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Brian Brewer Denied Compassionate Release

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Brian Brewer Denied Compassionate Release

Brian Brewer, a member of the Dago charter of the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club, has been denied a compassionate release from prison. Brewer has cancer of the lungs, bones and lymph nodes. His condition is incurable and his hourglass is running out.

In the last six weeks 5,322 people have signed a petition addressed to California Attorney General Kamala D. Harris that asked that Brewer be released from Centinela (California) State Prison so that he could die with his family. The prison warden, the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation and a prison physician had all supported the release. Harris and Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley had to approve the release. They did not. Earlier this week Brewer’s family received the terse notice:

“The conditions under which the prisoner would be released pose a threat to public safety as referenced in Penal Code Section 1170(E)(2)(B) due to his extensive criminal history and association with a violent motorcycle gang coupled with his current full mobility.”

The Crime

Brian Brewer was accused of robbing a credit union in Northridge, California on April 16, 2002. No two bank employees agreed on a description of the robber. Fingerprints were found at the crime scene but none of them matched Brewer. No physical evidence linked Brewer to the crime scene. Brewer and a witness testified that Brewer was in Arizona at the time of the robbery. The total take from the robbery was about $1,700 and included “bait bills” which are bills given to bank robbers after the serial numbers have been recorded. None of the money was ever recovered. Brewer’s affiliation with the HAMC was introduced to the jury at his trial.

The jury found Brewer guilty of four counts of second-degree robbery and three counts of false imprisonment with a “third strike” enhancement. On August 1, 2005 Brewer was sentenced to four consecutive sentences of life imprisonment. Since his conviction Brewer has exhausted his appeals while consistently maintaining his innocence.

Friends and sympathizers may write the dying man at: Centinela State Prison, Brian Brewer, V98513, P.O. Box 731, Inf.-01 low, Imperial, Ca. 92251

 

 

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  1. One Eye Says:

    Words cannot describe how disgusting this whole scenario is. One can only hope that one day we are informed that Harris and Cooley have reaped what they have sown.

  2. Jenkx Says:

    So wrong. This is pure vindictiveness and petty politics.
    My heart goes out to Brewer, his family, and all who care for them.
    Jenkx

  3. sherides Says:

    I agree One Eye.

    I don’t understand how anyone this ill could even remotely be considered a threat to public safety.

  4. Jim666 Says:

    One Eye, Great words. My words to these two scumbag low life peices of shit however are not as poetic.
    I have heard though there are other avenues in the works to get Brian home with his family
    Godspeed to Brian and his family
    I see this disregaurd for Brian and his family,s feelings a human tradgity
    Not to mention his inital conviction,and sentences,
    of which there was no evidence to tie this man to the crimes in the first place.
    The reasoning behind their denial is ludecris.
    Brian I hope you get home where you belong, Best wishes my friend

    Respects Jim

    F.T.F. .F.T.P. F.T.G.

  5. TigGirl Says:

    The corruption of the prosecutors & cops involved in Brian’s case is beyond anything I have ever seen. I believe the DA doesn’t want him out because he is afraid Brian would be able to prove his innocence…and the level of their corruption.
    My heart breaks for my friend.

  6. Ol'LadyRider Says:

    I don’t know Brian or his family, though its possible we may have met at some point. I signed that petition, with my name proudly displayed, because it was the fucking RIGHT thing to do. So did thousands of other people. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the pubic hair of those who believe this man somehow deserves to die in prison. Shame on you.

    I mourn for Brian and his family, and for the state of this Nation wherein compassion is NOT the norm.

  7. Tim Says:

    I think that the Harris and cooley are cruel,I pray that brians family is comforted by God,and that the HAMC WORLD is comforted also, Thats just real cruel,has anybody went the governor? mabe that might help? I signed the pitition also that saddens me, thats BULLSHIT!!!! still stand TALL BRIAN!! Love and respect Tim.

  8. Chief Says:

    That is utter bullshit…karma is a dirty, conniving bitch though, I just hope we get to see it get even.

    To the Brewer family, my prayers are with you.

    With respect
    AATW
    Chief

  9. Not Surprised Says:

    I’m not saying it’s never happened, but robbing credit unions alone and at gunpoint just really isn’t a 1% thing. Bank robbery in CA has a 95% arrest/conviction rate and that is why only whack jobs and street gangs try it.

    Is there anyone who doesn’t know this?

  10. JMacK Says:

    I’m pretty sure I don’t have to point this out here, but that is seriously fucked. In many ways. I’d say I’m shocked, but I’m not.

    Prayers for Brian and his family.

    JMacK

  11. Craney Says:

    If anyone would like to contact those who did not approve the compassionate release, I found the addresses online.

    info@kamalaharris.org

    info@stevecooley.com

    Time would probably be better spent sending Mr. Brewer a letter as it appears Cooley is retiring and Harris’s job is not up for election this year. At the end of the day these fucks just don’t care.

    I suppose Moonbeam (Governor Jerry Brown) could pardon him. A link to his contact page is http://gov.ca.gov/m_contact.php

    Harris and Moonbeam have Facebook pages. Only found an older one for Cooley and actually it’s one started to not re-elect him.

    Rebel, any idea on how much time Mr. Brewer has?

    Thanks to all who use this site to contribute.

  12. RVN69 Says:

    The pettiness and vindictiveness of prosecutors should never be underestimated.

    My personal belief is the only reason they do not want him released is simply because they can.

    “Better to be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.”

  13. TigGirl Says:

    Craney, he was sentenced to 160 years in 2005 for a crime that usually gets 18 months – 2 years.

  14. Tim Says:

    craney,

    Is their some way that someone could make a Pitition for Gov Brown and we could all sign it, if not what can I say when I go to the govennor site because I would Like to help. Tim

  15. YYZ Skinhead Says:

    Tim,

    “Cruel and unusual punishment” is legal now, at least for bikers and other fringe groups.

    YYZ Skinhead

  16. One Eye Says:

    What leaves me shaking my head in total disbelief is the sentence he received. Get past the lack of any evidence, but the ridiculous sentence for this crime is insane. Murderers receive concurrent life sentences for multiple murders and he received consecutive life sentences for allegedly robbing a CU. Didn’t this raise any red flags for his attorney, other judges, the ACLU, Amnesty International, SOMEBODY?! The disparity of the sentence is beyond exaggerated.
    JIM666, I hope those other avenues for Brian’s family pan out, because this is beyond punitive or vendetta. I can’t help wondering if this was a visible minority how such an egregious miscarriage of justice would be broadcast to the masses and what type of outcry would ensue.

  17. BadMagic Says:

    One Eye,

    “Didn’t this raise any red flags for his attorney, other judges, the ACLU, Amnesty International, SOMEBODY?! The disparity of the sentence is beyond exaggerated.”

    Ya, that ~and~ all appeals were exhausted… How the hell does *that* happen?

    B-(

  18. swampy Says:

    WTF! Rebel, would there be a connection concerning Izzy Wildheart being denied entry into the U.S.? This is wrong on so many levels.
    Respects, swampy

  19. Jim666 Says:

    One Eye

    Im sure Izzy and Rebel will be talking soon.
    If not, As soon as I hear what the next step is I,ll post it.

  20. Base Says:

    What, does Harris & Cooley think he is going to go on some insane crime spree before he dies?

    This shows what total lack of compassion and contempt these power mongers have.

  21. 10Guage Says:

    FULL FUCKING MOBILITY????????????

    he has lung cancer….. not only are they vendictive they are fucking idiots

  22. Stevo Says:

    What a shame for the man and his family. USA 2012=Germany 1939.

  23. Rebel Says:

    Dear Base,

    I believe the decision to continue to punish Brewer exemplifies the transformation of the United States into a totalitarian punishment machine — what a lawyer named Andrew Carlon called “the sadistic state…which wields power, most fully realized through the infliction of pain, as an end in itself, the human beings in its power merely means to that awful end.”

    Also, this is an election year.

    Rebel

  24. Rebel Says:

    Dear Swampy,

    I don’t think there is a direct connection. I don’t think Homeland Security is that smart. I do think that the entire police apparatus in most of the Western World has defined the Hells Angels and other motorcycle clubs as terrorists. So Brewer who is an Angel, and Izzy who is married to an Angel and warmly regarded by many Angels, are both defined as objective enemies and are therefore fair game for every pissant with a badge who has to prove to himself what a bad ass big shot he is.

    Rebel

  25. Rebel Says:

    Dear BadMagic,

    The ACLU and Amnesty International have been yelling about California’s three strikes law since it became a law. There is a Ballot Iniative, Measure 36, this November that would soften California’s three strikes. The prison guard union opposes it. We don’t build so many factories in this country as prisons.

    Brewers predicament touches me. He has a little boy who has grown up without him. I guess I am just not amoral enough to be a DA or an Attorney General. Cooley and Harris will have Christmas with their families this year whether Brian Brewer does or not. I think many people would be touched if they knew about Brewer. Unfortunately, most people do not.

    Rebel

  26. Paladin Says:

    I think the only way Brewer is going to be able to die, surrounded by his family, is for his lawyers to take the signed petition to Gov. Brown and ask for a compassionate release.

    It’s ironic that California’s Attorney General is opposed to capital punishment, for any reason, because she believes it to be cruel and inhumane punishment. Yet, under the circumstances, her refusal to grant Brewer a compassionate release, is the epitome of cruel and inhumane treatment.

    Calif. Attorney General Harris, must have removed the mirrors from her house, as soon as she took office.

    Long May You Ride,

    Paladin

  27. Glenn S. Says:

    Rebel said: “There is a Ballot Iniative, Measure 36, this November that would soften California’s three strikes. The prison guard union opposes it. We don’t build so many factories in this country as prisons.”

    That is the problem. One can follow the money and the ideology in a thousand different directions and find people with motives to get “tough on crime”. There’s the private prisons industry, victims’ advocacy groups, institutional food suppliers, the companies that make see-thru television cases, tear gas suppliers, the companies that benefit from prison labor, the prison construction industry, law enforcement bureaucrats who want to grow their empires and compensation packages, and that’s just scratching the surface of the law enforcement industrial complex. And every one of the groups contributes, either with money or endorsements, to the political campaigns of the very same people authorized to make decisions such as whether or not to grant a convict compassionate release, or a fair trial, for that matter. My guess is that law enforcement organizations, victims’ advocacy groups, and the businesses that profit from tough state and federal crime policies is the most powerful common purpose in this country today. They have gotten everything they have wanted every time they ask, with little meaningful debate. It was easier for this power structure to get life sentences for three time shoplifters than it was for the neo-conservatives to get a frightened citizenry to go along with invading Iraq. My guess is that if a cure for cancer was found tomorrow and offered to everyone free, there would be more discussion over whether the government would go along than there will be the next time a proposed Tough New Law comes before a political body.

    I was proud to sign the petition publicly, and post the website on my facebook account. I’d be equally proud to join anybody for a protest in front of the governor’s mansion. But I do not believe any politician will choose the humane option if it crosses purposes with the tough-on-crime crowd unless the subject is one of their own. The problem is not Brian Brewer being denied compassionate release, tragic as that may be. The problem is that the humane option is hardly ever chosen by the political powers. The default position in this country is to sentence the convicted person to the maximum sentence, to change the law to make sentences longer, to deny or abolish parole, to take all of an accused person’s shit, to make life miserable in prison, to excuse the pig that uses excessive force, to expand the death penalty, to create exceptions to those laws known as “rights” while further empowering law enforcement to persecute the public as they choose.

    Sadly, a few thousand men and women with good hearts don’t stand a chance of convincing a politician to do the right thing. Any successful effort to change things will have to be big enough to make a voting bloc and rich enough to buy the politicians.

  28. Base Says:

    Dear Rebel,

    Right you are.

    It is sickening, so many people in this country need to wake the hell up and smell what’s cooking!

    It has been my experience many people make it obvious, unless it is directed at them personally they just do not care.

    Base

  29. Base Says:

    Glen S,

    Well said and so scary true,,

    I would stand right next to you,,

    Respects Base,

  30. chevyweight Says:

    if this man dies in prison i hope the family will be able to bring down a massive lawsuit on all responsible –

    should be a pretty simple case if its a credit union, either they have him on video or not,, strange that he was accused of the crime in the first place

  31. Jim666 Says:

    @ Glenn S, Very well said,& very true

  32. neverwaz Says:

    The citizens in the Tough-on-Crime contingent are led by the propaganda wing of our gov’t – the News Media Complex.

  33. Paladin Says:

    @ Glenn,

    When you consider all of the industries that support the prison system, as well as the industries that support federal, state, county, and city law enforcement agencies, you quickly come to the realization, that without “crime”, this country’s economy would surely collapse.

    There is a small town, near where I live, whose P.D. is almost broke. It seems that this particular P.D. was so successful at ridding their town of crime, that they no longer receive grant monies or federal funds (the monies each agency receives is based on reported crime statistics) , which the P.D. had come to rely upon, as part of their annual fiscal budget. So, crime does pay. Actually, it pays rather well.

    Every year, more laws are put on the books, in order to keep pace with the ever increasing financial demands that the “getting tough on crime” machine requires.

    Because of fear mongering politicians and the media, it’s no wonder our country has more people behind bars, than in any other country on the planet.

    Long May You Ride,

    Paladin

  34. Va. Bob Says:

    In a way,it’s like human trafficking.

  35. Shyster Says:

    The 3 strikes allegations makes each and every charge a 25 to life beef. With 4 charges of robbery alone that equates to 4 “victims” of robbery each making the charge range, if he was sentenced consecutively versus concurrently, 100 years to life. That’s not taking into account the false imprisonment charges. And if a weapon was used to facilitate the robbery then add more time.

    A dear friend of mine is serving 5 life sentences + 260 years. What matters most to these people is that no one on the outside forget about them. Write often and send care packages to all loved ones behind bars.

    Shyster

  36. Stevo Says:

    When they came for the Jews I did nothing because I am not a Jew.
    When they came for the academics I did nothing because I am not an academic.
    When they came for the socialists I did nothing because I am not a socialist.
    And when they came for me, they was no-one left to do anything.

    I’m paraphrasing that from memory, but it’s relevance is as true today in the US of A as it was in 1930’s Germany.

  37. Austin Says:

    Re: “full mobility”. Does that mean that in a few months, when Brian becomes sicker, weaker, and less able to care for himself, that he might re-apply with success ? If he dies in prison-who pays for the funeral? Does the state allow him a choice in arrangements, or burial? Is the family noallowed more visitation as the mobility decreases? Is there a prison hospital for invalid prisoners? This makes me go Hmmmmmm.

  38. Glenn S. Says:

    Here’s a thought: If Mr. Brewer and/or his lawful family petitioned the courts to order additional, expensive medical treatment for his condition, I mean buried the system in a sea of emergency motions and petitions, backing these petitions with medical evidence that this or that medically accepted treatment has prolonged the life or eased the suffering of other cancer patients, the state might reverse its decision rather than spend the money. An attorney or someone with some knowledge of civil procedure, with a son daughter, wife, or parent as a pro se petitioner, along with a sworn statement from a medical doctor, might be enough to get the ball rolling.

    Since a politician’s conscience can’t be appealed to, maybe make it cost a lot of money to refuse to do the right thing.

  39. Phuquehed Says:

    Would writing en e-mail to those two fucktards who denied him, be okay to do? I doubt I’ll be able to be cordial, polite, or hold my temper, so I need to make sure that something I write to them won’t hurt anything he tries to do since this let-down.

  40. Jim666 Says:

    @ Phuquehed,
    you can write anyone you want to, Please keep in mind to refrain from using any club affiliation, as any comments about any members of any mc can and most likely will hinder any positive outcome.

    @ Glenn S. That just might work, as I had a club brother he,s dead now. But was locked up in county,Had a bad liver, anyway county was holding him till transport to state but he ended up costing so much $$$$$ that they “the jail” finally petitioned the courts to place him on home arrest, where he finally died.
    At least he died at home around his family and loved ones,

    R.I.P. Big Bobby.

    Respects Jim666

  41. Craney Says:

    @TigGirl and Rebel-

    I’m sorry, my question was misunderstood. I should have been more specific. When I asked how much time Mr. Brewer had left I was referring to his terminal illness. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

  42. Izzy Wildheart Says:

    Thank you to everyone who has shown their support for Brian and his family and to all those who have signed the Petition.
    I had a phone call from Brian’s wife yesterday, she visited Brian on Sunday and he’s staying as strong as possible and in good shape mentally, although in answer to your question Craney, he was given 6 months to live in June, but who knows how long he has in reality, he has a strong mental attitude and hasn’t given up.
    I just need to clarify something. Neither Kamala D Harris or Steven Cooley denied Brian’s Compassionate release. It was an En Banc hearing of a panel of 10 judges who all decided against him.
    We would right now prefer no -one sent any e-mails out to anyone right now, because there is a plan B and that’s when the Petition will go out to the above and Gov. Moonbeam.
    The Brewer’s are good friends of ours and right now I’d love to send abusive emails to lots of people, but they can go out once all avenues have been exhausted!
    Respects
    Izzy

  43. Glenn S. Says:

    Ms. Wildheart, as an ex-convict, biker, and 81 supporter, I salute you and wholeheartedly support your efforts. If I were a religious man, I would say that there is a special place in heaven that awaits people like yourself, who refuse to forget or abandon those that society chooses to throw away.

    Much Respect,

    Glenn S.

  44. BadMagic Says:

    Ms. Wildheart,

    I also support your cause.

    When there is another petition to sign, will you please include an email address that one can send a signature? Or even a snail mail address one can send a signature? I would like to participate with either of those avenues.

    FYI:
    en banc hearing
    En banc is a French term (meaning on the bench) referring to a case heard and decided by all of the judges of a court as opposed to judges acting individually. When all of the judges who preside within the geographic area covered by a court’s jurisdiction gather to hear a case or matters related to a case they are said to meet en banc, that is, with the full authority of the court present. The U.S. Supreme Court always sits en banc, but the multi-member Courts of Appeals usually sit in three-judge panels, and only rarely en banc.

    From:
    http://www.laits.utexas.edu/gov310/JU/glossary.html

    B-)

  45. Izzy Wildheart Says:

    Thank you very much Glenn, although I’m not sure heaven’s a place I really want to go given the amount of hypocrites that will probably be there!!! But I really appreciate the sentiments!
    I’m not religious either, so I just hope when my time comes I’ll be able to catch up with everyone I love.

    Bad Magic, it’s the same petition it always has been and it’s still open to be signed the link is:

    http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/request-for-compassionate-release

    We had a goal of 5000 and have reached that target and more, but until the next move has been finalised we are keeping it open to be signed. There are some amazing comments from all around the World, not all from bikers or supporters either. I have read every one of them!

    We knew there was a possibility that the Request might be turned down and didn’t want to present the Petition to a panel of judges who would probably not even read or acknowledge the petition anyway.
    The decision turned out to be the right one.
    I’ll keep you in the loop as to what’s going on as and when.

    Respects
    Izzy

  46. stroker Says:

    Ms Wildheart:
    I rarely post platitudes, especially to or for a person I don’t know personally. But I do want to tell you (and echo other’s comments here) that you are an angel. Or maybe you’re performing angelic functions, Whatever. God Bless you, and all you do. Thank You.

  47. Jay Dobyns Says:

    If you wanna run with the big dogs, you gotta piss on big trees. The HA are big bad mofos, so stop crying. They are a gang of criminals. Who among you ever gave a crap about Cynthia Garcia, or Dallas Grandolski, or any of the other countless innocent victims of 1% gangs? Should’ve thought better about life choices, but since you didn’t, be a man about the choices you made, and accept the consequences. You badasses want it both ways, well you can’t always have it.

  48. Rebel Says:

    Dear Jay,

    Everybody understands your position on the HAMC. Nobody thinks a five-year-old should have been murdered back in the long ago. Any number of reasonable people believe that the ATF, as an institution, protected and rewarded the murderer of Cynthia Garcia. I happen to personally think that Brian Brewer was framed. He was convicted of being a Hells Angel. I honestly do not believe he is a danger to society and I believe that a just society would let the man die at home surrounded by people who love him. Whether you get it or not, Brewer’s death will be an event not just for him but for everyone who knows him — including some people who are completely innocent.

    So you are commenting here openly again Jay? Cool. How you doing? You sound angry. How come? Have you been talking to Kerrie again? Did she tell you about the snitch I am interviewing? That guy says he doesn’t know you, by the way. Is he lying?

    Do you need an interview, Jay? I know a guy who might be willing to interview you on camera about the Angels. You’re opinionated. Would you be up for that? I would have nothing to do with the interview at all. I told him he should talk to Ciccone but I think you might be even more interesting. Would you be up for that? Is this a good email address for you?

    Always the love Jay,
    Rebel

  49. Sieg Says:

    The ATF and the rest of the Alphabet-Soup goonies are the true pussies. Doesn’t take a “big dog” to hide behind tanks and automatic weapons and terrorize women and children. Doesn’t take a “big bad mofo” to kill innocent people, or to destroy their homes. Just take a sick, perverted, self-hating sack of shit.

    Given that, fuck you Dobyns, Ciccone, and any other Fed slime that manages to ooze in here.

    FTF / FTP
    TOSIAR

  50. Sieg Says:

    And if you want a lok at “compassionate release”, check this out. This shitbag is a serial rapist, but that’s okay…

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Quadriplegic-Rapist-to-be-Released-from-Prison-179722421.html

  51. Base Says:

    @ Dobyns
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  52. Wretched man Says:

    @ Jay Dobyns
    I have no “dog in this fight” as I’m from another country, so from an outsider’s perspective I find your comments regarding those who have suffered “at other people’s hands” somewhat contrite.
    Not being an expert on these matters I respectfully wish to add that your country has the “ideal” of all people being treated fairly & humanely.
    While some might argue that being “guilty” of a crime means your rights are automatically forfeited, after perusing the “facts” as presented in this forum I would scarcely consider the case of Brian to be fairly handled, or that he has actually been proved guilty…
    Allow me to say this, a person is a person, regardless of their “leanings”, political, moral, or otherwise & as such they have the right to be treated with compassion.
    If we are to sink so low as to respond to those who are in need by punishing them, then surely we are contributing to the problem!

    Much respect to those who speak out against injustice
    Well done Rebel for all that you do

    L&R (to most)
    wretched

  53. Glenn S. Says:

    Jay Dobyns:

    You said: “Who among you ever gave a crap about Cynthia Garcia, or Dallas Grandolski, or any of the other countless innocent victims of 1% gangs [sic]?”

    So you think that if a man belongs to an organization, its okay to hold him accountable for the actions, real or merely accused, of all members of that organization? Well then, as a former law enforcement officer, you have a whole lot to answer for, from Rodney King to the homeless guy killed in California recently to the Branch Davidian killings to…

    If there was justice in this world, as YOU just suggested that you define justice, you would die in a cage, far away from your loved ones (both of them), for the offenses committed by Stacy Koon, Janet Reno, John Ashcroft, et al.

    Why do you differentiate between the wrongs done by members of motorcycle clubs and wrongs done by law enforcement agents? I read your book, Dobyns, and even reading YOUR words from YOUR perspective, I couldn’t see anything of the high moral ground in your stance. What I saw was a weak man trying to vicariously live a life through a fabricated man he could only wish he was, aided by that worst species claiming humanity: paid rats. You claim outrage because of Cindy Garcea, and then you go out and try to bust men that nobody ever even accused of being involved in that incident for such heinous crimes as owning a pistol after conviction of one of this country’s too many laws. You invented a fake killing out of thin air, stirred up your targets to the point that they MIGHT have given passive support, and then tried to lock them up for maybe saying attaboy.

    And now you say this dying man should die in prison for the real, fabricated, or imagined crimes of others. I reject your version of morality and your values. Hopefully, so will the rest of this country someday. You were not a soldier in a righteous cause, just another peon that chose the side of a conflict with better PR, an adrenaline junkie that uses the adrenaline as a poor substitute for testosterone.

  54. Rebel Says:

    Dear Glenn S.,

    When you get worked up you’re pretty good.

    Rebel

  55. YYZ Skinhead Says:

    Glenn S,

    That was one killer post.

    YYZ Skinhead

  56. Glenn S. Says:

    Thanks y’all, but Rebel, you’re better than “pretty good”. One of the things that pisses me off about the whole Dobyns thing is that he probably made more money on his projectile whine of a book than you made on your very well written “Out Bad”.

    Looking forward to your next one.

  57. Glenn S. Says:

    But the #1 thing that pisses me off about Dobyns (and those like him) is the fact that those guys in Arizona reached out their hands in friendship to the man they were led to believe he was, and he calculatingly set about to harm them to the best of his ability. The hand of friendship is the best gift one can give his fellow man, and betrayal of that friendship is the worst thing a man (using the term biologically) can do to another. IMHO, the hand of friendship is a far more noble human endevour than “the law”, and in the values scheme of things, should be the greater priority for any man whose heart does not pump shit. The “befriend and betray” aspect of law enforcement shines a light on the absence of morality in modern policing. The fact that some people call the Dobynses of the world heroes is proof positive of the dumbing down of America.

    Okay, I’ll get off my soapbox.

  58. JMacK Says:

    Very well said Glenn S.

    JMacK

  59. RVN69 Says:

    I was going to reply to Dobyns post, but Glenn S. has nailed it.

    I will say this though, FUCK YOU Jay Dobyns you worthless piece of shit!

    FTF, FTP.

    “I am not the devil, nor am I an angel, I am the bastard stepchild of both.”

  60. Paladin Says:

    Mr. Dobyns,

    In a 2009 Washington Post interview, you stated to Neely Tucker “I’m the good guy”. Well, as a former Deputy Sheriff, I will have to disagree. The fact that your own agency turned against you, isn’t much of an endorsement.

    When I became a Deputy, my role models were peace officers who had integrity. They were the likes of Elfego Baca, Bill Tilghman, and Captain Bill McDonald. Who was yours? J. Edgar Hoover?

    For me, crime prevention was never about acting as an agent provocateur, then arresting the people for the crimes you encouraged them to commit. I always thought crime prevention was about doing your best to dissuade people from committing crimes. If a crime was committed, the criminal was pursued. However, in all fairness, I’ve never worked for your former agency, so I don’t know how they view crime prevention, but based on you and your agency’s past performance, I wouldn’t have been a good fit.

    In my profession, I considered myself a line court referee in the game of life. If the mistake a person made allowed me discretion, I always favored the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. For obvious reasons, serious offenses didn’t allow me any discretion.

    Now that the dust has settled, let’s review. You’ve managed to write a book, make a little money, and you’ve had your five minutes of fame, all at the expense of others. Unfortunately, fearing for their safety, you now have to continually relocate your family; your former agency blew you off, I doubt you have any real friends, and you’re so starved for attention, that you’ll post some off topic, inane crap about big dogs pissing on big trees, on a thread that’s about trying to find a way for a dying man to spend what little time he has left, with his family. When not being consumed with bouts of self-righteousness, you might try a little compassion.

    There will come a time Mr. Dobyns, when your train pulls into the station and you’ll be laying in the bed you’ve made. When that day arrives, it’s going to really suck to be you.

    Paladin

    P.S. I never say or post anything that I wouldn’t say to a persons face. So, if you take exception to anything I’ve stated in my post and would like to discuss it further, I’m sure it can be arranged for us to meet face to face.

  61. Samurai Says:

    Just gotta ask, is everyone sure that it really is Dobyn’s who posted, I’ve been under the impression that when he did post he did so under aliases instead of having the balls to post as himself, at least for some time. It could just be some troll using one name that is guaranteed to piss off the largest amount of people in the shortest amount of time

  62. Paladin Says:

    @ Samurai,

    Well, I guess “it” has succeeded.

    Long May You Ride,

    Paladin

  63. Austin Says:

    @Glenn S. re: “shines a light on the absence of morality in modern policing.” – My understanding is that Johnny Law prefers the terminology “Morally Flexible”

    @Izzy – What you do every day demonstrates more unconditional love and holy spirit than any religious or affiliated church group. You are walking the walk. The folks who pay attention – know.

  64. Base Says:

    Glen S,,,

    You do very well on your soap box,,,

    Respects,, Base

  65. Base Says:

    Paladin,,

    Now thats a face to face I would pay money to see,,,

    Respects,, Base

  66. Glenn S. Says:

    Austin said: “@Glenn S. re: “shines a light on the absence of morality in modern policing.” – My understanding is that Johnny Law prefers the terminology “Morally Flexible””

    I’ve always thought “morally flexible” was when a man who is not a thief steals to put food on his table after exhausting other options, but maybe I’m thinking of situational ethics. Morally reprehensible is what Dobyns and his kind engage in.

    Samurai said: “Just gotta ask, is everyone sure that it really is Dobyn’s who posted”

    Having read his book and the post claiming to be him, the writing style (self-rightousness, attention seeking, and grandiosity) seems the same. But maybe it was either George W. Bush or a borderline teenage girl who wants to be raped by a cop. Either way, fuck Dobyns and anyone who would claim to be him.

  67. Rebel Says:

    Dear Samurai,

    I believe the comment was authentic. Maybe I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure I am right. It’s authenticity doesn’t make the sun rise and set, anyway. Based on my experience and training, as Jay might say, I believe it is exactly what Jay would have said and fairly reflects his views. But, I’m pretty sure that was Jaybird. I have my little techniques and so on.

    Rebel

  68. Austin Says:

    @Glenn S. via http://jasoningram.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/morally-flexible/ “Individualized morality finds its vocalization in phrases like, “Well, that’s OK for you, but…” Here is the logical fallacy of individualized morality. What happens when one person’s understanding of morality impacts another person? What if one person deems it moral to burn your house down? If we are morally flexible and believe in individualized morality, then the answer is that you are simply out of luck because the other person did what is morally OK for them – you simply have to live within the consequences of their decision. We all know this is insanity.”

    IMHO – Describes the police to a “T”.

    I first heard the term used by a student I was mentoring. She was describing to me aspects of her life, as the child of a federal agent.

  69. Ol'LadyRider Says:

    I’m late to the party celebrating Mr. Dobyns’ reemergence. Attention-seeking he is, indeed, and evidently a masochist as well. It’s impossible to imagine any other response to his comments here. It’s impossible to imagine any other reason for him to purposefully invoke such a response.

    I found Mr. Dobyns’ reference to “wanting it both ways” hysterically and ironically contradictory. Not to mention completely out of place on this thread. Mr. Dobyns must be feeling a little sour-grapey to find that the brotherhood he found so easy to betray remains intact in this culture, and has not been affected whatsoever by his efforts or those of his former employer. I’m laughing because Mr. Dobyns pointed out that we “can’t always have it” both ways… But apparently hasn’t noticed that he, himself, can’t have it EITHER way.

    I don’t think there will be 5000+ voices raised in uniform compassion for you, Jay. EVER. You know it, and that’s why you comment here. Just so somebody – anybody! – will pay attention to you. So you can pretend that you matter. So you can pop off with some self-righteous drivel that might just allow you to convince yourself that setting up, entrapping, and ultimately betraying the only people who likely ever cared about you was somehow the “right thing to do.” How’s that working out for you?

    Glenn S. – as usual, well said. Your soapbox is absolutely fine with me.

  70. Siren AZ Says:

    Jay Dobyns is nothing but an attention addicted fame whore. He constantly attempts to attach himself to people and things that are much bigger and more important than he will ever be.

    At this point in time, he is irrelevant. No one that I know bothers to even mention his name much less make him a topic of converstion.

    But since he continues to put his crap out there in very public forums, I would like to offer him a bit of advice: Lose “The Pose” Jay. You know, the same tired pose when mugging for the camera that you tilt your head so far back that the camera sees way up your flared nostrils. You must think that it makes you look “bad ass”. It doesn’t. It makes you look silly. It is the equivalent of the ever popular “duck face” pose that adolescent girls so often use in their facebook pictures.

  71. Jim666 Says:

    Hey Jaybird I heard Ciccone is trying to get a BJ, You better hurry before he finds someone else
    you fuckin prick

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