Daniel “Coconut Dan” Horrigan

September 5, 2011

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Daniel “Coconut Dan” Horrigan died this summer in Carson City, Nevada.

Horrigan, a long time confidential informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was responsible for both the widespread expansion of the Mongols Motorcycle Club in 2007 and 2008 and for many of the most damning accusations leveled against that motorcycle club in the criminal case United States versus Cavazos and others.

One of Horrigan’s hobbies was breaking coconuts with his fists and he would tell anyone who would listen that there was little difference between breaking a coconut and breaking a man’s skull.

 Prospect and Patch

Horrigan prospected the Nevada Nomads Charter of the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club from 2000 through 2002. He was rejected by that club in April 2002 after a member recognized him as a police informant. Horrigan later claimed to have “beaten down” 17 Hells Angels when he was informed he had been exposed.

Horrigan was recruited to subvert the Mongols in 2006 by now retired ATF agent Jimmy Packard. He became an important and ludicrously influential member of that club during the administration of former club President Ruben “Doc’ Cavazos. Horrigan, by several accounts, talked Cavazos into expanding into Oregon, recruited the initial members there and convinced Cavazos to expand into additional states. Horrigan also tried to instigate conflicts with the Sons of Silence Motorcycle Club and the American Outlaws Association.

In one version of one of Horrigan’s many stories, he almost beat a member of the SOS to death. In another version he talked a Mongol out of beating the Son to death. In a third version, he warned a Son so he wouldn’t be killed.

All of the strategic moves Horrigan made within the Mongols were planned and orchestrated by the ATF. After 2007, Horrigan and Robert Lawrence “Lars” Wilson assumed control of the manufacture and distribution of Mongols patches and other insignia for all new members outside California.

 Hollywood Carr

Among numerous other betrayals, Horrigan probationary (P) patched an ATF Agent named John “Hollywood” Carr into the Mongols despite objections from Mongols members that Carr was a loose cannon at best and a cop at worst.

In fact Carr was both. The year before Carr began his infiltration of the Mongols, and operating out the same warehouse he used during the Mongols investigation, Carr pretended to be a drug dealer and recruited men to rob other drug dealers. Carr planned a stash house robbery, enticed participants to a meeting at his warehouse and sprung the plan on his recruits. Before the other men could leave a Swat team emerged and Carr’s “crew” was charged with attempted “home invasion robbery.” It was a prequel to two similar entrapments Carr sprung on members of the Mongols.

Horrigan and Wilson were also responsible for patching three more ATF agents into the Mongols in Virginia. Like other paid confidential informants in that Mongols case, Horrigan both instigated and reported many of the most egregious accusations made against that club.

Before his death, a source who knew Horrigan described him as unable to “read or write…addicted to pain pills and thinks he talks directly to God.” Anyone who knows anything about Horrigan’s career knows that description might also be applied to the American system of criminal justice.

 Large and in Charge

During the undercover provocation that would later be given the public relations handle “Operation Black Rain,” Horrigan was Confidential Informant 6.

Horrigan’s ATF case Agent, John Ciccone, described Horrigan to a gullible judge as “…compensated for his cooperation. Since November 2006, CI-6 has been assisting ATF in Reno, Nevada and Los Angeles, California, by providing intelligence information and by documenting the criminal activity of members of the Mongols OMG. CI-6 has also purchased drug and firearms and has made introductions of ATF undercover agents in Reno, Nevada. Initially, CI-6 was the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Carson City chapter of the Mongols, but he later transferred to the Central chapter of the Mongols (Reno) and was appointed as President – a position he still holds. During the past year, CI-6 was also appointed as the Mongols ‘World chapter Sergeant-at-Arms.’”

During that investigation, Ciccone told Horrigan that he should write a book about his experiences once the investigation concluded. This was at the dawn of the ATF’s calculated and ongoing subversion of American journalism and American arts and letters.

At the same time Ciccone was encouraging the illiterate Horrigan to become an author, ATF Agents and informants were also encouraging Doc Cavazos to write his own memoir, titled Honor Few, Fear None. There are interesting connections there, too.

One of the many men Horrigan personally betrayed was a Mongol and a member of the United States Navy named Brian McCauley. Horrigan insinuated that because he was both a sailor and a Mongol, McCauley was a domestic terrorist with access to military guns and explosives. McCauley was later prosecuted. The charges against him boiled down to possessing guns and ammunition, having his picture appear in Honor Few, Fear None and threatening to brandish a weapon. The photograph of McCauley in the book the ATF instigated was actually entered into evidence.

 Career Choice

Horrigan reportedly became a professional informant at the urging of former Monterey County, California District Attorney Manuel “Manny” Ameron after the DA put Horrigan in prison for two years for cocaine possession. According to published accounts, Horrigan served his sentence at San Quentin. Horrigan, by his own admission, had always wanted to be a police officer. After his release, Ameron told Horrigan he would “make a good detective.” So, a tragic career began.

Black Rain was Horrigan’s last assignment as an agent provocateur. At the time of his death, Horrigan was working as a tree trimmer and trying to sell the book he wrote at Ciccone’s suggestion, titled Iron Warrior: The True Story of an Outlaw Biker Who Infiltrated Both the Hells Angels and Mongols Motorcycle Clubs.

 Gotta Have Friends

Two years ago Horrigan was befriended by a former BMV saleswoman, casting director and studio executive named Lauren Lloyd. Lloyd hoped to market the book and a movie inspired by Horrigan’s biography. Both properties would have portrayed Horrigan as a larger than life hero. While he waited for his moment of fame to arrive Horrigan started a tree trimming business in northern Nevada.

Horrigan ran out of time before Lloyd found a way to paint him gold. He died of an apparent stroke while at work on July 11. He died hanging in a tree like Judas. He spent the last 20 years of his life befriending men so he could betray them. He did it for a little money. And, he did it for the same reasons child molesters and serial killers befriend their victims.

Daniel “Coconut Dan” Horrigan was 58-years-old.

May God have mercy on his soul.

 

 

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46 Responses to “Daniel “Coconut Dan” Horrigan”

  1. Big Ric Says:

    What a bunch of sissy ass biatches.
    Dans a snitch bitch and the people who he fooled are fuckin retarded!
    Give thanks to Charlie for making Dan seem “cool” in the movie.
    Each and every single one of you got, or will get what you deserve.
    Including Dan Black, aka Dan Horrigan, aka Dan Saxon, aka Worthless piece of Marine shit.
    GD , my 11 year old could run these clubs better than these bitches.
    And not a single one of you got the balls to come to the Midwest anymore.
    Fucking waste, each and every of you.
    Including Dans “friend” who knows to much to still have a breath in his lungs.

  2. G-Money Says:

    I knew Dan and knew he was a rat too!!! I even warned the Mongols in 2005 that he was a rat and was told, “no way bro.” My guess is s that the rat is not dead at all but rather in witness protection in some city usa. I mean get real, he died in a tree??? I don’t buy it, he is in witness protection.

  3. Cajun BItch Says:

    I find it funny that all u assholes call him a rat.he helped put hundreds of those pathetic bikers behind bars. They killed, robbed and sold drugs that kill people.i respect him all the way. Its never ok for people kill and rob. So dont worry the only ones that are gonna rot in hell are u bunch of pathetic criminals!

  4. Donna Says:

    Saint nope and neither is his brother. My son is his nephew and didn’t have the decency to name him. Well, Mike is just lucky that they didn’t have the laws they have now, he would be in prison instead of working for one. Timing was good for him. Saints, nope, and the truth will be the truth. You push your body so hard, yep it is going to give out. That is what happened. I am Dannys same age, and I don’t have those problems. Like that.

  5. Donna Says:

    I am his x sister in law and Danny and his brother were no saints. So please do not try and make them one. Mike had a very hard time paying his child support, and if they had the law they have now, he would end up in prison, not working for one. He didn’t even have the decency to mention his nephew as a survivor of the family. I mean this is not just bitter it is fact, spit on the saint part, believe me they were just as rotten as you and I could of been or anyone could be. Getting away with things is a different story.

  6. Donna Says:

    I am his x sister in law and Danny and his brother were no saints. So please do not try and make them one. Mike had a very hard time paying his child support, and if they had the law they have now, he would end up in prison, not working for one. He didn’t even have the decency to mention his nephew as a survivor of the family. I mean this is not just bitter it is fact, spit on the saint part, believe me they were just as rotten as you and I could of been or anyone could be. Getting away with things is a different story.

  7. Legacy Listo Says:

    Poetic Justice que no.

  8. Popeye Says:

    Fuck him but I got to LOL at “his mastery of Muay Thai Karate which he studied under a shaolin priest????”
    WTF??
    Muay Thai is not taught by Shaolin Priests and it is not Karate.
    Muay Thai is from Thai Land
    Shaolin Priests are from China
    Karate is from Japan

    And that story is straight out of some guys ass!

  9. sohn Says:

    @Mad Cat
    P.S. The more I think about that piece of shit hypocrite, the more I feel sorry for you in not being able to see what a scum sucking user he was.

  10. sohn Says:

    Oh yeah, I forgot to point out that we got T-shirts and sponsors for his “events”, then we found out that he would just pocket all the money for himself.

  11. sohn Says:

    Mad Cat,
    You’re an idiot full of half truths and lies. I never sparred with cucumber Dan. I’ve sparred countless time in my life, but never with Dan. I’m sure he could have rung my bell, but that’s what sparring is about. I also never personally saw him fight. I saw him break coconuts and boards and he could definitely hit a stationary target as hard as anyone I’ve ever seen.
    As far as a background check, we did one. We knew everything one could find out, excluding he was a rat, about him. When he was born, where he went to school, his parents names, where and when he did time, his son’s name, his brothers name and we knew his brother who he talked shit about because he was a prison guard, etc. The rat shit wasn’t overtly available. Part of the back ground check though is people that knew him, there were 2 people that were in the “losers” when “Cucumber Dan” prospected for them. One said he was a rat, one said he thought he was O.K.. Anyone can call someone a rat, we require paper work. And because he did not rat on that person, paper work obviously wasn’t easy to find.
    After waiting nearly a year and not receiving any paper work, we made him a prospect. We then brought him to SF, where he cold cocked a member and then got beat up, very bad, by a prospect from that members charter in a one on one. Several tendons in his knee were torn. So, as far as he gave what he got,you’re completely full of it. You seam to leave out that he had to wear a brace for several months. On top of that, his beating would have been worse, but Rob saved his sorry ass.
    We then offered to help him clear his name, because we did believe him and the paper work we were given was easily falsified. That’s when he got shady. His first story is how he beat up a bunch of guys at the Carson Nugget. He said that he got a call from one of us stating we were in trouble and we needed his help and that when he got down there, he was jumped. When I called him on it by telling him we were all out of town at a funeral and he knew that- because we told him- he started to become even more difficult to get a hold of. We then heard he was sucking the glass dick on fourth street, you must have been his friend on that one. No hypes no pipes in my club, we then realized that not only was he probably a rat, but he was a druggie too. We looked for him to kick him out, but he was hiding. His long time girlfriend told us he no longer lived with her; I was glad- because she was decent and he cheated on her and filled her head with lies too. He finally showed up at my brothers house, with a police escort, and turned in his patch.
    We then told every club in our area with which we had a relationship, which was all but one club, exactly what transpired. And you may have also noticed that none of us got in trouble because of “cucumber”. And that’s because we are law abiding citizens. And, I don’t understand why anyone would break the law with a supposed “born again Christian” anyway. And as far as I go, I have been paying the IRS through my work W-2s since I was 9. I worked my way through college. Have had 2 Jobs most of my life. So, I have no idea where you get that I know nothing about work. Yes, that’s since 1976.

  12. swampy Says:

    phuquehed, yes! When I was a much younger man(well, 18 year-old kid) and just starting to ride during the mid-70s, I befriended a Korean War POW(US Army); he was a motorcycle enthusiast too. I had known him for five years before he finally had his POW identification number, that was tattooed on his forearm, “covered” over. He was a great guy and understood what freedom meant. However, if he didn’t like someone, he had a saying: “I’d like to check-in to a hotel with a thousand rooms and find that mother fucker dead in every one of ’em.” – R.I.P. Joe

    With the highest regards and respect.
    swampy

  13. ghost Says:

    tig girl couldn’t be more right every rat within the clubs that i’ve heard about or know about come in out of no where go above and beyond in the prospecting/showing off phase (because they know they have immunity) then as soon as they get patched they start askin for stuff guns /drugs blah blah blah and the next thing you know all your bros are on the bus to camp fed just sumthin to think about

  14. TigGirl Says:

    Just reporting this nugget of wisdom from Philo.

    you guys need to go read this again. then a couple more times. the answer is right there. beware the super biker. it’s the one thing all these assholes have in common, no matter what club they’re spying on or what agency they’re doing it for.

    I’m gonna generalize here a bit, but, most bikers i know and have known (myself included) are usually workin class dudes, with maybe a business that does ok. that’s what most clubs are made of, right?

    then seemingly out of nowhere super-biker flies in with all kinds of ‘connections’ ‘hook-ups’, and ‘stories’, always stroking egos, (lets be honest, there’s a lot of fukin egos in this lifestyle : ) and before you know it they’re an officer. then a national officer. then you and all your friends wake up to your children’s screams as some fuking atf storm troopers crashes through their window and stick an MP5 in their faces.

    i’m serious. read all these guys stories. go all the way back to that fuking puke anthony from alaska that caused so much grief for the 81. it’s always the same. beware the “super biker”.

    ~Philo”

  15. Phuquehed Says:

    @Sieg – Okay, I get it now.

    @swampy – An even better slow death, would be to have read he fell off a lawn mower drunk, hit the throttle on the way off and slowed it down about halfway and it ran him over the bottom half so that he got to see his guts and bones and pieces of meat fly out the grass exhaust, then got to lay there for a few hours screaming for help and from the pain and no one coming, or better yet,a dog coming by and pissing on him.

    I can think of all kinds of shit that should happen to rats that will last a loooooooong time and make them suffer horribly during, heh heh heh.

  16. swampy Says:

    It’s too bad that CocoNUT died of a stroke. That was too quick. I believe a more appropriate death would have been…..let’s say, he had “slipped” in his rigging and strangled, kicking, pissing and shitting in his pants, while hanging from that tree.

    Mad cat, do you expect anyone to have “sympathy” for that mother fucker? Let me clarify one thing, my sympathy does not lie with the dead. I reserve my sympathy for the living. The MEN that Horrigan looked directly in the eyes and called BROTHER, while knowing he was destroying their lives. My sympathy is with the families, of those MEN, whose lives he knowingly destroyed. I guess you’re looking for heaven beyond some distant horizon. Heaven starts here on earth in the way that you treat your loved ones. Dan Horrigan did a piss poor job of that.

    swampy

    p.s. It sounds as if Horrigan died about a decade too late.

    With the highest regards and respect to Sohn and all who deserve it.

  17. Sieg Says:

    Tooj Says:
    July 24th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
    Dear Sieg,

    We may have a common friend. Do you know the Warchild?

    Regards,

    Tooj

    Not by that name, Brother, sorry.

  18. Sieg Says:

    Phuquehead, I meant that as a reference to a culture and time dead and gone. How’s this?

    …and take the god described in a book of legends written by an extinct people 2000 years ago with you.

    Pretty hard to find a Jew these days that can actually trace his roots back to one of the original tribes.

    Fuck a rat, jew or gentile, Wotanist, Satanist, Pagan, whatever.

  19. Phuquehed Says:

    @sieg – Man, the anger is cool because it’s directed at the right person(s), but there’s no need for the ‘jew’ shit (or any other). I’m a fucking jew, albeit an atheist one, but I figure it’s best to keep religion and things similar to it off this place as it *will* lead to bullshit that’s absolutely unnecessary here when we all need to stick together to fight the feds and other asshats like Dan ‘the rat’ Horrigan.

  20. ghost Says:

    ok i just watched the clip again and it said verbatim,dan trained in muay thai karate under a shaolin monk. muay thai comes from thailand and is tought in muay thai camps by muay thai fighters which as a sport is as big as soccer in thailand. i’ve lived in pattaya karate is a japanese martial art and shaolin monks come from china and do kung fu the narrator in the clip is either one of the stupidest people alive or he took lying dans word for it probrably both fuck these clowns

  21. ghost Says:

    i just watched the above youtube clip about douchenut dan and feel like puking, this piece of shit made it his buisness to be a pawn for cops and a fucking rat, and then present himself as some kind of hero.
    FUCK THIS GUY AND ANYONE LIKE HIM, after reading the above posts even his so called supporters called him a pathlogical liar only losers like this guy and that FUCK POPS BLANKENSHIP who are so seriously lacking in their own self esteem would work for cops.. the funny thing is after the cops are done with them they go back to being the same lame ass souless fucks they always were and have nothing but their lame ass cop storys to tell the producers at gangland and lets not forget the WORST OF THE WORST TONY TAIT!!!! even though fagbird dobyns and fuckstick billy queen did what they did they were cops and that was their chosen profession no matter how misguided!!! but these loser ass wanna be cop puto ass snitches should be lined up and shot … fuck cops and double fuck snitches may they all burn in hell.
    by the way breaking boards and coconuts doesn’t make you a tough guy it makes you a board breaker boards dont fight back, not to toot my own horn but i started bouncing in strip clubs at the ripe old age of 20, i’m now 38. ive been in over 200 real street fights and have the scars to prove it. fags like douchenut dan are the douchebags putting on their little performances down at the mall or where ever duping kids and loser 40 somethings into taking karate.. these guys always get their asses kicked in a real fight just watch any of the first 20 ufc’s for proof muay thai and brazilian jiu jitsu are the only martial arts that are really worth afuck as far as real fighting goes and i guarantee that you will never see a board breaking demo in either a muay thai gym or a bjj academy

  22. Tooj Says:

    Dear Sieg,

    We may have a common friend. Do you know the Warchild?

    Regards,

    Tooj

  23. (btb) back to basics Says:

    to Mad cat ….

    sounds to me like you were his handler. So, what agency are you with?

  24. SMFtwstdHICK Says:

    Mad cat Says:
    June 22nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    “Sohn and Dan were never really close. In fact,,Danny commented once that Sohn was always standoffish with him. He was tight with other members, including stick, dj, donny, and Phil. So for Sohn to talk a bunch of bs is funny to me.”

    Or, Maybe Mr. Sohn realized already the rat was a POS and couldn’t be trusted?

    Any rat should be a dead rat. And, hopefully the POS who hung to death is rotting in hell.

  25. Sieg Says:

    “He was however a devout Christian and he is with God today. I pray for all of you who have hate in your hearts for Danny and others who “rat”. What a perverted view of the world you have. The omg’s commit crime, you know it and I know it. If you were raised properly and if you feared God you would see this..”

    Go fuck yourself and the rats you defend, and take your jew god with you.

  26. BadMagic Says:

    “The omg’s commit crime, you know it and I know it. If you were raised properly and if you feared God you would see this..”

    Fuck You.

    First, there are no OMG’s that I know of.

    2nd, No clubs that I know of commit crimes. No club or fraternal organization, or any person for that matter, is crime free. That doesn’t make the club criminal, nor all people criminals.

    Clubs shouldn’t be in the business of policing their members. If policies are created like, “no member can commit crimes”, then you have a club that is taking responsibility for criminal activity. They should not. I fear policies like that can make a club more vulnerable to RICO bullshit.

    B-|

  27. Sieg Says:

    God have mercy on him?

    May Wotan piss on his rotting carcass, and on the rotting carcasses of all the other alphabet-soup pieces of shit out there.

  28. Mad cat Says:

    Dan horrigan was a Christian and a man who knew right from wrong. I knew Dan well, especially when he was hang around and eventual prospect for hamc. First off, Sohn nor any of his buddies could take Dan. They all looked up to him and he trained them in fighting styles. That is a fact. Another fact is that David D, Troy, Rob, and Sohn regularly got beat down in sparring by Dan.

    When Dan went to San Fran for the party, he got into it with hamc from Monterey. From his account he gave as good as he got. He was injured but not badly. I know because I picked him up n Sacramento after this…..the truth is that yes, he could not pass the background the hamc was about to put him through. Sohn can take offense all he wants, they fucked up. Dan had paperwork from Monterey and Rick mar knew this. They drug their feet on the background because they were star struck with Danny and they let it slide. He really should have never gotten a bottom rocker..

    Danny died working a regular job, something Sohn knows nothing about. Danny was addicted to pain pills and he did exaggerate things. He was however a devout Christian and he is with God today. I pray for all of you who have hate in your hearts for Danny and others who “rat”. What a perverted view of the world you have. The omg’s commit crime, you know it and I know it. If you were raised properly and if you feared God you would see this..

    As far as what Dan informed on while a n hamc prospect, just because the offenses were not charged does not negate the facts and recordings. It is possible that the offenses were used to bolster other investigations. I mean if cops charged hamc members for every assault, murder, battery, stolen bike, or dope deal they committed the system would be bogged down. Some crimes are known and used as info rather than indictments.

    Sohn and Dan were never really close. In fact,,Danny commented once that Sohn was always standoffish with him. He was tight with other members, including stick, dj, donny, and Phil. So for Sohn to talk a bunch of bs is funny to me.

    Anyway, Danny was a good man and he did more good than Sohn and his cronies have done. I will pray for them to become good men in the future.

  29. Big john Says:

    This comment has been edited to remove the name of a man who was maliciously accused by commenters who identified themselves as Big John and Swede of being a snitch. The Aging Rebel has investigated the identities of both those commenters and is satisfied that the former Vago mentioned in this thread was never a snitch.

    Sound like a guy who was a notorius ci in the vagosmc mc. I believe his name is *****. Aka *****. When the club found out that he was an informant they let him retire and become a christian rather then deal with him like a rat.. This guy was responsible for the last four raids on that club. Damn shame..

  30. Scittish Says:

    This comment has been edited to remove the name of a man who was maliciously accused by commenters who identified themselves as Big John and Swede of being a snitch. The Aging Rebel has investigated the identities of both those commenters and is satisfied that the former Vago mentioned in this thread was never a snitch.

    Sounds like a couple of guys who have been identified in the vagosmc mc. One of the guys names is ***** aka. *****. the club found out about him and did nothing. They let him retire and become a christian.What a joke he has been responsible for the past 4 raids on the club. I guess they would rather sweep him under the rug then to actually clean house. good job ATF.

  31. Bandit Says:

    Coconut Dan is dead? Couldn’t happen to a better guy. Hope he rots for a thousand years. It’s a Black & White World !!!

  32. Philo Says:

    you guys need to go read this again. then a couple more times. the answer is right there. beware the super biker. it’s the one thing all these assholes have in common, no matter what club they’re spying on or what agency they’re doing it for.

    I’m gonna generalize here a bit, but, most bikers i know and have known (myself included) are usually workin class dudes, with maybe a business that does ok. that’s what most clubs are made of, right?

    then seemingly out of nowhere super-biker flies in with all kinds of ‘connections’ ‘hook-ups’, and ‘stories’, always stroking egos, (lets be honest, there’s a lot of fukin egos in this lifestyle : ) and before you know it they’re an officer. then a national officer. then you and all your friends wake up to your children’s screams as some fuking atf storm troopers crashes through their window and stick an MP5 in their faces.

    i’m serious. read all these guys stories. go all the way back to that fuking puke anthony from alaska that caused so much grief for the 81. it’s always the same. beware the “super biker”.

    ~Philo

  33. Roach Says:

    Coconut Dan was a piece of shit. He was a rat and a liar. He deserves the hell he is in for eternity.

  34. Dan the Man Says:

    the formula explained to me by someone more knowledgeable about these things is simple. The economy is in the shitter, governments everywhere are cutting back, and a large police force seems and obvious target.

    They need to drum up some criminal activity real fast and save their budges.

    Combine that with the fact that police forces get to keep a portion of what they raid in gang busts, essentially hustling, robbing and shaking down people for money.

  35. Rebel Says:

    Dear Sohn,

    Say anything you want or nothing at all.

    Cicconi, is such a likable guy. Used to play second base at Grand Valley State. He smiles. He’s reasonable. He’s eager to find a common ground with you. I really like the guy. And, he lies when he says hello.

    Still waiting on that interview Ciccone. I know you will read this sooner or later. You said when “all this dies down.” You know, if you want, I can interview T-Dogg. It’s all good. You and Julian Sher still teaching classes together? How are things going at the Bureau? You read The Friends of Eddie Coyle yet? I still want to know what you think of Foley. I see Bird painted “No Angel” on his gas tank so I guess he ain’t scared of the Angels no more. You guys still hang? How about Cefalu. Shame about Cefalu, huh.

    Rebel

  36. Anarchy Says:

    Well said and well written and still much respect . my previous post is jmo nothing more nothing less.
    Respect, Steve

  37. sohn Says:

    To All,
    I’m probably overly sensitive to the comment,”things have changed”.It’s Like fingernails on a chalk board to me and generally gets a response that doesn’t translate well over the inter-net.
    I’ve followed Rebel for years, as most of you know, and know that he and his true following are very well intentioned. I even believe that about the people on here that one might think that I wouldn’t. I don’t share a lot of what I do know though,because frankly, it’s no ones business until me and or my friends and family decide that it is. So, I bite my tongue a lot and it really is for the better. I usually don’t share until I think it may help a fellow biker or motorcycle enthusiast. The last post and this one are rare breaks from that rule.
    That being said,I have sat across from Chikon (sic) for weeks on end. I know more then all to well that the Feds could indict a ham sandwich, and in the for-mentioned statement me, if they want to. I have also sat and listened how they (the Feds) try to paint the mundane into Michael Angelo’s “Heaven vs. Hell”. Luckily, their genius is not that of Angelo’s . Not under estimating Chikon (sic), he is cunning, ambitious, narcissistic and lacks in morality. He is also tenacious, continually adjusting to get his golden goose. A very dangerous combo! And worse yet, he is not alone in his endeavor. As of now, many motorcycle clubs are on the U.S. home land security terrorist list, foreign members can no longer fly here from over seas. And the way they (Chikon (sic) and other Feds) twist every word and action, is one of the main reasons that I bite my tongue. Like I’ve said, I have first hand experience with all of this.
    That being said; pop’s, J-bird and Cucumber Dan never became Hell’s Angels. It annoys me that they are thought of as infiltrating my club. Not one Hells Angel was ever arrested because of Cucumber Dan. If anything he said about us were half true, we’d all have been charged with numerous assaults, attempted murder, intimidating a federal witness,witness tampering and anything else they could make up along those lines. An example of something similar to that is a case in Washington. Where a Hells Angel on trial went to a bar that that particular member regularly frequented. On that particular night, the prosecutor in his murder case went to that very bar for the first time in his life. Yes, the Hells Angel was arrested for intimidating the Fed. J-bird tried the same thing as well.
    Sincerely, Sohn

  38. Anarchy Says:

    No disrespect and those comments were not just based only on Horrigan and yes you are correct Horrigan was never a patched 81. there are other informers who have been patched in along with feds who have been patched in to more then one club research and fact finding does back this up. when the feds starting filing the rico act many things started changing and yes i have talked to long time members who have more then explained how many things have changed within there own clubs . different types of new members more pressure from the feds, shorter or no prospecting ect,ect some clubs are making adjustments better then others but in the last 10 years change has come .
    Respect ,Steve

  39. Rebel Says:

    Dear Sohn,

    I am sure you are better informed than I about how long Horrigan prospected. I don’t know. He said somewhere around a year and a half but I am very, very aware the guy was a pathological liar. I wasn’t there, but I think he probably combined the time he was a hangaround, the time he was a prospect, and added the time when he was getting paid by the ATF and wasn’t actually doing anything.

    As I am sure you know, most of the actual dirty work done on club infiltrations is carried out by ATF contract employees like Horrigan, Pops Blankenship, Steve Veltus and others. Most of these guys are endearing and likable in some way which is how they get their feet in the door. I have heard a lot of rats described as likeable. I have also seen some amateur video footage where these guys just change their personalities in a second when they get alone with an ATF UC.

    The story about the 17 Angels, Horrigan said it happened in the Frisco clubhouse I think, was such an obvious lie that I included it to illustrate how nuts the guy was and the things he could get gullible producers and journalists to believe.

    I believe he P-patched into the Mongols.

    I think I might have a little insight into how things have changed in clubs in the last 35 years. There used to be a lot more clubs, for one thing. And there used to be a lot fewer motorcycle club police. After Ruby Ridge and Waco the ATF had to find new targets or get absorbed into the FBI.

    And, the law changed in 1981 with the Turkette decision. Turkette invented the crime of being accused of being a criminal. The crime of being accused of being a criminal is what the feds use against most motorcycle clubs. Usually the predicate, underlying crime is selling an eighth of grass to some guy or something like that. The first club prosecuted after Turkette was the Angels, on September 4, 1982.

    I don’t think patch holders in any club are less disciplined or more careless than they were in, say, 1979 or 1980. It sure looks to me like the new guys are much more concerned about “club security.” I can only tell you that it is by the grace of God that I never got locked up forever. Today, I wouldn’t stand a chance. What has really changed over the years is that almost any patch holder can be prosecuted based on accusations made by guys Horrigan.

    There is this whole, bullet proof process to prosecuting an Angel, Vago, Mongol, Pagan, Bandido, Outlaw and so on. First the case agent tells the CI what to find. Then the CI comes back and tells an undercover agent, not the case agent, that he found it. Then the UC tells the case agent, you know, like Ciccone, what he has “learned.” Then Ciccone writes the report and has the UC sign it. Then the report goes to a grand jury, which is a bunch of people who are all too stupid to get out of jury duty. Then the report (they always call them ROIs because that sounds more important than “report”) is made secret because it is part of an “ongong investigation.” The investigations never end. The Rogues in Oklahoma and Kansas were part of an ongoing investigation that lasted, the feds claim, 12 years.

    What has really changed in the last 30 or 35 years is that there used to be a lot fewer cops, the cops in the old days used to have a much closer relationship with reality, and the cops also had better things to do than spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to frame guys who just basically wanted to be left alone.

    Rebel

  40. RVN69 Says:

    Sohn,
    My perception of how informants are able to infiltrate multiple clubs is less that the clubs are somehow negligent, than that the Feds are now able to spend millions of our taxpayer money to develop false “ID’s” for these informants, possibly including plastic surgery. Also the ATF in particular is pursuing clubs with a single mindedness that borders on insanity.
    Steve is a regular here and has tried to “out” the true identity of these rats, including posting pictures of them. I am sure he meant no offense.

    Honesta Mors, Turpi Vita Potior.

  41. sohn Says:

    First of all,Steve, the faggot was never “patched” into the Hells Angels, nor do I remember him being a prospect for more then 6 months. And if any of the lies he said were true, 17 Hells Angels would have been arrested.
    I’m fed up with hearing how things have fucking “changed”. In every major club, there are members who have been in the clubs since the 60’s. In the Hells Angels, there are members, members being plural, who have been members since the 50’s. There is literally thousands of years of combined history in these clubs. We are perfectly aware how the clubs have “changed”. In fact, with the times, we have made changes. Yet, people who are not in clubs seem to point out these perceived shortcomings to us. I suggest you discuss it with a club member in person, see how it works out for you.
    sincerely Sohn

  42. Anarchy Says:

    the big ? how does a known informer get patched in to two or three clubs speaks volumes how things have changed .
    Respect,Steve

  43. Shyster Says:

    He sold his soul because he wanted to play pig. Let’s not waste any more bandwidth on the piece of shit. May god bless the men he betrayed.

    Shyster

  44. 10Gauge Says:

    I can’t believe a man that gets busted for being a drug dealer and became a rat so he didn’t have to worry about getting busted again would claim that he always wanted to be a cop. Kinda like a short eyed scum bag that gets busted for looking at child porn on the net and claims he was just doing research for a book…Now he’s just Dead in a tree hanging like a stool pigeon…No hero book…No movie deal…Just Another never could be that will now never be. Unfortunately all of the men whose lives have been rearranged so he could feel his life had some type of purpose are left in the middle of his mess.

  45. RVN69 Says:

    Coconut Dan’s story seems to be one of someone with big muscles and a small brain manipulated by federal agents for their own personal gain. As so perfectly described,”He died hanging in a tree like Judas”, a large man physically who lived a small life and died insignificantly.

    Honesta Mors, Turpi Vita Potior.

  46. BigV Says:

    Fuck him and feed him fish eyes.

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