thread this turned out to be!
Rebel, how many Brownie Points do I get for starting all this drivel? I actually “cut & paste” the entire thread on Word just so I could print it out because I couldn’t stop reading it
! Almost as entertaining as SOA….almost. glad to see that everyone is well.
Rebel, keep up the good work. i’ll be lurkin’
*smooches*
March 12th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
I rode a fatbob for a year – I was being incognito – blending in with the Rubbiehogs. It was a sweet ride, but my FXR is so comfortable to ride, to work on, to ride.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Dear Pretty Bitch,
Many points. Quick! Say something controversial!
Rebel
March 12th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
My Roadglide was by far the best handling Harley I have ridden. Seriously. It was easy to forget how big of a bike it really was. It was def not as good looking as other bikes I had before it, but as a club member and 1%er I needed something for those frequent road trips and the Roadglide made my life so much nicer. With a Thunderheader and 95ci kit it ran great as well. never felt slow to me. I got it up to 119 in between Susanville and McCloud and had plenty of room for some more, but I backed down.
my new bike however, handles better, way faster and will blow away any power to weight ratio of another American bike.
March 12th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Anonymous – BMW K1200LT comes to mind. Word has it that the P of a 1%er chapter in the SF Bay Area owns one, and likes to take his HD buddies out for fast rides in the desert at least until their bikes blow up. Can’t substantiate it though.
Have a bud in San Jose with RG, and he got completely fed-up with all the turbulence from the fixed frame fairing. In addition, it chipped too easily. He yanked it off, and put a batwing fairing on. Much happier now.
Another friend in Jackson got into two high speed wobbles a few years apart, once in Texas and again near Mt. Shasta. ’96 FLHTCU and, if memory serves, ’04 FLHTC respectively. Both totalled. He then got a really nice FXRT and loved it. He now rides ’09 FLHTCU with stronger chassis, 6-spd, and 6gal tank debuted. It’s all good now.
I’ve ridden all over Northern CA, but never on 89 at least btw Old Station and McCloud. That road btw Somes Bar and Callahan is something else. Best done while westbound especially if there’s a cager coming in other direction.
March 12th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
sled tramp: The biggest favor I ever did my sittin’ bones with respect to riding was to get an AirHawk seat pad.
March 12th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Grumbler-
I have heard that rumor too, but no, I ride a Buell 1125R. The bike that won Daytona 200 last year. We the model that did, not the bike. 89 is a nice route, it is what i take to get to Reno. Lots of nice wide open roads, however once I say a cop out there waiting on speeders in the middle of no where. but other than that one time its been pretty baron. It’s a nice route.
as far as the RG goes, I have heard way more about speed and wind wobbles from the batwing fairing since it is mounted to the forks. The fixed fairing forces the forks down and air up over the rider. with a shorter windshield it kind of just ends up hitting you in the face though. that was my only complaint with that bike.
March 12th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
Good idea, an airbag for my ass.Since that’s generally where my brain resides…..win win!
March 13th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Anonymous – 89 btw US-395 and CA-36 is a nice ride. If Stoney’s Country Burger is still open in Quincy, stop there the next time you’re passing through for breakfast or lunch. I *think* they close at 2pm.
I attached a 1/4 cafe fairing to a ’80 Honda CB750F some 30-years-ago, and that caused mild speed wobbles at 80mph. Removed it, and bike was rock steady all the way into the triple digits.
Sucks that the MoFoCo dumped Buell. Then again, I do like the Speed Triple as a hooligan bike which is a lot more visceral than one would expect from a triple.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:22 pm
All,
Wow, why do you all spend so much time composing all these essays full of controversy and disdain for each other? Especially when the weather as been awesome for riding. Get your knees in the breeze, quit worrying about the identities of people or if you may have met me, and lastly watch whatever television show, read whatever media / government / anti-mainstream publication you want – but please make up your own mind using your own brand of logic. With that premise, we will always have disagreements among free thinkers and through disagreements we can actually, if we are willing, learn about the topic of discussion. So, to all of you that think you know the guy you are replying to on this site, go over to where the person hangs out and see them face-to-face. If you think Fish and I (skinz) are the same person, well you are absolutely incorrect. We have met and we have occassional contact due to our mutual appreciation for riding the roads of So Cal and the southwest. Those of you that get ate up over a Hollywood writer’s depiction of a fictional motorcycle club based drama on FX need to quit writing about it because any publicity is good publicity as it promotes curiosity. Just ignore it when it comes on and go for a ride instead. If you are in an MC in So Cal ask around and we will eventually cross paths and you will see that I am not Fish. I am easy to catch up with and always love a good discussion that starts with opposite opinions on a particular subject. With questioning comes an increase in knowledge.
Now get out and ride and I will see you on the road,
skinz
April 20th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Gotta keep this thread going – My name is at stake here!!
Hey Rebel – I hope all is well with you
P.S. New stories…we need new stories.
April 20th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
oops, that was hella-rude of me.
Hey Everyone (regulars) – Hope all is well with you and yours too!!
April 20th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Our host is probably at the Laughlin River Run causing mischief….
April 20th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
…or applying for a job at the Shady Lady…
April 21st, 2010 at 8:16 am
LOL
May 11th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Grumbler said, “If I was in the market for a new 2010 HD that’d rock the winding mountain and river backroads here in Idaho, the Street Bob might be it.”
from the winding roads of the Sierra Nevada mountains:
the Street Bob is it. definitely.
and it rides well up Oregon too (crater lake).
Reality King said: “. . . it must bev the dog days of winter . . . .”
heel, yeah. we had snow last night, but the sun is out now and I’m going to split some kindling. I started reading this thread and couldn’t stop. literally lol’d several times.
Mr. Rebel, I’m starting to think reading here this is the best use of my internet time. Do you make a money off of this site? If I can turn in enough aluminum cans I might like to contribute someday.
w/ appreciation to all,
willie
May 11th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
I’m there with ya Willie