Are The Mongols Pleas Legal

March 2, 2010

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Seventeen months into the war of legal attrition called United States versus Ruben “Doc” Cavazos and others; after three Judges, two United States Attorneys, and at least 62 plea agreements; thirteen months after the first of those plea deals, with Doc Cavazos, was signed on January 22, 2009; a week after Doc’s current attorney asked to take another look at his client’s guilty plea; a month after the last of those plea deals, with William Owens, was signed on February 1, 2010; with six of those agreements still sealed; it might finally be appropriate to consider how many of those plea and sentencing deals are actually legal under the laws of the United States of America.

RICO

The Mongols case is being prosecuted as a federal case under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) statute. RICO was named for an imaginary gangster in an old movie and the original intent of the law was to prohibit “organized crime” from going legitimate and therefore hiding behind the legal technicality of innocence.

Until the Reagan Administration, the law was aimed at the so called Italian “Mafia” and the meaning of “enterprise” within the law was understood to mean a legitimate business that had been corrupted by “organized crime.” In 1981, the Supreme Court redefined the law by redefining what the word “enterprise” meant within that law. After the decision US v. Turkette in 1981, “enterprise” was interpreted to mean the “organized criminal organization” itself. And, that was when RICO began to be used against motorcycle clubs.

Most crimes committed by members of motorcycle clubs are state crimes: Minor and serious assaults up to and including murder, possession and sale of contraband, a boyish fascination with things that go boom, intoxication, disorderliness and the violation of numerous traffic laws and so on. The RICO statute provides a gateway for self-perpetuating federal police bureaucracies, like the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, to “investigate” these clubs and connect individual, factually unconnected, events into a pattern of criminality. The connection is itself almost always a fiction.

The Infamous Sawyer Criminal Enterprise

Regular readers of this page and other literature lovers probably remember the description of a patching in ceremony by which a prospect formally joined the infamous Sawyer Criminal Enterprise.

“So Tom gave out a sheet of paper that he had wrote the oath on, and read it,” Mark Twain wrote in Huckleberry Finn. “It swore every boy to stick to the band, and never tell any of the secrets; and if anybody done anything to any boy in the band, whichever boy was ordered to kill that person and his family must do it, and he musn’t sleep till he had killed them and hacked a cross in their breasts, which was the sign of the band. And nobody that didn’t belong to the band could use that mark, and if he did he must be sued, and if he done it again he must be killed. And if anybody that belonged to the band told the secrets, he must have his throat cut, and then have his carcass burnt up and the ashes scattered all around, and his name blotted off the list with blood and never mentioned again by the gang, but have a curse put on it and be forgot, for ever.

“Everybody said it was a real beautiful oath, and asked Tom if he got it out of his own head. He said, some of it, but the rest was out of pirate books, and robber books, and every gang that was high-toned had it.”

The Infamous Mongols Criminal Enterprise

It is quite possible that if the government locked Tom Sawyer up for a year, took everything he owned away from him, and threatened him with 20 more years of the same he would willingly confess to being a “person employed by and associated with the Sawyer criminal enterprise, which enterprise engaged in and the activities of which affected interstate and foreign commerce, unlawfully and knowingly combined, conspired, confederated, and agreed together and with each other to violate
Title 18, United States Code, Section 1962, that is, to conduct and participate, directly and indirectly, in the conduct of the affairs of the enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity….”

Tom’s lawyer might tell him to cop to Count One and take the three years just to get it over with. Just so he wouldn’t have to sleep on a concrete floor and eat baloney for dinner anymore. Just so he wouldn’t have to listen to Aunt Polly and Becky Thatcher sob on the phone anymore.

That is exactly what has happened in the Mongols case. The Mongols are not an organized criminal enterprise. Nobody thinks they are. Neither the ATF Agents who made the case nor the federal prosecutors who wrote the guilty pleas believe the Mongols are a racket. It is all a legal fiction to give the ATF a public relations victory and get the case finished before there is a real trial and some smart-ass lawyer starts turning over the rocks.

And, that might, theoretically be a problem. Not that it will be but it might be.

Factual Basis For A Plea

Because, in order to stick, a guilty plea must be provably true and, as of yet, the United States has not proven the existence of a “Mongols Criminal Enterprise;” possibly because there never was a “Mongols Criminal Enterprise.” The proof of the existence of that enterprise is “description” in the indictment and the obviously coerced admissions of scores of weary defendants that they were part of it.

The pattern of coercion has been almost palpable. The most photographic proof that the pleas were coerced may be the case record: A series of sealed pleas calculated to unnerve the defendants all the way up until the middle of April 2009; then the pleas began to leak out as the defendants lost hope; four pleas that April; thirteen pleas including two sealed pleas in June; four in July; two in August; eleven more in September; eleven more around the anniversary of the indictment; three pleas, one of them sealed in November; two more in December; three in January; another last month.

All of these men confessed to “predicate acts,” individual local crimes, but they all pled guilty to being racketeers. And in most, but not all these cases, the predicate acts had nothing to do with the Mongols Motorcycle Club except that the men who committed them were members of the Mongols at the time. None of the drug deals, for example, were Mongols deals. They were individual deals.

This should not be a federal case. It is a federal case only because it was investigated by the ATF. But then, the ATF has made this federal bed.

Ironically, under federal law virtually none of these men can legally confess to Count One even if they wanted to. Their confessions themselves are illegal under federal law because they are not factually true.

And, it was also a violation of Federal Rules of Procedure for their attorneys to advise them to plead guilty to the RICO charge in the first place because the actual existence of a “Mongols Criminal Enterprise” has never been proven. Advising their clients to plead guilty would have been and ethical and legal violation because at time of the pleas those attorneys knew or should have known that a legal defense to the RICO charge existed. And that defense would have been a simple demand that the prosecution prove that such a racket factually existed in the first place.

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44 Responses to “Are The Mongols Pleas Legal”

  1. Apostle Says:

    All,
    My comment was meant to be ironic! The point is – bikers are not idiots, but the government is making them out to be.
    Sorry for the confusion. I’ll try to avoid irony or sarcasm in the future. Apologies to all who misunderstood & got angry. Believe me, I am on your side.

  2. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    wow !!!! and there was no hurry too plead guilty if they did so . But I am not in there place. Stay strong

    Respect, Steve

  3. FTF Says:

    I think as of yesterday all the agreements became pleas in front of Carter. Or at least that’s what I was told.

  4. Rebel Says:

    Dear proudmongolwife,

    Your husband has not made a plea. He has made an agreement. The plea is when he stands in front of the judge and says, “Yeah, sure, whatever.” He bought a car. He can take the car back. The salesman might argue with him but he can still take the car back.

    I really, really do not want to screw up anybody’s case. Take what I say with a grain of salt. But fourteen years is a very long stretch. Child rapists do like five. How many orphanages do they say your husband burned down? How many of the orphans actually died and how many were only maimed?

    Twelve to 14 is like nine and a half to eleven for real. If 12 to 14 is the upside, you need to consider the downside. What is the downside? Life? Thirteen to fifteen? One problem with plea deals is that they really complicate your appeal. That is part of the deal. Limited rights of appeal. Right? Look at his deal. What does it say under the heading “limited rights of appeal?” Has your husband, not the lawyer but your husband, has he seen all the evidence against him?

    I have to ask you this. Do they have a hidden charge against him? Is there something he is afraid they are going to hit him with?

    It is like buying a sham wow. If you agree to this plea right this minute we will guarantee that you will do no more than 14? Call quick. This deal won’t last.

    Please! That deal won’t be there in June?

    Maybe it won’t be. If it won’t be and it is the best you can do you have to take it. Have you talked to another lawyer? What do people in your husband’s situation usually get?

    I am just asking, okay? What does you husband get for agreeing not to go to trial and agreeing not to put Ciccone and Kozlowski and Carr and Gaioni and Doc and all the CIs on the stand? The government gets a major conviction. The prison system gets to feed on another convict. What does your husband get?

    I don’t know what they have on your husband. Maybe his lawyer is Perry Mason. I don’t know. The only question I have is why should he be in a hurry to give his freedom away? If you are drowning, do you keep trying to stay afloat or do you surrender to the sea? How do you live your life?

    It is your call and his call. Just don’t be afraid. He is brave. You are brave. If you stay brave you will figure out the right thing to do. Don’t panic. Make the smart move.

    Ask yourself, what is the smart move? Is it smart to take this plea now? Is the government really holding all the cards?

    I am sorry you have to go through this. Very sorry. You are not alone in the world.

    Rebel

  5. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    FTF,
    Great two cents. Amazing mess with are system. Seems RICO has turned into a game for the feds .
    Respect , Steve

  6. bystander Says:

    proudmongolwife,

    sister, my prayers are with you and your hubby and family. i do not know if the plea can be recinded, but i would talk to the lawyer about it quickly. when it came time for my husband to sign his plea, he read it to me over the phone. we didn’t like some of the wording in it and i told him not to sign anything that was a downright lie. i got madder the more i thought about it and i wrote the lawyer an email that night. i told him in no uncertain terms which things HAD to be taken out of it. he re-wrote it, took it to my husband along with a copy of my email. my husband read both, said “that’s MY woman!” and signed the deal. what’s sad is that the state people never looked for the truth in his case, they railroaded him…the federal lawyer found the main witness to his so called crime who signed a statement saying my husband didn’t do it. but this judge wouldn’t hear any of the lawyer’s arguments to lowering his sentencing level. so he got what he got and we’re just grateful to have the light at the end of the tunnel. as i said, my prayers are with you!

    sledtramp,
    you feel like family, much love and respect.

    rebel,
    great posting, as usual!

  7. FTF Says:

    Here is my two cents. What I know via my attorney is that this was a very winnable case, but the problem with that is that everyone would have to stick together. At some point it becomes clear that there is not going to be enough defendants left to try this case. Meaning once the number of defendants drop to say like 10 or 12, the focus is not on a group but more on individuals and the predicate acts themselves. Sadly as it was presented to me the defense attorneys in this case have begun to panic with the loss of Cooper. So in hearing that one would assume that the case is more than a gamble at this point, especially for those with let’s say 10yr mandatory minimums, and the offer on the table is for half that with a possibility of a downward departure to less time even. It’s simple math, when the lawyer says this is it, you know he’s given up or just don’t care to work period, and there is not much else you can do but take the plea really. For a lot early on I know they had horrible lawyers and had no choice, others were luckier, but in the end I doubt the US attorney is going to let this go to trial. If it does I doubt that the defense council is going to put up much of a fight. Good job Rebel, and thanks for all you do bro.

  8. cool hand luke Says:

    I want to say thanks for this site your time and comments rebel it is much appericeated

  9. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    Ty Rebel

    In my opinion and only mine I feel the Mongols had lil if any defense at all . Does anyone know if any brother had a private lawyer or what % had public defenders ?

    Respect, Steve

  10. Rebel Says:

    Dear AnarchyFactory,

    In legal cases, you are a member of a club if the government says you are. Under trademark law, you are a member if other members of the club say you have the right to wear club indicia or marks.

    Okay?

    your pal,
    Rebel

  11. proudmongolwife Says:

    REBEL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I WILL ASK QUESTIONS CAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME AND MY HUSBAND THAT THE LAWYER ISNT REALLY DOING TOO MUCH TO COME IN HIS DEFENSE! HIS CHARGES ARE DRUG CONSPIRACY, HE NEVER HANDED DOPE OVER TO ANY UCI. I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THE HIGH PLEA OF 12-14 YRS. MY HUSBAND ALSO SAID THAT HE FEELS LIKE TAKING HIS PLEA BACK. IS THAT POSSIBLE?

  12. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    Rebel,
    Let me tray to ask this question again .Legally what makes one a member of a 1% club, the wearing of colors, filling out a membership application, carrying a membership card , names listed by the clubs secretary or association with others who may or may not be members ?. JFMI
    Respect, Steve

  13. Rebel Says:

    Dear G,

    Thank you very much. Got it.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  14. Rebel Says:

    Dear proudmongolwife,

    I cannot second guess the lawyer. I am not a lawyer. It is actually illegal for me to give you legal advice. So none of this is legal advice. We are just talking.

    Look, for any defendant, there are several things a lawyer should look for. Is it provably true that a criminal conspiracy existed and your husband was part of it? Not just that he belonged to the Mongols MC. What was the criminal enterprise? Was he entrapped? Is the evidence against him mostly lies told by professional informants? Are his underlying violations, the predicate charges, felonies under state law or just misdemeanors? Are the underlying state charges provable beyond a reasonable doubt? On the conspiracy charge,what actions were taken, not talk but actions, to actually make the conspiracy real? Are the charges against your husband actually violations of the law? And. does a viable defense for any of the charges against your husband exist? Or is the lawyer just throwing in the towell?

    None of this is legal advice. This is just something to think about.

    My impression of this case from the outside looking in is that it has not been very vigorously defended. It took from October 9, 2008 for example, until June 22, 2009 before somebody pointed out to Judge Cooper that the Mongols Motorcycle Club is not actually a criminal enterprise participating in the legitimate business of selling memorabilia. The lawyer who pointed this out was not one of the defense lawyers but was David Blair-Loy from the Dago ACLU.

    I do not know how vigorously your husband’s lawyer is defending him. I am not saying he is not.

    My impression of the whole case is that it has not been very strenuously defended. From the outside looking in. Maybe I am wrong, but so far in this case I don’t think I have seen a single document concerning the voir dire of prospective jurors. Which might suggest that most of the defense attorneys have not seriously considered taking the case to court. Every time the prosecution has asked for a continuance the defense has acquiesced. I have seen, I think, exactly two motions to sever, no motions to suppress grand jury testimony and I do not think I have seen any motions to dismiss. So I don’t actually know what the defense lawyers are doing. Except negotiating plea bargains.

    I guess you can ask your husband’s lawyer what he has done to have your husband acquitted. And, I think another question to ask is, why the hurry? I know how shitty this all is for you and for him. But I think delay usually works in the defendants favor. Why plead now? Why not plead in April?

    You know, I am just wondering. Maybe you should also ask your husband’s lawyer what your husband has to gain by pleading now. If you are satisfied, do it. If you are not satisfied then you don’t have to let some guy in a thousand dollar suit push you around.

    I am very sorry. I wish I could help you in a real way. Stay strong. Keep the faith. Love and respect.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  15. proudmongolwife Says:

    Rebel, what advice can you give me to tell my husbands lawyer,cause I think my husbands plea deal is probably the highest in this case. The lawyer said he couldn’t go no lower. he goes for sentencing in less than two weeks!

  16. GUSTO Says:

    you ride a 1%er patch, a Christian patch, a Vet Patch or a Family Patch because the U.S is still a free country. It sure feels like Russia when the man arrests you for flying your colors.
    Hey Rebel, for no college degree you sure write good.

  17. proudmongolwife Says:

    Rebel,I guess u can say that some of us do jump the gun! But no one understands the hurt and pain I am going thru. I should have read the posting before I said anything. I’m just defending what is so important to me in my life! I love my husband with all my heart and no matter what happens I’m sticking by him till the his rides over!

    Much respect rebel,
    Proudmongolwife

  18. G Says:

    HEY REBEL, CI#4 IN THIS CASE IS A PAID INFOREMANT “RAT” NAME= SEAN COOPER
    MALE WHITE, HEIGHT= 5’10 WEIGHT= 230 LBS AGE=32

  19. The Creep Says:

    Rebel,

    WHAT?! The gov’ment is gonna get mad at me for having sawed off shotguns, making moonshine and awesome fireworks? Jesus Christ, talk about Johnny Funhater! What if I ride my motosickle while using all of those things? Will Torres and Ciccone themselves run after me, bringing with them the full wrath of the Automatic Transmission Fluid? Hopefully it’s Dexron and not Type F! Haha, thanks for the response Rebel. I now get that the means of this whole case does not justify the end. There isn’t one. This is just ATF oxygen. They’re doing something to continue their existance.

  20. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    After rereading i can see to be a wiser man one should slow down and take more time to read and understand where another poster is coming from. My jump my apologies.

    Respect, Steve

  21. Jabba Says:

    OK, I can go with that, would certainly not be the first time I’ve jumped to a stupid conclusion.

    Rebel>> Many thanks for putting me right.

    Apostle>> My sincerest apologies and Respect. Owe you a beer and maybe the first lumps.

    LL&R

    Jabba
    SYLO

  22. Rebel Says:

    Dear proudmongolwife, ANARCHYFACTORY and Jabba,

    Calm down now and read Apostle’s comment again. Apostle was saying that if the Mongols were really criminals they WOULD NOT wear the patch. I have ways to see where comments are coming from. Apostle is in fact a friend in need, not an enemy, not a cop, not an idiot. But a friend, who possibly did not word something as carefully as it should have been worded. But definitely a friend of many here.

    I’ll let it go at that. Love and respect.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  23. Rebel Says:

    Dear Creep,

    Where it is headed is that the ATF Agents will still have jobs tomorrow. This is the job for those guys: Fireworks, moonshine, smuggled cigarettes, felons in possession, sawed-off shotguns, unregistered firearms sales, illegal conversions, gun shows, bikers.

    I am sure Seeker of Truth will call me a liar if I missed anything. Bikers are probably the best part of an ATF Agent’s job. What would you rather do? Stake out a gun show or ride with a club and party with a club?

    Being a Special Agent in the ATF would be the most boring job in the world without bikers. The ATF will continue to go after bikers. I just hope that in some small way, I am making their job harder.

    Every time they charge RICO, I want them to have to prove it. You know how it goes. Half the time, you have to tell the lawyer what to do. Guys who wander into this page may have a slightly better idea of what they should tell their lawyers to do.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  24. Rebel Says:

    Dear Bud,

    I think if the Department of Justice is prosecuting the Mongols Criminal enterprise first they should have to define and prove that there is a Mongols Criminal Enterprise. Otherwise these are almost all state charges. No RICO. No federal case.

    Holding a leadership position in the Mongols, possessing Mongols paraphernalia, carrying money from point A to point B, talking to a guy about the drug business, working security at a run, possessing a thimble’s worth of new school, carrying a gun, getting into a fight in a club, getting into a fight at the fights? What is this? Russia?

    It is an angle on the case. I think the attorneys will handle it however they think best. All due respect to the attorneys. I am just some guy. No college degree.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  25. DocB Says:

    Probably the only way to put a stop to this out of controol shit they’re pulling is to go for the money. If you cut their budget, you cut their nuts off, they’re neutered. They’re using the huge federal budget like a hammer. They’re also using bikers against bikers. Without the money to run these operations they can’t do that. Don’t have any idea how to to take the money away, but that would sure stop it , most of it anyway.

    Respect
    Doc

  26. Jabba Says:

    Apostle >> Apparently you haven’t got the first fucking idea of what an MC is all about, but hey, no worries, you’re not the first… in fact it qualifies you to write a book or even a TV series on the subject.

    Have you ever thought of starting up as a life coach?

    To the Mongol families involved, much, much Respect.

    Proudmongolwife>> I was reading some of your posts to my old lady last night, she sat, she listend and eventually came out with, “She’s doin’ a damn sight more than she has to do, and she’s showing everybody how to fucking do it.”

    Wouldn’t argue with that, might also add something about more balls than some guys I’ve known.

    LL&R

    Jabba
    SYLO

  27. Rashomon Says:

    You would have to assume that their master plan is to intimidate people into not wanting to be club members – I would imagine that a lot of people would prefer to just ride/party with their friends rather than become patch holders and have the feds up their arses 24/7 – not the same as being part of a brotherhood by any stretch but better than vacationing at Club Fed.

    The Feds will continue with this RICO crap under the mistaken belief that clubs are like the mafia and what we need is to for somebody to set a precedent so they can’t continue with their current tactics – from reading this blog, it almost sounds like we’re getting closer to that actually happening. Good luck and God speed as they say.

  28. Rashomon Says:

    @The Creep “The master plan, at this point, is the only thing I’m having a hard time figuring out”

    You would have to assume that their master plan is to intimidate people into not wanting to be club members – I would imagine that a lot of people would prefer to just ride/party with their friends rather than become patch holders and have the feds up their arses 24/7 – not the same as being part of a brotherhood by any stretch but better than vacationing at Club Fed.

    The Feds will continue with this RICO crap under the mistaken belief that clubs are like the mafia and what we need is to for somebody to set a precedent so they can’t continue with their current tactics – from reading this blog, it almost sounds like we’re getting closer to that actually happening. Good luck and God speed as they say.

  29. proudmongolwife Says:

    SLED TRAMP, ALL I CAN SAY IS THANK YOU! YOU HAVE MY RESPECTS AS WELL! HEY ALL WE CAN DO IS THINK THE WORSE AND HOPE FOR THE BEST. I WISH ALL GOOD LUCK! ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU! *HUGS*

  30. sled tramp Says:

    proudmongolwife,
    I just felt like sayin’…Many a time I’ve consoled a brother who got a Dear John situation or caught somebody doin where they shouldn’t.Being away from family and brothers is bad enough not too mention getting bad news that shakes your base.
    Women like you are hard to find.Your dedication and love is strongly evident in a world of treachery and backstabbing.I was lucky enough to find someone like you (I married waaaayyyy up…it’s Hell for her though :-)…
    Anyways..just wanted to say I’ve grown to respect you and your sisters through your postings,have empathy for your plight and hope it gets better.
    Respect,
    sled tramp

  31. Bud Says:

    Rebel,

    Excellent article brother, Im curious to know that if this information is useful to the guys still awaiting their trial?

    Bud

  32. The Creep Says:

    I think (which might be my first problem) the government put all it’s eggs in one poorly made basket. If all defendants plead guilty to Count One, then they don’t need to prove the existence of a Mongols racket. If all parties charged admit they are part of a “criminal organization”, then it’s very, very easy to find the evidence to “prove” it. As you said yourself many times Rebel, the court dates of those trying individual attempting to bring this to trial will keep getting pushed back until they sign that piece of paper that gets them on the road to making this ordeal go away.

    The first thing a cop always tries to get you to do is admit guilt. Once you have done that, then the whole worlds is at his disposal on which to find evidence. At that point, it’s really all just to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy that the right thing was indeed done. He admitted guilt. So what if that wasn’t conclusive evidence, why would someone admit guilt if they weren’t guilty? Unfortunately, Jarhed is the voice of the everyman.

    The judges know better. But really, what can they do? At this point, their job is to bring down sentencing. I think the somewhat light sentences reflects that the judges really don’t believe all this horse shit the ATF is trying to feed them.

    So now I’m kinda curious where all this Count One non-sense is heading. It’s been made pretty clear that there are fewer and fewer people who believe that the Mongols M.C. is a racket. Is there going to be a grand trial where the United Sates hauls the entire M.C. to court? Is a judge going to make the government’s wildest dream come true and actually attempt to ban the Mongols from wearing their colors? I doubt it. The judges know damn well that it would never stick. It was hard enough get the KKK to stop wearing sheets over their faces, let alone even attempt a ban.

    The master plan, at this point, is the only thing I’m having a hard time figuring out. It really could be that the ATF is THAT stupid and really is continuing the course they charted from the beginning, not seeing the gigantic ice flows that lie right in their path. If they are that dim and self-righteous, it would make sense why the threw the Pagans into the fray without getting this case finished first. Fighting a war on two fronts really never works, but apparently the ATF never heard of a guy named Hitler. They have to know all this. I mean, this is not the same case it started as. The ones prosecuting would have to see that, because they don’t let mentally challenged people have badges and guns, right?

  33. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    Apostle,
    That was not my observation, that was my question to see what legally makes you a club member, That question was for Rebel or any member or ex member. I was looking for a legal point of view. Not a mouth full of shit remark that someone was a idiot.
    Respect Steve

  34. proudmongolwife Says:

    APOSTLE, APPARENTLY UR A FOOL TO! SEE ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THIER OWN OPINION BUT PEOPLE DONT REALIZE HOW MUCH OF AND IDIOT THEY CAN BE THEMSELVES. ITS A CLUB NOT A GANG, IF YOU NEVER ATTENDED A MONGOL FUNCTION WHO ARE YOU TO KNOW WHO THESE GUYS ARE! AND ITS IDIOTS LIKE YOU WHO MAKE THESE GUYS STRONGER! AND ONE MORE THING ITS IDIOTS LIKE YOU WHO WATCH T.V AND BELIEVE WHAT THEY FUCKIN SEE!!! HAVE A GOOD DAY!

  35. JAMES Says:

    SORRY BUT MY SPELLING AT TIMES ISN’T THE BEST, LAST POST WAS MEANT TO BE ,” GOV” NOT “FOV”

  36. JAMES Says:

    Most people or CLUBS have not the funds to fight this tyranny put on by our GOV. the FEDS have money alotted for these types of actions and use it in order to gain more for the next round with whomever they chose they want to tackle next, they know what they are doing and who to chase around, yes tax payers money should go alot less to these activities but they are as seen in REBELS PAGES or elsewhere going after MOTORCYCLE CLUBS, MONGOLS M.C. was a test for upcomings , PAGANS, and now I look for the OUTLAWS to be in line, the list is in place and I for one believe it won’t stop there, if you are not a SOCIAL CLUB or GROUP committed to kissing ass everytime a LE come by also saluting them you will eventually not survive , this NEW WORLD POLICE FORCE is just now starting to really show itself.As RVN69 put it the 80’smovies are starting to show meaning to what they were about.

  37. TigGirl Says:

    Rashamon said:
    ” …(outrageous) expenses associated with mounting a full scale legal defense. ”

    That’s what the Feds are counting on. They know the financial situation of everyone involved or connected to (insert club here) before they start the carnival games.
    Hence the case against Dave Burgess did not appear until the IRS had completed it’s portion of the “take down.”

  38. Rashomon Says:

    What really bothers me is that the ATF is going after what are essentially blue collar organizations who can least afford the (outrageous) expenses associated with mounting a full scale legal defense. The whole case (from a legal standpoint) is “run it up a flagpole and see if anyone salutes” type crap but to make them actually prove their case would send you bankrupt. Where is the ACLU in all this? We seem happy enough to fight for the rights of terrorists as they wander around the world blowing themselves up so they can fuck a virgin or whatever and yet nobody seems pissed off at how we persecute our own citizens. Sad bloody indictment of life as we know it I say.

  39. Apostle Says:

    Following up on AnarchyFactory’s observation: What kind of blooming IDIOT would sign up, pay dues, and wear patches that advertise membership in a criminal organization? According to the Government, to wear an outlaw or 1% patch is tantamount to a sign on your back saying “ARREST ME.” Who is the fool?

  40. proudmongolwife Says:

    REBEL, ALL I CAN SAY TO YOU IS WOW! JUST LIKE FATF SAID ” YOU KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK” AND I HOPE AND PRAY EVERYDAY FOR SOMETHING GOOD TO HAPPEN TO MY HUSBAND, CAUSE IN REALITY HIS CHARGES ARE JUST BULLSHIT, AND I HOPE SOMETHING GOOD HAPPENS BEFORE HE GETS SENTENCED. IM JUST SO SCARED THAT THE JUDGE WONT HAVE ANY MERCY ON HIM. BUT FOR NOW I THINK THE WORST AND JUST HOPE FOR THE BEST!!! MUCH RESPECT REBEL!!!

  41. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    Legally what makes one a member of a 1% club, the wearing of colors, filling out a membership application, carrying a membership card , names listed by the clubs secretary or association with others who may or may not be members ? JFMI
    Respect, Steve

  42. RVN69 Says:

    This the behemoth that our Federal Government has become, it gobbles up people and property and spits out their used up husks all in an orgy of expansion until it will control every aspect of our lives. I used to watch those old movies where the government would spy on people and could tell everything they ate or drank, who they could or could not talk to and think they were fantasy. 1984 really is just around the corner.
    Respect to all that have earned it
    Si vis Pacem, Parabellum

  43. sled tramp Says:

    Free all Mongols

  44. FATF Says:

    Keep up the good work Rebel!!!

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