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Will Doc Cavazos Flip

Maybe the Feds have the Mongols by the huevos. Maybe after, numerous attempts over the last 30 years, the Department of Justice is finally, actually going to deconstruct a major outlaw motorcycle club. Maybe not. But, don’t dismiss the possibility.

“The future right now,” former Mongol Tony Vodnik rhetorically asked the Associated Press yesterday. Vodnik was one of about 200 Mongols patch holders purged by ex-Mongols President Ruben “Doc” Cavazos. “Well it’s kind of hard to say. Hopefully the club will always be out there.”

Hopefully but maybe not. Maybe this is it for the Mongols.

First of all, in all the world there are probably only 600 Mongols and right now about 10 percent of them are in jail. Who is going to pay the suits? Criminal lawyers are expensive. And, the Feds have also sent the Mongols a bill for $5,000,000.

Bye Bye Mongols Patch

The Feds are already seeking the permanent forfeiture of the “intellectual rights” to the Mongols trademarked name and logo. Yesterday, U.S. District Court Judge Florence-Marie Cooper granted an injunction that prohibits gang members, their family members and associates from wearing, licensing, selling or distributing the Mongols patch which depicts the head of a Mongol warrior wearing sunglasses and smoking a cigarette.

Starting today, any cop anywhere who sees anyone wearing a set of Mongols colors can confiscate them on sight. Which is exactly the sort of things cops dream.

And so, there goes even the club income from the “Support Your Local Mongols” coffee cup business. Maybe there goes the Mongols.

Cavazos Property Of

Even more important than the money, right this minute, the Feds own Ruben “Doc” Cavazos. Right this minute, all those Dudley Do Rights own Cavazos’ house, car, motorcycles, guns, his son, his credit cards and his bank accounts.

Cavazos, who has become almost famous as the leader of the Mongols, was voted out of the club “in bad standing” at a meeting in Vernon, CA on August 30. Apparently, a majority of the membership believed Cavazos was stealing from the club and was provoking a war with the Mexican Mafia.

Apparently, many Mongols and ex-Mongols have thought Cavazos was stealing from the club for a long time.

Exiled Mongols Speak

“Doc was all about the money,” former Mongols President Roger Pinney told the AP. Cavazos was “out for himself and not the brotherhood of the club.”

“I heard on one run he made $900,000. That’s a lot of money,” former member Vodnik said. “He was stripping the club of money. That was the club’s money not his money…No President is supposed to gain from the club. And he bought houses, bikes, cars for his son and his brother.”

Alone

Cavazos is on his own. And, because of the enemies he has made, he is very unlikely to be greeted by friends in prison. He might become the first motorcycle outlaw in the history of motorcycle outlaws to do his time in protective custody. If, that is, he does his time.

If Cavazos does his time he will not be able to return to his club because it is no longer his club. They are no longer his brothers. Right now Cavazos might get turned down by HOG. He has burned so many bridges behind him that it might be a good idea for Cavazos if he just stays away from all motorcyclists everywhere forever.

Doc Cavazos, however, is not completely painted into a corner. He has repeatedly demonstrated a real actual talent for self promotion. He has a book out. He has been on TV. He has a most excellent, Beverly Hills agent. He is printed by a leading publisher. He is not shy. He seems confidant that he can pull anything off. All of which brings to mind another famous piece of Federal property.

Sammy The Bull Gravano

Sammy “the Bull” Gravano was a tough guy’s tough guy. He was plain spoken, taciturn and camera shy. He was a business man, a family man and a ladies man. He had the blood of a couple of dozen other tough guys on his hands. Nobody ever thought Sonny Gravano would flip. Then he sang like a canary.

So far, nobody has ever exactly accused Cavazos of being Gravano. But, it is an absolute certainty that if “Doc” Cavazos flips, the Mongols Motorcycle Club is toast.

You see this. This morning, everyone sees this.

One hand weighs the rest of a life in a really crappy prison on constant guard from the contracts that have been placed on one’s head by La Eme, the Brand and the BGF. The other hand weighs four or five years in a mediocre motel room on an Army base followed by a new beginning in, oh say, Ka’u, under the shadow of the volcano on the Big Island. Or, worst case, a little fishing village in Alaska.

You see this. And, if you see this the Federales see this. The Feds saw this coming months ago.

Operation Black Rain

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is the Federal law enforcement agency that investigates outlaw motorcycle clubs. Over the last decade, the ATF has carried out largely unfruitful infiltrations of the Vagos in Los Angeles, the Sons of Silence in Colorado and the Hells Angels in Arizona.

The ATF has also infiltrated the Mongols once before. The “Under and Alone” undercover agent that time was a man named Billy Queen, whom it is rumored, will be portrayed by Mel Gibson in a forthcoming movie.

It is not certain but it is possible that the ATF learned something from all its previous failures.

The evidence with which the Department of Justice will attempt to prosecute the Mongols Motorcycle Club was gathered by eight ATF agents and four snitches, or cooperating witnesses. Four of the ATF agents prospected and patched with the Mongols. Four Female agents impersonated their old ladies. Additionally, it appears that most of the Mongols’ cell phones were tapped.

RICO

The Feds are prosecuting the Mongols under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO.) RICO was enacted as part of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970. It was written to ease the prosecution of organized crime bosses who might carry out a discernible pattern of criminal activity through subordinates while they actually committed no criminal act themselves.

The acronym RICO was contrived as a reference to the classic Edward G. Robinson gangster film Little Caesar. The film was intended to portray Al Capone and the Capone-like crime boss played by Robinson in that film called himself Rico.

RICO works best against associations that are organized into a hierarchy that can be drawn as a pyramid. In a perfect RICO case, a clear connection can be shown between a leader or leaders at the top of the pyramid and followers at the bottom of the pyramid.

And, it is the absence of this clearly discernible, highly organized structure that has made it virtually impossible to prosecute motorcycle clubs under the RICO statute.

In United States v. Barger in 1979 the Department of Justice unsuccessfully prosecuted several members of the Oakland Charter of the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club using RICO. But all the jurors could see was a motorcycle club that had some criminals for members. And the RICO case fell apart.

The Mongols And Rico

The problem the Mongols have right now is that Ruben “Doc” Cavazos was clearly in charge. And, on top of that, the Mongols have already voted that Cavazos was running the club for his own profit. There have even been allegations that Cavazos was pocketing each new member’s $500 prospecting fee.

And, Cavazos was apparently not declaring any of this on his income tax. One of the charges in the indictment is money laundering.

So all of this might actually look like a fairly well defined, top to bottom, pyramid shaped crime organization to a jury of good, straight citizens. It could be.

The federal indictment alleges that the Mongols were a “criminal enterprise…involved in a wide range of criminal activity including murder, hate crimes against African-Americans, assaults, firearms violations and narcotics trafficking.”

Making Sense Of The Indictment

This is a 177 page indictment that attempts to throw everything down to and including the kitchen sink at the Mongols. The crimes, or “overt acts,” enumerated in the indictment fall into the following categories:

* Minor drug and firearms crimes;
* crimes that will seem particularly egregious and offensive to jurors;
* major drug crimes;
* murders and attempted murders;
* and crimes committed by Doc Cavazos, his son “Little Rubes” Cavazos and a few close associates to expand, enhance and enrich a Cavazos criminal organization.

Minor Drug And Firearms Offenses

Small drug and gun offenses comprise most of the indictment. For example:

“On November 17, 2005, defendant William ‘Moreno” Ramirez is alleged to have possessed a .22 caliber rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun, an M-1 carbine .30 caliber rifle, a .45 caliber handgun, a .38 caliber revolver, ammunition, and numerous articles of clothing that identified his membership in the Mongols gang, at a residence in Montebello, California.”

And, again:

“On October 21, 2005, by telephone using coded language, defendant Jorge Viramontes arranged to sell approximately 28 grams of cocaine and 14 grams of methamphetamine to an undercover law enforcement officer.”

Crimes That Will Offend Jurors

Prosecutors can’t wait to tell jurors a few allegations that include:

“On October 9, 2005, multiple Mongols members, riding in a pack of motorcycles and wearing Mongols riding vests, attacked motorists on the highway near Palm Springs, California, by using their motorcycles to ‘trap’ the vehicles between them while a Mongol attempted to stab the motorists with a knife.”

Oh no! The Mongols tried to stab Grandma on her way to her golf game!

And, since there is a good chance that the jury that decides this case may include a black face or two, there are also several allegations like the following:

“On December 10, 2006, defendants Shawn Buss, Robert Vincent Rios, Abram Wedig and Joseph Braden attacked and beat an African-American patron at the Tokio Lounge in Hollywood, California, while shouting racist slurs at the victim.”

Major Drug Crimes

The amount of the drugs stated in a couple of the charges obviously exceeds the usual amount consumed by average recreational users.

“On September 18, 2007, in San Bernardino, California, defendants Rafael Lozano, Harold Reynolds and Ismael Padilla and an unindicted co-conspirator armed themselves with firearms and arranged to purchase 33 kilograms of cocaine with an undercover law enforcement officer and a confidential government informant.”

Needless to say, 33 keys is a phrase that wakes up jurors.

Murders And Attempted Murders

All together, the government is alleging dozens of counts homicide and attempted homicide and the indictment hints that additional counts may be prosecuted in state court.

“On February 14, 2007, defendants Norberto Jose Montes and Austin Melcer beat L.H. to death at ‘Young’s Tavern’ in Lancaster, California.”

And again:

“On or about April 8, 2007, in Los Angeles County, within the Central District of California, defendant Denis Maldonado willfully, deliberately, and with premeditation, unlawfully attempted to kill with malice aforethought M.G. and Z.S.”

Ruben Doc Cavazos

Doc Cavazos is portrayed in the indictment as being the mastermind behind an almost purely criminal organization. The specifics are too numerous to even adequately sample here. But, almost at random, the charges include the following.

In the General Allegations of the indictment Cavazos is alleged to:

* “negotiate with Mexican Mafia representatives concerning the collection of “tax” payments for the narcotics trafficking activities of Mongols members in areas otherwise controlled by the Mexican Mafia.”

* “direct Mongols members to travel to different locations and commit acts of violence, including murder, against rival gang members, law enforcement or other persons who would challenge the authority of the Mongols criminal enterprise.” And,

* “conduct financial transactions to conceal the proceeds derived from the crimes of the organization and convert those proceeds to promote the crimes of the Mongols and enrich themselves.”

Most perilous for the former Mongols president is that the government seems to have multiple witnesses who will testify that Cavazos ran an aggressive, for profit, criminal enterprise across state line and national borders.

While his phone was being tapped Cavazos “advised approximately 200 members that Mongols should be alert to the possibility of wiretap monitoring by federal law enforcement agents and should be careful not to discuss incriminating matters on the telephone, and Cavazos also discussed criminal investigations conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, as well as the risk to the Mongols of prosecution for its racketeering crimes.”

In April, 2006 “Cavazos addressed a Mongols ‘All Members’ Meeting in Baja, Mexico, and advised members that the Mongols would ‘exterminate’ the ‘rats’ who had provided incriminating information about (him) to law enforcement.”

In July, 2007 Cavazos “and others conducted a Mongols ‘Presidents and Sergeant-at-Arms’ meeting in Los Angeles County, California, and Cavazos told members that they needed to demonstrate the ‘strength and muscle’ of the Mongols and described the expansion of the Mongols gang into other states across the nation, and Cavazos discussed the need to use violence to expand the authority of the Mongols into new areas not previously controlled by the Mongols.”

What Do You Think

Do you think it might just be possible that the Feds have some of this on audio tape? Is it possible that they might have this on video?

“On February 5, 2008, by telephone using coded language, defendants Cavazos and William Michael Munz discussed the Mongols’ conflicts with the Mexican Mafia based on the Mongols’ refusal to pay ‘taxes’ to ‘La Eme’ for their narcotics trafficking and the consequences of Mongols members entering protective custody while in prison.”

Protective custody?

But Wait There’s More

“On March 11, 2008, by telephone, defendant Cavazos discussed preparing a story on the Mongols with a news reporter, and Cavazos told the reporter that he could provide specific details about a Mongols murder committed at a tattoo shop and involving the Mexican Mafia, including information about the planning and preparation for the murder.”

With a news reporter!? He talked about a murder with a reporter!?

“On July 24, 2008, by telephone using coded language, defendant Hector Gonzalez told a confidential government informant that he delivered approximately $15,000 to $17,000 in United States currency from Mongols chapters every month to defendants Cavazos and Ruben Cavazos, Jr.; that Cavazos had directed him to

destroy the records of collecting the funds; and that the funds collected were now missing.”

Fifteen thousand to $17,000 every month. What are the chances a jury will determine that the Mongols were a for-profit criminal enterprise?

Life Is Full Of Hard Choices

In The Friends of Eddie Coyle by the late George V. Higgins, a gun runner named Jackie Brown speaks the nine truest words every imagined in the English language: “Life is hard. But it’s harder when you’re stupid.”

With all due respect to Ruben Cavazos, his Beverly Hills agent, his publisher and any admirers he may still have, with all due and sincere respect to present and former members of the Mongols Motorcycle Club, your club and your former president seemed to have behaved really stupidly.

Maybe the Feds don’t have a case. Maybe they are just making all this up.

But also, just maybe, at this very moment, Ruben “Doc” Cavazos is sitting alone in a cell at FCI Terminal Island in Long Beach, in protective custody, weighing something invisible in his hands. Moving whatever it is from hand to hand. Maybe what he has in one hand is the weight of a soul and in the other hand he holds the weight of a last chance at a life. Which is more? Which weighs more?

And at this same moment, 20 miles north of Terminal Island prison, in the Federal Building in Westwood, a committee of lawyers and politicians are weighing something, too. And, what they are weighing is even lighter than a man’s destiny.

They are weighing what will be the most important question of their precious government careers. They are weighing the question among themselves. They are asking, “Who do we want more? The Mongols Motorcycle Club or Doc Cavazos?”

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82 Comments For This Post

  1. Mike Harmon Says:

    A friend of mine just emailed me one of your articles from a while back. I read that one a few more. Really enjoy your blog. Thanks

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  3. the slickster Says:

    I have no sad feelings for this wanna be Doc.he is the biggest fool for takeing on the biggest,baddest,toughest,meanest, most feared,and respected motercycle club in the world! let alone the mexican mafia.if you check the mongols web site you can see how they scrambled to snuggle up to other hells angels foes.and recruiting brainless street gang bangers into there club that have never even owned or road a harley in thier street crime filled live’s.bikers are not made they are born!abuot 18 years ago my best friend and fellow harley rider joined up with the mongols.well prior to turning into an outlaw biker he was an urban cowboy prior to that he was into the disco scene real heavy ala John Travolta style.with his gift of gab he became a chapter presedent.then one day sold his bike and went off into the sunset.once by accident i crashed a few beers with these guys and discovered they were just cholos on harleys.well Doc is gonna get whats comeing to him for turning on his “brothers” and club ripoffs.not to mention the chaos wars he started.

  4. yogiloko Says:

    The MONGOLS laid it down for all the rest of the bikers that were intimidated and harrased by the ever present Hells Angels. The H.A.’s thought they had the sole right to wear California on the bottom rocker. The Monglos took that right for themselves as well and earned it through hard work and determination. Standing up to the Pre-eminent outlaw biker club in the world and carving out a little chunk of turf for themselves within Southern California. Quite a feat for a group of guys from montebello. Let it be a lesson for all future bikers and MC’s earn your respect and be recognized as leaders. They have earned the right to be mentioned in the same breath the H.A.’s as they are inextricably linked together forever through their battles and wars. As for Doc, if he has it coming he will get it for sure, regardless if he’s in PC or not. If he rats he’s dead period the feds can hide him but I bet my bottom dollar he’ll resurface because he loves the spotlight. As for the other guy that claims that the Mongols are all just a bunch of “cholos”…. La Eme is a bunch of cholos and they own california. As we age we become involved in other things other than our nieghborhoods. We represent the barrio, then go to the joint and represent the South, then some become involved in the Mafia, others go onto the Biker lifestyle. But we all started out on the streets of the barrio.

  5. NOT IMPRESSED Says:

    SURE DOC’S GOING TO PLAY SAVE ASS, IT IS HIS NATURE, BUT PEOPLE AND POTENTIAL JURORS DON’T FORGET, NOT ALL OF THE MONGOLS ARE A PART OF THIS DOCS ENTERPRISE, AND NOT ALL ARE DOING ANYTHING BUT BEING PART OF A MOTORCYLE CLUB.THERE ARE BAD IN ALL AS WELL AS INNOCENT PEOPLE HERE TOO,SURE THIS DOC TURNED IT UPSIDE DOWN BUT YOU HAVE TO ALSO SEE THE ONES WHO TRY TO KEEP IT UPRIGHT AND ARE NO WAY JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE A MEMBER THAT THEY ARE GUILTY OF WHATEVER HE AND A FEW OTHERS ARE ACCUSED OF,I KNOW A FEW OF THESE GUYS AND THEY ARE NOT AS BAD AS THE PRESS MAKES THEM OUT TO BE, YOU CAN’T HELP WHAT SOME DO YOU CAN ONLY TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER,AND AS FAR AS THE STREET GANG MEMBERS DOC BROUGHT IN TO USE AS HIS PERSONAL ARMY THE REAL BIKERS IN THIS CLUB HAD NO RESPECT FOR THEM,BUT WHY SHOULD THEY QUIT BECAUSE THEY ARE UNHAPPY?IT TAKES MORE GUTS TO STAY AND DO WHAT YOU CAN TO PUT IT HBACK TO A CLUB THAN TO TUCK TAIL AND JUST HAND IT OVER TO BE TORN APART BY THE LIKES OF THIS DOC GUY, AND THAT GOES FOR ANY CLUB NO MATTER WHICH ONE IT IS,TAKING THE NAME OF THIS CLUB AND IT’S LOGOS WILL NOT STOP WHAT IT HAS IN BROTHERHOOD,THEY WILL MORE THAN LIKELY CHANGE THE NAME AND MOVE ON LEAVING THIS DOC AND HIS CRONIES TO WHATEVER FATE THEY HAVE EARNED.

  6. Dag Says:

    i dont usually comment, but after reading through so much info i had to say thanks

  7. hunting clothes Says:

    I wanted to comment and thank the author, good stuff

  8. Grant Hugh Says:

    There should be more content on this

  9. Florence Italy Says:

    is there a section that outlines events going on in the area?

  10. NZ662 Says:

    i watched that Ganglands Doco i reckin that kunt acts so humble but stir8 away u can no that hes shady has hes pretty much fucked i would hate to be him

  11. Doc Jones Says:

    It seems to me that if Cavazos is a tough guy with the club then he will be a tough guy on his own and not turn rat. When you decide to live a certain lifestyle with the possibility of being sent to prison and if you get busted you hold your mud. Period!! If you have made enemies along the way and choose to be placed in PC, well, that says a lot about what kind of man you are. Once you PC you are always a punk. There are clubs that have been around a long time and they remain true and pure tramps. They don’t require fancy houses or whatever else. They are brothers and they hold their mud at all times. The Mongols were like that at one time. I hope they can find the true spirit of being tramps again.

  12. Rebel Says:

    Dear Doc Jones–

    Ruben “Doc” Cavazos is a tough guy. Five a a half months after being locked up, I don’t think anybody has flipped. I am sure they all, including Cavazos, have been pressured to make a deal. As far as I can tell, so far everybody is standing tall. One guy made a plea and sentencing agreement but I don’t know that he was ratting anybody out. He was probably just copping a plea. More than that, it doesn’t look like anybody is going to flip. This is usually the time, about six months after all the television stories, when these ATF cases start to fall apart.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  13. Doc Jones Says:

    Hey Rebel,
    Thanks for your comment. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

  14. M. Malone Says:

    “Doc” is Fucked. He has the vastly superior forces of the Hell’s Angels looking to take him out, along with the rest of the Mongols. He has the Mexicans Mafia pissed at him and worried that he might turn informant He has the Black Guerilla Family pissed that his club was known to attack innocent blacks on the outseide…and worst of all you have the Aryan Brotherhood sitting in the wings waiting to to pick up a contract on his miserable life from any one of the aformentioned groups. Doc may have been a tuff guy when he had 30 other Mongols around him, but now he is all alone, just like a scared little bunny, waiting for the wolves to come out and eat:)

  15. johnn four fingers Says:

    doc isnt a tough guy or he would be an angel the mexican mafia dont own cali i do ha ha eme is goin down so are the mongirls 81forever

  16. Florence Italy Says:

    Look forward to reading more from you in the future,keep up the good work.

  17. Florence Italy Shopping Says:

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  18. Florence Italy Says:

    Very nice information. Thanks for this.

  19. Florence Italy Says:

    I really liked your blog!

  20. BBody Says:

    I’ve met a few Mongols from time to time and the oddest thing is I never see them on bikes. I just read Cavazos book and everytime they go anywhere they go by car. Either a van or a rental.That aint a M/C, they don’t ride. He just increaed the “club” with former gang members. 81! RED AND WHITE FOREVER!

  21. Jim Benson Says:

    It is all so confusing.. Hate, hate , hate…. I find some of the Facts in this story a little tough to believe.. “81 forever”

  22. WOLFGANG HITLER Says:

    First off let me tell you one thing that is for certainThe wetback mexican mafia doesn’t own shit. The Mongols are insecure kids that never grew up. Anyone who believes any of that playground ” I am a tough guy” shit needs a education on integrity, honor and respect. AFFA 81 all the way.

  23. M. Malone Says:

    Cavazos will turn lile a friggen tumbleweed, he is a wuss. The guy was lucky the Hell’s Angels didn’t snuff his ass. They have already taken out a senior Mongel is response to their brother who got killed by that Mongol coward in Frisco, and the Mongols are now running scared from the feds and the HA’s. In addition the Mexican Mafia is looking to take out Cavazos and the Black Guerilla Family has a hit out on him as well. The Aryan Brotherhood could pick up a contract on him by the HA’s or the La Eme for the right price…so he has to worry about them as well. The guy is screwed, he will flip. As for the Mongols, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Hell’s Angels start taking over their terrirtory and pretty soon the mongols will be either gone or a miner club and the HA’s will be the sole rulers of CA north and south:)

  24. Doc Jones Says:

    It looks like Cavazos along with a few others have indeed flipped. I noticed on the Mongol website that they have a chapter in Oakland. That might not be a good idea. The Angels are still a force to be taken seriously and they will not tolerate any continued invasion of mongols. They are lucky to have gotten as far as they have. Now, things are coming to an end. The tough guys are punking out. Anyone can be tough when they have an army behind them. The real tough guys stand up with or without their brothers. During my past life of crime there were times when I thought I was the only one who never ratted. I may not be able to kick ass like some of the others but I have always held my mud. I also never went to PC when I was in the pen. I’ve also kicked some ass in my time but that wasn’t a big deal. A lot of people kick ass. The thing that makes a man is to kick ass or take an ass whipping but YOU NEVER RAT, PERIOD. YOU ALSO NEVER ALLOW THEM TO PUT YOU IN PC. This whole bust has now become disgusting!!

  25. Rebel Says:

    Dear Doc Jones,

    You are preaching to the choir, partner. Please see Monster Mongolian Flip Fest on page one.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  26. Doc Jones Says:

    Thanks Rebel. I left a message on that site. The one’s including Cavazos who turned rat are junk parts for sure. Thanks again.

  27. Riding Dirty Says:

    Orale, let’s keep this sh** real. Whether this vato put rat or not is only a small portion of the issue. I’m looking at it from a whole different point of view. Check it, the vato did his brothers dirty, period end of story. In my world you do your carnales wrong you’re through. Ain’t no lets see if he talks or any of that mierda. If you’re no good, fu*k it, you’re no good! So Doc do whatever you do, run the race cuz it don’t matter if you’re guilty or not. La mera neta, you betrayed the brothers and you don’t pull that crap with familia. But what the hell would you know about that. You definetly have yours coming…trucha

    H.A SUPPORTER
    RED & WHITE FOREVER “81”

  28. Geezey Says:

    Mongols Would of bein a great club to ride with forget the fighting
    i reckin fight if you hsve to dont course the trouble Doc Killed a
    great club what a dumb kunt if they started in New Zealand id be the
    1st to join

  29. AndrewBoldman Says:

    Great post! Just wanted to let you know you have a new subscriber- me!

  30. Tony Says:

    Anyone got any info about Doc flipping, or is this just speculatiion??? Anyone got any c\ontacts in the joint??

  31. Tony Says:

    If Doc really has flipped he will have a very hard time hiding. The man is an ego-maniac!!!! His face was all over Gangland…TWICE!!!!!! And he is so in-love with himself,he can’t possibly keep his mouth shut or not commit a felony. Doc is in a very bad situation.

  32. Vespa lover Says:

    Doc is going to have a very hard time hiding amongst law-abiding america. He is so in love with himself it is sick. Doc will blow his cover like the idiot he is and end up dead.

    “OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN WE ONCE DECEIVE”

  33. yo Says:

    Sorry to inform the HA suporters but the Mongols are still holding strong. I saw a huge gathering today in Temple City and there were at least 15 guys standing strong being body guards out front. MFFM supporter…..

  34. JUST A BIKER Says:

    WHAT I FIND SO FUNNY IS ALL THE TOUGH TALK..PUTTING PEOPLE’S BUISSNESS OUT ON THE WEB…ARYAN BROTHER HOOD ACCEPTTING A HIT FROM A GROUP OF PEOPLE…THAT IS STUPID TO EVEN MAKE REFFERENCE TO..LIFE IS HARD BUT HARDER WHEN YOUR STUPID THAT IS A PERFECT SAYING..

    NOW AS FOR THE MONGOLS BEING DONE AND OVER WITH..TRUST AND BELEAVE ME IF THE GOVERNMANT IS ALLOWED TO KEEP THE MONGOL PATCH..THEN ALL YOU TOUGH GUYS OUT THERE BETTER LOOK OUT CAUSE THEY WILL COME FOR YOUR PATCH AS WELL..

    I ALSO GET A KICK OUT OF PEOPLE CALLING THE MAN WHO KILLED THE H.A. PATCH IN FRISCO A COWARD BUT ISN’T FUNNY HOW THEY THE H.A. SUPPORTERS AND SO DON’T MENTION THE COWARDLY ACTS THEY HAVE COMMITTED OVER THE YEARS..LIKE SEPT 5, 1977 WHEN THE HELLS ANGELS SHOT AND KILLED TO MONGOLOS RIDING HOME AND IN THE PROCESS SHOT THE TWO WOMEN THEY HAD WITH THEM..AND THEN EXPLODING A CAR AT THEIR FUNERAL…

    THE LIST GOES ON, ON BOTH SIDES….

    THE SAD THING IS THIS A REALLY COOL WEBSITE THAT SHOULD BE USED TO FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS AND SPEAK OUT NOT POINT FINGERS AND ACCUSE PEOPLE OF THIS OR THAT…

    I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MONGOLS ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE…FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS THEY HAVE OWENED THE HIGHWAYS AND THE BY WAYS…RIDING FREE AND ENJOING THE OPEN ROAD AND IF ALL THE BIKERS IN THE WORLD EVERYONE FROM HOG RIDERS TO YOUR 1% CLUBS TO THE OLD GUY ON A MOPED WOULD PULL THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR ASS AND JOIN TOGETHER INSTEAD OF FIGHTING OVER TERRITORY THAT DOSE NOT BELONG TO THEM..THEN MAY-BE JUST MAY-BE THE FEDS WOULD NOT HAVE THE AMMO TO CALL US ALL GANGS AND PUT OUR BROTHERS IN PRISON AND PUT THEIR WIVES AND KIDS OUT ON THE STREET…

    A WISE MAN ONCE SAID IF ALL COMBINED FORCES WE COULD PUT THE PRESIDENT OF OUR CHOICE IN TO OFFICE BY VOTING AND SPEAKING UP…

    SO TIME TO GROW UP EVERYONE THE 60’S AND 70’S ARE OVER…

  35. Rebel Says:

    Dear Just A Biker,

    Sorry if I have disappointed you. I’ll try to do better the next time.

    I am fairly informed about the Mongol’s case and it sure looks to me like the DOJ is going to make the RICO stick. If the RICO sticks the patch is history.

    The black and white might stay together and form a new club with a similar name and the same remaining guys but there will have to be a new patch and a new set of bylaws and so on.

    This is an astonishing thing, I think. I told another guy on here that I think this is the perfect shit storm. It is going to get uglier. No offense intended. No disrespect intended.

    The Mongols Motorcycle Club made numerous mistakes. Roger Pinney said Ruben Cavazos “was out for himself and not the brotherhood of the club.” Blame it on that.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  36. FatBobber Says:

    Whew….fifteen you say! That’s a regular war party.

  37. Joseph S Says:

    Dear Rebel,
    How dare you refer to me as “another guy”!!!

    Joseph S

  38. Rebel Says:

    Dear Joseph,

    How you doing?

    your pal,
    Rebel

  39. Joseph S Says:

    Doing well,getting better!!!!!!!

  40. FatBobber Says:

    Rebel,

    You’ve said it clearly and the truth can hurt sometimes.

    As for the Mongols owning the roads, I think that was probably never the case unless you count the numerous crash-cars they drove. When they hitched their wagon to street-punks and handed out their colors to MM members that couldn’t even ride a motorcycle (much less think of stealing one) well, then they crossed over from MC to gang territory in fed books. The multitude of other mistakes they made was just icing on the cake for the Feds. Easy pickings for less than spectacular B’Fifes really.

    I predict they’ll head to some of their Vago buddies and then bottom rocker the club (lose that less than scary SoCal rocker). Maybe they’ll adopt a new set of colors, who knows? I think Pepe Le’ Pew is trademarked, but there’s lots of black and white cartoon characters that are at least as literate as Ghengis Khan. How about the Madagascar Penguins?
    Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh…to bright. Not Felix the Cat though…please, some things
    are sacred and he predates the Disney Rat!

  41. Big Tiny Says:

    Alot of the stuff they say about these guys is not true, I was locked up with about 20 of them for about 5 months in downtown LA, very nice guys to me.

  42. Rebel Says:

    Dear FatBobber,

    It is just astonishing to me that any major club should blow up like this. I was telling a guy yesterday that I didn’t think it was so much a matter of the ATF getting the Mongols as of the ATF seizing an opportunity. Last year, when I heard Doc Cavazos had published his memoirs, I thought, “Oh this isn’t good. This is kind of stupid. Is he trying to be Sonny Barger?”

    Then three or four months later I saw him again on “Gangland,” sniffing and rolling his shoulders like an old boxer, and he was bragging, and I just felt embarrassed. I didn’t even want to watch.

    Then, I thought, “Well, apparently he is getting away with it. He must know something I don’t know. Shit, you know, I’m not president of any club. He is.”

    Well, it turns out nobody was getting away with anything.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  43. Rebel Says:

    Dear Big Tiny,

    I have said it many times. The most polite men I have ever met are motorcycle outlaws. Certainly, way more polite than cops.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  44. JUST A BIKER Says:

    DEAR FAT BOBBER,

    YOUR REPLY TO MY LATEST POST IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT..

    CHILDISH,IGNORANT,SAME OL BULLSHIT LIKE YOUR POST IS WHAT THE ATF LIVES FOR IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM OUT TO BE HEROS KEEP TALKING…

    THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS YOU ARE PROBABLY NOT EVEN PART OF A CLUB YOU ARE PROBABLY SOME FAT BASTARD WHO BOUGHT HIS BIKE WITH A CREDIT CARD..AND RIDES ONLY WHEN THE WEATHER IS JUST RIGHT…

    NOW THAT I HAVE LOWERED MY SELF TO YOUR SHORT AND RATHER ABSENT MENTALITY..

    REBEL THANK YOU FOR THIS FORUM AND THE ABILITY TO VOICE OPINIONS FOR THE REST OF YOU WHO ARE WATCHING GANGLAND AND READING PAPERS REMEMBER THE NEWS AND TV ARE MADE AND WRITTEN FOR SALES AND RATINGS NOT THE TRUTH..

    THE MONGOLS DID MAKE THE MISTAKE IN APPOINTING A PIECE OF SHIT INTO OFFICE AND HE ALMOST DESTROYED THE CLUB..BUT THE TRUE BLUE BROTHERS OF THE MONGOLS AND TRUE BIKERS ARE STILL HERE AND STRONG…

    WE WILL NOT BE BEATEN OR PUSHED AWAY..MANY HAVE TRIED AND THEY HAVE FAILED…

    OH ONE MORE THING FATBOBBER THE MONGOLS WERE NOT THE ONLY CLUB TO MAKE MISTAKES AND ALLOW FEDS TO BECOME PATCH HOLDERS EVERY MAJOR CLUB HAS BEEN A VICTIM OF THIS FROM MONGOLS TO VAGOS TO YES EVEN YOUR MIGHTY HELLS ANGELS HAVE BEEN NEARLY TAKEN DOWN BY THE FEDS..SO YOU CAN’T JUST POINT THE FINGER BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE UNTIL YOU HAVE WORN THE PATCH AND LIVED THE LIFE SHUT THE FUCK UP

    SORRY TO EVERYONE ELSE FOR TAKING UP SPACE ON THIS FOR AN IDIOT..

    JUST A BIKER

  45. Big Tiny Says:

    Hey just a biker, any ideal on how to reach Big Joe, or Target? Also wondering if Grande, or Monk or Monster has gotten Bail.

  46. Rebel Says:

    Dear Just A Biker,

    Thanks for reading. Thanks for commenting. Still a democracy in here. Everybody gets to say anything they want to say. Except death threats. Little legal issue there. Death threats directed at me can be sent to the email address and I will get back to you.

    your pal,
    rebel

  47. Rebel Says:

    Sorry about that Junni,

    Little accident. I recovered your comments and they are here.

    Rebel

    junni
    mika1968@jippii.fi | 80.222.242.22

    Hi everybody! I looking yours messages and rebel and many mores says right.

    If You recpect Your brother, and You Brother recpect You, and this brother is your really Brother, you can´t sleep well.

    Sorry, my oun language is not english, But I understund this fight winners.. Winners is, surprise, HE and Mexico Mafia.. That´s why Mongoliers can´t playing in area..

    From Will Doc Cavazos Flip, 2009/06/11 at 12:09 PM
    2009/06/11 Approve | Unapprove | Spam | Delete

    junni
    mika1968@jippii.fi | 80.222.242.22

    I looking TV document Doc Cavazos and Mc Mongols history in here Scandinavia, Finland in Europe.
    Old Precident say:”Doc is politic, not really brotherhood”.. Man not can´t understund how right is it. I looking this document and I think same.

    Really Brother not take that. Same, if you are gangbrother, or normal brother in home. Brother first.

    From Will Doc Cavazos Flip, 2009/06/11 at 11:19 AM

  48. JUST A BIKER Says:

    BIG TINY,

    I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE….

  49. FTF Says:

    What’s up Big Tiny? Your looking for some Brothers? What unit were you in?

    Past that, I’d just like to comment on all of this shit. The Feds can cook up whatever they want to get an indictment, and they turn a piece of shit and commute his sentence, pay him and a few others a lot of money to say what they want. That’s the recipe for an instant indictment. They throw out a net, catch as many fish as possible, some turn, others hold their mud. It is what it is.

    FTF

  50. Joe Says:

    Rebel, great page!! you dont think Doc has filpped? I ask this because if you go on the BOP.GOV inmate locator, Doc dont exist!!! PC? WITSEC??

    Joe

  51. Rebel Says:

    Dear Joe,

    Ruben “Doc” Cavazos is not in the BOP Locator because he is not in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons. He is in the custody of the Federal Court for the Central District of California. His custody may have been relinquished to the United States Marshalls Service because he is a “high profile” prisoner.

    I know what you want to hear, okay.

    Almost eight months ago, I raised the question on this site, “Will Doc Cavazos Flip?” I still do not know. I know Doc Cavazos was the President of a major motorcycle club. I have always considered the Mongols to be serious guys. Cavazos was the President of the Mongols. And, I also think that if Doc Cavazos goes to Hell it will be for the sin of pride and not for cowardice.

    I am pretty sure he has heard, “Come on, Why don’t you help me help you?”

    But, I do not know that his reply was not, “Fuck you, you fucking cop asshole fuck!”

    I don’t know. I don’t have my own spy satellite.

    This whole case may be about putting Doc Cavazos on death row. I think it is about something bigger than that, personally, but it is somewhere between possible and probable that when this trial starts, if it ever starts, Doc Cavazos will be standing there in belly cuffs and leg irons; rolling his shoulders, tossing his head back and sniffing proudly.

    If Doc does flip let me just warn you that you will not hear about it here first. A United States Attorney will call a trustworthy reporter at the Los Angeles Times and that guy will break the news. He will win a journalism prize for it, too. He will get a book deal. He will pen, as they say in Variety, the movie script. He will become rich. He will be linked romantically to Denise Richards. That is the guy who will break the news if Doc flips.

    Not me, I am sorry to say. I am too stupid to know how to be that other guy. But, I do have a more interesting life. Except for the Denise Richards part.

    Okay? Answer your question? Check the BOP Locator again in, maybe, February 2010.

    Your pal,
    Rebel

  52. Joe Says:

    hahhaaha thats some good shit!! I think he has already flipped!! LOL

  53. pretjah Says:

    i have to say, as a person who has ZERO ties to any party involved and doesn’t have even the smallest idea as what is true or not, this story is better than anything hollywood could ever write.

    of course i’m sure in a few years when it’s all over with and many variations of the “truth” have come out we will see will smith playing a mongol or an ATF agent in a summer block buster

  54. Rebel Says:

    Dear Pretjah,

    The government has seized the Mongols patch and trademark and under copyright law, the government must make some commercial use of the patch in order to retain rights to it. Personally, I think they will rent the patch and trademarked name, “Mongols,” to the movies.

    For example, Mel Gibson’s production company, Icon, owns the rights to Billy Queen’s book about the Mongols. Now Gibson can make the movie and use the real, actual Mongols patch.

    In the Fox television drama, Sons of Anarchy, the role of the Mongols is portrayed by a fictional club called the Mayans. Well, now the Sons of Anarchy can go to war on television with the real Mongols! Wearing real, actual Mongols patches leased from the Justice Department!

    You know what Pontius Pilate said about truth? He said Quid Veritas? “Truth? What is truth?” Pilate won in the short term. Whether the Mongols Motorcycle Club will be remembered 300 years from now or not, I do not know.

    Thanks for reading.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  55. pretjah Says:

    Rebel…no bro thank you man…i’m checking out your site daily trying to get my fix on what’s happening with this case.

  56. Quid est Veritas Says:

    Pilate was no John Chiccione. Doc Cavazos is no messiah. I disagree with your assesment that Doc is tough.

    Hitler was not tough. He was effective but lacked personal courage. The man who gave the world meth amphetamine, shot himself. Not in the foot either.

    In the end, Cavazos likley will not rat unless he can give up some crooked LEO. He will not rat, but not because of loyalty or courage or honor. What motivates him is vanity. He beleived he WAS the Mongols, maybe he still does.

    If he can curry favor by a plea bargain, that is more his style I think.

  57. Rebel Says:

    Dear Quid,

    I hear you. Do you know what a gallows speech is? In England, when there were public hangings, the condemned used to compete to see who could give the most amusing farewell to all of this. And, then they would die. I think Doc might be preparing his gallows speech. Or maybe he is looking for a way out.

    I will tell you this. Old Doc sure is deep under cover in this legal proceeding. Doc and Lil Rubes and Al the Suit. Lil Rubes had a meeting with the judge out of hearing of the prosecution, as they say, back in the middle of February. Pretty quiet since then.

    I am not going to hang any of them out to dry until I have a smoking gun. Just courtesy, you know. I got some fucking moron on this site right at this minute who is telling everybody I am a cop.
    I don’t like that. If I was Doc and I had been renditioned to Guantanamo or wherever he is, I wouldn’t want some fucking guy named Rebel calling me a rat unless he knew for sure.

    I don’t know for sure. Kind of seems logical but I do not know. For sure.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  58. 5150 Says:

    So there saying they want to keep all brothers locked up, Have there ol’ ladys and children become homeless due to there abscent father. Is this why I cant get a job. Ive been looking now for over ayear. I KNOW I am very knowledgable in what I do. Am always praised by the employer on how impressed they are from my experience. But for some reason they get my backround check and I never hear back from them. Or I just get BS excuses… Any other ol lady’s having this problem? How much longer till i can get a Damn job!!

  59. Doc Jones Says:

    Hey Rebel,
    I think the way that you are responding to the many postings is right on target. None of us knows what has happened or what is going to happen. As for you being a cop, nobody knows whether you are or aren’t except you. I don’t get the feeling that you are a cop. In fact I would be very surprised if you are. What would you gain from it? NOTHING!! It’s just an insulting comment from a lame!! It does seem that some Mongols have or will turn rat. I know that if I was one of them I would be very concerned. During my past life of crime I saw several tough guys turn rat. They couldn’t hold their mud because they were too self centered and selfish. They looked pretty bad, all buffed and whatever, but when things got hairy they pissed their panties. I’ve done around twelve years and I’m proud to say that I have never ratted. I did what I did and I accepted the consequences like a man should. I didn’t even rat on the guys who ratted on me. What I got in return is that I’m accepted wherever I go even though I am now straight. I’m applying for a certificate of rehabilitation which will allow me to legally own a gun and get a better job. Maybe some of the people responding to this site might want to get their lives together too. I feel much better not breaking the law. I still ride and even ride with a club, not as a supporter or hang around, but as a friend of several members. I’ve had these friends for over 30 years. I have a lot of fun without the responsibilities of being a member. Just thought that maybe someone might want to choose the path that I have taken. Life can be pretty darn good!!

  60. JAMES Says:

    SHAMEFUL MESS, HELL YES DOC WILL FLIP, HE AND HIS SON AND HIS BROTHER,AND FOR ALL YOU 81 SUPPORT, IF YOU HAD ANY IDEA OF A CLUB AND IT’S WORKINGS YOU WOULD BE A MEMBER AND NOT A SUPPORTER SO GROW SOME CODS, YOU SAY THE ANGELS WILL RUN THE MONGOLS OFF, THINK AGAIN, THE FIRST WAR WENT ON FOR 25YRS. AND THEN ENDED IN 1992, THINGS WENT WELL FOR AWHILE THEN BAM 2002 HIT, DOC WAS NOT EVEN A MEMBER UNTILL 1998, AND THE FIRST WAR THERE WERE LESS THAN 100 MONGOLS TOTAL, THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT MADE THE CLUB AND RAN THE 81 OUT OF L.A., THE MONGOLS NEVER FEARED AND NEVER WILL FEAR THE 81 OR ANYONE ELSE, THEY HAVE A STRONGER BROTHERHOOD THAN ANY OF YOU OUTDIDERS WOULD EVER IMAGINE, SURE THERE ARE A FEW ROTTEN APPLES IN EVERY BUNCH BUT THESE ON HERE SAYING THEY FEAR ANYONE NEEDS TO CONFRIONT ONE AND FIND OUT.IT’S A FACT DOC RUINED THIS CLUB BUT I FOE ONE FEEL THE CLUB WILL LIVE ON AND ONLY BECOME STRONGER.

  61. Interested Party Says:

    Former biker gang leader pleads guilty in fed case – July 7, 2009 – California – AP – The former national president of the Mongols motorcycle gang has pleaded guilty to a racketeering conspiracy charge in a case that accused some members of drug trafficking, murder and violent attacks.

    Prosecutors revealed the guilty plea of Ruben “Doc” Cavazos in court papers filed last month. He could face up to 20 years in prison when he is sentenced in Feb.

    A phone message left with Cavazos’ attorney Angel Navarro was not immediately returned Tuesday.

    Prosecutors say Cavazos and other Mongol leaders directed members to engage in murders, extortion, robberies and drug trafficking to bolster the group.

    Some of the 79 members indicted have already pleaded guilty to a variety of charges, but most of the plea agreements are still sealed.

    Article URL: http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_12769582

  62. scooter Says:

    Looks like Doc felt the full weight of the DOJ (and their endless resources), not to mention a possible ride in the hot seat, crashing down on his wide shoulders. Rebel, so good of you to make mention of the absurd shoulder rolling and ridiculous sniffing in his big TV debut. Hysterical! The reason he got nailed, and the reason he will drag dozens, if not hundreds, of people down with him is that he is a hopeless narcissist, as well as an opportunist deluxe. So sad to see him literally deliver a 1% club right into the hands of waiting ATF agents and DOJ prosecutors. The guy went on TV for fuck’s sake! Who
    does this?! I don’t think a high profile media image is great news for a 1% outfit. John Gotti did the same shit and sat in a jail cell while the Gambino family was torn to shreds by state and federal prosecutors. I don’t know what makes a “tough guy” in the world of the hardcore 1%, but showing up on the History Channel, with your own son as your second in command, strikes me as more of business decision than a move to make the Mongols the baddest crew on two wheels.
    And this shit with La Eme is just beyond me. Who worse to start a war with? You will never see active La Eme hierarchy giving interviews on the History Channel. Did Doc lose his mind, or was he just poorly advised? He knows very well that he would not live a week in any state prison anywhere courtsey of La Eme, but a federal prosecution would save him that possibility. His best bet would be in isolation in a federal lock-up, but he won’t go for that. If he plead guilty, then a deal was made. Doc did what he knows how to do: save his own hide. It just seems an incredible waste to see an organization, outlaw or not, that grown men actually laid down their lives for be smashed to pieces. 1% bikers might see the world in terms of top rockers and respect, but outsiders often see it in terms of people that chose to lay down everything they had for their friends, and people they considered their brothers. It just seems a total waste to me that they spend one minute fighting each other, since I am 100% positive that no HA ever served as lead prosecutor in an Outlaw RICO trial, and no Bandido ever committed millions of dollars of taxpayer money to convicting a Mongol. A fundamental cause of every war lost is not knowing who you are fighting.

    SC

  63. Rebel Says:

    Dear Scooter,

    Say what you want about the Teflon Don, Gotti never wrote his memoirs and called than “MY Life As A Gambino,” which is just about what Doc did.
    Thanks for reading.

    Rebel

  64. Not Surprised Says:

    Doc signed away the trademark rights to the Mongols logo. Effective January 2010, all intellectual property, including the right to prosecute “violators”, will belong to the Federal government.

    The ban in effect now was originally slated to be argued in court in an attempt to have it apply only to those named in the indictment. Because of the structure of club hierarchy, RICO allows for the “boss” to have legal recourse to voluntarily forfeit “assets”. “Shotgun Productions”, a shadow corporation, is the legal registered owner of the Mongols logo and the corporate entity of all licensing and marketing of the logo.

    In seeking ownership, the Federal government has the right to impose both civil and criminal actions against copyright infringement, which would include anyone wearing the logo without express consent.

    It would have been an interesting legal battle were it to ever reach a court room. This is now not to be.

    Also, the Federal government will continue to add to its coffers any and all proceeds from continued sales of Doc’s book. In fact, the Federal government will now have total editorial control over movies or television productions, including the power to grant or deny such endeavors.

    There is no law on the books by which this can be made retroactive. All this means is that private ownership of “licensed” material previously obtained, such as “support gear” or publications cannot be interfered with. However, this does NOT aply to articles which bear both the name “Mongols” and the logo if used in a fashion the Federal government may deem as “promotion of a criminal enterprise”.

    This is the absolute end of the “Mongols MC” as it has existed. not the club members themselves, but their public identity.

  65. Rebel Says:

    Dear Not Surprised,

    Yeah. Pretty much. The legal argument comes down to this: Was the Mongols Motorcycle Club like a nightclub or was it more like a congregation. There are a couple of Mongols defense lawyers who seem to get this but I am not sure the guy who is representing Mongols Nation Inc. does.

    The government says the Mongols MC was like a nightclub. So it does not matter whether Doc owned it or not. He was running it. He agrees he was running it. Scores of defendants agree he was running it. So the government has the right to seize it. Whether he actually owned it or not.

    The Corporation lawyer seems determined to prove that Doc does not actually own the club which is kind of fatuous and beside the point. Really, the Mongols best bet here is probably to reach out to the ACLU and try to make this a Second Amendment case.

    My opinion anyway.

    Thanks for commenting.

    Your pal,
    Rebel

  66. lena Says:

    To ‘JUST A BIKER':

    A comment—-

    THE MONGOLS DID MAKE THE MISTAKE IN **APPOINTING** A PIECE OF SHIT INTO OFFICE AND HE ALMOST DESTROYED THE CLUB..BUT THE TRUE BLUE BROTHERS OF THE MONGOLS AND TRUE BIKERS ARE STILL HERE AND STRONG…

    I heard that Ruben appointed himself when the actual Pres was recovering from an injury or something like that….is that true?

  67. raiderchef Says:

    Mongols are dead but “Black and White Nation” have started to appear?? you figure it out!!!!!

  68. Friend of the black and white Says:

    So sad but fuck it move on brother’s of the black and white “the mongels” might be the feds but mongol nation is not. And when shotgun and the crew said fuck you to HA there where only a hand full of brothers back in the old car club times and early lowrider transition.

  69. ShamWowGuy Says:

    Shit! I think the Red and White should get the real members of the Mongols (the few that are left) to patchover and come over for the “Big Win”.

  70. theone Says:

    MONGOLS ARE STILL ALIVE AND KICKING THEY AINT GOING NO WERE THE HA THOUGHT THE MONGOLS WERE DONE AINT SO KEEP SHAKING IN YOUR NIKES.

  71. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    raiderchef;
    Mongols are dead ? Give it a month bro

  72. Not Surprised Says:

    I doubt the Mongols are dead, though it may have appeared that way some while back. I also doubt anyone is shaking in their Nikes. Why stir shit?

  73. solo Says:

    I heard an original mongols vest just sold for $20,000 dollars.

  74. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    sold where ? did you read it on the net or hear it was on ebay

  75. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    original? was that from the start up guy’s

  76. Lawlor Horan Says:

    what would b the ideal beginner’s workout routine for me? 4-5 day routine?

  77. Wolfman Says:

    In todays world with all the bullshit going on out there you have to be careful who you hang with. Since 9/11 most of America will give up their freedoms in order to feel safe. I ride with an all American motorcycle club and not the ones named after hoards,clans,foreign nations,and mayham. We are kind of like the law enforcement motorcycle club called the Choir Boys who are left alone because they are all are legally allowed to pack and wear armor. Be careful out their as the times are a changing.

  78. G PA Says:

    Black & White sylo

  79. Neto Rod 68 Says:

    Regardless of what Doc decides to do, you want to live the life of a gangster, eventually you’re going to get busted. You take whatever comes with the territory on the chin. Doing time is part of being a gangster, you don’t snitch and you take your time like a big boy. No ones saying Doc is not going to do his time, all this publicity has to go away. Doc’s biggest mistake _ he loved the limelight ! He liked it so much, it brought him and the Mongols down ! All you do is get up dust yourself off, and go at it again. The mongols will rise again, I believe that, mexicanos are strong !

  80. Rebel Says:

    Dear Neto Rod,

    I think that more than any weakness in Doc Cavazos’ personality, it was the ATF as an institution, whispering in his ear, giving him Old School and greasing his slide that led to Doc’s downfall. To a large extent, the ATF took over big chunks of Doc’s club. Literally man, the ATF was handing out patches. I know Doc is a lightening rod. Doc Cavazos deserves his blame. But the whole fucking army of people who spent $150 million, that’s nine figures partner, so they could effect the arrests of 80 guys for like, selling eighths, or in the case of Face Reynolds for being in the audience while the ATF staged a “guerilla theater” performance, has always been the story for me.

    I promise, I will tell you all that story, at least the way I see it, pretty soon now. I know I owe that story to a lot of guys. Trust me when I say I take that responsibility seriously. I am getting there. Just been a rough year. Real soon now. The Chicano thing I wouldn’t know about. I am pretty Anglo.

    But enjoy your cinco de Mayo. I will spend some of mine in Old Town Montebello.

    Rebel

  81. BigV Says:

    Rebel: Good to see you on, good to see you’re still working with the book. Stay strong.

    Would it help, if we your loyal readers would drown a group of publishers/agents with emails requesting your book ? Or in support of publishing your book ?

    Still think a Paypal Donate link would be a good idea too.

    Take care, sir.

  82. willienelso3 Says:

    here’s something I found from a legal scholar:

    I recently obtained the latest edition of West’s Criminal Code and Rules, the book containing the rules you need to know if you are ever accused of a federal criminal offense. The book is updated every year, and each new edition supersedes the prior edition. It gets worse every year.

    …In practice, the federal courts overwhelmingly favor the government, and the rules of procedure are loaded with tricks and traps for the poor and the unwary. Anyone who faces the federal government in court knows that these “protections” are elusive, far-fetched, and in some cases illusionary.

    “Most so-called defense lawyers shiver in fear at the thought of trying to actually “defend” a client from a federal prosecution. Most begin their “defense” by seeking a plea bargain.

    …A recurring trick in federal court occurs when “defense” lawyers convince their clients to plead guilty to what a defendant believes is a minor count of a large indictment, in exchange for the government dropping other counts. After the guilty plea, a sentencing investigation is conducted by the U.S. Probation office (which is theoretically neutral but which in practice works closely with the prosecution). The Probation Office’s “presentence investigation report” invariably recommends a sentence consistent with conviction on all the counts that were “dropped” by the government in the plea deal, and the defendant is then sentenced according to the worst allegations of the prosecution (without any ability to challenge such allegations at a trial). The lawbooks are literally filled with appeals of such sentences. I have read many dozens of these cases. There are probably hundreds.

    What makes the Federal Criminal Code truly despicable is its disguise as a code of fair and equal procedural protections. Indeed, this deception makes West’s Federal Criminal Code and Rules worthy of inclusion among other infamously cruel books of human history. …The Federal Criminal Code documents the advancement of coordinated, systematic scheme of state tyrannical control – with a procedural overlay.

    January 4, 2011

    Dr. Roger Roots, J.D., Ph.D. has recently authored a detailed article on the unfairness of the Federal Rules of Procedure for the American Journal of Trial Advocacy.

    Copyright © 2011 by LewRockwell.com. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit is given.

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