Angels Vagos Sparks Corrected

September 28, 2011

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The Aging Rebel significantly overstated what this page characterized as a “simmering dispute between the Vagos Motorcycle Club and the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club” according to an authoritative source. The source is not a current member of either the Vagos or Hells Angels Motorcycle Clubs and does not now live in either California or Nevada. The source was assured anonymity before agreeing to discuss the incident with this page.

This page made the overstatement in an article published here on Monday, September 26. The overstatement was one of several errors in that report.

Sparks Shootout

That article reported the homicide of Hells Angels San Jose charter President Jeffrey “Jethro” Pettigrew. Pettigrew was shot and killed on the casino floor just outside Trader Dick’s Lounge at John Ascuaga’s Nugget Casino Resort in Sparks, Nevada last Friday. Two Vagos, Leonard Ramirez and Diego Garcia were also wounded during the altercation. Police arrested a Hells Angel named Cesar Villagrana on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon and possession of a stolen firearm.

Published reports have stated that about a dozen Hells Angels and about 60 Vagos were in the casino at the time of the incident. The authoritative source said that none of the Hells Angels were from northern Nevada. The source also stated that to the best of his knowledge none of the Vagos involved in the altercation were from northern Nevada, either.

The next day a Vago named Shane Smith was shot by unknown assailants travelling in a dark blue BMW 3 series sedan while Smith and another Vago were riding their motorcycles on Victorian Avenue in Sparks near the scene of the previous night’s fight. This page originally reported that Smith had been walking. He was riding with a woman on the back of his bike. Police have not yet connected that shooting with the incident the night before.

No Deal

The Aging Rebel also stated:

“The Vagos have been, arguably, the preeminent club in northern Nevada for more than 20 years. When the Hells Angels patched over the Reno Renegades in the late 1990s that charter became the Nevada Nomads rather than the Reno Angels or Nevada Angels out of respect for the Vagos. Out of respect for the Angels, at around the same time, the Vagos agreed to refrain from establishing any new chapters in Arizona….”

According to the authoritative source, most of that statement is hogwash. The source replied:

“When the Renegades started in ’93, there was only one Vago in northern Nevada, a nice guy that lived in Yerrington (about 50 miles southeast of Reno). There were no other Vagos in Nevada. The Vagos took issue with the name (Renegades). We had a meeting with them and made it clear that the name was temporary. There was no need for a deal about Arizona. The Arizona Hells Angels were still the Dirty Dozen when the Renegades became the Reno Hells Angels.”

Name Change

According to the source, the Reno Angels charter was renamed the Nevada Nomads in 2000 in order to better comply with Angels bylaws about residency requirements for charter members.

The source, who was not in the Sparks casino, did not know a motive for the shooting. The source speculated that “one of the California Vagos had a personal grudge against Jethro and followed him around until something finally happened.”

 

 

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92 Responses to “Angels Vagos Sparks Corrected”

  1. BIGGINS Says:

    Now all you Sidewalk commandos listen up If you dont know what your talking about then shut the fuck-up.It all started Behind some dumb shit as it usually does but once the fire is lit it always becomes hard to put out.If you Know Who Iam Then Youll Listen,Because I’AM A LEADER

  2. nomad Says:

    all i have to say is this the vagos didnt shoot first they shot in self defense 2 vagos got shot and romeo shot to save his brothers if your brothers are being shot your first thought is to save them if it was a two police officers being shot and another cop cought the situation in the act his first response would be to fire at the suspect weather he shot them in the back or not he is saving the lives of his fellow police officers and the customers in the casino the only reason romeo was arrested was because he is a vago anyone else would be a hero given the key to the city the officer would be a hero cop but the vago who saved the people in the casino he was charged with 2 degree murder now they are shooting for 1st degree murder wtf what kind of justice system is this rail road a guy then just last week i seen a show on fox about the vagos trying to take over the hells angels wtf … who said anything like that bad mouthing the vagos how does a man in the vagos get a fair trial anywhere after a show like that people believe what they see on tv i think they should call a mistrial in the sparks shooting he will never get even close to a fair child romeo is the kinda a man who would give the shirt off his back let you eat his last drop of food help a man in need not just his brothers but anyone in need …….it makes me very sick to see this happen i think all the clubs need to call a truce and together fight the system they dont have to love each other or sleep together but unite every club join the fight us against the system ” fbi,atf,doj, name it if its law enforcement then lets do what they do stick together we need some that can make it happen sit down all the national leaders of all the major clubs and call a truce if the crips and bloods can do it they are real gang members we are just a mc club how hard can it really be call it even start over no more fighting …. i would love to see it happen i dont care for the 81 but i can deal with them as a joint force against the system

  3. lonely boy Says:

    things went bad that night in sparks. it was and still is bad for both sides. raides caim brothers got busted.nobody wins.i was there im on a side things were heated from about 8 when it kicked it was to late

  4. Free Agent Says:

    I realize that the idea of all these MCs getting along is a major pipe dream. But can you imagine the powerful changes that could be realized through the stregnth in numbers if all clubs could tolerate each other while working on goals beneficial to all in the biker world? Just think about it. There is enough territory in this country for all of us who take to the road on two wheels. Especially if they are American made.

  5. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Grumbler,

    Gotcha…. Thanks again

    VFFV LVDV
    Viva Los Vagos

  6. Grumbler Says:

    AVAGOVFFV – Have indulged in more than my share of brain farts due to lack of sleep or exhaustion. My door comment might’ve been a little obtuse. It’s a snapshot on how we conduct ourselves. Good people are invited inside while assholes are persona non grata.

    Respects,
    Grumbler

  7. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Grumbler,

    I sincerely thank you for your kind praise regarding the story I wrote and posted here but I must say also that I’m puzzled by this part of your comment.

    “Speaking for myself, I’d rather be invited into someone’s home
    than have the door slammed in my face.”

    What’s this mean?

    It’s been a very long day so go with me on this, I may be just be having a brain fart.

    Thanks again

    VFFV LVDV
    Viva Los Vagos

  8. Grumbler Says:

    AVAGOVFFV: The question is what would you do?

    That’s a very well written and captivating nonfiction short story
    on your part.

    The moral of your story definitely does represent the ultimate
    measure of a man.

    Speaking for myself, I’d rather be invited into someone’s home
    than have the door slammed in my face.

  9. neverforget Says:

    That was a nice story like i said see you soon

  10. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Sled,

    Yeah T E S T I C L E S is right, but it seem all Clubs have those in their membership that have forgotten what it takes to be a genuinely committed Brother.

    You said it perfectly with some it’s more about the patch making the man rather the the man making the patch and completing the pack.

    Thanks again

    VFFV LVDV
    Viva Los Vagos

  11. sohn Says:

    Just a Question
    Once again you’re commenting on something you no very little about.There’s a famous saying, ” it’s better to sit there and look like a fool then open your mouth and prove it”. There is more Spanish, Hispanic, Latino and South American Hells Angels then any other motorcycle club in the world. There is more Hells Angels that speak Spanish as their primary language. There is Jewish and Muslim Hells Angels. There is Greek and Turkish Hells Angels. There is Japanese, Chinese and Korean Hells angels. There is Irish catholic and Irish protestant Hells Angels. We all get along because we have a core set of values. You obviously can’t see past brown vs. white. The reason that the governments case was defeated was that all their “evidence” was disproved. You don’t point out how the Hells Angels were charged Federally and by the state. How 10 Hells Angel club houses and some 60 properties were raided and vandalized by the government. How the Mongols pretty much jumped on the same deal, though they only had one court battle to fight. And Hells Angels did go to jail for defending themselves in that case. I have the video and first hand account to back what I’m saying. Do you?

  12. sled tramp Says:

    AVAGOVFFV-
    I find the following useful in a member or Prospect.

    Teamwork

    Enthusiasm

    Stamina

    Tenacity

    Initiative

    Courage

    Loyalty

    Excellence

    Sense of Humor

    Unfortunately, this post doesn’t allow for bold type.Read first letters as they descend.Thank you for continuing to post insightful and intelligent comments in a non bias way despite what your world these days has to deal with.
    Respect,
    sled tramp

  13. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Sled,

    Thank you…

    VFFV LVDV
    Viva Los Vagos

  14. sled tramp Says:

    After a day of watching the turkey timer,my Pit watching the turkey timer,Me watching the Pit watching the turkey timer..ahhhh…family….
    AVAGOVFFV-Yep, best Prospect story I have ever seen here.Regarding some comments posted in the wake of your story pertaining to the quality of Prospects and how it used to be,I’d repeat a post I did awhile back (abridged).

    Now this is the Law of the Jungle — as old and as true as the sky;
    And the Wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the Wolf that shall break it must die.
    As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back –
    For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.

    It’s hard finding good people.And one problem I see is the gradual but steady erosion of standards in clubs.Entry and continuing,big clubs and small.And to a certain extent,older,seasoned members are less likely to find reasons to stay now after looking around at all the factors that contribute to the problems an M.C. has these days.There seems to be a sense of “Me” more than “Us” in a number of cases.Certainly, I have witnessed a great deal more of “The patch makes the man not the man makes the Patch” in recent years.Not common but more frequent than before.
    And as mentioned,while a member acts on his own as at Reno,the reflection of that action is to the detriment of his club as a whole.And his brothers are in the shit needlessly.
    One of my brothers does something-right or wrong-I have his back.PERIOD. But finding and having people that can think on their feet and make go or stop decisions with cool heads based on experience in combustible situations is increasingly rare indeed.

  15. sled tramp Says:

    After a day of watching the turkey timer,my Pit watching the turkey timer,Me watching the Pit watching the turkey timer..ahhhh…family….
    AVAGOVFFV-Yep, best Prospect story I have ever seen here.Regarding some comments posted in the wake of your story pertaining to the quality of Prospects and how it used to be,I’d repeat a post I did awhile back (abridged).

    Now this is the Law of the Jungle — as old and as true as the sky;
    And the Wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the Wolf that shall break it must die.
    As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back —
    For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.

    It’s hard finding good people.And one problem I see is the gradual but steady erosion of standards in clubs.Entry and continuing,big clubs and small.And to a certain extent,older,seasoned members are less likely to find reasons to stay now after looking around at all the factors that contribute to the problems an M.C. has these days.There seems to be a sense of “Me” more than “Us” in a number of cases.Certainly, I have witnessed a great deal more of “The patch makes the man not the man makes the Patch” in recent years.Not common but more frequent than before.
    And as mentioned,while a member acts on his own as at Reno,the reflection of that action is to the detriment of his club as a whole.And his brothers are in the shit needlessly.
    One of my brothers does something-right or wrong-I have his back.PERIOD. But finding and having people that can think on their feet and make go or stop decisions with cool heads based on experience in combustible situations is increasingly rare indeed.

  16. Rebel Says:

    Dear just a question,

    I think the Laughlin case against the Angels fell apart because the charges were very contrived and the defendants had good council. I also think that if the jury was contaminated with prejudice before the trial, it was a prejudice against the defendants.

    Rebel

  17. Shyster Says:

    Dear Just a Question,

    That is a very interesting assessment. And I would say that a Reno jury MAY be comprised of more Caucasians than a Las Vegas jury. I am not licensed in Nevada so I have never tried a case in either Washoe or Clark County. The video and certain defenses that may be observable in it will be argued heavily by both sides. The first “side” to shoot may have an uphill battle to fight. But I wasn’t on the casino floor that night so I’m just guessing. And it’s not like I have seen the video ;-)

    Shyster

  18. Shyster Says:

    AVAGO,

    I have lost cases. I just haven’t lost a MC case where a gang allegation was attached. And there have been many. Anyhow, that Grand Jury convened on 11-9-11 revealed a lot but that is your club’s business which I have no right to speak of. I will say that the casino surveillance video will make or break the case.

    Shyster

  19. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Shyster,

    I don’t know if I’ll make it to the Jordan run that’s a wait and see. Damn I didn’t realize Shyster you were a famous shark in a suit, shit I could maybe work it out to were I’d be free for lunch sometime. I may need your services someday soon especially if you got a zero loss record.

    So what do you know about the Grand Jury Report that was released today? Pretty shitty how I see it.

    VFFV LVDV
    Viva Los Vagos

  20. Shyster Says:

    Dear AVAGO,

    I meant the Fred Jordan Toy Run. But no sweat, I just wanted to meet the guy behind that great true story. Shit, I thought you would want to meet me … I’m the lawyer who has never lost a MC case where one has been charged with a gang allegation.

    Now back to sampling the pumpkin risotto.

    Shyster

  21. RVN69 Says:

    AVAGOVFFV,
    Maybe, just maybe if John Q Citizen and Johnny Law could just forget all the bullshit they hear and see from TV and the Pooleece Academy, and read just your post alone, their opinion of us would change. That would be something we could all to give thanks for.

    Honesta Mors, Turpi Vita Potior.

  22. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    YYZ,

    Between kids running in and out the house, phones ringing and visitors I didn’t see your post but thank you very much. Like a guy used to tell me many years ago.

    “It’s just what we do son.”

    VFFV LVDV
    Viva Los Vagos

  23. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    First thank you for the four genuine and kind comments, they have left me very humble this cool Thanksgiving Day.

    Shyster, There are several Vagos toy runs in the next four weeks. I’m guessing you mean the Venice run I should be there if my work schedule permits. As for meeting me I’m not much to see just a average working class guy with a bike. I don’t mean to be phlegmatic but why the curiousness? I really kind of like being here on the site and being arcane in my identity.

    Magnet, Thanks again for the compliments, Happy Thanksgiving.

    Not Surprised, The event I wrote of was a once in a lifetime situation and the individuals mentioned are better men for it. Hopefully nobody steals the story or I’ll have to retain Shyster.

    KK, All due respect if I wanted people to know who the individuals really were I would have mentioned it in the story. As for prospects I always viewed them as future Brothers and treated them as such unless there was a reason not to.

    Have a safe holiday season

    VFFV LVDV
    Viva Los Vagos

  24. YYZ Skinhead Says:

    AVAGOVFFV:

    That was an awesome story. A biker setting aside club politics to help another biker who might have died. Awesome.

    YYZ Skinhead

  25. KK Says:

    AVAGO: You that prospect by chance? Sometimes sponsors & other old time patched members try to explain to these young prospects what diplomacy actually means (when & where) and how you can gain respect from that.

    Flip side of that some patches don’t give prospects the time of day & treat em like shit until thier patched in. Hell we had a local Pres. that wouldn’t talk to some of the 10 yr patched members.

    I got a kick out of Sled Tramps analogy of prospects being like tea bags, you find out about them when they are in hot water. (ha ha). Ain’t that the truth.

    Back in my younger days we used to say prospects were like fat people, most of them, just don’t work out.

    I enjoy the site & the wisdom you speak AVAGO.

    Enjoy your families & real food today.

  26. Not Surprised Says:

    AVAGOVFFV:

    Excellently written leaving little doubt in the reader of its authenticity. In fact, it is doubtful any Hollywood script writer could possibly dream up such a scenario, particularly the one who gets mentioned here frequently. It is a prime example of life imitating life, and no one could have told it who did not either experience it directly or had first-hand knowledge.

    My respects to that prospect who, doubtless has risen in his club, as well he should. I don’t care where your allegiance lies: this tale perfectly encapsualtes what it is all about…………….there are stand up guys in every cub.

  27. Magnet Says:

    AVAGOVFFV,

    Over the years I have read many excellent posts here about the importance of respect. That just may be the best.

    Regards & respects,

    Magnet

  28. Shyster Says:

    AVAGOVFFV,

    That was beautiful. You are a true class act. I hear you all are having a Toy Run next month. Look me up, I wanna meet you.

    Shyster

  29. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Where do I start? Huh Brandon? Just to build your understanding, I’m going to make this story time.

    Long ago there was a prospect from the Vagos MC he was proud, mean and he knew what respect was unlike a lot of warriors today.

    The prospect went to a run with many of his soon to be Brothers and there were Vagos, Mongols, Angels and many other different Clubs as well as citizens. It was great he had no bike watching or other prospect duties other than a few pushups or chasing drinks and girls.

    This was during a time when relations between several Clubs where strained. Being the major three Clubs in California they were not on the best of terms with each other during this time.

    Let’s move on to the story.

    After the party was deemed over by the “P” he had ordered the Road Captain to get the chapter rolling. They all met in the parking lot detailing where they were doing next, most were going home. The Brothers voted to kick the prospect loose for the night and head out.

    The prospect was told to leave the party and head to his town and keep the attitude under control if he was going to be out and about. They all said their good byes and like a good prospect he waited till the last Brother left south then pulled out and went north headed home.

    It was around mile three he remembered this hot dark haired girl he was flirting with but couldn’t get enough alone time with because his soon to be Brothers kept cock blocking him.

    So the prospect flips a bitch and heads back to the party to chase her down, bad prospect!

    He pulls in the parking most the bikes are gone except a couple FXR’s and a Dyna Lowrider with several cages scattered about. This place had a back entrance to a bar and stage area. As he walks in there is four MC members dressed in red and white doing good byes the prospect kept on path to find his girl from earlier in the day.

    As he walks up to her she turns around looks around him and says “Hey he wants to talk to you” the Vagos prospect turns around expecting the worst and here this stocky dude with hands like beer kegs and wearing Angels colors.

    Here we go he thought fuck!

    The Angel says “Hey prospect how are ya?” the prospect replied that he was good and went about his business chatting and ordering a drink since there were no Brothers around watching if he drank or not.

    Prospect were not allowed to drink unless it was a Vagos party.

    The Angel comes up tosses a fifty on the bar and says “Give the prospect what he wants the rest of the night if you need more let me know.” The prospect was first thinking that the Angel was trick bagging him so he paced his drinks while mingling with others in the bar and flirting with the girl he was after.

    As the evening went on the Angel with beer keg hands and his hang around would stop to chat and then wander off. An hour of so later by the label on the Jack bottle the angels hang around came and asked the Vagos prospect if he could do him a favor. The prospect being guarded asked what it was he needed the hang around explained that the Angel was fucker’ed up and didn’t want to leave and asked if if the prospect could keep and eye out. He explained that the Angel is hard headed and does what he wants so he has no choice but to leave him, but he would be back.

    Now what takes place next has only been told to one other person because as a prospect this could get you beaten, ran down the road or worse when done at the wrong time.

    Regardless to this very day it was the right thing to do.

    The prospect told the hang around he would keep an eye on him and out of trouble the best he could but no promises were given since the Angel was well an Angel. So as the hours past all was good the Angel was partying and dancing with the girls and the prospect had his new dark haired girl.

    The night was perfect booze, girls and no prospect duties. Right? WRONG!

    As the night became early morning the Angel was getting more and more hammered but still likeable. At some point while the Vagos prospect was bullshitting and drinking the Angel disappeared from the prospects view.

    The prospect went looking for the Angel he lost and after looking in the parking lot and making sure his scooter was still there the prospect found the Angel passed out behind the bar in some brush. The prospect went over to check on him and found he had vomited and was face down in the dirt.

    The Vagos prospect rolled the Angel on his side cleared his airway with his finger and took his pulse which was fine. If it wasn’t for the Angels red and white patch shining in the moonless night the prospect would have not seen the Angel in the brush.

    The Vagos prospect went and found some shag carpet and covered the Angel from the cold. He then went and found the girl he was chasing and had her and her friends help keep an eye on him and his breathing.

    As it turns out the Angel slept though till early morning hours when the hang around showed up with a truck and bike trailer to retrieve the Angel. The prospect loaded the Angels scooter and the Angel and watched them pull away going south as the sun broke in the east.

    There is more to this story and the relationship between the then Vagos prospect and the Angel but that is between them.

    It was a chance for the prospect to prove his loyalty to his Club, bring home a Angels patch as a trophy and establish himself in the outlaw world as a bad ass. Instead he made a life long Brother of another.

    The question is what would you do?

    VFFV LVDV
    Viva Los Vagos

  30. Rebel Says:

    Dear NeverForget,

    Let me first say that I aplogize for ever mentioning Pioche. When you first popped up here I thought you were just some trouble maker so I decided to let you know I could see you. Sorry about that.

    Secondly, there is a nice little passage about Pioche in The Aging Rebel. Gotta sell, sell, sell them books! All the way up to 71 copies of Out Bad last time I looked.

    Rebel

  31. NeverForget Says:

    Thats right Pioche is a nice little place small town EASY to find everyone your looking for no doubt. As far as a clubhouse thats fuckin hilarious but it would make for a fun spring see you soon .

  32. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Pioche Nevada ( pronounced – pee-oach) is located 180 miles northeast of Las Vegas. Hanging on the side of a mountain in Nevada’s high desert. It enjoys old-west charm, mild summertime temperatures, fine trout fishing, hunting, and some of Nevada’s most scenic state parks.

    Wow!
    This is a great place to just hangout and party.

    While I’m there again this winter I’ll be looking for property in town on the main drag to purchase for a Clubhouse. It would be for the Pioche Brothers to over see and the southern Nevada, northern sierra Nevada Brothers and also the Brothers and guests traveling through. I think it’s a great spot for it and very centrally located for all the Green Meanies around the Tristates.

    VFFV LVDV

    Viva Los Vagos

  33. @nonymous Says:

    …..ah, but it is…….too bad

  34. NeverForget Says:

    If its not your fucking business stay out of it!
    As far as big bad vago boy I am far from impressed…

  35. K Says:

    “I do not pry into club business. I go after cops”

    Rebel
    That is why we are looking forward to your storys. Seems there would be plenty of security. I would believe there is a code (yahoo). Lots of publicity and that brings funding…

  36. Philo Says:

    Sounds like Deee-troit, where more often than not the moto is,
    “We eat our own”…

  37. Rebel Says:

    Dear Not Surprised,

    Maybe I am stupid but I only see two possibilities here so I am not sure how much I can do with this story.

    First: Steve Tausan told the Mercury News that he had gotten death threats after Jeffrey Pettigrew died. He was a Sergeant at Arms in an Angels charter, he ran a bail bonds business and a dozen years ago he was tried for the beating death of a transient named Kevin Sullivan. So there might be some potential suspects. I wasn’t at the funeral. I am guessing there was Angels security as well as a billion cops. If a bomb had gone off it would be plausible that another club was involved. I guess a sniper is a possibility. It is also possible that somebody walked up to Tausan at the funeral, shot him, some Angels grabbed that guy and secreted him away and now they have his head in a vise or whatever but that shit is much more likely to happen on an episode of Sons of Anarchy than at a funeral in San Jose. So,

    Second: Whatever happened at the funeral and how Tausan died is club business and it is none of my business. I do not pry into club business. I go after cops and cases and I don’t really think I have any choice but to notice when clubs start lighting each other up in public. If it makes the papers I have to cover it and if I have to cover it I have to try to tell the truth about it. Anybody who has read this site for awhile knows I did not cut the Sober Riders any slack a couple of years ago because I personally think it is a damn shame when clean and sober clubs start lighting each other up. I thought that whole episode was weirdly grandiose and really stupid. But how the Angels handle their business is pretty much private as far as I am concerned.

    I will run a story on this tomorrow. I will try to be respectful to everybody who is involved. I might learn something and if I learn what I expect to learn I will not repeat it because cops, ATF, FBI, DEA and prosectutors read this site too.

    Oh, and the guarding the clubhouse shit? As far as I am concerned that means six or eight police forces got a chance to put the clubhouse under extra special surveillance. It probably gave them the opportunity to install eight new pole cameras.

    Condolences to the San Jose Angels.

    Enjoy your Sunday,
    Rebel

  38. hilarious Says:

    Wow, chickens killing their own guys now? Rerun of the same story, dude gets punched in the face, then shoots. Seems to be a pattern here….

  39. Not Surprised Says:

    I am scratching my head as well. The inital “managed news” reports were more than a little vague. One called it a “double shooting.” It is as if the article was written with the intent to create some implication on another club.

    It was not until almost 24 hours later that the San Jose Mercury indicated it might have been a fellow member. It was called an “inter club rivalry” at first.

    But we all know newspapers wouldn’t slant or color a story for impact, don’t we?

    Then there was the cryptic “Police are guarding the Hells Angels clubhouse…WTF? And how can you allege crime scene tampering in the midst of 4,000 people anyway?

    As usual Rebel, we are relying on you for some modicum of truth…….

  40. rollinnorth Says:

    I’m sitting here shaking my head over the news from San Jose. WTF? Your sergeant-at-arms gets shot and killed at your VP’s funeral? By a brother? Something terribly wrong going on.
    Have to wait and see what shakes out. You have to wonder about the “others attended the ceremony in plainclothes” according to the local rag. Sure, a gathering like this draws as many heat as mourners, but with all that we’ve been learning about the war on American citizens by this government, who knows what’s really up.
    Rebel, I’m sure you are already digging. Thanks, man.

  41. ruffrider Says:

    Looks like the ha declared war on themselves.

  42. Philo Says:

    Just an aside from an uninvolved observer: This entire thread deteriorated into the kind of bullshit that the lawdogs work for every day. Mindless infighting. Pro Tip: The internet is like a giant dive bar, where everyone can hear everyone else, but no one can see who’s really saying what.

    Divide, sow dissent, conquer = LEO M.O.

    ~Philo

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