Roll On Big Justice

February 9, 2012

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The Christopher “Stoney” Ablett racketeering trial, which is a proxy for the Mongols Motorcycle Club racketeering trial, rolls on in San Francisco.

Ablett is accused of murdering Hells Angels Frisco charter President Mark “Papa” Guardado on behalf of the “Mongols criminal enterprise” in a street fight in the Mission District in September 2008. Ablett faces life in prison if convicted. He has never been offered a plea deal. He has already spent 40 months behind bars.

Now all the Big Justice Department Meat Processing Machine has to do is convince a jury that the homicide was not at all what American philosopher William James called “The Moral Equivalent of War” but really the Countrywide mortgage mess dressed up in a three piece patch. So far, before the defense even begins to present its case, Big Justice appears to be rolling on flat tires.


ATF Special Agent and Super Outlaw Darrin Kozlowski, who began to testify last Friday, was back on the stand from 8:30 a.m. Monday until lunchtime on Tuesday.  Ablett’s lead counsel, Richard Mazer, spent part of that time toying with the undercover agent. During one, long rhetorical interlude Mazer asked “Tha Koz” to name the chapter Presidents of each Northern California Mongols chapter. The well prepared witness obliged. Then, one by one, Mazer asked Kozlowski to tell the jury what each of them had been indicted for. That forced the expert witness to reply over and over, “He wasn’t indicted for anything.” So the jury heard over and over that most Mongols have never been indicted for anything.

Mazer also beat Kozlowski about the head and shoulders with the witness’ wretched deceitfulness. “So you deceived all these people who were your supposed brothers? You lied on a regular basis to these men? So, Mr. Kozlowski, you are in fact a professional liar, aren’t you?”

To which Kozlowski replied, “Yes.”

The Missing Evidence

Even more shocking than the total lack of press interest in this trial is the astounding lack of physical evidence.

For example, the gun that killed Guardado is still missing. The bullet that penetrated Guardado’s torso has never been recovered. Guardado’s cell phone is also missing and although he was pronounced dead at 11:02 p.m. the phone was still making calls at 12:05 a.m. Someone checked Guardado’s voice mail five days after he died. The defense attempted to convince the jury that if the dead man’s cell phone was carried away from the scene other evidence may have been as well.

At other points in the trial this week the prosecutors have appeared to be sloppy about details. For instance the government seems to be unable to prove that Guardado’s arm stab wounds were inflicted before he died rather than after. An expert witness in “blood stain pattern interpretation” named Craig Ogino hung Guardado’s jacket on a mannequin and testified that the jacket had been zipped closed. However, Guardado was a stocky man. He was about five-eight and when he died he weighed about 295 pounds. So it might have been physically impossible for Guardado to zip his jacket closed.

Demonizing The Angels

When the defense begins to argue its case tomorrow or next week, Mazer will probably take pains to demonize both Guardado and the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club. Two of the witnesses the defense has subpoenaed to do that are cops.

One of those witnesses is a Laconia New Hampshire Sheriff’s Lieutenant named Christopher Cost who was once assaulted by Guardado. The other witness is a former Petaluma, California detective named Jason Lechleiter.

Lechleiter is described in defense documents as, “the lead detective in a criminal case in Sonoma County in which Guardado led an attack by members of the Hells Angels upon an innocent citizen at a restaurant in Petaluma, California in February 2008. Mr. Guardado and another Hells Angel, Jonathan Nelson of the Sonoma County Chapter, were charged with assault causing great bodily injury and being members of a criminal street gang, as that term is defined under California state law. Mr. Lechleiter spent the next six months investigating the Hells Angels chapters in San Francisco and Sonoma County. He wrote and executed search warrants of the Hells Angels clubhouses in San Francisco and Santa Rosa in July 2008. Mr. Lechleiter developed specialized knowledge of the criminal activities of the Hells Angels in the San Francisco Bay area, and how members of those chapters were operating a sophisticated criminal enterprise that engaged in multiple forms of criminal activity. Mr. Guardado was on bail for the Sonoma County charges when he led the attack on Mr. Ablett in September 2008. Mr. Nelson was later convicted of the February 2008 assault in a Sonoma County jury trial in 2010.”

Lechlieter, who now lives in New Mexico, will testify either by video feed or by a video recorded deposition. The jury should hear his opinions of the Angels next week. And the defense expects him “to support the reasonableness of defendant Chris Ablett’s belief that he was being attacked by members and associates of the Hells Angels on the evening of September 2, 2008, in support of the defendant’s claim that he acted in self-defense and in defense of others, namely the two women he was with when the attack by the Hells Angels occurred.”

Future Witnesses

It seems increasingly likely that Ablett will take the stand in his own defense. An amendment to the jury instructions proposed by Ablett’s defense on Thursday reads, “The defendant has testified. You should treat this testimony just as you would the testimony of any other witness.”

And, it still remains possible that former Mongols President Ruben “Doc” Cavazos may testify on Ablett’s behalf. Defense investigators interviewed Cavazos last week at the California City gulag where the government has been hiding him since last September. Among other things Doc told them he would really enjoy a trip to San Francisco. And, a usually informed source has said that possibility has thrown the ATF Case Agent who put Cavazos in prison, a fellow named John Ciccone, into a “panic.”



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42 Responses to “Roll On Big Justice”

  1. Shyster Says:

    Damn I would like to attend this trial. Rebel, do you know what the witness lineup will be on 2/14?


  2. L.A. 1%er Says:

    A “paid liar” huh? No fucken shit! It’s his god damn job description. Rebel, thanks for these updates, they are much appreciated. Here’s hoping that my Brother is soon free and at home with his family where he belongs. MFFM

  3. things that make you go hmm Says:

    SOMETHING HAS ALWAYS SMELLED WRONG IN THIS CASE. especially with the main stream media not covering this story.

  4. Glenn S. Says:

    2 to 1 he’s acquited. The press knows it and that’s probably why they’re not covering it. They don’t want to embarress their partners. The question is, will they release him upon acquital or will the state charge him? (The supreme court has ruled that charging the same person for the same thing under both state and federal law is not double jeopardy. They say that its a “crime against two different sovereigns”.)

    I think Mazer might be fucking up by focusing on the Hells Angels vs. Mongols angle. Juries can nullify by convicting, as well as by acquiting. All to often, we hear that a jury has convicted on the basis of scant evidence, and the reason they do so, IMHO, is because they priotitize what they see as the safety of society over whether or not the defendant has been proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If the jury sees Ablett as a soldier in a war who just happened to prevail in the particular battle, they will be hostile, while if they see him as just a good ol’ boy out chasing pussy, they might relate.

    Condolances to the brothers and other loved ones of Mark Guardado.

  5. RVN69 Says:

    My gut feeling is Ablett will go to jail for a long time. The evidence or lack thereof won’t be as crucial as the desire of the jury to put away a member of the criminal menace. I think the “gang” angle has been beaten so hard that most civilians couldn’t tell you the difference between a M/C member and a Blood or Crip, and may well not think there is any. Maybe I am wrong but it seems the Feds are sloppy because they know they can be and it won’t make any difference. Unlike the local or state cops, the people on the jury don’t really know the Feds and are likely to give them the benefit of the doubt because they are perceived as the “good guys”

    Potius Mori Quam Foedare

  6. Rebel Says:

    Dear Shyster,

    No I don’t. The prosecution hasn’t wrapped yet and I don’t know when the defense will start. On the day you asked about, I expect the AUSA, on behalf of a grateful nation, to present Kozlowski with a big, heart shaped box of chocolates.


  7. Proud 1%er Says:

    Same old song and dance that the feds are doing in this case. I wouldn’t be so sure on a aquittal here. Judges are politicians. Judges are under the same universal belief that if your standing before my or a court you are guilty whether by the crime or your guilty by association. The noble outlaw cannot and will not get a fair trial with all the lying and corrupion that Law Enforcement is providing to the local, federal and supreme rulers of the courts! Who knows…maybe something good can happen out this trial. Like Koz and Ciccone become transparent and get perjury trials, but most importantly Ablett gets to go home to his family for protecting his god given right to defend himself over an ass-hole or ass-hole’s who thought they were the baddest on the block… but found out otherwise!

  8. DocB Says:

    I agree. The average person will convict both sides equally if you present both sides as gang members. Evidence doesn’t matter much and no such thing as self defence. They will convict because someone has convinced them that it was a gang beef, and everybody “knows” gangs are bad. It doesn’t matter that we see ourselves as club members. It matters that they are convinced we are all gang members and must have done it, whatever IT was.


  9. RVN69 Says:

    Yep, I think that is a mighty sharp double edged sword that the defense is using by emphasizing the Hells Angels/Mongols conflicts. Maybe the jury will see this as self defense, or maybe they will just say “Screw them all, they are all gangs.” I believe it will be the latter.


    “Come to the nightmare come to me deep down in the dark where the devil be, in the maw with the jaws and the razor teeth where the brimstone burns and the angel weeps. Call to the gods if I cross your path and my shiloutte hangs like a bodybag. Hope is a moment now long past, the shadow of death is the one I cast.” Excerpt from the Warrior Song.

    Respect to all those who have gone in harms way for our country.

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  11. Mongol 1%er Says:

    Good luck Stoney….hopefully these bastards will get whats coming to them….

    Hiding evidence, lying, and clearly another one of our brothers lost his life because of these “COPS”. Thanks Rebel, keep it coming.


  12. Danny Gatton Says:

    Glenn, you’re the only one with the right notion about the verdict.You give me great concern extending condolences to a guy who tried to kill an innocent victim. I can’t fathom even the most bizarre logic which would cause you to do that.What exactly got said about the intentions these five guys had for the two very petite women who were with the defendant? This has not been mentioned here before.Y’all seem to forget that two small, civilian women were at risk as well. I will be hoping on a daily basis that you are soon confronted with a similar scenario. Let us know how you like it. Sincerely from the heart, Danny

  13. ovserver Says:

    Common sense here seems to indicate a pretty straightforward case for self defense. The defendant was(apparently) not on the scene because he was looking for the victim. In fact, he was(apparently) in the act of leaving when the victim was summoned to the scene by Jiminez and Watso. Victim arrived in the company of several others, and the struggle began. Why is this not self defense? Moreover, if anyone is culpable in this killing, it would seem to be those who called the victim to the scene. I “get” all the peripheral issues that are coloring and driving this case, but why cannot the defense strip it down to the bare bones and make a case for the obvious? That would seem to be the logical beginning and ending (ignoring the HA/Mongol feud, etc) of a common sense defense. Keep it as simple as possible, don’t play into the deeper, basically irrelevant issues. Let the prosecution come across as the architects of the make-believe.

  14. ovserver Says:

    Never mind, by re-reading the charges I see now the defense has to play the “racketeering” hand they are dealt. This is a messed-up case for sure.

  15. Bookworm Says:

    I’ve heard in the past of cases where the defendants past criminal history was not made available to the jury. Even if the past conviction was similiar to what the defendant was being tried for.
    But when motorcycle clubs are involved, everything that has ever been done,said,speculated, or lied about has relevancy. This further stacks the deck for a conviction. Especially when these details come from a federal expert mouth whose deep cover credibility should carry the same weight as a jailhouse snitch. Past affiliations will automatically taint a jury and they will instantly presume guilt. As far as jurors being objective, you have to remember that they were’nt smart enough to get out of jury duty to begin with. (Thanks Rebel I read that somewhere). They will side with law enforcement and the belief that the police never arrest and try the innocent. Most jurors will have the opinion of “these guys are in motorcycle GANGS, they must of done something wrong somewhere, sometime.” These days most Americans smartphones tell them they know everything, when they dont know s**t. And their contact with LE is minimal if anything.

  16. Nihilist Says:

    Thank you for your insight. I agree that if the Prosecution is successful in washing the whole incident with a broad gang-inspired theme, the 12 Angry Men will consider it a bitter pill to swallow. What? Gang? Send him away!

    …Ablett is a gang member, this was a case of two gangs fighting, these gangs will always be fighting….what do I care about a gang member…? This would be a clear manipulation of facts and justice, but these are the good guys tipping the scales in favor of the suburbanites–they’ll make everything okay for you all so you can step and fetch and still make it to the mall.

    Hopefully objective perspectives will be taken into account. If the jurors understand that Koz is a “professional liar” and a “narcissistic psychopath” (Didn’t another Mongol describe him as such?) they should also wonder when the lying stops and why wouldn’t he lie to them, the judge, the AUSA…There seem to be a lot of murky spots, real and intentional…people like Koz live for these inflammatory opportunities to create bullshit out of thin air. Cripes, does this asshole deal with the truth at all?

    The known facts seem to lead to an air of self-defense. The known players will be portrayed in a way that will lead to an air of uncertainty based on fear, bad television, egos, and flat-out lies. Under normal conditions, the benefit of that inkling of doubt would be cast in the defendant’s favor. Under these conditions, it seems people will be acting out of their own self-survival, not in consideration of one of their own…because after all, he’s not like them, he’s just another gang member terrorizing the streets. I know because the man said so.

    I feel bad for all the Abletts and Guardados out there who wind up as victims of one machination or another, but I especially have revulsion for the sheep who won’t turn off their televisions and wallow, nay, are exalted, in their ignorance and actively turn off their critical thinking functions. FTW

  17. Glenn S. Says:


    If you re-read my post, you will see that I did not “extend condolances TO a guy who tried to kill an innocent victim.” I extended condolances to the brothers and other loved ones of a man who had risen to a position he had to have earned a large measure of love and respect to acheive. I stand by those words. As for the circumstances of his death, I was not there, and have no firsthand knowlege of those events. I will not do as the government has done and try to speculate.

    As I have posted, I am not a member of either of the clubs mentioned in this thread. I am a civilian, but I am not a citizen. I do not express any opinion here on which club, if any, I support. The patchholders are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves or not, as they choose. The issues regarding any possible conflicts between clubs are for the clubs to settle. I have made every effort to remain neutral in my posts, and I believe expressing the wish that Ablett is acquited while at the same time expressing condolances to Guardado’s loved ones is in keeping with my desire to remain neutral here.

    As I have posted, I am definately not neutral when it comes to bikers vs. the government. If anyone referred to here is behaving like a “gang”, it is the agents of the government. From where I sit, the clubs generally live by their codes, while the government does whatever it pleases to serve its not-so-noble goals.

    Danny, when I first read your post, my initial thought was: Uh oh. Here’s LEO or one of his supporters trying to stir up shit.

    When I stumbled onto Rebel’s website, and when I later read his books, my impression was and still is that he is reporting on the efforts of the government to shut down the motorcycle clubs without taking any sides as to which club is right and which is wrong, expressing support for the accused and condolances for the departed equally. In adding my own two cents worth, I have tried to do the same.

    As far as your wish that I am confronted with a similar situation, you are too late. Been there, done that, when a bunch of, uh, African American prisoners tried to stab a friend of mine in prison and everybody but me and my friend and the herd of African Americans ran. And here I still breathe, sleeping the sleep of the just at night with no problems looking at myself in the mirror.

    Sincerely, from the balls,

  18. Rebel Says:

    Dear Bookworm,

    Thanks for this thoughtful comment.

    In federal justice, appearance is everything and appearances are usually deceiving. I think that at this point in history America, which is really mass media America as opposed to the old local communities that comprised America, is obsessed with gangs and personal safety. There was a little brouhaha in the Ablett case in San Francisco this week, for example, over Ablett’s “gang” tattoos.

    Next I suppose, cops dressed up like Delta operators will start running mounted patrols through the barrios and ghettos, and then through the formerly middle-class neighborhoods blighted by foreclosures. I think the relationship between free citizens and the police is becoming incrasingly Orwellian. I may be the only guy who thinks that but it seems obvious to me.


  19. Glenn S. Says:

    I’m not sure of the nuances of California or federal law. Questions come to mind: When self defense is used as a legal defense, does the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard still apply, or does it become an affirmative defense (as it does in my home state), where the “preponderance of evidance” standard applies? In the RICO case, must the government prove all elements to find him guilty at all? In other words, if the jury is willing to finds Ablett guilty of murder, but not that the murder was comitted in furtherance of the goals of a contunuing criminal enterprise, can the jury still convict of common murder in federal court?


  20. Rebel Says:

    Dear ovserver,

    I think the Ablett trial is a proxy trial intended to convict all motorcycle clubs of racketeering.

    I am aware that Ablett killed an Angel which has heated emotions about the case. It certainly complicates covering the case. In this counterculture, most guys understand the case that way — “a Mongol killed an Angel in San Francisco. Choose sides.” However, to the world at large, whenever the world steals a glance, this case is about “Do you see what these animals do to one another?! How can we stop this terrible menace?!”

    Thanks for commenting,

  21. thump Says:

    Glenn S.
    Well said. Glad you’re still around.

  22. observer Says:

    This case is like an onion, with way too many layers of “plausible reality.” Strip away the feds’ ‘big picture’ agenda, the notoriety of the patches, and the “jury of peers” charade, and we have two guys in an unnecessary, deadly confrontation that was arranged by bystanders. Of course, there are the gun(s) and the stabbings, and much mystery as to who actually did what to whom (there were others present as well, possible participants, presumably in the victim’s behalf, but perhaps accidentally responsible for the fatal wound?). Self defense may be a bit of a reach, perhaps manslaughter is more like it? And there’s a doctrine somewhere whereby those accompanying someone who is killed in the act of a crime, are thereby liable for that person’s “murder”, however the death occurs. It’s a reach, but this might seem to extend even to those who so eagerly arranged this tragic meeting.
    Ok, my two cents are up.
    Rebel, thanks for devoting so much to what practically nobody knows, much less cares about, but like that advancing storm beyond the horizon, will someday blow them away too if they don’t look up in time.

  23. Rebel Says:

    Dear Danny Gatton,

    I understand that an important component of this tragedy was Ablett’s concern for the safety of the two women. I also have seen some statements given in September 2008 that indicate that rather than attacking the women one of the combatants ordered them to “Get the fuck out of here.”

    Just saying. All due respect.


  24. Rebel Says:

    Dear observer,

    Thanks for your kind words.

    Guns and knives are part of America.

    Thomas jefferson said, “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”

    And he also said, “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”

    David Bowie, who invented the most American of knives, used his frequently.

    Anthony Burgess, in A Clockwork Orange, explored the theme of violence opposed to conventional morality much more artistically that I can. Burgess’ violent antihero is arrested, convicted and rehabilitated in a state of the art brainwashing factory. The book, and Burgess to the end of his days, was ambiguous about whether brainwashing the violence out of human beings is a good thing or a bad thing.

    My two cents,

  25. Glenn S. Says:

    Thump, thanks. The only reason I can think of to leave would be to seek membership in a MC, at which time I would stop posting any opinion on any subject anywhere. And if I do that, it will be because I feel the bonds of brotherly love developing, and doing so seems the natural next step.

    Rebel, I strongly agree with your assessment of the point of view of the world at large. I’m aware that your site is open to that world. And thank you for what you do. The world today has become an increasingly cold and unfriendly place for society’s misfits, but with some small pockets of warmth and refuge. You have provided such a pocket.

  26. observer Says:

    Personally, I’m amazed at how few people I know seem to carry a knife. It amounts to practically nobody. Maybe I’m just in the wrong crowd. On the street though, my presumption is that I am far from alone.

  27. Glenn S. Says:

    Rebel, I remember A Clockwork Orange, and I think Burgess’s ambiguity was disingenous. To force brainwashing is itself an act of violence. To force the brainwashing of violence out of the entirity of humanity except for the brainwashers is tyrany.

  28. Glenn S. Says:

    Observer, the legal doctrine you speak of is often called “the hand of one is the hand of all”. What it means is that if you and I go out to rob a store, and in doing so the store clerk kills me, you can be charged with murder in my death even though you did not kill me or want me dead. On the other hand, if you and I go out to have a beer, and I decide, entirely on my own, to rob the bar, and kill or am killed, you are guilty of nothing at all.

    The government is notorious for mis-charging under this doctrine, often charging innocent potential witnesses in an effort to either gain leverage to compel testimony towards their version of “truth” or to carve more notches on their conviction records. Just another tool in the government’s arsenel that is not available to the defense.

    So if you and I went out for a beer, and I decided, entirely on my own, to rob the place, you would likely be charged as an accomplice if nobody got hurt, and for murder if somebody was killed. Your protestations that you knew nothing of my intent would fall on deaf ears, but if you were willing to say that I had voiced the intent to rob the place, you could get a deal.

  29. observer Says:

    Glenn S:
    Thanks for yet another of your astute, and doubtless hard-won observations on the machinations of ‘the law’.

  30. Danny Gatton Says:

    Rebel, brouhaha? God bless you sir, Gaelic is alive and well in America! Yeah, we are all aware that one of the girls testified about the guy telling her “Get the fuck out of here.” A guy who matched Ratso’s appearance at the time of the incident, by the way. Not now, butt back then.I was playing devil’s advocate, mentioning that for another person who brought it up. I think there had to be some concern for the girls on the part of the defendant, but it was probably secondary. We don’t know.
    Now Mr. Glenn, Dear Glenn, I read it right the first time and posted just as I meant to.The post encompassed all of them: victim,family, friends, fellow members.It was implied, although I wrote “to a guy” it was implied “et al.” Sorry that wasn’t clear.Maybe it was a manifestation of my passive-aggressive personality disorder. You know, Switzerland was neutral in the big war, but every comment I have ever heard was pretty negative about that. I get it Glenn. It’s a dangerous scenario and if it does not involve a person directly, there is no point in having an opinion. I am no where close to being LEO. We are on the same page in that regard. If you look at that recent editorial “Thomas Heath Sentenced/ Back in Time” you will get a small glimpse in to what’s gone on. There’s been a lot more. One team is definitely at fault. I was like you, but I have become aware of the score. I still don’t weigh in on the big picture. You are right, that’s between them.
    I am curious how you could be a resident alien and not be deported after a manslaughter beef. I recall your other story about standing up to the Nigs in the pen. You were alone in that incident.In this second event, you stood hard with a friend. I applaud you for standing against the Jigs, major cool points fo dat. I said from the heart to emphasize how truly I felt what I said. I am not sure the prison analogy holds well. You expect that every minute of every day in the pen. You don’t really expect a homicidal monster to charge out of the shadows when you are simply having a semi-romantic interlude in front of a yuppy bar( 18-20 blocks from the club house, Rebel,according to the map). Oh well.I am going out on a limb to interpret your “from the balls.” I am hoping it is an announcement of virility and self-assurance, rather than a bucket of piss flung in my face. Let me know. Danny

  31. Glenn S. Says:

    Danny, I think you are confusing me with someone else. I’ve never been convicted of manslaughter (gun and drug law violations, pled pursuant to Alford to Assault and Battary of a high and aggravated nature and being a felon in posession, some other perephial shit). Nor am I a resident alien. That was another guy that commented behind a post I made. I’m a natural born virile and self-assured American Southerner who had more than one disagreement with our colored bretheren while in the penitentiary (but who also realized that the staff just looooved to pour gasolene on the racial fires to deflect anger from themselves. If prisoners were united, they could not have treated us like shit and gotten away with it).

    Yeah, Switzerland was neutral and all that. But the victors always write the history. Hopefully, the government won’t write the history here. I forget if it was vonClauswitz or SunTzu or Tacticus that said: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

    Flinging no piss, accepting none either,


  32. Nihilist Says:

    It seems that there is no end to the statutes and decisions that have allowed for uninmaginable subjective behavior to drive cops’ actions. No matter what goes down, there’s always a convoluted way to justify things–officer safety, perceived danger to the public…Not that these things don’t ever exist in a potential criminal situation…but consider subjectivity on the part of people like Koz, Tony Tait, or the Iron Pigs who like to flaunt their imagined invincibility. Act first, then apply the necessary justification later in the report.

    Some undercover agents have even gone so far as to work backward from a perceived ideal about m/c clubs–Rebel did a good job covering this in Out Bad about that orchestrated drug deal…One has to wonder if so many of these problems wouldn’t even exist if BATFE/FBI agents didn’t get off on “pouring gasoline on the fires.” Also, weren’t a couple of Mongol infiltraitors (intended) told they needed “to tone their shit down”? Assuredly, their behavior was worse than anybody they were trying to implicate, even if only from time to time.

    No, we can’t all just get along. Act like an asshole and you’re going to get what’s coming to you. But that’s not the point. Whatever you do, don’t look behind the curtain.

    Um, Rebel, don’t you mean Jim Bowie? If you were Rebel Rebel, then I would see where you got David Bowie.

  33. Danny Gatton Says:

    Thanks Glenn, you’re good. I let personal feelings get the best of me. You’re right about the screws, they do it in every state and the boys are too ignorant to get beyond their Toad bullshit for the better good of all.Here is a little footnote to your post about Papa rising to the presidency in Frisco. I don’t know shit, but this was in the newspapers back then. The actual president and sergeant at arms of Frisco were convicted and sent away on vacation by the Feds. Papa filled the void for the displaced pres. I am not sure, but if this happened a year earlier it probably would have involved the actual pres rather than his replacement. Rebel was so right in that early editorial where he talked about God and fate. Many, many stars lined up to send these men together at that exact time. This was obviously predetermined by the Creator, so I don’t see why anyone harbors bad feelings. This was decided 1,000 years ago. WTF Danny G.

  34. sled tramp Says:

    Never (EVER) go see “A Clockwork Orange” on acid with a 103 degree fever….
    Trust me on this.
    Really…..jussssssst trust me….

  35. Glenn S. Says:

    Danny, its all good. I’m on the other side of the country from the location of events reported here. If I lived out there, and if I knew any or the club members involved or lived in their world, I’d probably have stronger opinions and they’d probably be based more on on who my friends were than anything else. True, this seems a case of bad timing, bad luck, and no happy endings for anyone that matters.

    Sled Tramp, I’ll take your word for that.

    Goodnight, y’all.

  36. Junior Says:

    Seems that pictures should be posted of these federalies who pose as outlaw bikers. If we all knew what these leeches faces looked like we could at least avoid contact with them. It seems Kuzlowski (spelling?) goes from one club to another stirring up his special brew of shit stew. Again, If we all had his face seared into our minds we could spot him from afar and avoid contact with him and maybe even invite him to leave the area or provide him an escort to the door.

  37. Glenn S. Says:

    Junior, I saw a site called FriendorFoe that had some of those pictures posted.

  38. Junior Says:


    How about a section or page on your site where you post names and several pictures along with a write-up including modus operandi of ALL of these unproductive federal leeches on society who are fed by the public trough. Hell, lets do a “State” page too. Exposing their faces and various likenesses will only benefit those who are members of M/C’s. I, for one, only wished I knew what these guys looked like and the many likenesses they used. Knowing these guys faces would help me avoid them or at least be on the look out for them. If these federal faces were posted in every M/C clubhouse they sure would be a lot easier to spot. Rebel, your site is the only place I know of that could accomplish this and be seen by some or most M/C’s.

  39. Rebel Says:

    Dear Junior,

    I have run a lot of these photos. The trouble is, the ATF, DEA and FBI are very secretive. It can take some work just to get the name of a UC or CI. I will go through what I have and do a story. If anybody has any shots of any of these UCs please forward them to me.


  40. Junior Says:

    I really look forward to seeing pictures with names of all the known active “mc” agents. The sooner ones face is posted in a clubhouse and exposed to the “masses”, the less time he can spend in the field becoming an “expert”. This would also drive up cost by forcing gubbamint to rotate agents more frequently and mean less of them would become “experts”, whatever the hell that is. Hopefully, when I’m roaming around various bike events etc around the eastcoast this year ill see “wanted” posters with agents faces on em posted by vendors & others. If you’re a vendor at bike week or a big event and you don’t agree with how the alphabet soup gangs handle business, then expose them for who they are, put up a poster, show the known agents and CI’s faces to those who pass by your booth. Make copies, I get a feeling they’ll go like hot cakes and word will travel fast.

  41. Caretaker Says:

    glenn s… Good site,thanks… Very useful


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