The strange and sordid tragedy of Diamond Dan Bifield just got a little more cynical. According to multiple, independent, informed sources Lisa Ellen Bifield, Daniel Eugene “Diamond Dan” Bifield’s wife, has been cooperating with prosecutors since last July and will testify against the remaining defendants when they go on trial next month.
According to some of the same sources, Lisa Bifield has denied that she is cooperating. Her plea agreement is sealed. Much of the case remains sealed in order to frustrate public scrutiny of the case.
Hells Angels Threat
Officially, information about cooperating witnesses is sealed as a matter of safety. The judge in this case, the Honorable Cameron McGowan Currie, issued an order on December 10 to keep secret the names of the principal agents provocateur employed by the FBI during the investigation and three other informants who will not testify during the trial. Those principal informants are Joseph Dilulio and Marty DeLoach. Currie ordered the prosecution to release information about those defendants five business days before the start of trial.
In a motion filed on January 11, prosecutors asked Currie to keep secret “the identity and information about cooperating witnesses that are not co-defendants (until) five days prior to their testimony.” The government requested this secrecy because:
“Given the nature of the Hells Angels’ enterprise and potential threats against cooperating individuals, revealing the identity and details about these cooperating individuals at this time would fail to account for the substantial and serious threat to the safety of witnesses posed by defendants and their gang associates. Any benefits of disclosure at this stage do not come close to counterbalancing the substantial interests the Government and this Court have in protecting potential witnesses from violence and intimidation.”
“In addition to the practice of Hells Angels and their associates (both generally and with regard to members of this specific Chapter) intimidating and threatening witnesses, the Government has credible information that since the arrest of these defendants, members of the Hells Angels and their associates have threatened potential witnesses and at least one member of the prosecution team.”
Dan Bifield
Daniel Bifield pled guilty to racketeering conspiracy on January 3. Lisa Bifield pled guilty to a gun possession charge the same day. Dan Bifield understood his plea would be in exchange for better treatment and a lesser penalty for his wife. Dan Bifield understood that in return for pleading guilty he would probably serve the rest of his life in prison but his wife would be out in three years.
Before making his plea Dan Bifield wrote: “Anybody who knows me knows how I am. I always helped my wife at the bar and watched over her. We always travelled together. We were a happy family. I never had a woman love me like she has. It hurts deeply that she is suffering because of me….. Now I’m fighting for my wife, my club and my life. I am at the point where I don’t care what they do to me. I may spend the rest of my life in prison but I would never sell out the people I love and believe in. I will never turn my back on any of them.”
At his change of plea hearing Dan Bifield made this “Statement of Acceptance of Personal Responsibility.”
“Dan Bifield admits that he personally committed controlled substance and money-laundering offenses as part of the RICO conspiracy to which he pleads guilty. He wishes to emphasize his belief and experience that the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club (world-wide) and the South Carolina Nomads Chapter are not criminal enterprises, and that his crimes were not committed or in any way undertaken on behalf of or as a part of his participation in the activities of the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club of which he is a member.
“Mr. Bifield also would like the record to reflect that he has not and will not under any circumstances cooperate with or testify for the government.”
If Dan Bifield was tricked into pleading guilty and making his statement about accepting responsibility, that trick did not violate the law or the standards of professional conduct for federal prosecutors or federal defenders.
The Bad Plea Deal
Even if Dan Bifield was romantically manipulated into his admission of guilt it seems likely that he is now stuck with the deal he made.
The agreement he signed contains the following provisions:
“…as part of this provision, the United States further agrees to permit Co-Defendant Lisa Ellen Bifield to plead guilty to Count 47, charging possession of a firearm in furtherance of a drug trafficking crime or a crime of violence….”
“The Defendant agrees that all facts that determine his offense level under the Guidelines and pursuant to any mandatory minimum (including facts that support any specific offense characteristic or other enhancement or adjustment) can be found by the court at sentencing by a preponderance of the evidence standard and the court may consider any reliable evidence, including hearsay.”
“In the event that the Defendant fails to comply with any of the provisions of this Agreement, either expressed or implied, it is understood that the Government will have the right. at its sole election, to void all of its obligations under this Agreement and the Defendant will not have any right to withdraw his plea of guilty to the offense(s) enumerated herein.”
“The Defendant represents to the court that he has met with his attorney on a sufficient number of occasions and for a sufficient period of time to discuss the Defendant’s case and receive advice; that the Defendant has been truthful with his attorney and related all information of which the Defendant is aware pertaining to the case; that the Defendant and his attorney have discussed possible defenses, if any, to the charges in the Superseding Indictment including the existence of any exculpatory or favorable evidence or witness, discussed the Defendant’s right to a public trial by jury or by the Court, the right to the assistance of counsel throughout the proceedings. the right to confront and cross-examine the government’s witnesses, the Defendant’s right to testify in his own behalf, or to remain silent and have no adverse inferences drawn from his silence; and that the Defendant, with the advice of counsel, has weighed the relative benefits of a trial by jury or by the Court versus a plea of guilty pursuant to his Agreement, and has entered this Agreement as a matter of the Defendant’s free and voluntary choice, and not as a result of pressure or intimidation by any person.”
“The Defendant waives all rights, whether asserted directly or by a representative, to request or receive from any department or agency of the United States any records pertaining to the investigation or prosecution of this case, including without limitation any records that may be sought under the Freedom of Information Act,”
January 26th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
@Rebel,
With no disrespect intended, I really hope someone got their wires crossed and you’re wrong about all of this. If not, then the month of February is really gonna suck.
Long May You Ride,
Paladin
January 26th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
That would explain why no contact was allowed between Dan and Lisa prior to their meeting around the plea agreements.
If this is true, it was pretty cold hearted of her not to mention her cooperation at that time. Would his defense attorney have had knowledge of this?
This is going to devastate Dan.
If this turn out to.be true, I hope what she has done haunts her everyday of the rest of her life.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Dear Paladin,
I have been sitting on the story for awhile and almost ran it yesterday. I did not want to run it. I believe I have it right.
Rebel
January 26th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
I don’t know what to say. I just hope this is disinformation meant to intimidate the remaining defendants
Respects,
Caretaker
January 26th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Damn !
Speachless,,,,,,,
January 26th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
I sometimes wonder..”If” the HAMC is the big “criminal” organisation that the government thinks it is,why don’t “the club” have a a better legal team ? Fuckers in Banking and Finance get away with a lot more..
January 26th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
This is so wrong, WTF?
January 26th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Trust no one…..always nice to be optimistic but the bottom line is,some people will do whatever it takes to get off a sinking ship.Sad but true.”I may spend the rest of my life in prison but I would never sell out the people I love and believe in. I will never turn my back on any of them.” is all I need to know about the man himself to form an opinion.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
All things being equal, a mother will alway put her need to be with her children first. All things and all others will take second position. The Feds probably used her children against her, telling her that there was a good chance that her children would grow up without her.
If what has been said is true, then I believe Lisa Bifield would have flipped, no matter what kind of deal Dan would have entered into.
There is nothing lower than threatening to deprive a mother of her children. However, it is an incredibly powerful form of coercion.
Long May You Ride,
Paladin
January 27th, 2013 at 4:27 am
Paladins assessment is probably correct. I hammer into all our hangarounds & prospects from day one that they are never to discuss under any circumstances club affairs with their families for exactly that reason. If they don’t know anything at all the damage is often limited. I also usually try to sit with ol’ladies as well to explain why they will never know more than a nickname for club members and that the ol man will be back maybe on Tuesday! It doesn’t go down well mostly but we figure its the safest for all concerned. we tell them that their phones are sure as shit going to be tapped and that the feds will threaten to take their kids and all that shit if the ol man gets arrested.. Does it help..? Hmmm we had a case here where there was fuckin hours of telephone taps between members ol ladies speculating about what we might be up to without actually knowing..! The judge tossed it out but it was a stressful event for all concerned.
ol ladies are (here at least)normally picked up by the cops about one hour before they are due to collect the kids from school. It puts them under immense pressure to say something/anything in those first few minutes in the back of the cruiser and as the clock ticks down the pressure just grows. clever evil shit as the first instinct is to lie about whatever the accusation is and then they’ve got you….
Keep it coming rebel.
January 27th, 2013 at 4:49 am
after reading this i was thinking it cant be true just leaves ya with a bad feeling,i dont know dan or lisa but i do know right from wrong and this aint right..Before making his plea Dan Bifield wrote I may spend the rest of my life in prison but I would never sell out the people I love and believe in. I will never turn my back on any of them..if only everyone was as loyal
January 27th, 2013 at 4:54 am
Makes me so angry, this. Bastard pigs.
January 27th, 2013 at 7:48 am
To whitefxrp:
Ain’t that the truth. The bankers, financiers, and U. S. government get away with murder every day.
(who’s in that black SUV out there…?)
January 27th, 2013 at 9:04 am
How reliable are these independent sources? Have you seen the information yourself to confirm what is being said? Just curious.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:50 am
Dear confused,
I stand by the report. If you don’t want to believe it, then don’t.
Rebel
January 27th, 2013 at 9:54 am
I hope for her sake this is false.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:31 am
Rebel reports that the plea agreement states: ““In the event that the Defendant fails to comply with any of the provisions of this Agreement, either expressed or implied, it is understood that the Government will have the right. at its sole election, to void all of its obligations under this Agreement…”
As I understand it, the only obligation that the government has, under the agreement, is to be lenient with Lisa Bifield. So if Dan Bifield refuses to comply with his side of the agreement the only thing the government could do is to reinstate further charges against Lisa. While that wouldn’t do Dan much good, it would inconvenience and embarrass the government (as they would have to be lenient with Lisa anyway, to encourage future rats), perhaps preserve grounds for appeal (using a possibly unprecedented legal argument, claiming the government entered into the plea agreement under false pretenses), and publicize the government’s tactics so that future defendants would be armed with the knowledge and be wary of similar plea agreements.
I add my voice to those who hope Rebel is the victim of a misinformation campaign meant to sabotage the defendants’ unity and discourage them. But from what I’ve seen, Rebel employs high standards of ethics in journalism and would not report such a thing lightly.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Bipolar
..
Why??
January 27th, 2013 at 11:15 am
They did have contact prior to their plea agreements. And if this info is correct then so be it. That’s what happens when you engage in criminal activity. If this is wrong then rebel could be opening himself up to a lawsuit from the family.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Rebel,
Thanks for an earlier convo we had. It’s been enlightening to have learned to hold my opinion (which is only mine) to see how all this plays out.
It’s been quite educational and stuff.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:49 am
And thanks for the bug fix. I thought it was MY posts causing that PHP code to be exposed. And given the paranoia this stuff is guaranteed to cause…
January 27th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Also in another article rebel says that Dan and Lisa’s plea deals were asked to be filed publically…….in this article you’re saying Lisa’s is sealed. Makes me question your information.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Confused,
I say that because and only because that would break Dan’s heart. It would devestate him, he loves Leisa like there is no tomorrow.
January 27th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
That shit is all Fed boilerplate, Glenn. Way I read it, Dan copped a plea for a certain sentence. Doesn’t sound like a good sentence from this side of the bars, but if the alternative is a half-century in Marion, then yeah, he’s got plenty to lose by backing out.
FTF/FTP
TOSIAR
5 to 1
SYLO
January 27th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Dear puzzled,
Just stop lying about what I said.
Rebel
January 27th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Over the years, Ive learned that Rebel is a stand up reporter……..Period!! I get pissed when someone talks shit about his reporting. He presents the facts that he has gathered during his investigating.
For those of you wanting to join a club……use Dan as your role model……..can’t stand by your club at all cost…….then don’t prospect……..know your limits…….be yourself……..don’t be a pretender……….it’s OK to be who you are………unless you’re a rat, then cap your punk ass self.
Doc Jones
Fair Oaks, CA
January 27th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Well,,,,
Whatafuck…..
Rebel,,
Understand why you sat on this….
Again, whatafuck?!?!?!
Puzzeled,
Do you have better sources?
Base…
January 27th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Oh rebel…your the liar.
Get a life
January 27th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Doc Jones,,,,
Hell to the yes!!!
Respectivly, Base
January 27th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
puzzled said: “That’s what happens when you engage in criminal activity.”
Guess that sums up puzzled’s position.
January 27th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Looking in from the outside Dan choose a cage to save Lisa and she sold him down the road for his trouble. He’s looking at life in prison anyway why not just say fuck you to the gov and make them work for the conviction? Respect, Snow.
January 27th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Doc Jones says:
“For those of you wanting to join a club……use Dan as your role model……..can’t stand by your club at all cost…….then don’t prospect……..know your limits…….be yourself……..don’t be a pretender……….it’s OK to be who you are………unless you’re a rat, then cap your punk ass self.”
Amen , I could not agree more the only thing I would add is never include wives, ol ladies, or non members in on your Club business.
No fucking pillow talk!
VFFV LVDV
Viva Los Vagos
January 27th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
From what Ive seen and Ive been reading here long before I ever posted a comment, Rebel is usually rite on his commentarys,
Yet and I really hope this is just a fed smoke screen,,as to what Doc Jones said and VAGO added
A FUCKIN MEN !
FTF FTP ACAB
January 27th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Dear Puzzled,
I understand and sympathize with your distress. The statements made in the story are provably true. Lisa Bifield was extensively debriefed starting in July. She was identified as a prosecution witness during voir dire. I wish it wasn’t true. I wish the facts were a simple matter of me doing a half assed job. Unfortunately, I got it right.
Rebel
January 27th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
I personally believe that Rebel got this one right. She had already testified and then retestified in a murder case. It certainly sheds some light on where the feds were getting alot of their information. The rumor mill has been running wild on this one for a few days. I havent decided whos the biggest piece of shit. The feds for all of their bullshit or Lisa for selling her ol man and everyone else out to save herself. Wonder if her sister still wants to stand up for her on this now. Never, ever involve women in your business.
January 27th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
@Snow,
I might be wrong, but I think that once Dan signed the papers, his option to back out of the deal vanished, along with his wife.
Again, I might be wrong, but I think once Lisa Bifield testilies, she will be released into witness protection and she, her children, as well as her immediate family, along with the rest of the Government’s so called witnesses will be disapeared.
Lisa Bifield’s immediate family is probably already in P.C. Her sister hasn’t been very vocal lately.
Long May You Ride,
Paladin
January 27th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
The sister is still being very vocal, just under assumed screen names. I highly doubt anyone would pose a threat to the immediate family or that anyone has been placed in the witness protection program. We are talking about Dan’s step children here ok?
Let’s not get reckless with assumptions.
January 28th, 2013 at 1:53 am
Im right here…aka puzzled …yeah I’ll still stand up for her. She’s my sister and I’ll always love her.
January 28th, 2013 at 2:14 am
Oh..and for the record, Dan stands behind her too.
January 28th, 2013 at 3:02 am
@Lynn,
Just so I understand you correctly. Are you saying that Dan is standing behind the women who sold him and his brothers out, and is going to do her level best to send the rest of them to prison, when she testilies against them at trial, so she can save herself? Is that what you’re saying?
Paladin
January 28th, 2013 at 3:19 am
You can stand behind whoever you want, no one expects you to be either honest or objective. Seems to run in the family.
January 28th, 2013 at 3:31 am
If he stands beside her on this and agreeing to testify against all of his brothers, then he’s as big a piece of shit as she is. I dont believe that for a second. She might be your sister and you love her but a rat is a rat and there is no defense or excuse for that.
January 28th, 2013 at 5:16 am
Who cares what yall think. The truth will prevail. Amd no im not saying nothing other than Dan loves Lisa. Now, I have better things to do then listen to yalls gossip. Have a nice day
January 28th, 2013 at 6:12 am
And goodnight, Agent Lisa.
January 28th, 2013 at 6:38 am
…..:)
January 28th, 2013 at 7:03 am
While it is easy to sit at home behind your computer and speculate about the facts in this case there are things none of you (including Rebel) will know. Dan was and is fully aware that Lisa would cooperate, she has to for the sake of her children. Dan is a stand up guy and he has and continues to be loyal to his club. Lisa is not a bad person, she is just in way over her head and Dan knew this, he told her to do what she needed to do, I respect that and you should to. The government plays for keeps and everyone is fighting for their life in this case.
While I love Dan he made a very bad habit of involving people who should never have been involved in club business and talking way to damn much. Women had NO DAMN business knowing club business. Dan’s use of the Red Devils was also a MAJOR mistake, they should never have been used in HAMC business. Dan made a lot of very amateur moves, he was desperate for money to start a Columbia chapter and he threw caution to the wind. A lot of people are now paying for his mistakes. You should hear Dan flapping his mouth on the tapes, he sounds like a teenage boy about to get some pussy for the first time, talking about everyone and their brother on TAPE! TELLING ALL! So do not sit smugly by and Judge Lisa or anyone else in this case.
Ask yourself this, where is Hollywood? Dan’s right hand man wasn’t even indicted? Wonder why? Hummmmmmmm
If you are not a defendant in this case how about shut the fuck up with your opinions or speculations. There are deals going on that you just simply do not have access to. Speculation is not going to help anyone, you are only making this harder on people who have had it very hard since June 2012.
The fact here is that federal crimes were knowingly committed. If you do not believe that then you are stupid. So now everyone is trying to minimize the damage to their lives.
You can believe this, no one going to trial is going to be acquitted. I have seen and heard the evidence against them and it is pretty much a done deal barring some miracle.
It is sad, many of these people are good people who did bad things. The sentences in federal cases are very stiff! I think them unfair but it is what it is.
Let’s focus our energy on supporting those who are going to trial and those headed to prison. The witch hunt doesn’t matter, in the end it is about people suffering.
As far as the “implied” threat to Lisa I saw above, grow up. You are not going to do a damn thing to anyone. If you were that tough you would have already made moves against people to help Dan get acquitted so your tough TALK is just that.
Remember that once Dan pleaded guilty is was simply a house of cards. Smart people followed the plea and hopeful others continue their path to trial and Loooong sentences.
January 28th, 2013 at 7:38 am
lynn said: “The truth will prevail.”
Everybody has their own version of truth. It’s called perspective, and such forms values, principles, and standards. Changing those principles when it is convenient is dishonest and therefore untruthful. A common misconception is that legal and honest is one and the same. Legal vs. illegal is not a grand struggle between right and wrong, its just two sides in a conflict. Pick a side and stick with it, for better or for worse (kinda like they say in wedding vows). Picking the side that enables you to look in the mirror and like what you see is usually the best option.
January 28th, 2013 at 7:47 am
I sure hope Lynn doesn’t have an old man in a club, because it seems she’d become a rat just as fast as her sister to save her own ass than do the right thing. If she does have an old man in a club, hopefully he reads this website and will pick up on what his OL is *really* like!
January 28th, 2013 at 7:56 am
I don’t mess with biker trash.
January 28th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Llynn, I hope your head stops spinning and your heart stops hurting soon.
We all know there’s three sides to every story…..
Your side
My side
and what really happened. I wish you peace.
Ronbo
January 28th, 2013 at 8:12 am
Gents, I truly doubt you are talking to anyone’s “sister” when you address “lynn”. Most probably just another pig here to truffle about in the dirt and see what it can root-out.
If, by some odd chance, it is a rat’s sister, then draw your own conclusions…rats nest in packs.
FTF/FTP
TOSIAR
5 to 1
SYLO
January 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Lisa may have not switched sides at all, she may have always been there. She has always been friendly with the cops, especially Lexington County Narcotics. Rebel reports this betrayal by Lisa goes back at least to July of 12, whose to say it didn’t start a lot earlier. Lynn has been on here supporting her the whole time as the victim, I wonder if Lynn knew all along what Lisa was doing, and was helping her hide the fact she was going to testify. Do we have one rat or two…
January 28th, 2013 at 8:17 am
lynn Says:
January 28th, 2013 at 7:56 am
“I don’t mess with biker trash.”
Really? I’ve seen an awful lot of your postings on here for us “biker trash” to read and elicit our sympathy for you poor sister. She ended up being worse than Dan’s first wife. At least that bitch didn’t testify against his brothers.
warthog
FTP FTF FTW
January 28th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Seems that some of you are getting upset because Lisa’s my sister and I’m not bashing her and I won’t. Whatever she does is her decision and it won’t change how I feel about her. I been on her side since day one and will continue to be. I may not agree with all the choices she makes neither does our mother but that’s not going to change how we feel about her but I see where this is going ..you can’t beat up on her so you try to get to me. It doesn’t work that way. But its okay. I can take the punches. Im sure you’ll hear from Dan soon.
January 28th, 2013 at 8:24 am
What a nightmare…This is about so much more than wether Dan loves Lisa. There are other lives wrapped up in their family drama… Her sisters comments speak volumes…Disgusting
January 28th, 2013 at 8:27 am
Thanks robbie.
January 28th, 2013 at 8:31 am
Im sure Lisa’s kids, that everyone talked about how great Dan was to them, will be very proud of their Momma the rat. Guess she can tell them how horrible a person he was and how she did all of this for them.
The moving, the leaving all of their friends and relatives and all of that crap.
January 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Got my chuckle for the day. . . .
Don’t people understand that calling folks that ride “BIKER TRASH” is nothing more than a compliment or flattery? Hell many even wear the sticker on their brain bucket as a fashion statement. So it more than likely would get a huge thank you from many I know, we wear the phrase proudly.
VFFV LVDV
Viva Los Vagos
January 28th, 2013 at 8:34 am
lynn, or whoever, said: “I don’t mess with biker trash.”
Well, Lynn, I know that I stood in line with other “trash” at more than one event to put money in a donation jar in front of pictures of your brother-in-law, your sister, and others to support and assist them. I’m sure that a lot of time and energies went into making those events happen. I, and other “biker trash” have bought belt buckles, tee shirts, even rap CDs, the proceeds going towards your family members’ needs during these difficult times. Men and women who never laid eyes on your sister or her husband ponied up a few hard-earned dollars because we believed it was the right thing to do, and will do so again. I suppose “trash” is in the eyes of the beholder.
January 28th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Sometimes I tuck my dick in my legs and stand in front of the mirror to see if I am perty……
January 28th, 2013 at 8:43 am
This whole story makes me sick. Makes me even sicker to think Dan got sold out by his wife. Cant imagine what he’ll feel when he hears about it.
To Lynn, CDC. nuff said.
January 28th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Let’s see…
Lisa Bifield has been giving up her husband and their friends for how long? And naturally, the Beast doesn’t wnat that to get out. Now, what better way to keep attention away from Lisa and the other rats than to have her “sister” posting here crying about how turble it all is?
That’s no sister, that’s a pig.
FTF/FTP
TOSIAR
5 to 1
SYLO
January 28th, 2013 at 9:01 am
Pig sister whatever … I’m not turning my back on her trust me we don’t want any sympathy from anyone. Not all people that ride are biker trash but our family isn’t turning against Lisa and this article still is hearsay.
January 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am
@Lynn says “I don’t mess with biker trash!” All I can say is WOW, cause what I really want to say would probably get me in trouble. That’s amazing that you can say that since the “biker trash” are the ones that are supporting your sister right now while she sits in jail. Again, WOW!!!!!
Much Love and Respect to only those that deserve it,
Bipolar&Proud
January 28th, 2013 at 9:06 am
I am going to hold off judgement myself. Let’s all just wait to see who actually goes on the witness stand and testifies for the DA. Until then it doesn’t matter. You are not a RAT until you RAT. Regardless of what any reporter writes about you…
January 28th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Hogrider……suck one
January 28th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Later punks. Its been my pleasure pissing you off..ahha
January 28th, 2013 at 9:39 am
lynn said: “Later punks. Its been my pleasure pissing you off..ahha.”
Pissed, yeah, but more disgusted than anything.
January 28th, 2013 at 9:51 am
While down inside I was hoping that somehow this all got misconstrued,
I guess that last comment sums it all up,
January 28th, 2013 at 9:53 am
I guess being a POS runs in the family.
January 28th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Dear BikerBoy,
No. You’re wrong. You’re a rat as soon as you start talking, not as soon as you start testifying. I presume, you think, for some reason, that I am a liar who just makes things up. I’m not sure why I would lie about this or why you would even think I would want to run this story. Lisa Bifield started talking in July. I was told by someone I trust that she may have stopped talking for awhile and then started talking again. No I haven’t seen the transcripts. I don’t know whether I would run them or not if I had. If you aren’t in the case or if you don’t want a heads up on that that’s fine with me. If you don’t want to believe me that’s fine, too.
Rebel
January 28th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Rebel, my comment was not an insult to you sir. I just like to see facts with my OWN eyes, like her on the witness stand before I move to pointed decisions. having been down this road a few times before I am very careful. I know you are a man of his word that was not in question and I apologize that I offended you.
January 28th, 2013 at 10:20 am
Dear Biker Boy,
I hear you and I believe you. No problem. I probably overreacted.
I’m not condemning Lisa Bifield. As a recent commenter suggested, she had her reasons for doing what she did. Now it is about pragmatism. How do the remaining defendants minimize the damage?
Respect,
Rebel
January 28th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Dear HogRiderFTW,
I am pretty sure Dan Bifield knows by now. I think he is a very admirable man in a lot of ways. I think among his other virtues he is mentally tough. I think he loved his wife and I think he still does.
Rebel
January 28th, 2013 at 10:31 am
Dear Justthinking,
Drop me a line sometime, if it is safe and ethical for you to do so.
Rebel
January 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Speaking for myself, am just gonna wait and see how it all shakes out. There’s currently too many intangibles out there to draw any inescapable conclusions. We may never know the truth regardless of the outcome.
January 28th, 2013 at 10:47 am
@PHRAFFA,
I couldnt Agree with You MORE!!!!!
January 28th, 2013 at 11:15 am
@PHRAFFA,
Who threatened leisa? As far as I see no one threatened here. No disrespect meant, but there should be no threatsto any one here. People are doing what they have to do, would I have done it, no but thats just me.
January 28th, 2013 at 11:37 am
PHRAFFA says:
“Dan is a stand up guy and he has and continues to be loyal to his club. Lisa is not a bad person, she is just in way over her head and Dan knew this, he told her to do what she needed to do, I respect that and you should to. The government plays for keeps and everyone is fighting for their life in this case.”
Dan stated that he would never turn his back on his club or his brothers. So, I doubt he would condone his wife’s treacherous behavior.
And yes, the government plays for keeps. However, that’s no excuse for Lisa to leave a ship that she helped sink, by offering to destroy her shipmates, in order to secure a seat in the lifeboat.
After re-reading your post, I wonder if your moniker has anything to do with who you really are.
Long May You Ride (to those that deserve to),
Paladin
January 28th, 2013 at 11:51 am
lynn Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
“Rebel, Would you mind giving me your mailing address and email address, please.. I spoke with my sister and she asked me to get these from you if possible..she would like to write you and tell her side of the story so you can hear it from her and not just others..So, everyone thats so interested in this case will soon get to hear Lisa’s story.”
I’m just wondering if this will ever transpire?
warthog
FTP FTF FTW
January 28th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Hmm I smell piggie, asking for a mailing address and email address
If Rebel does send this how long before it is his doors being blown off and dog getting shot.
January 28th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
I’m gone have to agree with Grumbler and “see how it all shakes out.” Now, with that said, I don’t believe that Rebel would just throw any story or misinformation up on his site. I think he is smart enough to not fall for “counterintelligence”, I know he has his sources, protects them, and I admire and respect him for that. YES, one becomes a rat the moment they start talking. So, will Lisa Bifield still do the time from the plea agreement or will she walk free?
I’m not up to making much, if any, new acquaintances these days. Even if they come from MY trusted lot. You never know whose thumb they may be under. With the highest regards and respect to those that deserve it. – swampy
P.S. @ Lynn, no, you go suck one, after all, you gotta’ be good for something.
January 28th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
@WARTHOG,
If Lynn wants Rebel’s email address it’s under the “contact” icon, that’s at the top of this site’s home page.
Long May You Ride (to those that deserve to),
Paladin
January 28th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
@Paladin,
I was more wondering if Lisa is still interested in giving her side of the story.
“Lynn” has left a message trail 5 miles wide. I’m scratching my head on this one:
lynn Says: January 18th, 2013 at 3:20 pm anon, I was in the courtroom along with her daughter the day she & Dan took their plea…The judge told Lisa that her charge carried 5 to life, however her attorney has told us she would get 5 yrs… the judge also said 5 yrs supervision after she is released.. The judge told dan he faces 0 to 20 years and upon release he will be under 3 yrs of supervision..I went and spoke with both of them afterwards and they both seemed a bit astounded that the judge said 5 to life on lisas, even though we are told shes getting 5…The judge has the power over the sentencing..this is alot to consume and I’m not trying to get bitter with anyone but she is our immediate family and this is a very touchy subject..thank you all for caring though..Lisa is not out here to speak for herself so sometimes, we (the family) have to speak on her behalf to clarify some thngs..
Comments, anyone?
warthog
FTP FTF FTW
January 28th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Rebel I have a question for you. Why have we not heard more about the ultimate RAT Fred Keach? It is a fact, he is not going to trial (except as a witness). He was one of 4 people on the witness list called out in court during jury selection -
Fred Keach, Big Ron, Lisa and Trent Brown are the witnesses that will take the stand. That is public record and cannot be disputed. Their names were called out as witnesses during the jury selection process recently.
I have seen no mention of the fact that Fred Keach is the STAR witness for the prosecution! While Lisa’s testimony will be damaging Fred’s will be devastating, he was in the middle of everything.
What about Big Ron?
What about Trent Brown?
Why are we totally focused on one ole lady who was never even a patch holder but we are letting the others go unmentioned???
January 28th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
I don’t buy what you’re selling that Dan knew in advance and told her to “do what you have to do”. Though it would be illegal by way of potentially intimidating a witness for Dan to attempt to exert any pressure on how Lisa my or may not testify, you leave out pertinent facts.
Since they were both locked down, there was ZERO communication between the two except the short session described on this page. Dan’s “deal” was and always was, his own freedom for his wife’s. Had he known in advance she might testify (thus already earning the modified sentence on her own) do you think he would have offered himself up for 20 years in addition? His plea would not have been necessary if Lisa has already been cooperating, would it? it also seems highly unlikely that during that one time session between them, Lisa would tell him of her full involvement thus far, and her plans to appear as a witness for the prosecution.
You speak of her “children”. There is only one minor child. This fact you seem unaware of leads me to believe you are in no way close or connected to the people involved.
Further, no one who would testify against friends, family is “doing what they have to do’. They are doing what they WANT to do. While it may seem too much to expect a non club member and a female to take one for the team, is it unfair to assume that everyone involved (allegedly) was an adult and if what is on the tapes is true, no one ‘deserves’ a pass at the expense of others.
If Lisa was cooperating, signed something that she WOULD cooperate, then even if she NEVER takes the stand she is still a a RAT>>>>>>>
Does this mean those who know and lover her should abandon her? No.
But don’t try to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. I am not buying that she did any of this for the sake of her daughter, or for any other reason except absolute 100% pure self serving reasons. If you say that doesn’t make her a “bad” person, fine by me. I see no distinction between what she has done and what the original paid informant in the case did. Both were motivated purely for selfish concerns at the expense of everyone else.
Many families with many children are affected by this and Lisa isn’t “special” in that regard.
January 28th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
I just want to say all this trash talking and bashing is not helping ANYONE. I have refrained from commenting on ANY of this about Lisa and I will continue to refrain from commenting negatively about her. I know if this does turn out to be true it will hurt Diamond deeply and THAT’s what I’m concerned about. You people need to remember that Dan gets copies of this and reads all that is posted so I’m asking please refrain from your bashing and trash talking. I have spoken to Lisa and Dan in the last couple of days and I just can’t bring myself to say where she stands, YET. I have to support Diamond and his feelings for his sake. I was wondering when all the bashing was going to start and the silence lasted longer than I thought but all of that is not doing ANYONE any good. Rebel is a reporter and he reports what he is believed to be facts but do you believe everything you here in the news? (No disrespect, Rebel. Just trying to make a point.) If you want to “trash talk” please go somewhere else and I know all about freedom of speech.(I defended it for 20 years!) Just please have the decency to respect Diamond and think about what he is going through whether you think he brought this upon himself or not. Thank You!
January 28th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
” but I see where this is going ..you can’t beat up on her so you try to get to me. It doesn’t work that way. But its okay. I can take the punches. I’m sure you’ll hear from Dan soon.”
Lynn, you flatter yourself way too much. None of this is about you and I doubt anyone cares what your position is. You simply like the attention.
Then you throw out Dan’s name as if you speak on his behalf.
Again only reason you are here is to tail gate off your sister……
January 28th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
well said about Lynn. Shes not even a small piece of the story but she wants it to all be about her. Who cares about her sniveling.
January 28th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
@Friend of Dan,
Agreed! That is why I have refrained from negativity concerning this matter and only commented that for her sake i hope its false, because and only because it would devestate Dan, he loves her. Well said FOD!
L&R
January 28th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
@WARTHOG,
I may be wrong, but I don’t think her original plea agreement included testifing against the other defendents in this case. However, I think that after her and Dan’s original pleas were entered into the record, she was approached by the Government or she reached out to the Government and offered her testimony in exchange for witness protection and her freedom. I don’t believe the Government’s initial offer was sweet enough to include her testimony at trial.
Keep in mind that the Government hopes that Lisa’s sworn testimony will be key, in convicting the other defendents in this case, thereby crippling or completely destroying the Rock Hell chapter.
@Friend of Dan,
You stated, “I have spoken to Lisa and Dan in the last couple of days and I just can’t bring myself to say where she stands, YET.”
So, you know exactly where Lisa stands, but you lack the courage to put into print.
If all of this turns out to be wrong, I’ll be the first one to apoligize for any and all of my comments on this thread. Until then, my back’s to you, Lisa and anyone that would condone her behavior, or the behavior of any of the Governments’ so called witnesses.
Long May You Ride (to those that deserve to),
Paladin
January 28th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Yes, while she may only have one minor child, she does have children. Grandchildren also. Lisa and Dan did have communication, daily letters from each other.
Bashing anyone doesn’t solve anything. There are so many families affected by this case. Please if anything take the time to write to those who are still behind bars instead of wasting energy bickering with people you haven’t had the pleasure of meeting.
January 28th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Rebel,
Since I know you can and do check IPs from time to time, can you check whether recent posts by “lynn” are from the same IP as the previous lynn. “Her” tone has changed on this thread, but that may not be hard to believe. However, there seems to be a newfound Southern drawl to her posts, which makes it seem like there may be an imposter posting under the name.
In any case, I’m inclined to trust Rebel’s reporting and find the situation sad. For all of “lynn”‘s talk, there’s a certain irony in invoking loyalty to justify supporting disloyalty, assuming all is true.
Regardless of what crimes may or may not have transpired, I think we can all agree that the overcharging and over-sentencing in federal cases is bullshit and is used to coerce pleas and long sentences than are justified even if the crime was committed. It doesn’t just happen in MC cases. It’s business as usual.
January 28th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
I could’t agree with Friend of Dan anymore. This trash talking and bashing is uncalled for. Neither Dan nor Leisa would care to see these comments. It looks to me as if Leisa’s sister simply made a couple comments and people starting bashing her over the fact that she cares for her sister. No matter the outcome of any of this, I nor anyone else could expect any of Leisas family members to turn on Leisa if this article for some reason ends up being true. And to whomever “To Lynn ” is, Lynn has hardly commented on any of the articles until recently. I know Lynn fairly well and she has been basically silent in this scenerio up until now.. She definitly does not care for the attention and can not help that her sister is who she is. Flattery, you say…not a chance…If it were any of your bothers or siters, mothers or fathers in this situation, would you not step up and try and defend their name??? Right or wrong.. they are still family.. I don’t see any sniveling or position claiming other than she stated the fact that she and Leisa are sisters…She obviously cares and has no control over any decision or choices that Leisa may or may not make.
January 28th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Dear PHRAFFA,
Fred Keach’s name has been coming up for months. I heard about Ron Byrum and Trent Brown after the voir dire. I was going to name all four in a story I wrote Friday, then I thought better of it. I’m one guy in Los Angeles trying hard to get a case in South Carolina right. From what I have heard, Lisa Bifield’s debriefing seems to have done the most damage.
I don’t know that Fred Keach will be the star witness for the prosecution. I don’t doubt you when you say that. I really don’t. It makes sense because of when he just up and disappeared. I think I mentioned that Keach was “probably” cooperating in a story a couple of months ago. The other two guys I just heard about last week.
I am very reluctant — for lots of reasons including club politics — to hang a snitch jacket on anybody. I am particularly reluctant to accuse a brother in a brand name motorcycle club of cooperaing just because his name is on a witness list or, in Keach’s case, because many people assume he is cooperating. Man, I asssumed George Bush knew what he was doing when he went to war in Iraq.
Lisa Bifield I got cold. When I named her on Saturday I did so because what I wrote was provably true. I made the decision last Friday not to label Lisa Bifield, Keach, Byrum and Brown as cooperators just because they are on the prosecution’s witness list. There are an awful lot of yuppies in the DOJ who play games. For real. I got more on Lisa Bifield on Saturday so I named her.
Big, giant junks of this case are sealed, you realize? Nobody is supposed to know any of this shit.
I’m close to saying out loud what you just said out loud. I’m just not there yet. I’m not trying to protect informers. I’m just trying to be minimally competent. If The State scoops me, so be it.
You have my email address, right? Just in case there are any pieces of paper you would like to share. I protect sources.
Rebel
January 28th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Dear anon,
I believe that Lynn is Lisa Bifield’s sister. She has posted here using other screen handles as well. I think her position on her sister has been consistent.
Rebel
January 28th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Rebel-
I’m not local,but i’ll see if I can get you in contact with someone who is.
Respects,
Caretaker
January 28th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Thanks, Rebel. Between the new antagonism and the changes in spelling, it seemed like it could be someone else stirring up some bullshit. I trust your judgment.
January 28th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
I don’t think anyone who has posted on this board feels like Dan “brought this on himself.” I can respect your position which is based on a personal relationship with both parties. I can only speak for myself however.
This is a forum. 99% of those posting don’t personally know Dan or Lisa so factor that in. The reactions you are seeing would be the exact same reactions if it was any other club or any other two human beings.
Everyone gets to have a say here unless and until Rebel says they don’t, and that hardly ever happens. I haven’t seen anyone but PHRAFFA say anything disrespectful towards Dan. if anything, even in what you call the “bashing” of Lisa, most here sympathize.
I respect how you feel, but you have no right to tell long time posters to “take their bashing elsewhere”. And if you have any sway, put Lynn on a leash and do the board a favor.
January 28th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Puzzled and confused need to get together and have a little pig love-in.
January 28th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
AVAGOVFFV
Years ago an old man approached me while I was sitting on my shovelhead in a grocery store parking lot. He didn’t introduce himself, just walked up and said, “What’s the difference between a harley davidson and an electrolux vacuum cleaner?” I said. “I don’t know.” The old man said “With an electrolux the trash rides on the inside.” I laughed my ass off.
January 28th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Dear PHRAFFA,
Are you a cop?
Rebel
January 28th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
@To Paladin
I guess your post will be your little secret. I may not know all the details in this case, but I have a pretty good handle on how these things work.
The fact that you use my road name to reply to my post speaks volumes. You’re probably also using the monikers “To Friend of Dan”, “To PHRAFFA”, and “Friend of Lisa”. My guess is that you’re either Lynn, or a cop. Either way, it doesn’t really matter. You have no horsepower and carry no weight.
Long May You Ride (to those that deserve to)
Paladin
January 28th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Lisa’s a rat and she’s fucking over honorable people, and especially the one who was more than willing to give up basically the rest of his life to keep her out of jail as long as possible or in it the shortest amount of time. No one deserves more respect than someone who would do such a thing, and the rat deserves nothing but scorn and disgust, along with anyone who thinks being a rat is okay.
Damn straight anyone who defends her is shit just the same, and yes, I treat family who fucks up just as I do strangers. My younger brother fucked up 11 years ago and he got to have me point my cocked Colt 45 auto at his face and tell him to never come around me again.
Shit needs to be treated like shit no matter where it sits or where it comes from.
January 28th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
I hope all the people that have shown so much concern for the plight of Lisa Bifield will be able to find the time in their busy schedules to show some of that same concern for the accused that Lisa&Co. plan to testify against next month.
The accused that are going to trial in this case aren’t department store manequins. They’re real people, with real wives, childeren, and extended families. I wonder how they feel, knowing that their so called brothers and sister are planing to do their level best, to send them all to prison for a very, very long time.
I get the fact that this thread is all about Romeo and Juliet (Dan and Lisa), but there are other lives at stake as well.
Long May You Ride (to those that deserve to),
Paladin
January 28th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Exactly right. Enough of the politically correct shit. Lisa damn sure deserves no damn sympathy at all. The ones deserving the sympathy are the ones she has already shit on and the ones she is fixing to shit on.
I hope her kids are proud of her. She sells out her husband who loves her and a bunch of friends to save her own ass. What part of that deserves sympathy. A rat is a fucking rat.
January 28th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
No Rebel I am not a cop.
The feds read this site daily and it would not be good for my health if identified. Trust me or not, it isn’t important.
Dan’s direct actions placed everyone in this situation. This does not excuse people turning on each other but it was bound to happen. The club knew what he was doing and they didn’t like it but they never stopped it either (nobody felt they had the authority). Now all is said and done and not a single person is innocent in this case. They may not be what the feds say but they are not innocent either. Yet if not for Dan everyone’s petty crimes would have gone unnoticed by the feds as it always had.
Fred Keach has been moved to Richland county and he will be under witness protection when this is all over. Lisa has no such deal. So who is the big time witness then?
Rebel I am like you in that I do a lot of research and I listen very well. I am at EVERY court proceeding also.
January 28th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
PHRAFFA:
Your overly protectiveness of another man’s wife, while at the same time denigrating that same man, reveals you have both some sort of agenda and a lack of objectivity.
Are you a rogue attorney? You’ve read all the charges, listened to all the tapes, attended each hearing and you take elaborate pains to say with each post, how “guilty” the accused are.
You start with how the “feds read this page daily” then go on to suggest the entire charter was aware of what Dan was doing.
I do not think you are a rogue attorney and I believe you are a dsinformation prvbo
January 28th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
PHRAFFA:
Your overly protectiveness of another man’s wife, while also denigrating that same man, reveals you have both some agenda and a deliberate lack of objectivity.
Are you a rogue attorney? You’ve read all the charges, listened to all the tapes, attended each hearing and you take elaborate pains to say with each post, how “guilty” the accused are.
You start with how the “feds read this page daily” then go on to suggest the entire charter was aware of what Dan was doing, in effect implicating EVERYONE.
Who is this stupid? How could you know the things you claim to know and still be so blatantly ignorant?
You appear on the board with no prelude, at the height of confusion and conflict, and proclaim to be the “expert”.
I do not think you are an attorney. I do not think you have some special inside view. But I DO think you have a bias toward Diamond Dan that apparently no one else shares.
Why?
Disinformation? Is this like charades for you?
The feds actually do read this page daily and the weaker minded ones simply cannot resist attempting to ‘infiltrate” a public website. How cool is that?
Rebel should invoice the ATF for its use of his blog for training rookies.
And you are a rookie indeed, whatever your motive is.
It’s like how narcotics officers in the old days would grow their hair long, study the “drug culture”, stop shaving a few days, then try to make a buy wearing a $75.00 pair of Ray Bans.
There is always a “tell” in every poker hand.
Are you Joe the Rat?
No one uses “AFFA” in a screen name then slams a brother. No one mentions the “club’s” dissatisfaction and foreknowledge of felony RICO activities on a public site, and do so under the guise of trying to protect someone, defend them.
I’m willing to be wrong, but I don’t think I am. You’d be so well known someone, when you least expect it, would likely make you eat your Ray Bans…….
Any of this tracking for you?
You are not who or what you are attempting to portray here.
PHRAFFA:
Your overly protectiveness of another man’s wife, while also denigrating that same man, reveals you have both some agenda and a deliberate lack of objectivity.
Are you a rogue attorney? You’ve read all the charges, listened to all the tapes, attended each hearing and you take elaborate pains to say with each post, how “guilty” the accused are.
You start with how the “feds read this page daily” then go on to suggest the entire charter was aware of what Dan was doing, in effect implicating EVERYONE.
Who is this stupid? How could you know the things you claim to know and still be so blatantly ignorant?
You appear on the board with no prelude, at the height of confusion and conflict, and purport to be the “expert”; the voice of authority.
I do not think you are an attorney. I do not think you have some special inside view. But I DO think you have a bias toward Diamond Dan that apparently no one else shares.
Why?
Disinformation? Is this like charades for you?
The feds actually do read this page daily and the weaker minded ones simply cannot resist attempting to ‘infiltrate” a public website. How cool is that?
Rebel should invoice the ATF for its use of his blog for training rookies.
And you are a rookie indeed, whatever your motive is.
It’s like how narcotics officers in the old days would grow their hair long, study the “drug culture”, stop shaving a few days, then try to make a buy wearing a $75.00 pair of Ray Bans.
There is always a “tell” in every poker hand.
Are you Joe the Rat?
No one uses “AFFA” in a screen name then slams a brother. No one mentions the “club’s” dissatisfaction and foreknowledge of felony RICO activities on a public site, and do so under the guise of trying to protect someone, defend them.
I’m willing to be wrong, but I don’t think I am. You’d be so well known someone, when you least expect it, would likely make you eat your Ray Bans…….
Any of this tracking for you?
January 28th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Rebel’s purpose in posting this story was to abate and limit any further damage prosecution witnesses might cause.
Beyond that, anything anyone posts further only serves to hurt Bifield, hurt anyone who hasn’t yet been sentenced, and hurt anyone who faces trial.
The feds read and post here daily. They’ve done damage control and perception management on this case since it began.
They will use anything said here, no matter what the poster intended, to say that the defendants are dangerous, violent, and evil men who will harm innocent people.
We know nothing could be further from the truth.
Bottom line: unless Rebel has further information to provide that will help the defendants and those involved in the case, we need to shut the fuck up.
Those of us who are here and who live this life don’t have anything to add at this point, and there isn’t anything we can do. We don’t have anything to say, anything to add, or anything of value to contribute here- because anything we do say will be used against those in jeopardy here. This is one time the option to exercise freedom of speech should not be taken.
The people who are driving the conversation here are those who have a vested interested in seeing government witnesses do the maximum amount of damage in order to receive a minimum of punishment and government rewards. They are law enforcement provocateurs. They are the handlers and cops who are orchestrating this. They are supposed family members of individuals who have cooperated with the government to imprison and rob others of their liberty. They are old, supposedly currently non-active cops who rat their own kind out for legal consulting fees and hang out on an internet biker forum while looking down their noses both at us bikers “who need to change our image and behavior” and also at his fellow snitches who didn’t have the previous privilege to wear a badge.
Every informant and infiltrator has themselves convinced that they’re now on the side of right. Every cop, active or not, sees themselves as the great shining knight on the side of right. The largest common denominator is that they’ve ruined a lot of lives, they’re ruining more lives, and the only thing continuing this discussion does is allow them to further that agenda while maintaining a clear conscience about what they’re doing and have done.
This isn’t about showing support for Bifield or his club, this isn’t about condemning those who would debase themselves to save themselves at the expense of implicating others.
This is about something much bigger- it is not possible to get justice in this system.
At the very least don’t provide further ammunition to be used against those who will go through this in the future in some similar witch hunt.
Exercise your right to remain silent for the sake of those on trial, and those yet to face trial.
Cliff Notes Version: We’re bikers, we gain nothing by airing our feelings, our grievances, or opinions in a public forum. To paraphrase what two great MC’s would say: MF and ARGO NUNYA.
-BigV
January 28th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
@PHRAFFA,
Attending court proceedings is like watching TV or a movie. You only get to see what has been decided to be shown. You don’t get to see what goes on behind the scenes. Judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys make deals that never see the light of day. I doubt you really know what kind of a deal Lisa does or doesn’t have.
This case started out with twenty defendents, nine of which have already plead guilty. Lisa&Co. will testify against the others, which in all probability will seal their fate.
For the Government, scoring convictions on all of the remaining defendents will be the equivalent of bowling a perfect game. The Government isn’t going to pass up a chance at media event of that magnitude. The Government will have Lisa on Dancing With The Stars, if they believe it will enhance their chances of bowling a perfect game.
Long may You Ride (to those that deserve to),
Paladin
January 28th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
@ BIGV
Yes.
January 28th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
BigV: You laid it out there pretty good between the lines. Searching back a bit I think I saw the post you referenced with: “who need to change our image and behavior”, and whereas I hadn’t seen it like you till now, I am in complete agreement at this point. VERY observant, and articulate, regarding that individual, and a great post overall on such a tragic subject.
January 28th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Big V said: “Those of us who are here and who live this life don’t have anything to add at this point, and there isn’t anything we can do. We don’t have anything to say, anything to add, or anything of value to contribute here- because anything we do say will be used against those in jeopardy here. This is one time the option to exercise freedom of speech should not be taken.”
Well said.
January 29th, 2013 at 12:00 am
BigV says:
“Rebel’s purpose in posting this story was to abate and limit any further damage prosecution witnesses might cause.”
So, please explain how Rebel’s story was supposed to accomplish this?
BigV says:
“They will use anything said here, no matter what the poster intended, to say that the defendants are dangerous, violent, and evil men who will harm innocent people.”
I don’t believe that anyone has posted anything that would insinuate or infer that the defendents are dangerous, violent, evil, or that they will harm innocent people. In fact, the only person that has used those adjectives is you.
BTW, I don’t think Rebel would have posted this story, if he truly believed that the posted comments would harm the defendents case.
Long May You Ride (to those that deserve to)
Paladin
January 29th, 2013 at 6:03 am
@Big V, ARGO-NUNYA words to live by.Very good post.
Hose-a 1%er Pagan’s M.C.Retired,F.T.F.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:34 am
I also don’t see any posts that could harm the defendants any either. As you yourself said, BigV – the feds are gonna do what they want whether us peons say anything or not. Us *not* posting our feelings about what’s happening or any person(s) involved in this is just giving the feds/pigs the knowledge that they can ‘scare’ us. They (the feds/pigs) will make up the charges as they see fit, whether they’re bullshit or not, no matter what any one of us says or *doesn’t* say…hell, many of Rebel’s articles *prove* that. So what’s the feds/pigs gonna do…look in here and see that some stranger who has nothing to do with the Rock Hell Angels said that one of their OL’s is a rat and add RICO charges against someone for it?
As I see it, Rebel posts his articles to get opinions and let people know how fucked up the government is against far too many innocents, like far too many in MC’s. He gets as much information from reading those opinions as entertainment. People see his articles and can contact him with more/better info or simply place it out in the open for dissemination by the masses. This also lets the feds/pigs who do come here to read to get a gist of how those masses feel about the way they’re doing things and leading the nation into turning into a turd world country with their ways of justice anymore. The *less* people speak up about rats and those feds/pigs, the *more* those rats (and those thinking of becoming rats) and feds/pigs know they’re scaring the populace into shutting their faces and taking the justice meted out whether the populace likes it or not.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:46 am
Learn to read. “Rebel’s purpose in posting this story was to abate and limit any further damage prosecution witnesses might cause.”
Some of the shit posted here could blow back on the defendants. SOme of the people posting here are pigs.
1+1=2
FTF/FTP
TOSIAR
5 to 1
SYLO
January 29th, 2013 at 7:43 am
With 4TB of documentation and video, my guess is that the feds don’t really need to be looking here to find anything they can use in court (even if there was anything). I see no harm in calling a rat, a rat, and voicing our displeasure of the “just-us” system.
I also want to let those going to trial know that they have my full support and admiration to stand up against the machine and say you’re full of shit and fuck you.
L&R,
warthog
FTP FTF FTW
January 29th, 2013 at 9:03 am
This entire case reminds me of my favorite oxymoron, pretty ugly.
KK
January 29th, 2013 at 9:17 am
@ Paladin
It’s not that I ” lack the courage ” to say. It’s I haven’t really made up my mind yet on what to believe. THAT’S what I meant. After talking to Lisa and hearing her side she sounds sincere and adimate. I asked her straight out and told her there was really no use in hiding it if it is true because it will all come out in the end and she steadfastly denies it. ALSO, I am NOT a cop or a rouge. I am a regular Joe living my life and trying to be a Friend to Dan. Since the beginning I have tried to be there for him whether it be making a phone call for him to set up a visit or to tell someone how to set up to receive a phone call for him. I have attended ALL, except bond hearing, of his hearings. I don’t do it to be in Club business or to get attention. I do it to act as a friend as He has always been to me since I first met him in Jul 08.
@ To Friend Of Dan
I think I stated in my comment about knowing all about freedom of speech and maybe I used the wrong words to tell people to “take their bashing elsewhere” but I meant it. Just the bashing part. I know people have their opinions and right to voice them but all I was saying was to please respect Diamond enough to not post trashtalk here where he will see them. He is going through enough right now. I’m just trying to look out for him is all.
I have emailed Rebel and had some correspondence with him so he knows I am a sincere and real person. I also know people can and will think what they want so I’m not getting caught up in all this drama nor do I want to say something that shouldn’t be said.
As far as me having any sway with Lynn and putting “on a leash” well, aren’t you now going against what you preach? She is just voicing her opinion and reacting to things being said. If someone insults your family or talks bad against them would you not take up for them?
Thanks Rebel for your hard work and insight.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:36 am
@Sieg – Okay, so tell me…what would be the difference in this story being in some newspaper and/or its website and allowing the general public to comment? Would you go there and tell everyone to STFU? Do you think the paper would let you? Do you really think that any or all of the ‘comments’ would do anything more to *anyone* in the case than the prostitutors haven’t already done or are going to do? Of course not.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Dear PHRAFFA,
I’ll tell you what, pal. You have my atention. My first thought was that you are Steve Cook, but I think he is smarter than you are. Maybe I overestimate him. Sorry I missed you last week Steve. Charles says “Hi.”
Your screen handle includes the palindroma AFFA, which suggests you are a Hells Angel but I don’t believe that is the case. I don’t believe any Angel would publicly talk about Dan Bifield the way you have. Maybe in private but not in front of me and definitely not in front of the world. I don’t think any Outlaw, Pagan, Warlock or any patch holder in any other club that maintains cordial or uncordial relations with the HAMC would publicly talk about Bifield the way you have. Motorcycle outlaws are the most punctilious men anywhere. Don’t talk about it PHRAFFA. Be about it. So why PHRAFFA? Why not, say, PHRADIOS?
You have some insider knowledge of the case. You state you have seen video. Not many people have seen the discovery in the case? Probably less than 100. So that narrows your identity down right there.
You are commenting from multiple IPs. I think you are probably using a proxy server. Maybe you’re a truck driver.
Okay, you are at “EVERY court proceeding.” Hmmm. Usually, when I am in federal court, there is me and there are people who I can identify, the parties in the case and relatives and well-wishers. Usually, there is just me and I don’t usually attend every proceeding in a case. A couple of months ago I was in a courtroom with Darrin Kozlowski. I eye fucked him some and he wouldn’t make eye contact with me. Usually, it is like that. You represent that you already have insider knowledge of the prosecution’s strategy. You know where Big Fred is.
What you are telling me about Lisa Bifield is at odds with what sources tell me. You also miss the point. The DOJ used dispicable subterfuge to trick the lead defendant into taking a terrible plea deal. Prosecutors used the threat of unconstitutional, extra-judicial punishment to blackmail Dan Bifield into pleading guilty. Now it turns out his wife was in on this de facto entrapment all along. She was the bait and chief saleswoman. The point of the Lisa Bifield story is federal dirty tricks, not the heiracrchy of snitches.
I always know more than I say. Everybody knows that. I don’t underestimate the Feds. Feds, at least on the West Coast, know not to underestimate me. I’m just a minor annoyance unless you are so stupid that you give me something to work with. Then there is the real possibility that I could fuck up your next performance review and leave a black mark on your permanent record. Call somebody, dude.
I notice you have not emailed me and I notice you are trying to spin the case. Typically, I get an email that says, like, “No! No Rebel! You got it wrong. You moron!” Why don’t you send me a video file or two? Click some ads while you’re at it.
I do a lot of work with a psychic in Dubai City. Well, actually, she calls herself a djinn. I asked her about you yesterday. All she said was, “I smell donuts.”
If it quacks, its a duck.
Are you new at this?
Please keep talking. Tell me more PHRAFFA. Tell me more. I love the smell of donuts in the morning.
Your pal,
Rebel
January 29th, 2013 at 10:47 am
@PhuqueHead, I didn’t tell anyone to STFU, go back and read my post. I said that some of the things here could possibly blow back on defendants. Any personal shit can be used by Prostitutors to game defendants. I said some people here are pigs. They are.
FTF/FTP
TOSIAR
5 to 1
SYLO
January 29th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Rebel said “A couple of months ago I was in a courtroom with Darrin Kozlowski. I eye fucked him some and he wouldn’t make eye contact with me.”
How dirty you musta felt afterward… Just had to throw that out there.
Seriously, as far as Dan goes, I’ve never personally met the man but from the group of people who have stood up for him both here and in my world outside of the computer and from his actions that Rebel has reported on here I have no basis to have anything but respect and admiration for the man. As far as Lisa goes, I’m not sure. The way things have stacked up for her it’s tough to see her any way but a rat. That being said, I realize that pussy can temporarily blind many people, but that usually doesn’t translate into the love of your life. She is that to Dan, he’s said so himself If I respect and believe Dan at his word (his actions have also backed those words up) then I’m on the fence about whether calling her out as a rat goes against Dan. To me almost everything is black and white, there’s hardly ever anything that sits on the fence. I just can’t seem to throw the 2 of them on opposite sides of the fence right now.
January 29th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
@ Rebel LMFAO YOU are THE Man!!
@Chesty Welcome to my world because that’s exactly how I’m feeling about this.
January 29th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
@ Rebel LMAO YOU are THE Man!
@ Chesty Exactly how I feel and the point I was trying to make.
January 29th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Rebel, said “The point of the Lisa Bifield story is federal dirty tricks,not the heiracrchy of snitches.”
Thanks for that Rebel. It’s the whole point of the web page, I hope,
Ronbo
January 29th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
I see that my opposing view is not necessarily welcome here. Rebel I had more respect for you before that last post where you attempted to insult my intelligence and generally sounded snide. Rebel I would not spend much money with that psychic if I were you, she is a fraud.
I do not go with the flow, I believe in looking at a situation and sizing it up the way I see it. I respect the opinions and the perspective of other people also and have been known to change my position when a good argument is made, none has been made here so far…
Rebel this is your site and I respect that. Seeing that my perspective is unwelcome I will retire back to other activities. I do wish however that you all would keep an open mind and realize truth is truth regardless of your passion or dislike of the government. Some of you are past jaded and believe what you will regardless of logic.
Remember my points though please, Dan is no hero, he is a charismatic guy but he is no hero in this situation, he is the cause of it all. Lisa is not the evil villain either at least not alone.
Farewell!
January 29th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Dear PHRAFFA,
Oh no, PHRAFFA! You think I’m snide!? You’ve lost “respect” for me?? I’m crushed! I’m crushed!
Why don’t you go fuck with Bandit or Screwdriver for awhile. Ask one of the older, more experienced agents to help you. Come back here when you’re ready to step up.
Rebel
January 29th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
PHRAFFA: You are no patch holder. You’re a fucking cop. And a lying fucking cop at that. PHR was an acronym in one of the VHS Biker Education Videos put out by some dogshit cop from Detroit. PHR was supposed to be Pagan Hating Rider, only thing is I never knew nobody to wear or use PHR.
To Rebel: I am using a proxy, so long as I use one, I will tell in my posts. If you need anything, email me. Thank you for what you are trying to do for Dan and the Rock Hill Crew, and for Dave Burgess and even George Christie.
To NotSurprised, Caretaker, Seig, Glenn S., BigV, Red&Gold, KK, Hose-a: Thank you not piling on more bullshit on top what has happened. Whether you men are Angels or Not, Supporters or Not, thank you for being men and keeping whatever your thoughts are on this situation to yourself. If you men aren’t club brothers in one club or another, find a club to devote your energies to. For those who club brothers, whether your club’s politics matches mine or not, you are men and your clubs are lucky to have you.
To the Rest of You Fucking Idiots and So Called Supporters:
I AM telling you loud mouths to shut your fucking faces and leave my club’s brothers and business out of your mouths and off your fucking screen. You don’t have a goddamn dog in this fight
If you don’t think calling someone a rat is any big deal, no matter what the circumstances, Dan and Lisa and my other brother’s addresses have been posted on BHC and here. Write them and tell them this shit, they’ll see it eventually anyway, but if you write them at least you’ll have had the balls of putting your real name to your bullshit. If you want to “support Dan”- write him a fucking positive letter to cheer him up or send him a book from Amazon. There is a difference between the million pieces of evidence already existing and what gets posted here: we can’t help what the feds have already manufactured against my brothers but idiots like here that have piled with chest beating and shit talking on didn’t have to post this shit here.
If you don’t think that what is said here matters, why do you think the cops have been on here, “So and So Caused people to lose privileges.” “lynn” coming on here with “Dan and his brothers are bad men, Dan’s son is in bad shape and they don’t care”. And the constant barrage of so and so did this, the feds have that, and more. There’s an awful goddamn lot of effort for this not to matter, and that’s just it- it doesn’t have to be here, it doesn’t have to matter if wasn’t here.
BigV didn’t tell nobody to shut up, I am. I have had it with the Keyboard Cheerleaders that have hurt my brothers with their diarrhea of the mouth, their fucking idiot petitions that directly contact the head federal prosecutor, their ignorant fucking comments in that petition.
You are not helping my club. You are not doing anything good for my brothers. You are cheerleading to feel big and see what you have printed and echoed.
I hate phones. I hate the fucking internet. I hate this skulking and hiding and mouthing off that goes on.
I am going back away. I have two posts on here now. That’s two more than what I want on the Internet. I only posted because there were and are those who still want play in shit with the pigs and run their mouths, even after someone took the time to lay it out to you civil.
I don’t feel the need to be civil.
Even A Fish Wouldn’t Get Caught if He Kept His Mouth Shut.
HA Durham Heavy 1%er
(Not My Road Name)
January 29th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFiIJ4vW2IU
January 29th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Dear PHRAFFA:
Diamond Dan certainly is his own kind of hero. He isn’t charismatic, I don’t think, it is just that he has that kind of integrity which comes from having no natural fear of any man or thing. Most honest guy you’d ever meet, he would rather lose a body part than break his word to a friend.
Hero to a lot of people actually, though I doubt he would see himself that way. If you ever had occasion to spend the night at his house, you got the bed and he took the floor and a blanket. There was no arguing with him about it.
Christmas or Thanksgiving, if there was anyone he knew that was in need, especially if they had kids, he’d see they got food or they would eat at his table.
Anyone who was close to him would be nodding their heads in agreement right now. He’d make you call when you got home form some event or party, even if it was 2 AM. If you forgot or were just too wasted, you’d fucking hear about it the next time you spoke with him.
He cares more about the people in his life than probably 90% of us.
I guess my point is that, no matter what, if you were his friend, he assumed a responsibility for you.
So hypothetically, if he found a lucrative situation, he wasn’t the type to keep it all for himself. Draw your own conclusions as you want.
But you cannot have it both ways. Any man who’d willingly take a 20 year bullet for someone he loves cannot also then be the things you say he is.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
In my line of work….one of the first things we learned was not to stereotype ANYONE. If a biker or a person driving a Benz comes in….treat them the same. They are still humans. Nine times out of ten the biker is going to show you more respect. Judge not lest ye be judged…..calling someone “biker trash” is very elementary. Its sad when someone has to call someone names just to make themselves feel better.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
@SOS, rite on! The whole “biker trash” comment was crass and unjustified! I don’t have a personal stake in this, but I will say this, I have been truly blessed to have “biker trash” as family. I love them more than they probably even know. I have been blessed to have been in the presence of his brothers and their ol ladies and been made to feel welcomed EVERY time. I have been in the company of a multitude of variations of people in my life, and I can honestly say that if I ever needed someone to have my back, I believe those “biker trash” would be the FIRST and probably only to step up. So thank you very much, but I think I made a great choice “messing with biker trash”
Much love and respect! <3
January 31st, 2013 at 8:42 pm
I hope it isnt true, I love gals, and try as much as I can to respect them, I have said it before, I would never allow my ole lady in any of my trips if I were doing something I shouldnt be doing,Im old school..,I hope this isnt true. nice work rebel. Tim D.
February 1st, 2013 at 7:13 pm
I’m a life long friend of Lisa and and Lynn. So y Lisa got involve in this situation is beyound me. To involve herself in this wrongful doing with the class iv always known her to have and Lynn as well. Class means upstanding lady- mother- friend – wife- citizen. Just make sure u all understand. Just saying. Her husband Dan wants her out of this legal situation. He has excepted where she should have never been involved n this situation he choose for himself.btw if u r a biker y r u on here spreading gossip and speaking lies and not riding. Don’t talk unless u understand facts instead of gossip. My intelligence might b above Ur’s. But try to read facts. Not retarded gossip. Good luck with ur stupid issues. I can handle retarded comments. My big girl paties r on and trust me I know facts not gossip. Peace out.
February 1st, 2013 at 7:39 pm
By the way Lisa never sold info to save herself. That y shes still n Lexington county without bail. Gossip till u drop. These kind of rebals exist everywhere. Stand by facts instead of trashy gossip volume. I’m not affraid of facts. This is my name. Look me up. I’m a real person. Not fake as all u r with hidden names. Stories n fairy tails have more facts then trashy volume. No offense meant to Mr. Rebel if that’s ur name. Aka don
February 2nd, 2013 at 12:08 am
Crsy hntr
Ntil u lern how 2 spel ur intelligence might not b abuv nybodys here dspite wut gossip they say. I 2 m a real person. Glad ur big panties r on
Over n out
10g
February 2nd, 2013 at 6:29 am
Beat me to it 10GAUGE. An illiterate telling others they’re not intelligent is as stupid as a sack of hammers.
February 2nd, 2013 at 9:24 am
chrissie hunter said: “My intelligence might b above Ur’s.”
I hope to fuck you’re not texting while driving.
February 2nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm
And here I thought nothing would make me laugh today! I try my hardest not to judge so thankfully I don’t have to say anything. Those posts write the jokes all by themselves!! Fuckin eh awesome…
Im gunna spend 2day wurking on my intel… um my smartz. So I can b lik SMRT
JMacK
February 2nd, 2013 at 3:10 pm
10GUAGE: That’s some good stuff there. lol
rgr ovr n out
KK
February 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Well i was on my kindle fire . the spell check thing is a pain. my point n what i was saying is ur beating up on a sister. ur trashing her sister. sorry u don’t understand the shoes she walks n
family is number one to people like us. i see the cant begin to wrap my mind around that. now family to me is unconditional love. no mater what they do u have their back. sorry rebal. lisa isn’t a rat and u r very misinformed. the truth will end all this.. I’m sure lynn will not get theapologizing she deserves . sad people deal with misinformation such as gossip . kind of like a stupid talk show.
February 2nd, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Sorry about our difference n thinking. my understandin is dan loves his wife and her family. he I’m sure loves his family. the evidence may just b y the peading took place. My understanding. is lisa and dan as well as others r going to prison. I’m shocked knowing lisa so long she is involved in these charges. she’s. been a real good friend to me that iv always respected. I’m sure u all that know dan feel the same. lisas my friend. that’s her husband i respect him as well. i don’t know what really these crimes r
but lisa is not rat. she stands strong
. respect dan if u have loyalty and respect his wife. t y
February 2nd, 2013 at 4:08 pm
I just do not understand someone posting this stuff. name calling. lynn doesn’t think bikers r trash. she’s hurt by things being said. if u usually throw stones. well. u might get hit back by a stone. she loves dan. for to her that’s her brother. if he’s such a great friend to u all. y do u all disrespect his wife?
February 2nd, 2013 at 4:08 pm
chrissie hunter said: “…lisa isn’t a rat…”
Assuming that belief is sincere, I can’t fault someone for standing for a friend.
February 2nd, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Chrissie,
If you actually knew how to spell then you wouldnt need spellcheck. Wow, I question your intellectuallity!
February 2nd, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Chrissie said “if he’s sucj a great friend,why are you disrespecting his wife?” Simple… She’s a rat. She ratted him out to save her own ass
February 2nd, 2013 at 8:53 pm
chrissie hunter,
Just a quick question. If you are such a good friend of Lisa’s and this is your real name, why haven’t you made a post on Diamond Dan’s Support Page on Facebook? It’s been up since mid-November 2012. Lynn has made posts there…
warthog
FTP FTF FTW
February 2nd, 2013 at 11:34 pm
@Chrissie
Spelling, punctuation and actual sentence structure are all considered indications of intellect, whether using a Kindle or chiseling letters into a stone. While it might be admirable to take up for your friend, you might also want to consider picking your friends more wisely.
No whut eye meen?
February 3rd, 2013 at 6:31 am
I enjoy the spellin jokes. but I’m sure u understand my point. the touch screen thing is a issue and spell ck is not nice. but i am glad someone beleives n friendship loyalties . t y for that. try to understand sister loyalty. On the note about lisas husband i honestly don’t know him. so i can’t give an honest opinion. i respect my friend lisa and so i will respect her husband. idk who did or didn’t do what so i don’t have an opinion . but what i do. know is lisa is no rat. iv known her and she’s a loyal friend. as well as i am. my understanding is she’s not gonna b free for a long time. but that’s just what i was told. i was sad to c lynn so upset about the words on this page. she’s a loyal sister and didn’t deserve the horrible things posted to her. I’m no angel. i know out of anger we all can say hurtful things. this gossip is awful without proof of what’s being posted. gossip is all i c. if u understand friendship loyalties . y not understand family loyalties. sorry if what i spell like offends . but this gossip is offensive. idk if some on here don’t just like. b part if drama , gossip , or just hurtful i will say their r some loyalties. just not lookin at hurtful comments made. just judging a very hurt ladies comments. look at possible facts and stop b a judge. In the end god judges.
February 3rd, 2013 at 8:13 am
Fuck a pig and fuck their games. don’t feed the trolls. They just chum-up the waters around this shit till no one knows which end is up. “Friends” that don’t know friends spouses, sisters that hate on spouses, I doubt very much that ANY of em are who they say they are.
FTF/FTP
TOSIAR
5 to 1
SYLO
February 3rd, 2013 at 9:48 am
Chrissie, assuming for the sake of argument that you are who and what you claim, the truth of the matter will assuredly come out publicly soon enough. I’ve been in the life, and I’ve believed people to be rats when they weren’t and have believed people were not when they were, and paid the price. I’ve seen people promote rumors that “so-and-so is a rat” because they owed them money, because they were fucking somebody they themselves wanted to fuck, and because they were afraid of them. I’ve also seen obvious rats, people who were known to have ratted in the past, to get away with it because, for one reason or another, nobody wanted to think bad of them or were afraid to speak bad of them. And I’ve seen situations that, in hindsight, turned out to be disinformation tactics on the part of the cops. I’ve seen people who, when somebody gets arrested, claim the casual acquaintance was their bestest friend in the whole wide world, while others claim not to have known them at all, and then scramble to change positions when it turns out that the arrestee was either a rat or did the right thing. Human nature is a hell of a variable that is hard to predict sometimes. A friend of mine once said: “The grapevine is a wonderful thing, but when the vine sours, so do the grapes.”
As has been said, most of us here don’t have a dog in this fight, except to the extent that we want to see “our side” win and people more like us than different from us prevail. Some of us are exactly who and what we claim to be, others are not. Probably the best thing we could all do is to withhold judgement, since what we think now won’t have any effect on the outcome. Might be that the only prudent thing to do would be to commit all of the faces of the accused rats to memory to minimize the chances that they’ll show up undercover four states away, if it turns out that they are, in fact, rats.
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:08 am
Sieg,
Sieg says “Friends” that don’t know friends spoeses”…….
Big difference in being “Friends” or “ACUANTANCE” PROBABLY spelled that wrong.
Ronbo
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:15 am
I know that none of you know me, but last August I told you that Lisa had already wrote statements and agreed to testify along with big Ron and several others. You all said that I could’t have known such information and now you see that it is true. Big Ron is now in protective custody on a plea that is based on lessening his sentence based on each conviction he helps bring about. He was sentenced to ten years with time off for each conviction he helps in, looks like he will walk. I told you what it was about but none of you were willing to listen. They were fools for talking around nonmembers both Dan and Lisa. Now so many men are being convicted all because Dan could not keep his mouth and woman in check. Now he will do what will probably be the rest of his life in the joint and he is still just as guilty as her because he knew that she had already testified against someone before he married her and because he essentially sold everyone out by admitting to the crimes which will force his brothers into length pleas/sentences. In the end when I tried to warn people they never listen. The lesson is if you want this life, then all else comes second. Brothers first. If you disagree with that statement then I suggest you rethink the life you chose to lead. Dan chose a woman over his brothers and now they are going to prison because of his mistake. Sad sad angels
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:58 am
TO EVERYONE,
I have a dog in this fight, my husband. So Im going to say this, if anyone of these people turn out not to be rats, I will be the first to publically apologize for my accusations, but Ive been around most of these people for years and believe whathas been printed here by Rebel is utterly and completeely true, Ive havent seen him wrong yet. But as other people have stated, the truth will be revealed very soon, so lets all just wait and see the truth revealed, and then we can say I TOLD YOU SO!!
Love and Respect to those only that deserve it
February 3rd, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Bipolar and Proud, I wish your husband and the rest of the accused the best. I was not suggesting that I don’t care, or that anybody else shouldn’t care, but only that the fat lady ain’t sung yet, she will soon, and that correct speculation doesn’t do any good on the internet, but incorrect speculation could do some harm. Law enforcement tries to manipulate emotions for their own purposes.
February 3rd, 2013 at 12:10 pm
And I have the highest regard for Rebel’s journalistic ethics and standards.
February 3rd, 2013 at 12:49 pm
@Glenn S
I was not implying that you or no one else cared, and I agree with you, unfortunately once something is printed its there forever, I was just agreeing with other people on here that we should just wait for the truth to come out cause people have already lost so much in this case, and I would hate to see people loose more. Thanks for the best wishes, those have been far and few between.
February 3rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm
@Bipolar and Proud
Best wishes sent to all involved in this business.
February 3rd, 2013 at 7:19 pm
I hate to c the anger ic on this page. heck u know really its my friend lynn I’m concerned about really. she’s a sweetie . she just loves her sister and to c people trashing her is upseting to her. everyone. is powerless. n all this. but don’t kick a women when she’s down. what if u were n her shoes. she was unaware of all this until it went down. But she’s not on trial or aware of really what all went on. give a little respect to the ones who has had no choices n any of this. and to mrs bipolar . I’m sorry for what this has done to ur life. hang n there. B. a bit understanding how this has hurt lisas family. that’s all I’m gonna say. I’m done. u can bash me. my bad spellin whatever. I’m a friend defending my friend as u all r too. god bless. i have a thick skin. my feelings never get hurt w insults. I’m human w error . lmbbo
February 3rd, 2013 at 7:52 pm
What an embarassing thread .The icing on the cake is this “Jerry Springer Show”-reject,Miss Chrissie.
February 3rd, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Chrissie is probably a pudgy dork with some kind of a badge, channeling his inner bimbo. Instead of playing with his sister’s Barbies, he’s all grown up now, trolling for the government, but still confused.
February 4th, 2013 at 10:07 am
Dear Chrissie Hunter,
I admire your loyalty to your friends. I am sure Lisa Bifield agonized over her decision to cooperate. I don’t doubt this federal prosecution has been terribly hard for her family as well as the families of everyone else caught up in this malicious, federal inquisition.
And, I hope you understand that blatant mendacity and betrayal are always kind of ethically questionable. They tend to piss people off. Particularly the victims of that mendacity and betrayal.
Rebel
February 7th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Grandchildren, children, etc….. really??? Some of you are totally clueless so refrain from assumptions and stick to facts. Smfh.
February 7th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
LostInTransition,
Obviously you do not know Leisa as well as you think you do. She does have CHILDREN as well as GRANDCHILDREN, although there are not many people that know of that as she didnt ever mention them.
February 8th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
@ lost in transistion
What assumptions were made?
Do you even know her?
February 9th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
This kinda stuff is stunning to me:
“In the event that the Defendant fails to comply with any of the provisions of this Agreement, either expressed or implied, it is understood that the Government will have the right. at its sole election, to void all of its obligations under this Agreement and the Defendant will not have any right to withdraw his plea of guilty to the offense(s) enumerated herein.”
—
“The Defendant waives all rights, whether asserted directly or by a representative, to request or receive from any department or agency of the United States any records pertaining to the investigation or prosecution of this case, including without limitation any records that may be sought under the Freedom of Information Act,”
Waiving rights forever should be forbidden. I know, I know, I am being foolishly idealistic…
What’s next, prisoners will have to sell themselves as slaves to pay for court costs?
February 9th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
For anyone’s amusement:
“African National Congress manual for covert actions, first published during 1988-90″
http://cryptome.org/anc-manual.htm
February 12th, 2013 at 12:17 am
I highly doubt that is Lynn posting. I for one, would know how to correctly spell my own sister’s name…..
February 12th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Ignorance is bliss. I would know Trust me. Giving birth does not make you a mother and she gives a shit less about her biological grandchildren. She was only a egg donor so don’t speak on what you don’t know. She is only about herself and always has been.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RLG, why don’t you go back and look up the source of that, see who is supposed to have written it.
They weren’t very suntanned.
FTF/FTP
TOSIAR
5 to 1
SYLO
February 12th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
@lostintransistion,
Who are you calling ignorant?
February 12th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
Why would you assume that? Just curious. Not saying if you are right or not but just curious as to why you would say that. Sounds like you know her personally.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:31 am
@lost in transition
How would you know? Do you know her personally?
Do you even know her children or grandchildren to speak on this?
Not trying to be rude but just seems odd that you would make such@ bold and hurtful statements unless you have a personal conflict with her.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Dear @lost in transition,
If the comment is directed to me, I don’t know what you are talking about. I say lots of things.
Rebel
February 13th, 2013 at 11:02 am
No was not directed to you. Sorry if it came across that way.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
@ Bi-Polar & Proud
Your “loyalty” to your “club family” is questionable…You should not
be “speculating”on any of this in a negative manner until the trial
has come to an end or until you have actually seen or heard Mrs.
Bifield testify.
Say for instance, you’re wrong about her (along with alot of
others)…..Do you honestly think that you will ever be able to stand
in the same room with her again and have her respect?? I don’t….
Mrs. Bifield is not one to easily forgive and I highly doubt that any
apology from you would be accepted by Mrs. Bifield. I’ve watched your
comments and you seem to have gotten quite defensive & bitter towards
Mrs. Bifield since she and her husband have taken pleas and the once
“U.S vs. Dan Bifield” has now turned to “U.S vs Mark Baker”, putting
you in a questionable position..
Is this an example of how you would show “disrespect” to other “club
members/club members family”?
You claim to have knowledge of the “MC” world, however, your actions
show different.. I know of other club members wives that have kept
gracefully quiet about this, probably under discretion of their
husbands. So, until any ties have been severed between Mr. and Mrs.
Bifield or his club, negative speculation towards Mrs. Bifield should
be put aside out of “RESPECT”…(a valued term in the biker
community).
You also made a comment on another Rebel article stating that you live
by your husbands words and “TRUST NO ONE”..No disrespect to your
husband but its obvious that he didn’t even live by his own words,
unless perhaps, this “quote” of his came after his alleged betrayel
that he recently experienced from his own “cellmate/brother”..
Just remember….
It may sound mercenary & it smacks of rats leaving this sinking ship,
however, the mystic bond of “brotherhood” makes all men one…and
until this brotherhood is broken, all should remain as one..
February 14th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
First off, you really need to get your own screen name. So here we go with my response to your comment:
1. I have never once said that Leisa was a rat, I stated that “Did I think she was going to testify, yes I do” That is not calling her a rat.
2. I have never, not once,(I’ve gone back through all of my comments) shown disrespect towards any one in the Hell’s Angels, their families or anyone that is involved in this case that is a Hell’s Angel or Red Devil
3. As far as my husband, he lives by the quote “Trust No One”, and he trust no one that does not have a Death Head or a Bottom Rocker on their back. If you do not have one of these 2 items then he nor I TRUST YOU. If you do not like it then you can kiss his ass.
4. He and I both have stood by our brothers and sisters that are incarcerated, that includes Leisa so how you can say anything to us in your comment above is beyond me.
5. So unless you know us, support us or have supported each and everyone of our brothers or sisters, then shut your cum dumpster.
Much Love and Respect(not to YOU)
Bipolar&Proud
February 14th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Awfully defensive. Trust me … I know you.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
@ @bipolar
You must not know me if you think I have something to be defensive about.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:34 am
@ Seig
Sieg Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RLG, why don’t you go back and look up the source of that, see who is supposed to have written it.
They weren’t very suntanned.
You got that right. This was probably a “cold war era” manuscript translated/modified for use in the South African “arena”. Some of the points are inane & border on being obtuse. I only glanced over it & realised the “author” had no understanding of the situation he was giving “advice” on…
A look at their current “manifesto” would be scary, but not entirely a huge surprise….”Grab the money & run”. Pretty straightforward & no degree in political science required.LOL>
Respect
Wretched
February 15th, 2013 at 7:42 am
Wretched, it came straight out of Moscow Central, I saw copies of it in Spanish in South America many, many moons ago, modified to fit FARC’s situation. Just pointing out that it is written by masters, but was aimed at a relatively unsophisticated group, with a relatively unsophisticated enemy.
FTF/FTP
TOSIAR
5 to 1
SYLO
February 16th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
The absolute ytter hypocrisy and chicken shit manner with which you call out Bipolar and Proud for being “disrepsctful” while YOU hide behind a cloak of anonimty tells me everything I need to know about “loyalty”.
I don’t know if you are male or female, but if you are a man, you are a nutless punk.
““U.S vs. Dan Bifield” has now turned to “U.S vs Mark Baker”, putting
you in a questionable position..”
Cheap fucking shot. NO man’s wife ever has to answer for what he chooses to do, and from the postings I’ve seen here, there is nothing questionable about Bipolar and Proud.
Personally I don’t think you know her, I think you are yet another pig (maybe the same pig over and over). But maybe not.
You’re a fucking pussy…………
May 18th, 2013 at 3:36 am
dan will help if ii can , your boss