The New Jersey State Police were founded in 1921 by Colonel Norman Schwarzkopf, Sr., the father of the late war hero Stormin’ Norman. The senior Schwarzkopf was a conservative man who thought human rights should take a back seat to law and order. After rising to the rank of Brigadier in World War he worked for the Shah of Iran organizing and training the dreaded SAVAK – which is an acronym for a mouthful of unpronounceable Farsi that translates as the National Organization for Intelligence and Security.
SAVAK is the reason the religious loonies took over Iran. SAVAK epitomizes why the Middle East is now such a mess. SAVAK used specially trained “rapist dogs” in its “enhanced interrogations.” Fathers who did not respond to torture were forced to watch their children and wives raped by trained dogs day after day. SAVAK is one of many examples of what happens when the police are allowed to do whatever they think they need to do. And now, decades later, the New Jersey State Police are officially allowed to do whatever they think they need to do and a New Jersey Deputy Attorney General named Roshan D. Shah is keeping that old Schwarzkopf spirit alive in a civil rights lawsuit titled James Coles et al. v. Nicholas Carlini et al. You can read The Aging Rebel’s last story about this suit here.
Punishment By Traffic Stop
The suit was filed by three men named James Coles, Joseph Ballinger and Louis C. Degailler in November 2010. All three are now members of the Pagans. They and three other men including members of the Tribe Motorcycle Club were on their way to a charity fundraiser for a sick child when they were stopped by New Jersey State Police under the direction of State Trooper Nicholas Carlini. Much of the stop was recorded on a police dash camera. And, the stop was unmistakably intended to harass and intimidate the six men as a form of extra-judicial punishment because they belonged to motorcycle clubs – which technically, as a matter of fact, remains a Constitutionally protected right.
Cops play this cat and mouse game with bikers every day.
Chuck Schoville, the brainless buffoon who leads the International Outlaw Motorcycle Gang Investigator’s Association, made a frank admission to the National Geographic Channel about how and why cops harass members of motorcycle clubs a few years ago in a show about the corrupt undercover investigation to “get” the Hells Angels in Arizona. That investigation later became part of a mostly mythical adventure code-named Operation Black Biscuit. The criminal case that followed failed to prove anything about the Arizona Angels except that they are actually not that criminal. But Schoville bragged on television that the operation was successful because it punished club members even if they weren’t guilty of anything.
“Maybe the outcome wasn’t the desired outcome.” Schoville explained. “But there’s kinda two outcomes. There’s the outcome you read about in the newspaper and that is the prison sentences and some of the dismissals. But, there was also the outcome that you see on the streets. We got Hells Angels that all of a sudden decide, ‘You know that’s not the lifestyle for me and they’re leavin’ the club. It feels like a game of cat and mouse.”
Lying, Bullying Cops
Most cops do not now, and may never have, seen themselves as agents of the law. Cops see themselves as good guys who are empowered to “get bad guys” by any means necessary. Cops decide who is good and who is bad by relying on their “experience and training,” as they usually say in court, and the smirking fool Schoville is one of their many trainers. In general, most people who experience street justice understand why so many police victims see cops as lying bullies.
Lying, bullying police are much more of a threat to the Republic than distant and largely imaginary terrorists. Their insults range from petty to grievous and their victims include suburban mommies who make rolling stops, disgruntled veterans, executive trainees who surf the net for porn, black and Latin teenagers, dissenters representing all the wavelengths of the American political spectrum and, of course, motorcycle outlaws. Police are the enforcers of social control which is the opposite of freedom which has always been the secret of America’s invincibility. The more lying, bullying police assert their authority the weaker America becomes.
Most victims of police bullying are shamed into silent acquiescence. The three Pagans fought back in federal court. The state of New Jersey has more than four hundred attorneys to fight the lawsuit. An Assistant Attorney General named Roshan D. Shah is the tip of that spear. The three Pagans are represented by a guy named Boyd Spencer.
The case overflows with motions and thousands and thousands of words. If it ever goes to trial the presiding judge will be Jerome B. Simandle. In the meantime, many of the motions are being handled and mishandled by a federal magistrate in Camden named Ann Marie Donio. Here is some of what has been happening in the case in the last two months.
The Video
New Jersey’s Shah has disputed the authenticity of the video of the stop. The video, a still from the recording illustrates this story, is actually incomplete. A previous federal consent decree compelled Trooper Carlini to turn on his dash cam when he turned on his light bar so a record would exist of whether the stop was justified or not. Trooper Carlini didn’t turn on his camera until he got out of his car but Shah has no problem with that. He objects to another alteration.
The original recording was on VHS. In order to play the video in court Spencer had the footage ported over to a Digital Video Disc. Spencer carefully documented every step of the process but Shah still objected that the evidence might have been “altered.”
He wrote: “The original videotape of the incident speaks for itself. Answering Defendants reserve the right to authenticate the video attached as Exhibit A, as well as the right to verify the accuracy of its timestamp and amplify its sound. Without such authentication and testing, Answering Defendants must deny the allegations….”
Shah’s objection was entirely gamesmanship. In a previous motion he had written: “the MVR (mobile video/audio recording) is properly considered by the Court…because it is undisputedly authentic and integral to the Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint, which relies on it extensively.”
Donio, the Camden Federal Magistrate, didn’t want to rule on the authenticity of the DVD. “Why would I deem it authentic today, in the nature of this proceeding,” she asked. “What would be the benefit or detriment to that? Isn’t it evidence that will be presented and admitted in an appropriate trial and why do we need to address the authenticity of what the recording is today?”
Eventually she agreed with Shah that the DVD was not a “true, correct, accurate and admissible transcription and copy of the original VHS videotape recording.”
In a Memorandum Opinion filed last December 14, Simandle “affirmed” Donio’s ruling. Then wrote: “In light of the agreement of both sides during briefing of this motion that the videotape exhibit is authentic, the Court will deem the exhibit as having been authenticated under Rules 901, et seq., Fed. R. Evid. Its admissibility at trial will thus depend on either the parties’ stipulation of admissibility or upon Plaintiffs’ showing under the relevant exception(s) to the hearsay rules in Ruls 801-803, Fed. R. Evid., and the accompanying Order will also so provide.”
The Injunction
As part of their lawsuit Coles, Ballinger and Degailler seek an injunction:
a. Against all Defendants not to infringe in any manner against the Constitutional Right of members of motorcycle clubs to wear collective membership marks or colors.
b. Adopting and extending those parts of the injunction entered by Judge Cooper in USA v. State of New Jersey, Civil No. 99-5970, U.S.D.C. for the District of New Jersey which requires the video and audio recording of all traffic stops by the New Jersey State Police.
c. Restraining all Defendants from ordering, compelling, bullying, requesting, coercing, or threatening a member of a motorcycle club to remove clothing that bears their motorcycle club collective membership mark or colors.
d. Restraining all Defendants from retaliating against members of motorcycle clubs for wearing club collectible membership marks or colors.
e. Restraining all Defendants from making investigatory traffic stops of citizens wearing collective membership marks or colors unless there is reasonable suspicion of a violation of the motor vehicle code or an illegal activity.
f. Restraining all Defendants from profiling motorcyclists who wears collective membership marks or colors.
g. Restraining all Defendants from issuing a summons for wearing an improper helmet for a motorcycle without an inspection of the helmet.
h. Restraining all Defendants from issuing a summons for an offense not possibly committed by a motorcyclist, specifically, wearing an improper helmet for a motorized bicycle.
i. Restraining all Defendants from detaining groups of motorcyclists for want and warrant checks when the time for multiple want and warrant checks requires multiple citizens to await the want and warrant checks on the other citizens.
j. Requiring all Defendants to expedite any traffic stop, to only make multiple want and warrant checks when some reasonable suspicion exits for the warrant checks for specific individuals, and not to extend the traffic stop in order to punish, harass, demean, discriminate, intimidate, punish, humiliate or embarrass motorcycle club members.
k. Requiring all Defendants that when stopping motorcyclists as a group that those citizens who stop at the direction of the State Police, but for whom there is no reasonable suspicion of a traffic violation or criminal activity, that said motorcyclists must be released from arrest and seizure, and be told that they are free to go.
I. Restraining all Defendants from impounding an insured, registered, and otherwise street legal motorcycle, which is legally parked, due to a separate traffic offense by the owner.
m. Restraining all Defendants from threatening collateral prosecution in order to coerce citizens to remove their collective membership marks or colors.
n. Restraining all Defendants from issuing a summons for a motorcycle helmet violation, without probable cause, or an inspection of the helmet.
o. Restraining all Defendants from issuing a summons for an offense not possibly committed by a motorcyclist, specifically, wearing an improper helmet for a motorized bicycle.
Bikers Are Bad Guys
New Jersey thinks the injunction is dangerous to lying and bullying police.
Shah, and his hundreds of imps, have spent much of the last two years portraying the three Pagans as enemies of general society and a real and constant danger to police everywhere. The proof for these allegations basically comprises often erroneous news accounts based on police announcements and boilerplate statements coerced out of federal defendants in plea and sentencing agreements.
So, for example, Shah argues that Carlini was not trying to give the men he stopped a hard time. Instead, “The Pagans and Tribe are violent criminal enterprises and it is reasonable for police officers to take heightened security precautions when encountering them during traffic stops, including ensuring sufficient backup, and ensuring that sufficient officers are present to watch theirmovements at all times. As described below, law enforcement officers have been killed during routine traffic stops involving these groups. Joining these clubs necessarily entails engaging in certain criminal activities. This is especially important in this case due to the presence of the prospect, Robert Fleming. The violent hostility of these groups to African-Americans poses a threat to African-American officers, such as Trooper Manuel in this case, thereby requiring heightened caution. The so-called ‘charity event’ the plaintiffs claim they sought to attend was a cover for racketeering activity, including illegal gambling similar to that subject to the mass criminal prosecution of the Pagan’s leadership in West Virginia.”
In statements like these it is difficult to tell whether Shah is simply a liar and a cheat of if he is actually very stupid. The “illegal gambling” he references in the West Virginia case refers to a fund raising motorcycle raffle. The Pagans accused of that crime pled guilty to a misdemeanor and were fined five dollars each.
Shah rants on that the Pagans and the Tribe are very bad men. Then he cites as proof unsubstantiated allegations made by the National Gang Intelligence Center, the Philadelphia Inquirer, a 1997 New York Times story about a Warlock named Robert “Mudman” Simon, a 1998 story in the Newark Star-Ledger, the boiler plate in former Pagan President Floyd Moore’s plea and sentencing agreement and an ATF press release.
The Pagans Patch
Shah displays either breath taking mendacity or utter ignorance of the law when he alleges that in the West Virginia case the Pagans forfeited their colors to the United States. The attempt to seize the club’s colors in that case was part of a wide sweeping and unconstitutional attempt to eliminate motorcycle clubs by seizing their indicators of membership, that is the words and patches members wear on their backs. Shah argues that Floyd Moore trademarked the Pagans patch and then forfeited it to the government as part of his plea deal.
The Department of Justice originally tried that tactic with the Mongols in the case U.S. v. Cavazos et al. Then Mongols President Ruben “Doc” Cavazos had done the same thing Moore did. Cavazos probably told Moore to do it. Then Cavazos assigned the trademarks for the Mongols insignia to his own corporation. But four and a half years ago the late Florence Marie Cooper, who presided over that case until she died, ruled that even though Cavazos trademarked the club’s insignia he never owned it and never could. Even students at third-rate law schools should know that a trademark is not proof of ownership but a claim of ownership.
Neither Cavazos nor Moore ever owned the insignia they gave to the feds because motorcycle club patches are “collective membership marks” in exactly the same way that the Christian Cross and the Star of David are collective membership marks. The Pagans marks are Constitutionally protected speech in the same way that other symbols like the Confederate battle flag are Constitutionally protected expression.
But Shah, and New Jersey, continue to insist “the logo mark is indisputably the property of the United States.”
Let’s Go Fishing
Shah has also decided to use the lawsuit as an unprecedented excuse to gather intelligence about the Pagans Motorcycle Club which is not even a party to the suit. Among much else, New Jersey is demanding:
“All documents relating to your relationship with the Pagan’s Motorcycle Club (hereinafter ‘Pagan’), including but not limited to documents relating to: Your recruitment; offer you received to join the Pagans; your acceptance of that offer; maintaining status as a member of the Pagans; and correspondence (including e-mails) from or to Pagans members or leaders from the last 5 years, regardless of whether such correspondence was directed to you.
“All documents relating to the Pagans and their operations, including but not limited to the Pagans: Organizational structure; organizational bylaws; member rulebooks, guidebooks, manuals or other documents relating to the rules and procedures members are expected to follow; membership lists or other documents showing who is a member of the Pagans; and minutes of chapter meetings from the date of the first time you allege being stopped by law enforcement for wearing club colors through the present date.
“All bank or credit union account statements and credit card statements, for the period between and including July 30, 2009 and October 14, 2009.
“All documents pertaining to any other legal action – whether in civil court, criminal court, probate court, or family court – in which you were a party, including the pleadings, discovery, deposition or trial transcripts, settlement documents, court orders and decrees, releases, and stipulations of dismissal.
“All medical records from January 1, 2005, through the present date.
“All documents relating to the event at the Woodshed Beef and Beer on the evening of July 30, 2009.”
Spencer replied to New Jersey’s demands by stating the obvious:
“The real purpose of defendants’ extensive and intrusive request for production of documents is to further harass these plaintiffs and continue the insults that they received at the side of the road into the courthouse. The message is that if you sue us, we will turn your suit into a criminal investigation of yourselves, and the motorcycle club to which you belong. We have trampled your constitutional rights, and will justify it by demeaning, humiliating, and insulting the motorcycle clubs to which you belong. We will ignore your first amendment rights to associate in the courthouse in the same manner that we did at the traffic stop. We will not only delve into the irrelevant workings of the club in which you belong, but will fish through every aspect of your personal life so that the trauma filing a civil rights action approaches the trauma you received on July 30, 2009. Defendants’ goal is not for civil discovery, but to intimidate and investigate.”
The case isn’t even close to trial.
February 6th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Or as I like to call it, “The Peoples Republic of New Jersey”.
February 6th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
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February 7th, 2013 at 1:52 am
That Shaw faggot is *BOTH* stupid and a liar. He has to cheat, steal and lie to get anything done which proves the piece of shit was something found at the bottom of the class barrel and probably has a cunt of a wife he can’t trust while his back is turned so he takes it out on all those who he thinks are fucking her behind his back. What a fucking pussy. His daughter has bigger balls than he does and he deserves nothing less to happen to him than his wife catch aids from some illegal alien and give it to him later that night and they both croak from it as quickly as possible.
February 7th, 2013 at 6:26 am
I wish my Brothers good luck and hope they can break one off in the shaw’s ass.If the pigs get away with this bullshit it won’t be long till everyone wearing a patch will be fucked too.
Hose-a 1%er Pagan’s M.C. Retired F.T.F. F.T.P. AND THE SHAW
February 7th, 2013 at 6:55 am
I live in this fuckbag of a shithole state. it is every word as bad as everyone says it is. the cops think they are the SS of the garden state parkway. they like to think there is a film crew and eye of the tiger playing in the background. the way they swagger up to you at a routine traffic stop.
I lived in the city of fair lawn for a little while, there was an alleged pipe bomb thrown at a house here, and it supposedly had ties with a club known to the area. well fuck me running. everyone on two wheels with so much as a HOG patch on their cut, was getting pulled over for anything. i got pulled over 3 times in 5 days, twice by the same cop. bars too high, bars too low, you’re too fat, you’re too tall, your bike is dirty, a cat died here 3 years ago what do you know about it, what does that patch mean, what gang are you in in, what does that mean? all just trying to get to work to punch a fucking clock.
this state is the biggest communist copy i have ever witnessed.
all my respects to the PMC’ers, hope this all turns out for you. See y’all out there.
February 7th, 2013 at 7:28 am
Wow… can you imagine the outcry if the state was being sued because they were harassing Muslims or Jews, and the state demanded to see their medical records, bank statements, and all correspondence related to their voluntary association with the group to which they belong?
Amazing.
February 7th, 2013 at 9:03 am
yeah, the right to free association, my ass, not in jersey.
February 7th, 2013 at 9:05 am
yeah, the right to free association, my ass, not in jersey.
February 7th, 2013 at 11:37 am
“The Peoples Republic of New Jersy”. Thats good Frequent Flyer
Believe this Shah and staff should give the psychopathic list I posted earlier on the IO thread a look.
All jokes aside, hope for a good outcome for people jammed up by these ass hats.
Stand tall & keep on swinging.
February 7th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
I was recently pulled over down in the shore area, no moving violation but OK, my pipes are too loud, bars too high and helmet too thin, whatever… but this elitist prick was hell bent on busting my balls for not running turn signals even though they’re not required on bikes by the state… that’s what we’re dealing with…
February 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
@Salty,
I had a friend killed on his bike this past summer stopped on a country road waiting to turn left into his farm driveway and got slammed into by some cunt in a cage talking on her cell phone. Her lawyer, whom she worked for, brought up that his bike didn’t have turn signals and she got away with vehicular homicide. I guess she would have seen him if he had his arm out. Coincidentally, he now rests in the same cemetery as Monte Mathias.
RIP Sam Munz
L&R,
warthog
FTP FTF FTW
February 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Got a state where all the cities are run by street gangs, Camden leads the COUNTRY in murders year after year, and the state police and the Atty Generals office choose to waste time, money, and effort on stupid shit like this!! I keep telling myself I gotta move, but I guess I’m too stupid to listen.
FIGHT ON BROTHERS
February 7th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
New Jersey!??? …never had a good experience there. Been there many many times. Just one group of men trying to control another (like in all states). -Junior
February 7th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Pig pen-
Yeah sounds about right. Don’t forget the two asshats un the STOLEN lamborghini tearin ass down the turnnpike (parkway?) A few years ago. Driver wrecked and killed the porker riding shotgun and if memory serves,no charges were filed. New jersey is the armpit of america… Get me the fuck outa this hellhole. Don’t get me started on local pork…
Respects,
Caretaker
February 7th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
I can remember saying something to a friend back in high school after I’d seen a picture of NJ pigs how the uniforms looked like they were copied straight from Hitler’s pigs and gestapo. They still do, almost as if whoever is in charge of such shit thinks the world of that little asshat.
February 7th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
I agree. Those NJ trooper assholes must get off on those jack booted nazi SS uniforms. Id even bet the whole lot of em just like to pose in their boots and whatever the fuck that band is called strapped cross their chests and whack off in some S&M club……..These guys in Jersey take the ribbon for being bonafide first class assholes and arrogant pricks. theres a reason why cops hang out in cop bars and with each other cuz if these assholes ever come into a civie bar to toss a few they’d probably get the ever livin mutha shit kicked outta them……Id rather shit in my home state of NY then piss on a jersey shrub.
February 7th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Warthog, haven’t heard any mention of Monte in years…Friend of yours? No big thing, just wondering-you must be an old fart too!
FTF/FTP
TOSIAR
5 to 1
SYLO
February 7th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Phuquehed,
The SS took their uniform idea from the Massachusetts staties, I’m sure that there must have been some talk back and forth, as we ended up with some of adolph’s laws with a few changes enacted here.
February 7th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
“The real purpose of defendants’ extensive and intrusive request for production of documents is to further harass these plaintiffs and continue the insults that they received at the side of the road into the courthouse. The message is that if you sue us, we will turn your suit into a criminal investigation of yourselves, and the motorcycle club to which you belong. We have trampled your constitutional rights, and will justify it by demeaning, humiliating, and insulting the motorcycle clubs to which you belong. We will ignore your first amendment rights to associate in the courthouse in the same manner that we did at the traffic stop. We will not only delve into the irrelevant workings of the club in which you belong, but will fish through every aspect of your personal life so that the trauma filing a civil rights action approaches the trauma you received on July 30, 2009. Defendants’ goal is not for civil discovery, but to intimidate and investigate.”
The above paragraph says it all,the goal of all investigations is not to actually investigate anything, it is to be used as a platform to launch extrajudicial punishment.
Fuck the Police, Fuck the Feds, All Cops are Bastards. There is no justice, there is only “Just Us”
Never Forget Derek Hale, James Hicks, Charles Nichols, Russell Doza and all others murdered by law enforcement.
February 7th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
[B]So, for example, Shah argues that Carlini was not trying to give the men he stopped a hard time. Instead, “The Pagans and Tribe are violent criminal enterprises and it is reasonable for police officers to take heightened security precautions when encountering them during traffic stops, including ensuring sufficient backup, and ensuring that sufficient officers are present to watch theirmovements at all times. As described below, law enforcement officers have been killed during routine traffic stops involving these groups.[/B]
This logic is so absurd on so many levels I don’t even know where to start with a response. So what this SAVAK or Muslim Brotherhood I don’t know WTF he is Shah is saying that ok so LEO’s have been killed after pulling people over who are “involved in these groups” so that’s the green light to pull them all over every time you see them? LMAO What about Blacks, Shah? Wanna talk about singling them out? How about Muslims at our airports? Yeah sure let’s strip search an old lady in a wheelchair because here diaper might have something in it but let the group in Burkas through no problem. What a fucking joke ‘authority’ is in this country. Fuck these idiots. I don’t trust anyone in the government and anybody with half a brain or any amount of dignity shouldn’t either. Fucking scumbags. Remember what that DA did to those 3 white Lacrosse players at Duke University? Holy shit I could go on and on but I’m preaching to choir here, I’m not saying anything ya’ll don’t already know.
February 7th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
“We” are a domestic and convient threat to them. Alot easier to question and detain us, and alot more politically correct than stereotyping a sand coon. “We ” are right here, in johnny citizen’s backyard, where “We” are still seen as outsiders in our own town. But let’s make muhammed al ah bombayerass feel secure here. Not that bastard john smith with that loud bike, 2 kids a mortgage and likes to drink and let loose with his pals. Fuck that, call the alphabet ASAP.
February 7th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
No disrespect to anyone from Jersy but fuck Jersy,I usta drive a truck and ended up there at least 3 times every 2 weeks,the cops are dickheads like everywhere else, and I could never get over the right hand, left turns,lol
Best of luck to the guys fighting this bullshit,Tear em a new one
February 7th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Think I read somewhere that Jersey is the top state on the list of states people are leaving.
February 7th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
Aw shit. Hahahahha. I have been here 3 fucking years, and still do not understand the jug handle make 3 rights to make 1 left bullshit. Haha nearly pissed myself there. Thanks Jim666.
February 8th, 2013 at 5:28 am
Seig,
He was originally from my hometown before he went to Rockford. I didn’t personally know him, but there are a couple ex-Henchmen in my club that did. We do the “Monte’s run” every year with 81. I’m not that old, but old enough to remember. I’m 49.
L&R,
warthog
FTP FTF FTW
February 8th, 2013 at 5:29 am
Seig,
He was originally from my hometown before he went to Rockford. I didn’t personally know him, but there are a couple ex-Henchmen in my club that did. We do the “Monte’s run” every year with 81. I’m not that old, but old enough to remember. I’m 49.
L&R,
warthog
FTP FTF FTW
February 8th, 2013 at 5:30 am
Seig,
He was originally from my hometown before he went to Rockford. I didn’t personally know him, but there are a couple ex-Henchmen in my club that did. We do the “Monte’s run” every year with 81. I’m not that old, but old enough to remember. I’m 49.
L&R,
warthog
FTP FTF FTW
February 8th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Used to know the ex head of NJ State Police. He was security director for a major NJ trucking company I worked for. Name was John Hanuska…Pretty sure he did not retire from the position. NJ SP has broad powers…even have (or did have according to this guy) its own organized crime task force for LCN investigations.
Again according to this guy, the Justice Dept cracked them on several instances of taking Mafia money back in the 1980′s. I believe this guy got caught up in it. Not guilty of corruption, but maybe cause he was head dude in charge?
Anyway I never liked the fuck.
February 8th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Rebel
So it’s a little bit like riding through Newport beach or dealing with HBPD…except state wide…terrible.
Much Respect,
10g
February 8th, 2013 at 10:05 am
The end of the 1st Amendment says we have the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Yet, if you do, the LEO’s threaten and harrass you.
I took and oath to defend our Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC.
Right now in America our government is our enemy.
February 8th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Dear RVN69,
As always when I talk to you, Welcome Home.
One thing most media miss in covering crime stories is the idea of extra-judicial punishment. In any federal case, and in many state cases, the arrest and prosecution are the punishment and anything else is just gravy.
I’ll give you a recent example that happened yesterday, about six blocks from where I am typing this, that actually woke me up before dawn.
There is a lunatic ex-cop on the loose in Southern California. The nut’s name is Christopher Dorner and he was the lead story on most national newscasts last night. He has vowed to go to war with the LAPD and kill as many cops as he can find. He has a death list with 40 names that he posted somewhere on the internet.
Yesterday morning, an undercover LAPD hunter-killer team in plain clothes staked out the home of one of Dorner’s announced targets about six blocks from me. Dorner ain’t gonna get out of this alive, you understand. Dorner is going to be an example of extra-judicial punishment or “street justice.”
Two Mexican women, a mother and daughter in a pickup truck, were delivering the LA Times at like 5:30. Unfortunately for them the Dorner target who lives near me subscribes to the Times. Naturally, when the two women stopped in front of the target house and threw something into the driveway the LAPD hunter-killer team lit their asses up. About 40 shots were fired. Both women survived.
But Torrance PD (I sometimes have issues with the Torrance Police — you know cause I have a big mustache and wear jeans and flannel shirts and ride an American motorcycle) responded to the hunter killer team’s request for backup. On their way the Torrance heroes saw another pickup truck — which happened to be another newspaper delivery guy — speeding away from the general vicinity of the first shooting. So naturally Torrance lit him up. Fortunately Torrance can’t shoot for shit so that guy got out without a scratch but his truck looked like Bonnie and Clyde’s car at the end of that movie.
And, of course, none of this made television or the LA Times.
I am sure this all happens daily somewhere.
In all the recent talk about gun control I haven’t heard anybody say a word about taking semi-automatics away from the cops. But the danger isn’t armed citizens. The danger is the police.
Dorner is a national story. Nobody will be surprised when he is killed “resisting arrest.” And, nobody will question whether police should be entitled to dispense “street justice.” Everybody, including me, will say Dorner got what he deserved. He killed a cop’s daughter and her fiance the other day. But nobody talks about the real issue.
What the New Jersey State Police are accused of doing in that case and what the Nevada police are accused of doing in the Nevada case is “street justice.” For various reasons the cops involved in those suits didn’t shoot anybody. But I can feel their trigger fingers itching from here
Rebel
February 8th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Dear SingSing,
That thing accross their chests is called a “Sam Browne Belt.”
Rebel
February 8th, 2013 at 10:54 am
Dear 10Guage,
Orange County in the house!
In my humble experience, LA Sheriffs and Torrance are the worst.
Rebel
February 8th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Rebel I watched that shit on the news last night.
Wondered if you were close to that shit,seems the ex cop sent a package to cnn back in jan. if they had read it the shit might not have happened.
Hopfully the 2 ladies and the cat in the trucks can sue the fuck outta the LAPD Or Torrence PD or who ever shot them up,
I was In torrence in 89 for a little while not long enough for my curosity to interduce me to the cops though,lol.
I agree they will kill this dude,maby not before he puts a spot light on the LAPD,s abusive actions after all he should know he was one.
Jim
February 8th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I hope the asshole pig Dorner nails as many as he can. There’s no such thing as a decent pig and he has finally figured that out.
@Rebel – I’ve not seen anything about what you described with the trucks. Do you mind if I cut and paste your post and send it to my e-mail list and put it on my website? It makes me sick that something that fucking big is ‘silenced’ by the fucking useless pigs and local government.
February 8th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
If you want a good laugh, google Dorner’s manifesto. It is so chock full of totalitarian BS. The guy was a megalamaniac. He said shitabout the NRA prez is a “piece of shit” and had nothing but love for politicians who are ignoring/destroying our Constitution. Dorner is a POS not because he’s a cop killer, he was a POS before that when he was a cop. Scumbag.
February 8th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
I’m sorry about talking about him in past tense, I just figure he’s a dead man, but who knows? Obama might give the POS a job in the White Hut.
February 8th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Yeah, I didn’t seem to make it read that I wouldn’t mind him getting shot up too, but only after he takes out a buttload of other pigs first.
February 9th, 2013 at 12:44 am
The times got something out this evening about the delivery gals that were shot….
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130209,0,4414028.story
I did notice yesterday it was buried fast by some mainstream media. I live in Riverside county, the cops here are hair triggered right now as well.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-shootings-newspaper-carriers.html
February 9th, 2013 at 10:03 am
From what I have found there are a couple of manifesto’s out there some edited
Rebel I will e-mail what I think is unedited one.
The poor pig started out with his hate in grade school because another kid called him a nigger.
February 9th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Speaking of insane LEO’s, here’s a judge that certifiable:
I always new Chicago moonbats were crazy, this just confirms it…
A Democratic Party-backed judge who won re-election in November while facing battery charges was found not guilty Monday–by reason of insanity.
The insanity verdict could aid the judge’s effort to return to the bench.
Not long after Judge Cynthia Brim was charged in March with misdemeanor battery for shoving a deputy outside the Daley Center, a panel of supervising judges effectively suspended her, banning Brim from the county’s courthouses without a police escort.
Bar associations have recommended since 2000 that Brim be tossed from her $182,000-a-year job, but voters have kept returning her to the bench. Experts have said Brim’s case highlights the difficulty of unseating a judge up for retention in Cook County.
On Monday, less than a year after the judge embarked on what attorneys described as a delusional journey across the city that ended with her in handcuffs, Brim sat at a wooden table marked “Defendant” on the 13th floor of the Daley Center for a highly unusual bench trial.
Testimony revealed that Brim has been hospitalized five times after suffering mental breakdowns in the 18 years since she was first elected. In 2004, Brim was carried off the bench at a suburban courthouse after she froze while addressing her courtroom before starting the day, standing mute until someone called paramedics, her attorney said.
Brim, 54, was diagnosed years ago with a bipolar type of schizoaffective disorder, which means she experiences delusions and hallucinations, psychiatrist Mathew Markos testified. The symptoms can be kept in check with medication, he testified.
Prosecutors argued that Brim was “criminally responsible” for her actions last spring as she had chosen once again to stop taking her medications. Her attorney said a psychiatrist had advised her to only take the drugs when she needed to.
“She made the choice, despite numerous hospitalizations, to go off her medications,” Assistant State’s Attorney Maria Burnett said.
DuPage County Judge Liam Brennan — who was brought in to hear the case — said his verdict is separate from the larger question of Brim’s fitness to be a judge. The state’s Judicial Inquiry Board is investigating Brim for multiple alleged violations of the code of professional responsibility, an inquiry that could ultimately end with her removal from the bench, her attorney James Montgomery said.
“This is not about the wisdom of allowing this defendant to serve as a judge,” Brennan said.
Legal expert Warren Wolfson, who spent 15 years as a trial judge, said the board will want to be sure that Brim is capable of performing her duties on the bench. The board would consider other incidents as well, including the disruption in her own courtroom.
“The issue is whether she has the ability to perform her duties,” Wolfson said.
Brim’s November re-election campaign was backed by the Cook County Democratic Party as well as the Committee for Retention of Judges in Cook County, a campaign committee funded by judges. Judges need 60 percent of the vote to be retained; failing to meet that mark is rare.
On March 8, Brim was asked to leave the Markham courthouse after going on a tirade while presiding over traffic court, sources told the Tribune last year. The next day, she read a newspaper story about a Cook County judge who was using lots of sick leave and decided to complain to the judicial board, which disciplines judges, about what she viewed as an unfair story.
But she took the wrong bus and ended up on 47th Street, so she decided to make a “march for justice” up to the board’s Loop offices, Markos said. After walking more than 5 miles, she at some point went to her attorney’s building, but got off at the wrong floor and refused to leave a different attorney’s offices, Montgomery said.
That attorney later filed a complaint with the Judicial Inquiry Board, he said.
Brim also went to the Daley Center. After standing in the lobby for about 15 minutes, she asked deputies if any keys had been left at the security station that day, officers testified.
She then left with a set of keys and returned a few minutes later, throwing her own keys on the floor as a protest against the unjust judicial system, Montgomery said. Deputy Nicholas Leone testified that he noticed Brim’s set included special security keys for opening courtrooms and judge’s chambers in the building.
“I wanted to know why a civilian had those keys,” Leone said.
Brim was walking east on Randolph Street and ignored requests from Deputy Herbert Edwards to stop, he testified.
Edwards said he finally stepped in front of her and stood his ground before she reached Dearborn Street, and that’s when she shoved him, he testified. The judge was then taken to the lockup in the Daley Center’s basement.
Sheriff’s police began calling other judges to come help after Brim, who was identified as a judge, would not answer questions, Montgomery said.
Eventually Judge Pamela Hill-Veal, who is Brim’s cousin, came to the lockup and answered questions for Brim, telling police Brim had no history of mental illness, Deputy Deborah Salzman testified. Hill-Veal even helped Brim sign her name on a medical questionnaire, Salzman said.
A message left for Hill-Veal after Monday’s verdict was not returned.
Brim, who declined to comment, looked displeased after Brennan’s verdict.
“Obviously she’s not happy with the fact that she still has to undergo further evaluation to determine if she is in need of further mental treatment,” said Montgomery, who noted Brim is already undergoing treatment.
For Sheila Murphy, the former presiding judge at the Markham courthouse, the issue is clear: Brim needs help.
Murphy has worked with the Lawyers’ Assistance Program, which helps attorneys and judges with mental health and substance abuse issues, for more than three decades. Although Murphy said she knew of no other judge to have been found not guilty by reason of insanity, she said other judges have mental health issues for which they take medication.
“Judges are human beings. We get physically sick and have mental health issues like anybody else,” said Murphy, who also is an adjunct professor at John Marshall Law School.
“The biggest issue is whether a judge can be responsive to the issues that come before him or her and can hear testimony and give it thought,” she said. “But you have to have the mental state to do that. If you don’t, you’re going to have problems.”
“Why shouldn’t she be able to recover like anybody else with good doctors and valid assessments?” Murphy said.
Brim is scheduled to return to court March 15 for a hearing on her mental health treatment.
Tribune reporter Steve Mills contributed.
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February 9th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Can’t believe the NJ troopers wear those uniforms in public. Look’s like some kinda gay/nazi thing going on there.
February 9th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Chicago, the city that brought you obummer and holder…what else need be said?!
FTF/FTP
TOSIAR
5 to 1
SYLO
February 10th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Sieg Says:
February 9th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Chicago, the city that brought you obummer and holder…what else need be said?!
Sieg, these are the maniacs who are trying to disarm us. Scary times we’re living in.
February 10th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Hitler supposedly looked at the most scary American police uniforms when he designed those SS outfits.
The line btw cops and the military is steadily eroding as more and more police departments are collecting battlefield-grade arsenals from military surplus equipment ie amphibious tanks, night-vision goggles, and so forth at virtually no cost, except for shipment and maintenance, thanks to the Department of Defense Excess Property Program.
Check out this light armoured vehicle LAV 150 used by the Nebraska State Patrol: http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/6/Nebraska_State_Trooper.jpg
February 10th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
I’m glad someone is taking a shot at curbing this gestapo crap, and I wish them nothing but luck in the fight. I’ve seen this sort of thing first hand and it’s more common than a lot of people would guess.
To make it worse: It seems these “well informed” troopers “know that these guys ride without their colors sometimes to avoid detection”(yawn), so even groups of 4-5 indies riding together have been stopped and interrogated at length because they “might” be “affiliated” with one of those “evil motorcycle gangs that rape and pillage and eat babies and talk at the movies” (paraphrased). Everyone gets shit on.(except apparently hog and the leo “clubs”, of course.)
And yes, it gets better. In the shore towns that were hit hard by sandy, and where a lot of us (whether patched or independent) live or visit, NJSP troopers have been patrolling full time. So now everyone’s odds of being bothered by one of these douchebags in a lot of the shore areas of NJ went way up. It’s disgusting and it gets old fast.
Maybe we could email the British embassy about a trade? We can give them back the “NJ colony”, and they give us a few hundred Triumphs, a handful of submersible, armored Aston-Martins, and some “private time” with Emma Watson. That sounds pretty fair I think…
February 16th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
If we don’t turn the tide on this shit we will be a serious police state within 20 years. Not just us but the whole damn country. The continued attempts to pussify white American men continues unabated and will not cease until or unless we push back…
February 16th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Grumbler,
Not trying to diminish the alarm of the militarization of the local gaystapo, but I think a lot of them are finding out that maintenance costs on those new armored toys are pretty hefty.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Seriously though, fuck em all.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
I, unfortunately, live in shithole Jersey too. Here because of a job. Never had a problem except when some assclown (without a license) stopped dead in the middle of the road at a green light. I ended up hitting him and of course the cop gave me a ticket. Lawyer made them see the error of their ways. Now I’m trying to buy a gun… legally. Holy fuck. You could be the Pope and it’d take 6 months to be graced with the state’s permission to buy even a shotgun. Now there is actually a bill that would make everyone (even with no record) pass a mental health exam and take a safety course just to buy any gun. Retarded. It’s not even worth living here anymore.
February 22nd, 2013 at 6:48 am
Jerzy want`s to look at PMC`s Books ?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130222_N_J__asks_Pagan_s_to_open_their_books__if_they_have_any.html
February 22nd, 2013 at 6:50 am
NJ Herald
http://www.njherald.com/story/21305921/biker-group-suing-nj-state-police-over-road-stop
February 22nd, 2013 at 8:21 am
I love how the government of this country allow more leniency toward illegals immigrants and muslim radicals than towards hard working American citizens. we must bend over to help illegals adapt and allow our visitors to feel welcomed and safe to do whatever they want in our country.
but hey! is that one of those dirty American citizens on a bike? get him!!!!!! the sand rats can wear turbins anywhere they want because it’s their belief. oh? well, my cut is my belief, matter of fact, it’s my way of life, but i have to take it off, because some 5’5″ jersey road nazi thinks he is 7 feet tall because of the badge and shiny boots? fuck you, fuck your face, fuck your badge. i’d rather get the ticket or the handcuffs for wearing my beliefs in my own country, the land of the free.
February 22nd, 2013 at 8:22 am
oh, and that article is a fucking pisser. funny as shit.
February 24th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Another article on Corrupt Jerzy pigs,/troopers/scum
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/02/nj_state_police_punishments_fo.html#incart_river_default