The Way We Were

July 4, 2013

Editorials, Features

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.


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36 Responses to “The Way We Were”

  1. Freeman Says:

    Look at this shit:
    big brother is getting bigger by the second, TOSIAR!

  2. Phuquehed Says:

    @John Dreyfus – You haven’t got shit on seeing “…places of worship everywhere.” compared to the bible belt (I’m in W TN and an heathen atheist jew)…there’s a baptist church around every tree almost it seems here.

    As for your statement “I do somewhat agree with the idea that we should have let the south go. They are, at this time, the largest recipients of federal money, and the lowset contributors to the same.”, care to give some cites for that? Last I read somewhere IIRR, a state or two in the north or northeast and a few towards the west were actually far worse.

    Many moons ago I was taking a few courses in community college and one of the requirement courses was TN history (I chose it over ‘world history’). The professor was a liberal weenie who would have signed any bill to have the second amendment dissolved if he could, *but* he taught the true history of TN and basically of the south, for instance how the war of northern aggression wasn’t about slavery at all, etc. Needless to say his classes weren’t the most popular. Me, I ate it up and being the outgoing, naturally loud-voiced, not-afraid-to-speak-my-mind type I always stopped him if I saw him outside of the classroom just to let him know how thankful I was for his teaching the truth. It’s a rare quality, that’s for sure, and I learned long ago to appreciate it wherever I see it.

  3. Dirty Dingus McGee Says:

    @ John Dreyfus

    John sez, “I do somewhat agree with the idea that we should have let the south go. They are, at this time, the largest recipients of federal money, and the lowset contributors to the same.”

    I’m curious where you got that info? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

    A 5 minute web search turned up the following;

    But thats ok, don’t let any facts get in the way of your bias against us dumb rednecks down here. Keep living in your little world where you are the smartest person EVAH.

  4. John Dreyfus Says:

    Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

    Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

    I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789

    Thomas Jefferson was the principal author of the Declaration of Independence. He wrote a bible that removed all references to the deity of Jesus. The majority of our founding fathers were deists, their references to god was to a god of nature. Most of them would be considered atheist or agnostic. They were for the most part scientists. They were highly educated. They were nearly, to a man, vehemently opposed to combining religion with government. The king of England was also the head of the Church of England. He used this authority to rule without question. Those great men were never willing to die to replace an overseas religious potentate with a local one. The idea of basing education on religion was anathema to them.
    Our second president, John Adams, proposed a law that would make criticism of the administration an act of treason. He tried to shut down the opposition newsprinters and pamphleteers.
    After studying politics in our history, I learned that Americans have never been able to agree on anything. In the beginning the conservatives wanted to stay with England. Then when we achieved independence, they wanted to establish a monarchy to mimic their lost homeland. Every president in the meantime has been accused of every manner of crime, indolence, mental disorder, lack of intelligence, treason, conspiracy, and moral turpitude known to man. The common thread has been the never-ending excuses to expand the military and police forces to battle some common “enemy”. This war on terror that began in 2001 has had the unfortunate result of creating a militarized police nation on steroids. The fact that we have so very few actual terrorists operating locally has turned their focus on any threat percieved or real. @ Paladin, the website that printed the story you posted is by a preacher. I don’t worry about the religion of others, much like Jefferson, “it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg”. What I worry about is when people attempt to inflict religion on me. I ride around Phoenix and see places of worship everywhere. The only redeeming quality is that there are more bars in the vicinity.
    I do somewhat agree with the idea that we should have let the south go. They are, at this time, the largest recipients of federal money, and the lowset contributors to the same. The only exception was Texas until the recent hurricanes, flooding, tornado bursts, and wildfires. Not to mention the fertilizer plant that exploded and killed it’s people. Their governor was speaking openly of secession until they needed help from FEMA and the federal fire response actions.
    Our biggest problem is that if real American History were taught in schools, everyone in this country would burn the teachers in the town squares.

  5. Tooj Says:

    “This country has become a nation of the government, by the government, and for the government. Our politicians are destroying us. We need a revolt!”

    Evel Knievel, 2007 Esquire Magazine

  6. Dirty Dingus McGee Says:


    Dunno if you ever caught this album, but it’s one of my favorites.

  7. BigV Says:

    Goldsboro Williams: I did not think you were around anymore. Based on something that happened recently, I wanted to tell you that you always shared on a lot of good wisdom on here and people like you made it better a place. I wish more cops were like you in real life, hell, I wish general people were more like you in real life.

    As a wise man said in the comments of another article on here: This place works because it gave people from all areas of life a way to learn from each other.

    With my respect,

  8. Dave Says:


    I am glad to know that there are teachers who still have pride and integrity and take things that matter to heart, and then try to pass this on to our youth. I thank you not only for that but also for serving our country.

    My experiences are from my time in grade school, then later in high school, and then in college… I was fortunate to have several great teachers; Mr. Cornelius, a veteran like yourself, who ran our Chess Club and taught me about tactics and strategies while educating my on Shakespeare, and Mr. Herndon who was not only an excellent english teacher but a pastor at a local church and held a Bible study class in his room every Tuesday. And that was just high school, where my football coach was a ‘nam vet and likened our play upon the field to combat and where the band teacher held a judo class after school. Our kids won’t see these sorts today.

    Then contrast the above to that of my children who have come home asking me why did I say this when the teacher said that such-n-such is what “really” happened. It was damn frustrating and I spent too many days up at my kid’s school asking the people in charge why my first grader was being taught that George Bush wanted to kill him and that the Bible was ‘a book written to fool idiots’. I have, probably mistakenly, assumed that since that time nothing has changed. Perhaps not in the schools near me, perhaps so.

    I know one thing: It’s a delicate, precious thing to educate a child in a time when the line between right and wrong is blurred more every day.


  9. RVN69 Says:

    To all my fellow Rebel’s

    We were beaten,never defeated,the South will rise again

  10. BadMagic Says:


    I’ll bite. What are the arms of his chair? Whipping posts?

    I didn’t find any myth(s) about them. There were the ASL “A” & “L” in his hands. Face in the back of the head. Miss spelled words…


  11. Squirts Says:

    With respect, I have to disagree with the “Teachers today are contemptuous of the Constitution, even telling our children it’s outdated and needs to be revised.” line. I’m a male, a veteran, a biker, and a teacher.
    Generally speaking, your comment may have traction in today’s “teach to the test” style of public education, but I (and some I know) work very hard to portray a “truthful” representation of history and of future events relative to events of the past. (Of course, one man’s truth is another man’s lie, but I digress). If I had my wish, there would be more males, more veterans and more patriots in education. Before any female readers jump my shit, my advocacy for more males has nothing to do with your gender but with the fact that way too many kids are being raised without positive male role models in their lives.
    I am impressed with the overall level of knowledge found in this forum concerning “Honest” Abe. I have had similar debates with colleagues about Lincoln’s actions and his “true” reasons for pressing the South. Arguing against societal icons (such as Lincoln) is akin to arguing against a supreme being with most folks. It creates such a cognitive dissonance that they are incapable of rationally understanding information (regardless of “truth”) because it is in such direct contradiction to what they “know” that it creates a negative physical and mental response.
    I am proud to be an American but I’m no fool. Our government is as corrupt and manipulative today as it has ever been and should the hot, bright lights of the local/state/federal paramilitary fall on me for my “radical” beliefs I have no illusions that I’ll be branded a scourge and carted off to one of America’s “for profit” gulags. Until then, I’ll continue to teach as truthfully as I can.
    What others reading my rant can do is continue to make rational arguments based in fact whenever the opportunity arises. American sheeple have been exposed to decades of “brain washing” for lack of a better term, and are loathe to accept new information. We are living in a “Jerry Springer world” where “truth” is nothing more than lighlty veiled opinion and our leaders have forgotten their roles, instead enjoying the moronic chant of “Jer-ree, Jer-ree, Jer-ree” as they recount their most recent sexually inappropriate liaison with their incredibly young male or female Paige. Respects and take care out there, Squirts

  12. Goldsboro Williams Says:


    Yeah, Lincoln was good at that. Take a look at the Emancipation Proclamation sometime. He didn’t actually free a single slave. He only ‘freed’ slaves in areas where he had no control. Slaves in areas of Federal control remained slaves. He was hoping to start a race war in the South. As far as his monument goes, take a gander at the arms of his chair… I think it will give you a chuckle.


  13. Dave Says:

    When I went to high school (there were no ‘middle schools’ back then), we were taught and tested on the Declaration of Indepedence and the Constitution. Our teachers held these documents as sacred as the Holy Bible and their respect for them passed to us.

    I don’t like what’s changed in the 30+ years since I went to high school.

    Teachers today are contemptuous of the Constitution, even telling our children it’s outdated and needs to be revised. And the kids come out thinking there’s a need for a new Declaration, one where those who have taken thanklessly may declare those who gave thoughtlessly as criminals. And they’ve already outlawed the Bible.

  14. Glenn S. Says:

    Matt, I just don’t get the reasoning I’ve read in the media–that if he were truly a legitimate whistleblower he would have surrendered to the government and “faced the consequences” rather than go on the run. Seems obvious, given the government’s conduct, generally, that: Reasonable bail would not be set. He would not receive the benefits of due process of law, a fast and speedy trial, the right to confront witnesses against him, of an open trial. His right to counsel of his choice would likely be subject to governmental approval. Worst case scenario would be for the government to declare him an enemy combatant and disappear him. There’s apparently enough legal pretext (NDAA of 2011) to allow this. They might have already done so, since nobody has seen or heard from him in awhile.

    I think this is the definitive civil rights case of current events and have used this topic to comment on it despite the fact that this site usually does not explore civil rights issues outside the biker lifestyle. It is my belief that solutions to the issues of totalitarian government will have to be bigger than bikers, bigger than any one subculture of Americans.

  15. Matt Says:

    Glen S. – I like your comments about Snowden. So far, from what I know about now, it seems like Snowden is a true “hero” for exposing what many suspected was going on. In today’s day and age, of course it makes sense for him to go on the run. I can’t believe that some people don’t get that if he hadn’t run, he’d be put in a place that I can’t imagine. I doubt it would be the hole that guys in the can know of. It would be far worse.

  16. Paladin Says:

    As reported by Cory Kilgus;

    ..72 killed resisting gun confiscation in Boston!
    Boston – National Guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned assault weapons were ambushed by elements of a Para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.

    Speaking after the clash, Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage declared that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement.

    Gage blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed against internal revenue offices. The governor, who described the group’s organizers as “criminals,” issued an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered with the government’s efforts to secure law and order.

    The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed wide-spread refusal by the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed assault weapons.
    Gage issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and ammunition earlier in the week. This decision followed a meeting in early this month between government and military leaders at which the governor authorized the forcible confiscation of illegal arms.

    One government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, pointed out that “none of these people would have been killed had the extremists obeyed the law and turned over their weapons voluntarily.”
    Government troops initially succeeded in confiscating a large supply of outlawed weapons and ammunition. However, troops attempting to seize arms and ammunition in Lexington met with resistance from heavily-armed extremists who had been tipped off regarding the government’s plans.
    During a tense standoff in the Lexington town park, National Guard Colonel Francis Smith, commander of the government operation, ordered the armed group to surrender and return to their homes. The impasse was broken by a single shot, which was reportedly fired by one of the right-wing extremists.

    Eight civilians were killed in the ensuing exchange.
    Ironically, the local citizenry blamed government forces rather than the extremists for the civilian deaths. Before order could be restored, armed citizens from surrounding areas had descended upon the guard units. Colonel Smith, finding his forces over matched by the armed mob, ordered a retreat.

    Governor Gage has called upon citizens to support the state/national joint task force in its effort to restore law and order. The governor also demanded the surrender of those responsible for planning and leading the attack against the government troops.

    Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and John Hancock, who have been identified as “ringleaders” of the extremist faction, remain at large.
    And this fellow Americans, is how the American Revolution began, April 20, 1775.

    On July 4th, 1776 these same extremists signed the Declaration of Independence, pledging to each other and their countrymen their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. Many of them lost everything, including their families and their lives over the course of the next few years.
    Lest we forget…

    Long May You Ride (to those that deserve to),


  17. RLG Says:

    In the past, just the threat of a Constitutional amendment by the states has brought our Congress-critters to heel.

    There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root

  18. Glenn S. Says:

    It took me a long time to realize that I could be a proud American who despises the government and not be a hypocrite.

  19. Va. Bob Says:

    glad to see there aren’t a bunch of Dishonest Abe apologists on this blog,the fuckin’ war criminal.

  20. swampy Says:

    “Let the South go? Let the South go! Where then shall we get our revenues!” – Abraham Lincoln

  21. Stevo Says:

    Big V-

    Every time I read something you’ve written I think-boy would I like to buy that man a beer.



  22. Tooj Says:

    Unfortunately, most folks didn’t have the attention span or the upbringing to question what they are told. Worst of it is, rather than the actual issues be addressed we STILL talk about North vs. South. Do you think that half of those boys on either side knew of the political shenanigans?

    So, until the attention span of the average American goes past looking at postcards of the Lincoln Memorial…

    Ask any person on the street “Who were the five greatest presidents?” This is how propaganda works, right?

  23. BigV Says:

    Lincoln was a treasonous, evil, butchering tyrant who held everything about freedom in disdain and set in motion the institutions of enslavement that effect all mankind today.

    Lincoln is the only President to have performed outright, blatant, public treason. As Maryland was preparing for succession, he ordered the Armed Forces of the United States to attack and murder United States citizens who were exercising their constitutional rights to assemble, associate, and vote. If you read what treason is, one of the few things that is treasonous for our leaders is the attack on United States citizens. Maryland had yet to secede, and besides, that didn’t matter- per Lincoln, and later per the US Supreme Court in Texas v. White, succession was “illegal” and not possible, so any way you slice it- Lincoln committed treason by using the Armed Forces to attack and kill the US citizens of Maryland.

    Lincoln was one of the worst racists of the era, if you read his personal papers and letters- he believed in the very worst concepts of race and hatred.

    Lincoln was a tyrant who believed the common man was unable to self govern, unable to self determine, and he believed more in his own power than in the inalienable right of men to self determine whom will govern and how they will be governed.

    He was a blood thirsty monster who did not want peace, he did not want freedom- he wanted the tariff revenues to build his precious North and Midwest at the expense of the South, which was the only region to really export and the only region to really be affected by Lincoln’s return to the Tariff of Abominations.

    Lincoln (1) offered to give the South slavery in perpetuity, including an Amendment to explicitly legalize it- read his inaugural address, campaign speeches of 1858/1859/1860 and personal correspondence. Lincoln (2) could have avoided the war and avoided succession by backing off on the reinstatement on the Tariff of the abominations- he refused.

    The Tariff was the issue of 1860 and the only exporter region was the South which had remained agrarian, and with a huge tariff on imports from Europe- what would the Europeans do to the imported tobacco, grains, whiskey, and cotton that came from the South ? They had openly said they would respond in kind and do all they could to repay the United States government in kind, through a tariff on imported goods from the U.S. The European Response Tariff would have crippled the South. Lincoln said tough shit, boys.


    You want taxation without representation ? Well, we have it today. Who planted the seeds of the modern income tax, who introduced the US Federal Government to their fiscal heroin habit ? What President initiated the 1st Income tax ? L-I-N-C-O-L-N.

    Lincoln had to have an income tax to cover his ass and the bets he had made during the war, those bets that had left the US Government with one the worst all time deficits, and which had left the coffers he had hoped to line barren and destitute.

    Even though Lincoln’s income tax was later struck down as Unconstitutional, the 16th Amendment- which was improperly ratified to begin with- came out of the ashes of Lincoln’s income tax and it has enslaved us to this.

    TOSIAR !

    Long May Lincoln and His Ilk Burn in Hell(They Deserve It)

    Sic Semper Tyrannis.

  24. Glenn S. Says:

    Mike 184 said: “What I don’t like is when you start to realize that many of the things that WE as a people listed on our Declaration of Independence as reasons for seceeding from Britain are all now common place here in the States right now.”

    The worst excesses of the British, circa 1776, have become routine practices of the US government in 2013. Home invasions by law enforcement, killing people under pretext, no legal remedies because the courts generally rubber stamp government lawbreaking while throwing away the key when individuals break the more petty laws, big brother surveillance, round after round of tough new laws in the name of national security, I could go on.

    I’ve been keeping up with the Edward Snowden case (and find it ironic and a goddamn shame that the best media coverage comes from a British media outlet). This issue seems to be the best widely-held debate going on right now about government vs. freedom. (Yes, the government vs. motorcycle clubs illustrates the worst practices of the government, but if someone is not a biker, he generally remains willfully ignorant, exposed only to the government’s version of events and believing that the streets are safer with the bad ol’ bikers in prison.) With Snowden, you have a guy that was a well paid employee of the totalitarian government, clean cut and coming from middle America, shacked up with a pole dancer in Hawaii, earning better than most of us, legal or illegal, comfortable future assured, and he gives it up to tell us all what the government is doing and is capable of. And he (wisely, IMHO) gets the fuck outta Dodge. Predictably, the politicians call him a traitor. And even the most sympathetic voices in the media criticize him for going on the run, comparing him unfavorably to Martin Luther King, who went to jail and wrote Letters From the Birmingham Jail.

    It occurs to me that if Snowden emulated King, there would be no “Letters From the Federal Supermax” (or military brig) because they’d bury him so deep that his words would be confined with him, in the name of national security. Some judge would issue a gag order, his mail and lawyer would be censored, and he’d be driven insane in the hole while awaiting trial so that he wouldn’t be able to properly articulate his case by the time he saw an open court, if he ever did. I’ve been in various holes and I can’t see spending months and years there and then emerging, sharp as a tack, to defend myself in court. The hole fucks with the mind bad. They wouldn’t leave it to chance with Snowden either. They’d fuck with him bad.

    I agree with Sieg when he says TOSAIR. But I don’t think American bikers are enough to do it; the numbers and resources don’t match. And I’m concerned that the political system would just come up with another version of totalitarianism, maybe a religious theocracy or oligarchy under the guise of a libertarian government. Me, I like the rational anarchy concept, but I don’t see the sheep supporting it and things won’t change without a lot of sheep waking up to some extent.

  25. RVN69 Says:

    @Phuquehead, Sad to say many, even some born and raised in the South are products of our public school indoctrination and really don’t know about their true heritage. We must never forget our true Southern Heritage and must fight to keep it alive.

    Anyone who wants a different and I would say true picture of Abraham Lincoln should look up the Maryland State song, the full version. It was written I believe in 1860 or 61 and look to how that state was invaded by northern troops, anyone who spoke in favor of secession was incarcerated without charge. When they finally voted on the bill of secession they did so while each vote cast by the legislature was observed by union troops with fixed bayonets, hardly a free vote. In Baltimore Maryland is a place called Artillery hill after the batteries of union guns placed there to supress the citizens.

  26. Mike 184 Says:

    I love reading that. What I don’t like is when you start to realize that many of the things that WE as a people listed on our Declaration of Independence as reasons for seceeding from Britain are all now common place here in the States right now. It seems damned near every item on the list is something that we are being forced to deal with every day….

    Semper Fi…………..

  27. Phuquehed Says:

    @RVN69 – I’m glad I’m not the only one who always seems to have to bring that up in these kinds of conversations.

  28. Paladin Says:

    As the Democrats move further to the left and the Republicans to the right. I think we’ll see the Libertarians gain a lot of traction in the near future. I don’t think it’s too big a streach to envision the Libertatian Party replacing the Republican Party.

    I think the above is the only real practical “revolution” in the offing. Civllians have plenty of firearms, but the majority lack training and even more lack any sort of conviction to stand their ground for much of anything. So, the thought of fighting for something less tangible than the latest and greatest material possession would seem abhorrent to most of them.

    Long may You Ride (to those that deserve to),


  29. Sieg Says:

    “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”

    Worth repeating again.


    The hour is getting late.



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  30. Freeman Says:

    Sorry to butt in, me not being from the states and all.

    But politician are the single worst lying sob the earth as ever bared!
    they are the forefathers of rats everywhere.

    wwII income tax was installed, it was suppose to be temporary until the war was over, still in effect and year after year still rising.

    A tax over here was invented in the 80’s that’s called g.s.t at federal level, provincial not to be outdone put out t.v.q. BOTH where supposed to be temporary (to shove down the throat of the majority more easily)

    Result in 2013 the tax as risen an astounding 50% in 20 years and the income tax 80%, give them an inch, they will find a way to hang you with it.The only services they give me is the asphalts thats been laid down half assed, and the school for my kids, i rely on them for nothing else.

    Thats why i invested everything i had, sold my bike to buy the house i live in and renovate it, if you live in a house that is your main domicile for 2 years, whatever money you make when you sell it is not imposed, they cant collect shit on your gain, il be a nomad for the next ten years, fuck’em!

    Know the rules before you break’em.

  31. RVN69 Says:

    Mr Lincoln gave a great memorable speech at Gettysburg. The most memorable part to me is the fact that he spoke so elequently about a “Nation of the people, by the people and for the people” at a field where his army had just killed thousands of free citizens of the Confederate States who were attempting to form such a government seperate from him and his centralized federal government.

    Potius mori quam foedari

  32. DocB Says:

    –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

    Worth repeating

  33. VINCE 1%er Says:

    For those who Fight For It ( and Those who’ve Fought For It ) Life,liberty,Happiness and Freedom have a Flavor that the Sheltered never know.
    I Want to wish REBEL and Everyone else here a GOOD Safe and Fun Filled 4th of July-IDEPENDENCE DAY.

  34. Paladin Says:

    Lincoln said:

    — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

    What the members of the United States Congress say:

    — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of opression — and that government over the people, by the elite, for the elite, shall not perish from the earth.

    Long May You Ride (to those that deserve to),


  35. Snow Says:

    The America of the founding fathers has long since been corrupted by worthless politicians. What we currently have, and I don’t mean just the current administration, is an embarrassment, self-serving idiots who make a career of what should be a non-paying term of service, they take taxpayed vacations and vote themselves raises for fucking up while making themselves untouchable and unaccountable for their actions.
    I truly love the principles our country was founded on, unfortunately those principles are long gone. Love my country, hate the government should be a battle cry towards reform.
    TOSIAR, Happy Independence Day.

    Much respect and best wishes sent to Rebel and the regulars, Snow.

  36. RVN69 Says:

    As Seig has said, “The only solution is another Revolution” or as we once refered to it around here as “Our second War of Independance.” We did not fare so well in that endeavor, but I believe that eventually the part of the country that is paying for the other part not to work, or to receive outrageous government salaries with virtually no chance of ever being fired, will move to seperate itself from that portion and rule by it’s citizens wishes, not the wishes of the “Washington Elite”, this will be our Third War of Independence and I think the results may differ this time.

    Given the current quality of the politicians in Washington who represent!??! us, does anybody think that the above document would have been produced? I can only think of one former politician who I believe would sign it, Allen West, maybe of current politicians Ted Cruz and Trey Goudy would maybe.

    Fuck it Remember the real reason for Independence Day!

    Semper Fi. Love my country, Hate my Government.

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