The Declaration Of Independence

July 4, 2012

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IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.



81 Responses to “The Declaration Of Independence”

  1. Base Says:

    YYZ Skinhead,

    Apologies, I had signed off after posting and had not realized you had posted right afterward.A friend had come by and I was letting him check out this site. This is when I saw your post.

    You are correct schools have gone to a watered down version in many classes. Not just History! It is shameful. Seems that many with in our local & federal government hate this country and wish to paint it as all rosey. The truth is best no matter how ugly or beautiful.

    I have read many of your post and anyone that would suggest you do not support vet’s/current Military would be clueless and not worthy of your time as you stated.


  2. Junior Says:

    At least here, things are written so you can print and read, not too much memorization required. When I started studying law in 1999 it was because of taxes, the govt wanted almost half of a bonus check and I just never really grasped the idea that if I dug a ditch for my neighbor, i had to go outta my way & stop by some strangers office and give him some of my money before i took the money home to feed my kids. Why? is it because he printed the money? well, fuck him, i dont need his paper money, i was content trading gold and bartering. …That is a concept that I just dont understand and never will. well, I kept all of my bonus check except about 900 bucks, and I swore i’d never give the govt another dime of my money in the form of income tax.

    The deeper I dug into title 26 of the u.s. code (tax code), the more I realized how much had been withheld from me and how much I had been lied to. I discovered more exemptions than I was ever told about. I discovered that no law can compel your signature. Also discovered most people sign under penalty of federal perjury when they didnt have to, and I discovered the true nature of the tax system was indeed voluntary (but became mandatory once you signed the voluntary form under federal penalty of perjury). I applied what I learned and in 2001 and used the federal tax code to make my employer stop all withholding and quit stopping by that strangers house and giving him MY hard earned money before going home. My employer was perplexed, to say the least, and they sent everything I submitted including all law cites, to their attorney because they just knew I was wrong and was some kinda wacko. Their company attorney reviewed everything and after a few days his official response to them was “some people do this”. In spite of what the lawyer told them, they continued to treat me as a “wacko”, i think it’s because to admit that I was right meant they had to face the fact that they had believed lies for their whole life, and that is too much for most people, so they just do what is easiest, which is dismiss me as a wacko, even though the truth is right in front of them in black & white. To accept the fact that they had been lied to for their entire lives meant they would have to re-learn everything, thats too scary for most folks, so its easier for them/to just build a mental block and dismiss me as a nutcase. Doing so means they dont have to work so hard at relearning everything and they can just follow the herd and everything will be OK.

    Fueled by the fact that I beat a lawyer at the law game, I started digging into the Constitution, American Jurisprudence, traffic law, vaccination law, and on and on, I didnt stop for about 3 years. I started succeeding in traffic court and started succeeding everywhere else in life that I applied what I learned. The deeper I dug, the more I discovered that theres a huge discrepency between what people say the law says, and what the law actually says. Everyone that I dealt with (bureaucrats, employers, attorneys) all thought I was “wacko”. Well, just because 99% believe the lie doesnt make me wacko, i found the truth in the law books they refuse to open. The real wackos are those that swallow the lies as truth and regergitate them & feed their friends.

    If you tell a lie loud enough & long enough, everyone will believe it, which is exactly what our govt does to its’ denizens (citizen subjects). The sheeple believe the lies and then think someone like me is a nutcase because I havent swallowed the same lies that they have. I don’t recommend anyone follow in my footsteps unless you are single and self sufficient because without govt benefits life is very difficult to say the least. I gave govt the middle finger years ago, and they gave me a big “fuck you” back. I have avoided jail time by studying relentlessly and doing it right from the beginning and never “ejeculating” prematurely. I don’t reccomend anyone to follow in my footsteps, my life without any govt benefits is approaching impossible, but I am mostly free of govt intrusion. I look forward to helping people here exercise rights that will bring them some degree of freedom from govt intrusion, because God knows govt intrudes in all aspects of our lives now and if I can help one or two live without so much govt intrusion, it’s worth it. Respects to those who have earned it. -Junior

  3. Phuquehed Says:

    Friggin’ tired…sorry for getting so redundant lately.

  4. Phuquehed Says:

    @Junior – Shit man! Don’t hold back! Lots of guys who come here could really use the pointers. I’m diggin’ the hell out of reading them, but unfortunately I have a severe ADD problem and remembering things can be extremely tricky, but I just keep tryin’ as that’s all I can do, but it feels good knowing I’ve at least read *something* that if for some reason my severe ADD suddenly allows me to remember – when I need it most – then you’ve done a great service to our kind of people. Anyway, thanks for the advice you give (and to all the others who do also!) and to Rebel for lettin’ you put it here.

    @Jim666 – Best of luck to you bud. I hope you kick their ass and get to keep your freedom.

  5. Drifter Says:

    Learned this is in third grade, great post. My how things have changed as many above have mentioned, not for the good and definitely not what I did my military service for.

    A good thing, Jury Nullification, you have the right to vote your conscience as a juror, despite how judges try to impose and intimidate you to follow their “rules.” The court system is gnawing away at that one in their efforts to have a one sided fixed system for the “State”, imo.

    Easily researched, prosecutors and judges hate it, I can drink to that. Handing informative brochures in front of a court house that don’t sway a jury vote but just inform jurors about Jury Nullification. May get you arrested on jury tampering, although it is doing nothing wrong in many cases decided by the court, ironic. That’s how much the “star chamber” mindset hates it, imo. :)

    Another good policy that appears to being intentionally pushed into the back drop? Often misunderstood seemingly, not as powerful as I would want, but still a good idea, “Posse Comitatus Act.”

    Painting for thought…

    Oh yeah, cannabis prohibition is idiotic…


  6. Junior Says:

    Thank You.

    I often hesitate and have even chosen not to comment/share because I feel that what I really want to say is too lengthy or inappropriate and/or off topic from the original post.

    I guess recently, sharing what i’ve learned & experienced weighs more than not sharing it. -Junior

  7. Junior Says:

    You are correct, they would definitely want to see you again in 30 days, mostly because they are confident in their abilities to arraign you. ATTORNeys are officers of the court. When it comes down to the “nitty gritty” ATTORNeys must always have the best interest of the court & BAR as priority one, you, the client, come second. Most attorneys dont wanna rock the boat or make waves in their district either,,,good luck finding an attorney that dont give a fuck, like Johnny Cochran.

    We used to publicly hang those that practiced law in the 1700’s, it was considered witchcraft. The practice of law was really frowned upon back then, ever wonder why? I think it was because it removed the individual man from the legal process and dumbed him down and made him completely dependant upon the legal practitioners, leaving a shell of a man in the wake who couldn’t defend himself in a court of “law”. Fast-forward to today and we know nothing about our legal system. Most dont even know what jurisdiction is or what it means. But, i’ll keep doing my part by encouraging others to first know their rights, then once you know them, understand them, and once you understand them, exercise them. The supreme court once said (i forget the cite) that the only rights you have are the ones you stand for beligerently, yes, the supremes used the word “beligerently”!

  8. Rashomon Says:


    Just curious but I was always told when asked if I understood the charges against me to simply answer “How could I – I’m not a trained legal professional” – I’ve not had to deal with the beak for a couple of years but from what you’re saying, I would assume that should I answer that way, they’d just tell me to piss off, get a lawyer and come back in 30 days.

    Is my understanding correct?

  9. JIM666 Says:

    Junior again thank you, as far as the judge having a since of humor, well,,, thats out the window, as I already have been before him and know he has no since of humor maby some of the other patrons of the court might find humor in it, but as I stated prior I have no intentions of copping a plea, so we,ll see where this takes me as far as going to jail well,,,,, been there before but Im tired of being screwed over by our so called judicial system
    thnx again
    much respects,Jim

  10. rollinnorth Says:

    Thanks, Sled. Interesting site, too.

  11. Junior Says:

    Jim666: Wish you the best this friday. It is good to see someone else with the fortitude to stand for their rights. I hope you get a judge that has a sense of humor (like the one that thought I was a Ron Paul supporter). Chances are you wont and I sure hate to see you penalized for standing for your right to truly understand the charges against you and have the contract or complaint. If things dont work out and if you get into a bind just say: I need more time to seek assistance of council, this should,at least, get your case/appearance continued.

    Most people dont wanna stand up for their rights because it is inconvenient to be jailed for a few days. Give em Hell and if you choose to fight, stand your ground.

  12. Rebel Says:

    Dear Junior,

    This is very good.


  13. JIM666 Says:

    thnx Junior, i got quite a few laughes outta that, and am thinking heavely upon using that stratigy, looks like fun to say the least, lol, altho i live in a communestwealth, I guess we,ll see how this turns out, my arringment is this friday, so if ya dont hear from me for a few day, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    respects Jim

  14. Junior Says:

    My four traffic court “victories” all came by preventing arraignment. Arraignment is that first stage where the court establishes jurisdiction. No jurisdiction, no case. The courts first attempt to establish jurisdiction is when they ask “do u understand the charge against you?” An answer from you in the affirmative establishes jurisdiction, after all you are telling them “yes, i understand”, which constitutes an agreement with the court. My advice, learned from experience, is do NOT enter into agreements with the court. My victories were ALL acheived by avoiding agreements with the court at all costs. …was once jailed for 72 hrs for “disorderly conduct” (not one of the original charges) because the black robed individual didnt like the fact that he couldnt obtain jurisdiction on the original charges, and didnt like the fact that I was loudly embarrasing him in his court room.

    Once you state that you do not understand the charge, this will appear to infuriate the black robed administrator, but its just for show. He will then say something like ” the charge is SPEEDING, what is so hard to understand about speeding”. At this point, you must be prepared to explain what you dont understand and why you dont understand it. Typically, I explain that I do not understand because the only jurisdictions that I know of are one where there is a breech of contract and the contract has been submitted as evidence. The other is where there is an injured party and a FORMAL VERIFIED COMPLAINT has been sworn out by the injured party.

    At this point what black robed administrators do or say varies greatly from one to another. Giving advice beyond the advice given above is probably futile because no two administrators will handle it the same way. …if there is an injured party demand a formal verified complaint to plea to (you have the right to a formal verified complaint). If it is a case of breech of contract, demand that the contract at question be submitted so you can examine the contract and prepare a defense. You must think on your feet, you must learn how to NOT assist in your own prosecution (something 99.9% of defendants do), you must be prepared to be jailed for bullshit like i was when jailed for 72hrs for “disorderly conduct” when you embarass them in front of their worshippers and they have to cuff you to save face.

    Everytime that I have beligerently stood my ground and prevented their attempts at jurisdiction & arraignment by raising valid arguments and demanded complaints or contracts, the originating charges vanish and they jail me for disorderly for a couple days then life is good again. One black robed individual jsut adjourned court when I prevented him from arraigning me and I left & went home.

    Consider all appearances a perpetuating arraignment and stand your ground but be ready to deal with the consequences. Their true criminal nature will come out when they figure out that you wont assist in your own prosecution. But, surprisingly, after one case, the black robed individual called me over and politely asked (after pretending he was very pissed on the bench) if I was one of these Ron Paul supporters. My only response was “Did you expect me to assist in my own prosecution”. He just smiled and shook his head. It was apparent that he respected me. Maybe he was surprised that somebody finally stood up and raised valid questions that he nor the court could answer, or maybe he liked how I never allowed the proceeding past arraignment, dont know, dont care. …been jailed for what i know…been praised for what I know, reactions from black robed humans vary greatly. Be prepared for the worst, hope for the best.

    …and remeber these magic words: “I need 31 more days to seek the assistance of council”, but it only works once in any given case.

    Best of luck to you. -Junior

  15. Snow Says:

    @ JIM666
    Like moat here I’ve had issues with our so called legal system, although I have no advice to give I want to wish you the best of luck in escaping the extortion. FTP, FTF, Fuck em All.

  16. Glenn S. Says:

    RK, you are 100% correct. And some people are just apathetic sheep, others skip voting because the choices all suck. Challengers for political office talk about freedom but when elected promote control. So called freedom loving conservative candidates become law ‘n order officeholders and corporate puppets. So called freedom loving liberal candidates become the nanny government and special interest puppets. Libertarian movements like the tea party get co-opted by church and corporation. Other movements like Occupy Wall St. have some good points, but are weak. The process weeds out all candidates that might actually govern from a freedom-loving perspective with respect for the individual. For any real change to be successful, the basic freedoms will have to be the purpose, not the talking points.

  17. RK Says:

    If you think those numbers are bad, you’ll fall over at the apathy from where I’m at. I live just outside the Houston metro area, and in Harris county,where Houston is, there are a little over 2 million registered voters. Right around 23,000 voted in the primary elections last month. That’s right around 1% of the eligible voting population.
    The back and forth corrupt partisan politics count on the complacency of the voters. The two party system is junk and everyone knows it. Our liberties have been a game dating back all the way to the creation of the Federalist party. Like many here, I’m a veteran, and like many here I’ve been branded a domestic terrorist for riding a motorcycle in a club, standing for what I believe in, and having a fucking opinion. The sheep out there don’t care, and as long as the government continues to let them suck from their teat, then the people will remain complacent and compliant.
    I for one will not lie around watching the liberties & freedoms which I defended continue to be eroded. I will not be there waiting patiently for the government I used to love so much to step up and sodomize me. I am ready to stand up and fight, but sadly the vast majority of the general population is made up of pussies, to scared to even vote much less fight for their freedoms.
    I won’t put blame on Bush or Obama. Democrat or Republican. Conservative or Liberal. I put the blame squarely where it belongs… on the people, who became apathetic,and have allowed the ideals of this once great nation to erode into a joke. It is our duty to fix the problem we created, and if a revolution be necessary to do that the so shall it be.


    One more thing; even if this country has become a joke, it’s still the best fucking joke on the face of God’s green earth!

  18. Glenn S. Says:

    I think I hate the system less when I have to deal with crooks. One can do business with a crook. I can relate to crooks. Back in the day, they were all crooks. Now the crooks are minor inconveiniences and sometimes even helpful when trying to escape a system run by overzealous assholes that think they’re on a mission from God. And then there are those who are crooks AND overzealous assholes.

    Some years ago, here in SC, a young woman was killed in an act of senseless random violence. Or maybe she was killed by a couple of coke dealers she was fucking because she threatened to rat them out. Stories differ. Either way, the woman was killed, two coke dealers were tried, and both were convicted and sentenced to life, not death. The deceased woman’s father, a construction company owner, was so pissed (especially about the defendant’s version of the motive) that he founded a victims’ rights organization. His organization got so big and powerful that he was able to trade a political endorsement for a seat on the parole board. A lot of parolees ended up working at this man’s construction company, and were paid less than their non-parolee co-workers. A lot of deserving prisoners didn’t make parole. Convicts were about the only people in SC that understood this to be a tragic joke.

    Franz Kafka would have a field day with today’s criminal justice system, here in the USA. I suspect the signers of the Declaration of Independance would load their muskets and fight another war to get rid if it.

  19. Phuquehed Says:

    Thanks for that IRISHPUNK…I posted a couple of comments. That kind of shit fires my ass up and makes me glad I’m not there because I’m pretty sure I’d either be in some asshats face giving them shit – loudly and angrily – or hitting one or more of them and then sitting in jail.

  20. IRISHPUNK Says:

    Kevin Black of Fairhope said city officials are threatening his constitutional rights by preventing him from opening a tattoo parlor there…

    “Undesirable elements”

    Kingrea said he is concerned the parlor would bring undesirable elements into the city.

    “If a tattoo parlor opened up and all of a sudden you had motorcycle gangs showing up or a bunch of folks you didn’t care for, you would be able to say yeah that’s not what we’re looking for,” Kingera said.

    According to Kingrea, the council is looking for a family-style business anyone can go to and he thinks the parlor may draw undesirable elements into the city.

  21. JIM666 Says:

    To all of you thnx again, and yes Ive always known about the lawyers and how most operate,money can do great things, if you have it,lol
    as of rite now I dont have that luxury,anyway I learned this yrs ago at 18 when i got my 1st charge, but over the yrs and picking up more charges,Ive come to the agrement w/ myself that having 3 kids that are still at home and the fact im getting older, I dont and or cant ,plea out anymore,this case has to do w/ driving, but by having 2 of my kids w/ me at the time i also picked up 2 felonys , now i already have 3 felony convictions that stemmed from pleading out yrs ago, altho im almost certian in a plea the 2 felony,s will be dropped, I still dont want nor can I affored the other charges to stand, I go this week for arringment, hopfully I,ll get a lawyer that wants a fight as I have no intention of taking a plea
    thnx again to you all

  22. shovelNY Says:

    Turn the tables on the pigs,check this link out the videos a little goofy but the app is awesome:

    Glen S.:
    You hit the nail on the head about the different types of lawyers.
    Legal services are like any commodity,you get what you pay for.

    Ten years ago , when I had some money ,I caught a felony drug charge resulting from a traffic stop.
    At issue was probable cause and illegal search.
    Ten grand to the former lead prosecutor from the next county over and 2 court dates later I walked.
    He worked on my case for maybe three hours .

    Best money i ever spent.

    Last year, when I had no money,I caught a felony charge resulting from a traffic stop.
    At issue was probable cause and illegal search.
    Looking at 3-5 in state prison.
    I got a public defender. He could not have been less interested in anything I said
    D.A. offered a plea to a lower felony,364 days in county and five years probation.
    One day to decide or the case was going to the grand jury for indictment.
    I declined, offered to plea to a misdemeanor, fines,i year probation.
    D.A refused P.D. got pissed.
    I got indicted,while i was out of town and the lawyer was notified of a court date.
    His paralegal mailed me notice three days before the court date to appear and being that i was out of town, i did not receive it.
    No one bothered to call me and let me know.
    When I got back, I read the notice and that i was due in court two days ago.
    I immediately called him, I talked to the paralegal.
    She told me i now had a felony warrant out for me and i should surrender myself.
    It was about 4:30 on a Thursday afternoon.The next available court date was the following Tuesday.
    If i surrendered myself, I’d be in jail for 5 days.
    Bad idea.
    Over the next five days,the cops showed up at my home and hassled my tenants,and my place of employment a total of 11 times.
    For a non violent felony.
    I was elsewhere
    Cops pretty much work on commission and promotions are based on felony arrests.
    Eventually after almost a year of playing chicken with the prosecution and many court appearances,I plead out to a misdemeanor and 3 years probation .
    My P.D. spent maybe 5 hours on my case.
    Notice i said spent 5 hours not worked five hours.
    Never returned a phone call, the only time he talked to me was at the courthouse.
    Total time we spent speaking over the course of the year might of been 25 minutes tops
    He kept pushing me to plea and i kept refusing.
    Any work done was done by me.

    Worst money ever that i didn’t spend.

  23. Arctic Says:

    Ok ok that last sentence was unesassary, sorry. I’m just so damn hotheaded, I’m sure nobody on this site can relate to being hotheaded. Right? I am a “newbie” but I have read enough on this site to know better than to call into question your patriotism. That wasn’t what I was doing. I was simply defending my generation from the typical “these damn kids don’t know shit” mentality that get passed down from generation to generation. We are, after all, Generation X. As far as what they are teaching in schools today I can’t comment on, have no clue. What I can tell you is that in NY in 1994 we studied the Bill of rights, the Declaration of Independance, and the rest of the Constitution. And we said the Pledge of aligence every morning. The version with “Under God” in it and played the National Anthem before every Sporting event. Maybe there is some validity to what you said, I don’t know, but maybe your dates are off.
    With Respect

  24. Arctic Says:

    Ya don’t get into “internet battles?” Well how wonderful for you. Good thing I am actually a “Trol” or that might have been antagonistic and sparked an “internet battle.” Funny thing is I came back on this thread today to apologize to you and thank you for being the bigger person by not biting while I was having my temper tantrum. HOWEVER, thats not gonna happen now. (I’m sure that breaks your heart) I also think it’s WONDERFUL that you are Patriotic and support vets. One last thing… I not only support our vets I AM a combat vet so you can take your support, for this Trol, and shove it up your…
    Have a nice day
    The Trol :)

  25. Goldsboro Williams Says:

    Rebel: Thanks for the timely post!

    Everyone Else: Stay Free.


  26. Rebel Says:

    Dear Glenn S.,

    Thank you for saying this out loud. Some lawyers pay someone else more than $5,000. Some of them know judges. Some judges preside in federal district court. Some of the payments reach six figures. I have heard. From some guy in a bar.


  27. Glenn S. Says:

    There are different kinds of criminal lawyers and they don’t advertise this and don’t always tell you upfront, but some are just fixers. You pay them to get the best plea bargain possible. Their strength is in their relationships, not their legal expertise. They will NOT take a case to trial if they can help it and if they do, they won’t take a chance on pissing anybody off that they will need to deal with later. The better ones are just middlemen for bribes. You pay them ten grand and $5000 will be paid to someone else to reduce your charge, lose evidence, dismiss outright, etc. The worst ones take charity cases and trade them out for paying clients behind the scenes. If you’re guilty, caught dead-to-rights, and want to minimize consequences that is the way to go. If you’re innocent, or if law enforcement behavior is so bad as to have evidence thrown out or charges dropped, or if evidence against you is weak, you don’t want this type of lawyer. He’ll try to plead you out as a favor to the prosecution, to be repaid, and will try to convince you he went to the wall to get you a good deal.

    Always best to ask a potential attorney if he is willing to fight the case on legal grounds, and express, upfront, an unwillingness to plea bargain.

  28. BigV Says:

    Go talk to a couple lawyers, if it’s not real serious it may be cheaper- quite a bit cheaper. Might get a payment plan too.

    Go see several and then think on it a night or two and then go forth.

  29. JIM666 Says:

    1st id like to apologize for taking this thread off context, but thought this thread was the best place for posting about this considering the circumstances,
    To Big V thank you and yes there were some questionable actions by the cop, as far as $7,500 bucks well that aint gonna happen ,gonna have to go w/ a public defender
    The thing that get,s me here is the way all the politicians get away with screwing up every rite and law this country has that protects our rites as people, and trying to chalange any and all of those laws are to me our obligation as citizens of the U.S.of A
    now i may be wrong here and more than likley to some people i am. and as far as politics go Im not one for em in any shape or form, Hell I even hate our club politics so much I stepped down from an officers position, but when I contenue to see our rites eroding every single day by these worthless scumbags in office I feel something needs to be done very soon no matter how small the act, everything starts somewhere, And if any way possable anywhere I can find a way to turn the tables on these scum then I,ll damned sure try it, they have gotten away too long and gone too far w/ the seemingley unlimited powers they have,
    It seems to me that the term “public servant”has somehow gotten turned around to mean public enforcer.
    It,s time to take back this country, these states, and free the people once again…
    again thanks for all the usefull comments



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