The Bandido Massacre

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The Bandido Massacre

Men are saved by motorcycle clubs as they are saved by religion. Many men who have ridden with clubs will understand the comparison.

For some men a patch is the first thing they have ever won in their lives and the experience of putting that symbol on their backs is transformative. Those who were weak become strong. Those who were lost belong. The meek become bold, the reckless responsible. The older the prospect the greater the accomplishment.

Former ATF Undercover Agent William Queen danced when he won his Mongols patch. He was only pretending to be a Mongol but his joy at patching was genuine. The dramatic conclusion of the often told tale of Undercover Agent Jay Dobyns is always the moment a Hells Angel invites Dobyns to wear his patch until Dobyns can get a patch of his own.

Napoleon cynically noticed that men will kill and die for “a bit of colored ribbon” so it should not surprise anybody, 200 years later, that men will do the same things for a name brand patch. That is exactly what happened in rural Elgin County, Ontario in the early morning hours of April 8, 2008. Eight members of the Toronto chapter of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club, the “No Surrender Crew,” were killed for their patches.

The Bandidos Massacre

The massacre was arguably the largest mass murder in Ontario since the French and Indian War. The crime was woven of delusion, pride, madness and utter, gross, astounding stupidity. The sensational trial of the six murderers lingered seven months. It ended last October 29th.

And, Peter Edwards’ 474 page The Bandido Massacre was in bookstores the very next day. An admirer named David Newland called the book “a gripping and eye-opening account of the rise and fall of the Bandidos in Canada.” Others claim the book offers “a rare glimpse into the often insular biker realm” and takes “readers inside the crumbling brotherhood bent on betrayal and self obliteration.” Edwards’ mother, wife and children, his favorite high school teacher and his agent call him a “story-teller supreme” and claim that his style is “fast-paced and engrossing.”

Maybe if you pay extra you can get a copy of the book those people read. The prose in my copy of The Bandido Massacre is flat and bloated.

Still Making A New Enemy

Edwards has been gainfully employed by the same paper that gave Ernest Hemingway his start, the Toronto Star, for the last 23 years and he has published ten books so it is probably just me. But I think Peter Edwards reads like one of those thoroughly professional reporters who are constantly on guard lest irony, curiosity, skepticism, personality, intelligence or style might somehow creep into their holy, journalistic work. Edwards has done a fine job of collecting facts. His “best explanation…for the carnage that came to light in Shedden comes from the writings of cultural anthropologist Ernest Becker.”

In the very first sentence of this book Edwards quotes a terrific reporter named Jane Sims. Sims covered the case for the London (Ontario) Free Press and during the trial Edwards heard her say that the Canadian Bandidos “sounded like the He-Man Woman Haters Club from the old Little Rascals television series.”

The Bandido Massacre would have been better if Sims had quoted Edwards in the first sentence because that would have made her the author instead of him. The worst thing about this book is that Edwards wrote it. Sims didn’t. But the best thing about this book is that not even a bad writer can ruin a great story. And the Shedden massacre, as it is usually called in Canada after the town nearest to where the bodies were found, is a great story.

A Brief History Of Canada

Almost from its beginning the No Surrender Crew was essentially the only Bandidos chapter in Canada. The history of motorcycle clubs in Canada is tangled. It can be told many ways and most of the ways it can be told would offend somebody who is reading this.

Let it go that the Outlaws and the Hells Angels both had a presence in Canada after 1977. A group of freelance entrepreneurs in Quebec coalesced into a club called the Rock Machine. The Rock Machine was the original postmodern motorcycle club. They did not wear patches. They wore rings. Some of them rode Japanese bikes. There were troubles, as Ireland had troubles. Some faction of the Rock Machine patched over to the Bandidos. A former Bandidos national officer named Edward Winterhalder has written a book about that patch over called The Assimilation. Chapter 12 of that book is titled “Painting Canada Red and White From Coast to Coast.”

The Toronto Chapter of the Bandidos, according to Peter Edwards, started when about a dozen members of the Loners Motorcycle Club in Ontario became Bandidos late in 2001. At around the same time a larger number of Loners was patching over to the Hells Angels. Edwards explanation, which rings true, is that most of the new Bandidos had already been rejected by the Angels and the Outlaws. Some faction of Bandidos was eager for warm bodies and these former Loners volunteered. The new chapter seemed to have more support from Bandidos in Europe than from their club brothers in the United States. But the Toronto chapter was supposed to report to the big club in the States.

Real Bandidos

The tragedy of the No Surrender Crew is that they wore Bandidos patches and were very devoted and loyal Bandidos but they never quite integrated into Bandidos Nation. In the background of all of this a gentleman named George Wegers became Presidente of the Bandidos and moved the club headquarters from Texas to Washington. Wegers, the ATF eventually claimed, knew about a patch pulling party in Montana which got him accused of conspiracy to commit murder, kidnapping, witness tampering, extortion and violent crime in aid of racketeering. Wegers was arrested in June 2005 and released from custody in October 2006. The Shedden massacre occurred while Wegers was locked up.

One of the Loners who patched over to the Bandidos in 2001 was a likable former prize fighter named Giovanni “John” “Boxer” Muscedere. Another Loner patch over was a petty criminal and homicidal fruit loop named Wayne “Weiner” Kellestine. The men were close friends and by mutual agreement Kellestine was always the louder and more important of the two.

Muscedere And Kellestine

Muscedere was a thug with a heart of gold. He was never a criminal except in the broadest possible use of that word. He was a first generation Canadian. His parents were Italian. He held the same blue collar job for 20 years. He was brave and loyal to his friends. After he became a Bandido he found the love of his life. He liked to call her his “Proud Bandido Old Lady.” They had a child. And Muscedere was apparently dumber than dirt.

Nevertheless, despite being a dunce, Muscedere became el Presidente of all the Canadian Bandidos in June 2002. Edwards never brings it up but it is hardly a secret that George Wegers was an enthusiastic proponent of Bandidos expansion. So Muscedere became leader of all the Bandidos in Canada because somebody had to hold down the job. At the time there might have been as many as 20 Bandidos in Canada. And Weiner Kellestine probably would have been a candidate for the job of el Presidente too, except at the time Kellestine was in prison.

When Kellestine was released in August 2004 Muscedere named him national Sargento de Armas. Rather than feeling grateful Kellestine was disappointed to find himself so far down the totem pole. That summer was also about the time that Muscedere decided to expand his club into Western Canada.

Dysfunctional Chapter

Which is how the third moron entered this tragedy. Muscedere miraculously managed to establish a probationary chapter in Winnipeg. The President of the Winnipeg chapter was a grandiose and deluded former cop named Michael “Taz” Sandham. Like many of the characters in this story, Sandham became a Bandido because no other club would have him. In one of his few successful attempts at wit, Edwards remarks that Sandham should have refused to become a member of any club that would allow him to join.

Meantime, back in Toronto, Muscedere was busy running one of the sorriest motorcycle club chapters of all time farther and farther into the ground. It was not that Muscedere was a bad guy because he was not. The problem was he became President because he had fast hands not a fast head. He was just one of those guys who couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse with a fist full of hundreds.

The patch holders and prospects were not bad guys either even though half of them never seem to have had motorcycles. They just all sincerely wanted to be Bandidos. Some of them, like a guy named James “Ripper” Fullager were bikers’ bikers but he was dying of cancer. So month after month the chapter never went anywhere. The Winnipeg chapter never got off probationary status so Taz Sandham never really got patched. Weiner Kellestine dreamed of starting his own London, Ontario chapter and that never got off the ground.

We Have A Problem Here

Because Muscedere was never very good at collecting dues, or sending letters, or emails or at spelling or grammar or arithmetic, because of all that, the rest of Bandidos Nation had no idea whatsoever what was going on in Canada. A man in Texas named Bill Sartelle, the Secretario of Bandidos World, and apparently a very decent, patient and capable man, tried to find out but he could hardly get a straight answer out of Muscedere or anybody else in the No Surrender Crew.

“Seems like we have a problem here” Sartelle emailed in November, 2004. “You can’t come here, we can’t come there, but you do not want to answer any questions. There are issues that need to be resolved. I have made attempts to get these answers, but you have not.”

Canadian members started going behind each other’s backs. The big club was surprised to learn that Muscedere had established a Winnipeg chapter. When the big club threatened to shut the Canadians down the No Surrender Crew replied with a chorus of protest that they loved being Bandidos. They could never imagine not being Bandidos. They lived to be Bandidos. Another element of the tragedy is that every word of those protests was undoubtedly true.

You Talkin’ To Me

In October 2005 Sartelle wrote, “Well there is no easy way to put this, but I have been instructed to contact someone in Canada and find out why we have been getting no contact. Canada has not been meeting the requirements of belonging to this club, under the United States. I want to know how this can be remedied immediately. If I am wrong then explain. There are many criteria involved with Club Membership. One is monthly contact and mail sent to USA National Chapter.”

Two months later Muscedere sent out a mass email to his club brothers around the world.


“For the past year or more,” Sartelle replied, “we, BMC USA, have attempted to make connections with Canada…. Up until now there has been no visit from the proper person. It has been decided that due to lack of participation, Canada’s Charter is being pulled. Effective immediately: Return all Bandido patches and property….”

“I’m sitting here feeling confused, dejected, emotionally drained,” a Toronto chapter patch holder named Bam Bam Salerno wrote back to Sartelle. “You see Bill, I’ve been with this GREAT NATION since its inception in Ontario…. We have been decimated with betrayal, defection to other clubs, law enforcement, but We stood tall and wear our colors proud…. Bill, being a Bandido in good standing is my world. Quite frankly I resent having to go through this. I have always done the nation proud.”


Under New Management

The big club in Texas obviously did everything possible to try to treat whoever the Canadian Bandidos were decently. At one point Bandidos USA told the Canadians they could all remain Bandidos, including the chapter in Winnipeg, if only a patch holder named George “Crash” Kriarakis would take over the club. But all of that evaporated and good hearted, brave as a lion, totally incompetent Boxer Muscedere kept running things.

Eventually Kellestine and Sandham decided to take over the Canadian club. Those two set up a meeting in Peace Arch Park which straddles British Columbia and Washington. A Bandidos national officer named Peter “Mongo” Price sat on one side of the border and the two Canadians sat on the other. Kellestine and Sandham proclaimed their devotion to the big club and in return, Edwards thinks, Price told them they could stay and the Winnipeg chapter could stay and a London chapter could be established but the embarrassingly dysfunctional Toronto chapter had to go. All the Toronto Bandidos but Kellestine were to have their patches pulled.

Sandham drove members of his chapter from Winnipeg to Ontario to help with the patch pulling. Edwards seems to think the No Surrender Crew died because Sandham got antsy and shot one of the Toronto Bandidos. And he and Kellestine had decided in advance that if they killed one they would have to kill them all.

The Killings

The No Surrender Crew never had a clubhouse. So eight of them went to the Friday night church meeting at Kellestine’s barn in the country near London and they all died there. It might have taken as long as five hours to kill eight men. The source for most of the details of what happened that night is a former Winnipeg prospect who has only been identified as MH.

Boxer Muscedere laughed as he died and Edwards seems not to have a clue about whether that was out of bravado or an appreciation for the ridiculousness of being murdered by his best friend. None of the victims seemed able to comprehend that their club brothers were killing them. Not the dreaded Hells Angels or the police or some gangster but their club brothers were killing them.

According to MH’s testimony, none of them ever seemed to be able to comprehend what was happening. They all seemed to think that they were being asked to die for their club so they did. Some of them apologized before they died. Some of them wanted to shake hands with their killers. Some of them wanted their murderers to make sure their families were comforted.

This was a Coen brothers’ movie. Hour after hour this went on. They all seemed convinced they were taking one for the club. If you understand how important a club can become to one’s identity it is even possible to understand Kellestine and Sandham. The Bandidos was their only chance. No other club wanted them. They killed most of the club in order to save it.

And, if you have ever been in a club you probably know exactly what these men died thinking. They died thinking they were going to get a club funeral. They all died thinking of a long line of bikes, ridden by fierce and loyal men, bullying and growling their way through the streets and making the ground shake all the way to the cemetery. But none of them got a club funeral. All of them died out bad.

The old biker in the crew, Ripper Fullager who had started riding with The Wild Ones in the 60s before patching with the Black Diamond Riders and the Loners, only missed church that Friday night because he was too sick to attend. He died a few days after the murders. No Bandidos attended his funeral. Out of respect for him and who he was and who he had been, two Canadian Hells Angels paid their respects.

The story of the Shedden massacre has been largely ignored in the United States. Peter Edwards book is only available in Canada. So you have to buy it from Amazon’s Canadian site.

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53 Comments For This Post

  1. Doc Jones Says:

    Amazing!! What a story!! It’s these type of things that occur that should make any of you who want to wear a patch to take notice. You better make damn sure that the club you want to join is what you believe it to be. Also, keep in mind that the way the club is today just might change tomorrow. I’m not saying to not wear a patch. I’m saying to make sure that you know what your getting into. Will you be able to attend church and the mandatory runs? Will you be able to fit family and a job into the picture? Can you afford to pay for your patch and stay current on your dues? Would you go on a mission if asked or told? just a few things to consider.


  2. Peter Edwards Says:

    You rip off my book in an attempt to gather facts, get several of them wrong, and them slam me. You clearly don’t have a clue about the personalities involved. Kellestine for national president? What a joke. I hope you enjoyed frying whatevere is between your ears.

  3. Grumbler Says:

    And, if you wear a patch on your back, you can damn well bet that someone, somewhere at sometime is going to take it very personal
    for one reason or another.

  4. Rebel Says:

    Dear Peter Edwards,

    Thanks for reading. Thanks for commenting.

    I believe it is YOUR IDEA that Kellestine was jealous of Muscedere. I do not think I ripped off your book. The most extensive quotes, were in the public record. And, I did tell people how to buy your book, which is not yet published in the states. I just said that it is not a very good book and that I do not think you are a very good writer. I do not think you are very insightful into the world you are writing about. If you think I was tough on you maybe you should talk to Kurt Sutter and Jay Dobyns. When you finally sober up, if you ever do, maybe you should read the review again.


  5. Mikonos Says:

    Peter, I’m buying the book….we can all judge for ourselves.

    You are by far the tallest midget among the club writers out there in Rebels judgment so I would take as praise



  6. Jabba Says:

    >> Edwards, I think our host has guaranteed you some sales you probably would never have had.

    A lot of us know a bit about Shedden, but I never knew about your book. Now I’m going to pick up a copy to see for myself.

    I’d say you owed Rebel a Thank You, for publicising your work, rather than shooting your mouth off after misunderstanding his story.

    Have seen one or two of the Rock Machine out this way, ALVALM fellas, keep the wind in your face.


  7. Square Verbose Doc Says:

    Dear Rebel:

    I can’t fail to be impressed at your ability to bring writers out of the woodwork with unfavorable reviews of their work; first Sutter, and now this guy. Could you bring yourself to pan some famous deceased authors? I for one would like to see what happens when James Joyce meets Fayettenam Hoe. It’s like in that movie; “if you pan them, they will come.”


  8. YYZ Skinhead Says:

    Yet another to add (eventually) to my library of “Books I Read Because of Rebel’s Site”.

    YYZ Skinhead

  9. Marine Rider Says:

    Jesus Peter, step back from the ledge a little. I for one ordered the book based on Rebel’s review, because he did say, regardless of writing style, it is a compelling story. So after you calm down a bit, you can thank the man for at least one sale.

    The joyous mood over that hockey gold medal didn’t last very long, did it?

  10. Big Bagel Says:

    Wow, writing reviews is a blood sport on this site. A couple of Norman Mailers without the talent.

  11. DOCB Says:

    what a total wanker and possibly even a fucktard

  12. RVN69 Says:

    Yeah, what DOCB said!!

  13. Rebel Says:

    Dear SVD,

    Actually, I have two books by my bed right now. Alex Caine’s The Fat Mexican, about the Shedden Massacre. I am going to enjoy writing a review of that one. And Ulysses. Let me tell you Doctah. James Joyce ain’t walking though that door.

    your pal,

  14. Doc Jones Says:


    You sure got that right!! Well said!!


  15. Grumbler Says:

    Doc Jones – can’t take credit for it as it’s from an ex-one percenter 15-years ago that resonated with me. I inadvertently left that out. We all hear and read things that, after a bunch of years, sometimes lose their roots and become a part of us.

  16. bob Says:

    Yo Rebel. According to Barnes and Noble ,”The Fat Mexican” is not available until September 14.So how did you scam a copy?Publishers know how to get a hold of you and front you stuff?

  17. Rebel Says:

    Dear Bob,

    Illegal, contraband copy. Smuggled in inside a couple of keys. ICE never caught on.


  18. BigV Says:

    The Fat Mexican was supposed to be published in Sept 2009. It was available for a while on one site as an Ebook until RH(or their lawyers) pulled the download.

    I have also seen a hardback with a different cover design then what is currently shown on most book sites.

    In addition, I know advance copies are starting to trickle out.

    Or like the man said, it was a bad cut on a couple of keys.

    -BigV in ‘Bama

  19. GUSTO Says:

    LoL!! i agree SVD and YYZ Skinhead.

    i just finished reading “Befriend & Betray” by Alex Caine because of this site. i dont know why all these writers are all mad about, Rebels making them money..i wonder if Alex Caine is gonna write in here after Rebel writes his review about his new book??
    Hey Rebel i dont know if you read “Befriend & Betray” but if you did, do you think that ambush really happend???

  20. Snow Says:

    I don’t understand the idea of buying books from people who either know nothing about the subject or rat cops looking to increase their bankroll by pedaling bullshit in print, could someone who buys these books explain this to me. I may read it if it’s laying around, I work with a lot of new riders who eat this shit up, but I would think most readers here would be apposed to financing these fuckers retirement…

  21. Grumbler Says:

    Gusto – those biker books are usually available (not all titles) at public libraries at no charge.

    I did buy the out-of-print “Free Wheelin’ Frank” by Frank Reynolds paperback which is a classic. It’s an ex$pen$ive book with original cover.

    Google “Iron Rain” by Alex Wade. It’s biker fiction, but got good to great reviews. It’s on my bookshelf although I haven’t read it yet.
    The Mammoth Book of Bikers edited by Arthur Veno is like the Reader’s Digest version of biker books.

  22. DocB Says:

    Dear Snow;
    I agree 100% about not supporting these lumps that exploit the life.
    You can buy most of these books used on line and the exploiters don’t profit from additional sales.

    They put out a lot of shit that in most cases does us no favors, but looking at the differences between reality and their bull shit is somewhat educational.

    You’re also right about some of the younger guys reading bull shit and thinking it’s how the life works. There’s a good book for them on Rebel’s list. It’s called…The Rebels…A Brotherhood Of Outlaw Bikers. Author is Daniel R Wolf.

    The Book is a bit dated. The author patched into the club with their full knowledge that he was an author. It’s honest and fairly straight forward. All clubs are different but most share the same basic principals. This book is writen respectfully looking at life from inside. The other books are all writen by rats or outsiders. This book is pretty boreing if you’ve been around clubs much as a member or even as a respected hang-around.


  23. Grumbler Says:

    DocB – my local library has The Rebels. Read it a few years ago. It’s a good book. BTW, Daniel R. Wolf is also an anthropologist.

    Guess it’s no coincidence that all of the anti-biker books written by rats and outsiders are located in the True Crime aisle.

  24. RVN69 Says:

    Just my opinion and we all know about opinions, but as a S/A with my club it is my resposibility to know what is going on, I include this to mean I should be up to date on what efforts are being made by ATF/FBI ect to infiltrate clubs and to be aware of how the have done it in the past to protect my club. I buy these books used so money does not go to the Fed/Rat that has written it. Disclaimer, my club is not involved in any criminal activity, however the feds don’t seem to need actual involvement in order to indict people.
    Respect to all that have earned it
    Si vis Pacem, Parabellum

  25. Rebel Says:

    Dear Gusto,

    You know I bet I will touch on that in a feature review that I will throw up, oh let’s see, probably Monday. Have you ever been on the 95 south of Needles? It is mostly a crappy, two-lane road through the low lying Sacramento Mountains. It is the major truck route connecting Interstate 40 and Interstate 10. If you are taking a load from Vegas to Phoenix you are probably going to scoot down the 95 on the California side. Traffic always backs up at Lobecks Pass. Two law enforcement agencies out there, the Chippies and the San Barneydeo Sheriffs. I think, in general, the Chippies are pretty uncorruptable. Do you think it is even possible that the ambush Caine describes took place?


  26. bob Says:

    So does this mean you’ll provide a heads-up on Kerrie Droban’s “Age of Fire” well ahead of the October store date?

  27. not-a-hippie Says:

    Nice job, Rebel.

    Ya know, after I washed out of the HA prospect program in the mid-’70s because of a major drug abuse problem, I never even considered patching with another club. It was the Hells Angels or nothing for me.

    I would have been better off with a patch. The men who went on to get patched are still there, working, riding, raising their families (grandkids!), and wearing that patch. Good men all.

  28. Snow Says:

    I have a couple of Sonny Barger’s books, who’s earned respect and the Mammoth Book of Bikers in my stash and have read and want to acquire the early Pagan book, I think it called Riding on the Edge, these guys live or lived the ride for no reason but for the love of it. I can see the idea of buying used to fuck over the author though. RVN69, a good point that I hadn’t considered, especially if the rat fuck’s not going to make any money of the sale, thanks for the input….I’ve read the Queen book and one of the Bird Brain books as well as Doc’s book, none of which I purchased. I work 6 wks on 3 wks off and come across all kinds of reading material on board….ride safe, stay free

  29. Rebel Says:

    Dear Bob,

    Probably not. I am pretty sure I will not be getting any advance copies from St. Martin’s Press. I was told by a fine, young literary salesman in New York that St. Martin’s rejected my proposal for a book on the Mongols case because they thought I was naive and lacked expertise. Also nobody got the title “Out Bad.” “Out Bad” makes no sense. Why not call it “Monsters Out Of Mongolia: The Incredible and Harrowing True Saga of the How America’s Toughest Cops Brought Down the Worst Gang in the West.” So, St. Martin’s, probably not.

    You know, I always got to get the last word and shit. And, you may not have noticed this, but I can be kind of insulting and offensive and stuff. So, you know. St. Martin’s. I don’t think so.

    Possibly my new friend Peter Edwards will get a review copy and when he is done with his he can forward it to me.

    But, don’t hold your breath. In the meantime we will always have Alex Caine.

    your pal,

  30. YYZ Skinhead Says:


    What you said. Books written by rats and pigs I buy used, usually from Amazon. Books written by real bikers (e.g. Sonny Barger and Tobie Levingston) I buy new, of course.

    YYZ Skinhead

  31. bob Says:

    Snitch,rat,”infil-traitor” books are relatively quick reads ,not War-and-fuckin’-Peace.Hell,read ‘em in the comfort of the corporate conglomerates that drove out the family-owned bookstore. and there’s probably free wi-fi.

  32. not-a-hippie Says:

    Hey, I got the Kindle 2 and will never look back. Not everything is on Kindle, but soon it will be like Google. If you aren’t on it, you’re nothing.

  33. Justme Says:

    Someone sent me a copy of this book by email and the only thing i could think was how could you pay money for this everything in the book was posted on the internet in the news, its just condensed into one book. Because of my boredom time i searched and found a news story for every page in the book. The only thing in the book I couldnt confirm in news reports was the story line of some big amount of cocaine that was found that part sounds like someones fantasy to me.

  34. GUSTO Says:

    Thanks Rebel!!

    Thats funny, San “Barneydo”

  35. BigV Says:

    Justme: Alex Caine’s book is worse. The history of the Bandidos chapter is a retread of old bullshit that LE fed that asshole Yves Lavigne. The rest of it is a little bit of his infiltration story that he played out in Befriend and Betray. Then it is pure retread after pure retread from the news- nothing new.

  36. Peter Edwards Says:

    I wish you would make an effort to get your facts right. It didn’t come out the day after the trial. Caine’s did. My book came out on February 2, 2010, because I wanted it to include what happened in the trial. Check yourself by googling. Also, it’s called “The Bandido Massacre,” not “the Shedden Massacre” as you say in one of your postings. How tough is that to get right? You can get accurate material at

  37. DirtyBruin Says:

    Peter Edwards: Gee … what is that I see there under your skin? :)

  38. Swampy Says:

    Peter Edwards, thanks for the link. Although, neither will I be buying nor reading your book. Don’t feel so bad, I also refuse to read Alex Caine and Ed Winterhalder (and he was a BANDIDO as I’m sure your’re aware). However, as far as Winterhalder is concerned, anyone that has to “create” a publishing company just to get their book in print……need I say more?

    Rebel, thank you for your service. Maybe you can keep a few more sheeple from “eating up” these ill written bullshit books.

  39. Rock Says:

    Based on Rebel’s review I also read Peter’s book. I felt it was a well written, complicated book and I felt as if I knew the parties involved after I finished it. It was very descriptive and informative. I also read Alex Caine’s book on the same subject. I can’t wait to hear Rebel’s take on that one. I did buy Peter’s book new (since he’s not a rat bastard, just a newspaper hack), but Caine’s I bought used. Peter, that’s two sales you’ve gotten from the guys on this site. A thank you to Rebel would be in order. If Rebel hadn’t clued me in about the Canadian Amazon site I wouldn’t have been able to find this book. However,I have noticed that it is now also available at the Amazon US site.
    Rebel, I’m still trying to figure out just what kind of agent this Caine prick is. From what I remembered (and I don’t have the book in front of me) he is not a federal agent. He is some kind of free lance, soldier of fortune, backstabbing, professional snitch. I would like to hear your insider’s explanation on him.

  40. Rock Says:

    After posting my last comment at 8:37 EST, I noticed the post indicated 4:27 am. I know that there is a three hours time difference between east and west, but where did that extra hour come from?
    Just curious.

  41. DocB Says:

    Hi Rock
    Daylight Savings Time ?

    Yer Pal

  42. Rock Says:

    Thanks Doc, however there still should only be three hours difference. We are on daylight savings time too.
    With respect,

  43. DocB Says:

    Thanks Rock

    Sometimes it’s all too much for my little pea sized brain to figure out

    yer pal

  44. Not Surprised Says:

    Peter, fuck you for coming here and disrespecting this community.

  45. Not Surprised Says:

    Alex Caine is the Kitty Wells of biker-tall-alls. Undoubtedly, some of his exploits are fact based but since he has outlived his own viability as a mercenary paid informant there is now no recourse or taint to his future credibility as a witness, thus he flat out lies to sell books.

  46. Rebel Says:

    Dear Not Surprised,

    And, here comes the Alex Caine story.

    your pal,

  47. jimmy Says:

    rebel I am a retired mongol 13 years in club. need a lil help here. I was assaulted by a tire man that does busness with township of west deer township. the man assaulted me when i was seated i my pickup truck. get this as i was turning key in ignition switch he reached through my window grabed me by throat n shirt to harm me. stupid man. in selfdefence he got stabbed. i left scene all his employees came running i decided to split bad scene. I as arrested he got stiches.I was picked up shortly afterwards. what kind of crap is this? this township is north east of pittsburgh pa. my trial date july 12 2010 publish this retired mongol jimi. oh whitness affraid of police west deer twp. what has become of justice in our country?

  48. Freeman Says:

    It was the largest massacre since the lennoxville purge by the angels.

    the rock machine formed in 86 closely after the massacre of the angels north chapter, by salvatore cazzetta after he refused to join the angels because of that, his childhood friend Maurice mom boucher joined the angels and became president of the montreal chapter (pryor to that both where in a small local club called the ss) the two clubs coexisted peacefully, until cazzetta was sentenced to jail in 1994 for cocaine import.

    Shortly after, the gruesome turf war that claimed 160+lives beetween the angels and the rock machine began, the rock machine became a probationary club of the banditos 4 years later to try and survive, patched in 2000 to the banditos, after the bandito massacre banditos canada closed down and so did this chapter.

  49. YYZ Skinhead Says:

    “homicidal fruit loop” — I have no idea why but this had me cracking up and still produces that effect..

    YYZ Skinhead

  50. Sharky Boneater Says:

    I been riding for 40 years, been around 1% ers my whole life. That Edwards book was a brutal joke of trying to explain or fathom the life of real outlaws and free men. I laughed out loud several times then poured bbq sauce on it and let my pitty rip it to shreds. He threw up an hour later.

  51. amband Says:

    quote ” Edwards remarks that Sandham should have refused to become a member of any club that would allow him to join. ”

    a play on words from Oscar Wilde

  52. jj solari Says:

    re: edwards – i would have to say, reading the letters to this site by the writer critiqued by the owner of this site, that the owner of this site’s estimates of the writer to this site’s writing ability is accurate.

  53. Rebel Says:

    Dear jj solari,

    Thank you for your support.


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