Government Says Mongols Racket Proven

January 15, 2010

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The official government spokesman for the prosecution in the Mongols case said earlier today that the government has proved that the Mongols Motorcycle Club is a criminal organization. The spokesman also said the government still intends to confiscate the club’s patch.

So far, 61 of 79 defendants indicted on October 9, 2008 have pled guilty to Count One of that indictment. Count One states:

“Beginning on a date unknown, and continuing to on or about October 9, 2008, in Los Angeles County, within the Central District of California and elsewhere, (the) defendants and others known and unknown to the Grand Jury, being persons employed by and associated with the Mongols criminal enterprise, which enterprise engaged in and the activities of which affected interstate and foreign commerce, unlawfully and knowingly combined, conspired, confederated, and agreed together and with each other to violate Title 18, United States Code, Section 1962, that is, to conduct and participate, directly and indirectly, in the conduct of the affairs of the enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity, as that term is defined in Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1961(1) and 1961(5), consisting of multiple acts involving murder, in violation of California Penal Code Sections 31, 182, 187, 189, 217.1, and 664; robbery, in violation of California Penal Code Sections 211, 212.5(a), and 213; distribution of controlled substances, including methamphetamine and cocaine, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 841(a)(1) and 846; and multiple acts indictable under Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1956 and 1957 (money laundering). It was a further part of the conspiracy that each defendant agreed that a conspirator would commit at least two
acts of racketeering in the conduct of the affairs of the enterprise.”

Charges against one defendant, Jorge Cottini were dismissed after he died in custody. Another defendant named Peter Soto has not yet been arraigned. One defendant named in the indictment pled guilty to selling drugs but not to racketeering. Fifteen defendants await their day in court.

RICO Precedent

The United States Department of Justice has been trying to use the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) statute to outlaw motorcycle clubs since 1982. Currently, the federal government is also trying to outlaw the Pagans Motorcycle Club in a case being litigated in West Virginia.

Until now, it has been impossible to convict motorcycle clubs of racketeering because motorcycle clubs are not rackets. Motorcycle clubs are often anti-social and secretive organizations. Individual members of motorcycle clubs are often personally violent and contemptuous of laws they feel are unreasonable or that should not apply to them. Large groups of outlaw motorcyclists are often intentionally intimidating to outsiders but clubs are not rackets and most patch holders are refreshingly anti-materialistic when compared to actual racketeers.

Nevertheless motorcycle club cases can only become federal cases if a federal law can be said to be broken so for the last 30 years that law has been the RICO statute.

Most of the allegations in the current Mongols case have been for violations that should more properly be tried in state courts. Individual Mongols were accused of drug possession and sales, gun possession and sales, a shooting, at least one stabbing, menacing and several fights that were often unfair. Some of these offenses go back to 2002 and the way federal prosecutors have been able to connect them is by creating a legal fiction of racketeering.

“Predicate offenses” to which individual defendants have confessed in this case include participation in Mongols events, being elected an officer in a Mongols chapter and possession of Mongols paraphernalia. The government’s logic in the case has always been circular: The Mongols Motorcycle Club is a racket because members have pled guilty to participating in the Mongols racket because belonging to the Mongols means participating in a racket which means the Mongols Motorcycle Club is a racket.

What The Pleas May Mean

Even after the Federal Judge presiding over the case, Florence-Marie Cooper, ruled in a related civil suit that membership in the Mongols is probably a constitutionally protected right, the government continued to coerce defendants into pleading guilty to racketeering. Until now, no government spokesman or official has ever bothered to explain why the government has continued to pursue guilty pleas to Count One for the last five months.

But earlier today, Thom Mrozek the Public Affairs Officer for the United States Attorney’s Office for the Central District of California, kindly explained that even if the Mongols are not a racket the guilty pleas at least make them look like one.

“Most of the defendants named in the federal indictment have now pleaded guilty, with all of those admitting that they were part of a racketeering enterprise,” Mrozek said. “The admissions made in court by actual members of the Mongols clearly demonstrate that the motorcycle gang is a criminal organization whose members have participated in a wide range of illegal and violent activities.”

The point seems to be that image is everything and reality is only one of many competing points of view.

Government Still Wants Mongols Patch

Earlier this week in a widely republished story in the San Gabriel Valley News, John Torres, the Special Agent in charge of the Los Angeles Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) said the government still intended to seize control of the Mongols Motorcycle Club “collective membership marks.” Those marks are the name “Mongols” used to refer to a club and the club’s logo.

Last summer Judge Cooper wrote that those marks cannot be seized. She wrote:

“In contrast to commercial trademarks, which are used in commerce and generally not entitled to full First Amendment protections, collective membership marks are used by members of an organization to ‘indicate membership in a union, an association, or other organization.’ The use and display of collective membership marks therefore directly implicate the First Amendment’s right to freedom of association. The Supreme Court has recognized that ‘implicit in the right to engage in activities protected by the First Amendment’ is ‘a corresponding right to associate with others in pursuit of a wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious, and cultural ends.’ This right is crucial in preventing the majority from imposing its views on groups that would rather express other, perhaps unpopular, ideas.’ Furthermore, clothing identifying one’s association with an organization is generally considered expressive conduct entitled to First Amendment protection….”

In a confusing quote, Torres seemed to tell the News that even if the government could not legally seize collective membership marks it still wanted other motorcycle clubs to think it could. “That process is still moving forward,” Torres told the News. “No one has ‘won’ the case. It’s just the message that we want to put out to them and other gangs that may use the same type of indica to identify themselves.”

When asked today to clarify Torres’ comment, Mrozek explained, “The government continues to seek the forfeiture of the Mongols trademarks. The issue is the subject of ongoing litigation in the courts, and we will continue to fight to prevent anyone from using the trademark to indicate any affiliation with the criminal organization.”

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45 Responses to “Government Says Mongols Racket Proven”

  1. Roslyn Says:

    I rarely drop remarks, but i did a few searching and wound up here
    Government Says Mongols Racket Proven | The Aging Rebel. And I do have
    2 questions for you if you don’t mind. Is it simply me or does it give the impression like a few of the remarks appear as if they are written by brain dead people? :-P And, if you are posting at additional places, I’d like to follow anything fresh you have to post.
    Could you make a list of all of all your public sites like your twitter feed, Facebook
    page or linkedin profile?

  2. Ricky Says:

    Bottom line The fucks have got to start somewhere in order to do the same to ALL clubs,It will start with 1% clubs but will snowball eventually it’s unfortunate that The Mongols are the ones that they picked out to shit on and “set presidience”so to say but the way things have been going and them losing case after case on the RICO bullshit against clubs so they pick thier strongest state where they can get the most publicity behind them and push the envelope,Like the one “ringleader” says “even if it is not done legally They want everybody else to think that it is
    Just like the old propaganda scare tactics to the public make people think that they will get in shit just for saying hello and that lessens the public support ,wich falls to the chain reaction of the less that go around .well the less potential membership

  3. Marks Says:

    Sled Tramp,

    Hit that nail square on the head without a doubt. The one part I really would stress to all respectfully is that clubs really do need to band together against the common LEO enemy, rather then trying to fight that battle individually. The more organized and forward thinking such a united group of different clubs could be, the better the legal results should be, I would guess. Once a common defense front can be put up, I think clubs’ chances to prevail hopefully can improve. Fundraising for legal fees, bail, and a united defense strategy would be improved by this. Either way.. those in the crosshairs need to look ahead and not be a Monday morning QB as you said….

    preparation and consolidation of efforts would seem a good start, though I could not speak to any inter-club beefs that may get in the way.. maybe those in the know could comment on whether enemy clubs could put aside any such differences to work towards a common goal.. as it would seem a benefit to all clubs to be united on this front..

    Just suggestin… much respect to all

  4. Rebel Says:

    Dear Sled Tramp,

    Very nice comment. My take is it is one culture and part of the culture is tribalism. My two cents.

    Thanks for commenting.

    Rebel

  5. DocB Says:

    hey sled, nice post,

  6. Doc Jones Says:

    Sled Tramp.
    Simply an amazing post!!

  7. Damon Says:

    sled tramp

    That’s the closest thing to wisdom that I’ve seen for a while.

    Thanks

    Damon

  8. YYZ Skinhead Says:

    sled tramp,

    Not at all off the subject. Biker brotherhood is a tribal culture. Tribes of bikers are persecuted by their own governments, and betrayed by rats who are seemingly of their own kind. To “history repeats itself” I would add “there’s nothing new under the sun”.

    YYZ Skinhead

  9. One "Selfish" Bitch Says:

    Sled Tramp…very well said.

  10. sled tramp Says:

    Muck 1%er and Bud,
    Thank you for the comments.
    sled tramp

  11. Jabba Says:

    Sled> What was it you said to me a little while ago? Oh yeah…

    ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY

  12. Bud Says:

    wow sled

    thats deep

  13. sled tramp Says:

    Kinda off the subject but I’ve been meaning to mention something.Both Sitting Bull and Crazy horse were leaders of a vanishing world and epitomized freedom and leadership of tribal cultures.They were persecuted,harrassed and legally violated by the U.S. government. Ultimately, they were killed by men they had once lived and fought with,shared hardships with and trusted.Men who had then gone over to the government.They were both killed from behind by their own kind hiding in a government uniform.Both cases were eventually cleared as justifiable killings.
    History tends to repeat itself….be careful out there.
    sled tramp

  14. Muck 1%er Says:

    Sled Tramp,

    Well said.

  15. sled tramp Says:

    I like to think of this site as a kind of neutral meeting ground. Back when I was young, Santa Cruz was considered neutral ground.A place where clubs could party etc. without conflict.Nobody was allowed to claim it.People got stoned,people got happy,people got along…
    If there’s anything we’ve seen on this page, it’s that the government wants to eradicate clubs through a type of cultural genocide.Yet, despite their efforts, clubs can survive and as noted above, become stronger much like a bone heals stronger after the break.You might limp a little, but it’ll be fine.
    I get kind of pissed off at folks that run down clubs on this page.We all know patchholders,were or are patchholders and we obviously have enough collective history to understand what’s bullshit and what’s useful.People are gonna rag…that’s nature. But as much as possible,I’d like to see us try to edjumacate newbies or at least handle bullshit with some class.Everyone reads this page,some hover, there’s more of one club than another usually,but it should be a place where we can interact anonymously without anything more than minor disagreements.This is one of the few places to get input from clubs that have major disagreements.Hey, we stand together or we go down together.We can have our street attitudes but here we should work together.Put it this way, I know guys in major clubs that fuckin HATE each other’s colors.Go to guns baby…but the funny thing is, over a beer, a joint or in a car reflecting, we all have the same thoughts,the same ideas and the same needs and goals.I like your sled, you like my dog, I like your wife…I’m not playing Sunnybrook la la farm here.We’re a small culture, we want territories, we have business that we ain’t gonna share,but we also share a common enemy.And ya know what they say,”The enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
    I’d like to see more input of a preemptive nature than just playing angry monday morning quarterbacking.That’s not a bitch, I just don’t how to put it.Today it’s the clubhouse down the street.Tomorrow it might be your door, ya know?
    One “Selfish” Bitch: I’d LOVE a Corona.Thank you for the mention. that was nice of you.
    sled tramp

  16. sled tramp Says:

    “As long as there are real men and real motorcycles there will be real brotherhood”.

    Amen to that…….

  17. 10Guage Says:

    In a confusing quote, Torres seemed to tell the News that even if the government could not legally seize collective membership marks it still wanted other motorcycle clubs to think it could. “That process is still moving forward,” Torres told the News. “No one has ‘won’ the case. It’s just the message that we want to put out to them and other gangs that may use the same type of indica to identify themselves.”

    I think this clearly explains their working strategy. Hassle, Harass, Shake up…what ever you want to call it, it is the same thing they have been doing forever. The goal is to get rid of clubs. By any means necessary. Make guys quit, arrest them, get them killed, fuck with their families, get them to wreck…Ya know all in a days work. Hassle, Hassle, Hassle. Stir up internal and external rivalries. They want to make it so it isn’t any fun. The thing they don’t get and will never get is: Having fun with your brothers is just one small aspect of club life. Struggle and strife is a part of life. It comes with the territory. Eventually this out of control approach is going to back fire. And clubs just get stronger and stronger. Where I am from the heat was so bad in the 60s many guys left the area. Now some 50 years later those same clubs are back. They are even stronger, organized, and have support. As long as there are real men and real motorcycles there will be real brotherhood.

  18. Rebel Says:

    Dear fayettenamhoe,

    Good to hear from you. Missed you. I was afraid you sobered up.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  19. fayettenamhoe Says:

    freedom is a crime, i luv all my niggers black and white,its the broken rules that turn us up side down, evil old white men, keep the lies alive, free is a dying brotherhood and money ain’t no cure, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,,

  20. Mr. America Says:

    My point exactly. Thank you.

  21. YYZ Skinhead Says:

    Doc Jones and Not Surprised,

    Much obliged, sirs. Brotherhood + freedom = bikers.

  22. Not Surprised Says:

    YYZ:

    Intelligent females with a sense of wry wit………….

    Nothing like em.

    Kudos

  23. Doc Jones Says:

    YYZ Skinhead,
    I’m busting up!! The way you stated such valid points is hilarious. I just started laughung again!! Your posting was the first thing I read this morning when I woke up. I’m still laughing, can’t stop!!

  24. YYZ Skinhead Says:

    Since it’s Martin Luther King day, this is what MLK would have said were he fighting for biker rights:

    * “The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the biker community must not lead us to a distrust of all bikers. For many of our non-biking citizens as evidenced by their presence here today have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We can not walk alone.”

    * “I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.'”

    * “I have a dream that my biker friends will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the vehicle they ride, but by the content of their character.”

    * “I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia and everywhere else bikers will be able to ride without getting illegally profiled and harassed by badge-wearing Nazis.”

    * “This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.”

    * “Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksand of class injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God’s children.

    * “Let freedom roar. And when this happens, and when we allow freedom to roar—when we let it roar from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God’s children—bikers and cagers, Veterans and civilians, club members and non-club members—will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: “Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!”

  25. Not Surprised Says:

    Only a few morons like me actually give it away. And, I only give mine away because the “marketplace” has determined that what I have to say is worthless.

    Rebel, this may be true-for now. Though this is the information age, it is also the age of “managed news”.

    Precisely because you are off the grid, your content is impeccable. It is also Pulitzer quality.

  26. Rebel Says:

    Dear Grumbler,

    Yeah. Read it. Know what you are talking about. I checked with sources. What Caine describes has happened, in general, sort of, which may have been what gave him the idea. Law Enforcement has put on confiscated patches and attempted to discredit motorcycle clubs.

    The whole shootout thing was just bullshit, though, okay. I know the road. I have talked to many people who were in Laughlin that night. I have talked to people who were in the safe house in Bullhead City that night.

    The consensus is that Alex Caine is a pathetic piece of shit. Not an outlaw, not a cop, not a journalist, just a pathetic piece of shit.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  27. Eye on the foul! Says:

    To REBEL
    Im gonna have to order that book!

  28. DocB Says:

    hey Doc
    Ya better do somthing quick. I heard some of those guys are so mean they don’t even scratch where it itches. Feds are bound to catch on. That kinda’ shit gets noticed.

    doc too

  29. Grumbler Says:

    Rebel, have you read “Befriend and Betray” by Alex Caine? Borrowed it from the library the other day. It’s an interesting purported true crime story. There’s an episode in that book which has the feds/leos involved in a shootout while wearing confiscated cuts from a one percenter club.

  30. Rebel Says:

    Dear The Creep,

    Please feel free to rant on.

    If I can, let me add a few words. This is now the “information age.” In this age information has come to be bought and sold like any other commodity. Only a few morons like me actually give it away. And, I only give mine away because the “marketplace” has determined that what I have to say is worthless.

    Since information is a commodity and the point of it is to make money it now mostly either sells or distracts. The point of most “news” in the year 2010 is to either sell or distract.

    “Michael Jackson Still Dead,” “Tiger Woods Is An Asshole,” and “Haiti Still Ravaged by Earthquake” are stories that distract.

    “Consumer News” and “Entertainment News and Reviews” are usually stories that are trying to sell you something.

    “ATF Saves World From Biker Menace” is a dramatic, titillating story that both distracts and sells.

    Rant on brother.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  31. The Creep Says:

    Doc Jones,

    Hahahaha, oh wow, I thought you and my dad must hang out together for a second there. Whew lol.

  32. Bud Says:

    You sure thats not the WILD HOGS? I hear theyre pretty vicious

  33. sled tramp Says:

    Doc Jones:
    Shhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttt……………ya almost had me there…LOL
    sled tramp

  34. Doc Jones Says:

    I’m very worried about my son. He told me yesterday that he’s now a prospect for the biggest club in the world. My son is a black belt in Martial Arts. He messed up his back a few years ago and takes prescribed pain pills. The other day I had a screaming headache and he offered me one of his pills but I declined the offer. Last year a guy was messing with my granddaughter and my son set him straight with a little violence. He grabbed the punk by the throat and of course the punk peed his panties. Now, I’m not an attorney but with my son prospecting I’m wondering if at some point he will get raided and thrown in jail!! I probably shouldn’t mention the club he’s prospecting for but in this case I will. I’m certain that most of the people who read this site have heard of them. They call themselves the Harley Owners Group, otherwise known as HOGS!! He became a prospect yesterday when he decided to buy a new Harley. He should be a full patch holder in the next several months. With my son’s wicked past and the probability of future questionable acts…….I’m very, very concerned. I’ve tried to stop him from prospecting but he has his heart set on buying a new Harley. This club that he’s prospecting for won’t let him refuse to join. He will be a member no matter what once he buys his new bike. He plans to purchase his bike at Eagle Nest Harley Davidson which also has ties with the vicious group known as Sons of Anarchy!! As a concerned parent, does anyone have any advice to help me persuade my son to not go down this path of certain destruction? RICO is no joke and it won’t be long before they come knocking on his door, confiscate his patch and lock him up. I wish my son would give up his quest to buy a Harley and get into roller skating!!

  35. YYZ Skinhead Says:

    There are so few ethical, impartial judges that it’s sad when we lose one.

    YYZ Skinhead

  36. theone Says:

    rebel hows does the passing of judge cooper affect the case?. Is it down hill for the mongols or can they get a fair judge like cooper.

  37. CONCERNED PATRIOT Says:

    WELL FIRST PRAYERS AND BLESSINGS TO MS.COOPERS FAMILY…

    I WOULD BE ASKING FOR AN INVESTIGATION INTO HER DEATH IF I WERE HER FAMILY AND THE MEMBERS OF THE MONGOLS NATION…

    SEEMS VERY CONVIENT THAT THE FEDS ARE ALL EXCITED ABOUT HER DEATH AND CLAIMING VICTORY…

    I DO NOT HAVE IN INTEREST OF GAIN EITHER WAY,BUT WHEN THE PRICE OF SECURITY AND SAFETY IS FREEDOM THEN WE LOOSE BOTH…

    AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IS WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS PAYING SO A SUPER EGO OF THE ATF CAN SHINE AND WHO KNOWS MAY-BE HE WILL WRITE A BOOK AS WELL..

    IT IS TIME THAT WE THE PEOPLE TAKE BACK OUR LANDS AND GOVERNMENT AFTER ALL THEY WORK FOR US AND ARE TO LISTEN TO US..IF WE STAND UNTIED AS OUR FOR FATHERS DID TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY GREAT WE CAN TAKE IT BACK AND MAKE THEM PROUD…

    BEST WISHES TO THE MONGOLS NATION KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT..BUT I FEAR JUSTICE IS GONE FOR THEM WITH THE DEATH OF COOPER

  38. DirtyBruin Says:

    FTF: Poor woman never even got to enjoy some retirement. May she rest in peace.

  39. FTF Says:

    I don’t know if anyone else has heard, but the Honorable Judge Florence Marie Cooper died Friday. May she rest in peace. I’m thinking maybe justice may have died with her, at least in regards to this case. Having been in her courtroom and in her presence during my last bail hearing I have to say she was one hell of a Judge, and a good person who took no shit from either side as she knew what was right and wrong.

    That being said, I’m betting this is why all the hype about victory has started so soon.

  40. hammer 1%er Says:

    when you offer someone a plea deal..say 2-3 years times maybe probation…as oppossed to mandatory 20 year sentence..wtf does a person with common sense do?? he takes the deal knowing he’s stil not done the true crime..but will at least be with his family alot sooner than later..the feds have fucked this case up from day one with their agents..c.i’…and other snitches..yet they are not confident enough to go to court for trial..so they push for the plea deal..i seen this claimed victory for them months ago…because why would you drop other serious charges that u can prove in order to get a conviction for only one charge(count one)the feds quit playing checkers..and have now moved on to chess..cases have already been won in colorado..agent carr and his bitch kaos fucked that case up…thank you mr. atf man… another free brother!!!the hav’nt won or accomplished shit..the club is strong as ever..mongols dont die…we multiply…fuck carr(hollywood)..fuck kaos..and fuck ciccone…and if i forgot any of you other assholes from the atf..you can suck it too.

    MONGOLS MC
    LAS VEGAS
    MFFM

  41. The Creep Says:

    This is a rant. Ignore me if you’d like, but there might be cookies at the end:

    The law is only the law to the majority of people less fortunate to have a say in the matter. The law is SUPPOSED to be universal, hence a trial by your “peers”, and this being a country where everyone is allegedly an equal, everyone is supposed to have the same set of peers. Clearly, everyone is not equal. Thus, When you’re in a position of enforcing the law, you are “above” those who must “follow the law”. Therefore, a law enforcement person, such as a judge or cop, can only be called on any law breaking they themselves commit by other law enforcement people, since those are their only true peers. BUT, we all know how damn unlikely that is to happen with such a small group of people. They’d rather just sweep it under the rug and keep themselves looking good. After all, they are supposed to be the good ones, right? By default, the ones who makes and enforce the laws will have a certain amount freedom to decide whether or not they actually have to follow the same laws. Thus, they will be hypocrites, and therefore out of touch with the reality. So unfortunately, even with the most level-headed of judges and or cops, there will be a certain social gap between accuser and defendant, making the playing field completely uneven. It’s all designed, whether on purpose or on accident, to benefit the law, whatever or whomever that may be.

    Was that just a really long way to say we’re all fucked? Maybe a Catch 22 or something?
    Sorry, no cookies.

  42. Mr. America Says:

    “When policemen break the law, then there is no law – only a fight for survival”. Tom Laughlin as Billy Jack cir. 1971.

  43. proudmongolwife Says:

    ONCE AGAIN FULL OF SHIT!!!! IT’S SO SAD HOW THIS PIECE OF SHIT SYSTEM WORKS. THE FEDS ARE PISSED CAUSE THESE GUYS ARE ABLE TO WEAR THIER COLORS AGAIN AND I LOVE IT WHEN I SEE THEM ROLLING… YEAH BABY!!! HOW ABOUT THEM PIECE OF SHIT UC’S SHOULD THEY DO TIME. FOR EXAMPLE THAT BITCH “HOLLYWOOD” WHEN HE WAS PURCHASING WEED JUST TO GET HIGH FOR THE FUCK OF IT. ALL I CAN SAY IS THESE GUYS ARE NOT WHAT THE FEDS SAY THEY ARE. MORE POWER TO ALL YOU BROTHERS OUT THERE!

  44. VFFV Says:

    Well fucking A, lets see some of those 3 piece law enforcement “CLUBS” get their shit taken by the feds,oh oh wait maybe the local HOG chapter and the Yamaha Star clubs, All use a common mark to ID themselves…cant wait untill this shit backfires in their faces. whats next,are they going to sieze my Martial Arts club jackets too?? Fuckin Lames

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