Feds Declare Victory Over Mongols

January 14, 2010

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A woman named Maritza Velazquez, a staff writer for a paper called the San Gabriel Valley News, ran a story about the Mongols case Tuesday. Now this page has to point out how misleading and inaccurate most of what she wrote was.

Velazquez story was picked up by the Associated Press Tuesday afternoon and has since been repeated about 200 times in various newspapers and television news broadcasts. Attempts by this page to contact Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the United States Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles, and John Torres, the Special Agent in charge of the Los Angeles Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), have been fruitless.

This page requested Mrozek comment in writing and he was unable to do that by the time this story had to be written. Torres ignored a request for comment. Both Mrozek and Torres were quoted in the News story.

Majority Plead Guilty

The lead news in the story is that “60 of 79 Mongols Motorcycle Club members arrested in a federal sweep have pleaded guilty to racketeering charges,” which is almost accurate. Seventy-nine men were arrested under an indictment voted by a Grand Jury in October 2008. One of them died in custody. One of them pled guilty to drug charges unrelated to any criminal conspiracy. And there have been 61 other plea and sentencing agreements in the case.

At least six of those pleas remain sealed because the prosecutors in the case have tried to shroud the proceedings in as much secrecy as possible. Most of the pleas have come since last summer, when it began to become obvious that the government would not allow the case to go to trial.

It appears that all but one of the pleas in the case have been to Count One of the indictment rather to what most laymen would consider an actual criminal offense. In pleading guilty to Count One the defendants admitted that they were part of a “criminal conspiracy” called the Mongols. In some case the actual “predicate offenses” to which the defendants pled guilty were things like possession of Mongols paraphernalia and participation in Mongols Motorcycle Club events.

The News story states that “19 defendants” are scheduled for a trial “set for April 13.” This page counts 16 defendants who are still hoping for a trial.

The News story quotes Mrozek as saying, “It’s likely the trial will be delayed because the judge assigned to the case is expected to retire in March.” Judge Florence-Marie Cooper is scheduled to retire March 15th. If the trial is delayed further it will be because defense attorneys and prosecutors are at an impasse about the release of information gathered by Confidential Informants and Undercover ATF Agents in the case.

Sentencing

The News story states that, “about ten of those who entered guilty pleas have been sentenced to up to 20 years in prison,” which is totally inaccurate.

So far 17 defendants have pled guilty and been sentenced. The names of those defendants in the chronological order of their sentencing are: Juan Manuel Nieves; William Shawley; Christopher Loza; Manuel Jimmie Vasquez; Abram Wedig; Shawn Buss; John Newman; Denis Maldonado; Paul Cordova; Thomas Savala; Andres Rodriguez; Brian Mccauley; Bengy M Leyva; Mario Angulo; Aaron Price; Joseph Rudolph Valle; and Paul Lemay.

The average sentence given to these men was 34 months. Three of the defendants were given remarkably harsh sentences. Denis Maldonado was sentenced to 150 months; Paul Cordova was sentenced to 120 months; and Andres Rodriguez was sentenced to 82 months. Excluding the three stiffest sentences, defendants got an average sentence of 15 months. Eight of the men were either sentenced to supervised release, probation or time served.

The Patch

The News story also states: “in October 2008, a federal judge barred the Mongols motorcycle gang from wearing or distributing its logo that often appears on leather vests and Harley-Davidson bikes. According to Torres, Mongols members appealed the ruling and a federal judge will consider whether the government has the right to bar the group from wearing its colors and displaying its logo.”

As has been reported here several times, the government actually lost a related civil case titled Ramon Rivera versus Ronnie A. Carter, Acting Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF); John A. Torres, Special Agent in Charge, ATF Los Angeles Field Division; and Eric H. Holder, United States Attorney.

That case was adjudicated by Judge Cooper who ruled that the government does not have authority to seize either the Mongols word mark, which is the word “Mongols” or the Mongols patch. The government has promised Judge Cooper in writing that it will not try to seize those trademarks anymore. This page reported in August 18th that the government has already “lost” that part of the Mongols case. According to Federal Rules of Trial Procedure, the injunction the News mentions can not be formally lifted until after the conclusion of the criminal case – which the government appears to never want to try.

“That process is still moving forward,” the News quoted Torres, who has never heard of The Aging Rebel, as saying. “No one has ‘won’ the case. It’s just the message that we want to put out to them and other gangs that may use the same type of indica to identify themselves.”

By “message” Torres seems to mean “spin.”

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98 Responses to “Feds Declare Victory Over Mongols”

  1. Rashomon Says:

    Looks like we’ll have our fair share of ups and downs with Otis … (somebody was bound to say it eventually).

    Good luck to all involved – get home safely.

  2. JAMES Says:

    “WITH ALL THE ALLEGATIONS OF MONGOLS ANIMOCITY TOWARDS ” AFRICAN AMERICANS”? I have only seen one “ALLEGATION” mentioned.

  3. RIP WELO Says:

    To the nation keep your head up Keep growing dont forget your brothers
    1970 Mongols

  4. DirtyBruin Says:

    Rebel: if Otis D. Wright is that bad … here’s hoping he makes poorly written decisions that leave double doors standing wide open to drive an appeal through…!

  5. Bud Says:

    With all the allegations of the Mongols anomocity towards “african americans” they appoint a black judge???? sounds like stackin the deck to me

  6. 10Guage Says:

    Well said Justus. I couldn’t agree more. Especially about those who talk shit and have nothing to gain and more importantly nothing to lose. Cheerleaders need to take up a hobbie like watching football or the UFC. This is real life. And as some of these righteous women on here have said it effects not only us… but ALL of our families.

    I have nothing but respect for women who stand behind their men and keep the house going while their men are locked down no matter what side of the fence we sit. Family is family.

  7. Rebel Says:

    Dear Bob,

    Southwestern is a blue collar law school and it is generally a place for older students who have done something else before becoming a lawyer. The it schools for the swell young LA lawyer seem to be USC, UCLA and UC Berkeley. And, I guess the Ivies but I think most of those guys go to Wall Street. Sometimes guys who go to a place like Southwestern have more street smarts and see the law as more of a calling. I have not yet seen Judge Wright in action. Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised. It does not seem to me right now that he was called to the law because he wants to make the world a more just place. The reputation that precedes him is that he is a stupid bully.

    Rebel

  8. bob Says:

    Where the hell is “Southwestern Law School”?Sounds like a J.D. diploma mill.And how did this chump move up so fast? Think I’d rather be in front of an Ivy Leaguer than this affirmative-action,bad attitude,Anita Hill-like arbitrary decision-making idiot.

  9. JAMES Says:

    SPIKE1%er OUTLAWS M.C. HAS A MUST READ POSTED THAT EVERY 1%er or CLUBS, ORGS. ETC. REALLY SHOULD READ, http://www.fedsgonebad.blogspot.com/ is very imformative about the FEDS taking property and trophies and some how to’s on getting some back.

  10. Rebel Says:

    Dear bystander,

    Otis D. Wright is black. He was born in the segregated South and he would have attended segregated schools. So he has whatever baggage accompanies that start in life. And, he is of an age to have benefited enormously from affirmative action. He graduated from high school in Berkeley. At the time of his appointment there were only 90 black federal judges.

    He is not impressively educated. He lives in Rancho Palisades Verdes. He is a former L.A. County Sheriff’s Deputy and a former prosecutor. He has spent most of his legal career as a private practice civil attorney on the wrong side of most issues: pollution, malpractice, and insurance bad faith.

    Nobody seems to think he is smart. Nobody seems to think he is particularly sympathetic to the little guy. The highest compliment anybody can seem to offer for him is “even-handed.” He has described himself as an “opinionated and judgmental son of a bitch.” His friends call him Otis.

    He has been a judge for just over four years. Arnold Schwarzenegger appointed the guy to the Superior Court in November 2005. George W. Bush made him a federal judge in March 2007.

    The consensus opinion among criminal lawyers seems to be that if you get assigned to him try to get another judge. On a site called “The Robing Room: Where Judges Are Judged” he is described as “generally ill prepared and probably the worst federal judge I have ever argued a motion before. He was imperious, arbitrary, asked off-the-wall questions and just didn’t get it… avoid him at all cost.”

    Another criminal defense lawyer described him as, “Not learned in the law and arrogant, this preener thinks he is the best, when in fact he is the worst.”

    Another criminal defense attorney said he, “made statements and rulings evidencing misunderstanding of basic law relating to police misconduct. Does seem to try to be evenhanded. Misses nuances of evidence; tends to rely on concrete and superficial analysis of evidence.”

    My favorite published comment about the guy is, “He rules with an iron fist, and a tin-foil mind.”

    stay strong,
    Rebel

  11. proudmongolwife Says:

    BYSTANDER,

    I DONT BLAME YOU I PREPARE MYSELF AS WELL FOR THE WORST, THAT WAY IF SOMETHING GOOD DOES HAPPEN I WILL FEEL AT EASE. BUT GIRL JUST PRAY FOR THE BEST THATS ALL WE CAN DO. I AM A NERVOUS WRECK AND I DONT LET HIM SEE IT WHEN I GO VISIT HIM I WANT TO SHOW HIM THAT I AM A STRONG WOMAN, I DONT WANT TO WORRY HIM MORE THAN WHAT HE IS. AND AFTER HE SIGNED HIS PLEA DEAL MADE IT EVEN WORST FOR ME THATS A LOT OF FUCKIN YEARS AND I ASK GOD EVERYDAY TO HELP MAKE IT BETTER. LETS ALL STAY STRONG AND POSITIVE AND THINGS MIGHT JUST GET BETTER. MUCH LOVE

  12. bystander Says:

    proudmongolwife and sled tramp

    thank you both! i tend to prepare for the worst and pray for the best. don’t like getting my hopes up and having them trashed. but let’s hope your good feeling is correct!!! sentencing is tentatively near the end of february. thanks again…..

  13. sled tramp Says:

    bystander,
    I should add that he’s known for AIDS and minority work.Apparently,he goes more on a gut feeling than precedence in many cases.I had a good feeling about him while reading.
    sled tramp

  14. sled tramp Says:

    bystander,
    Googled the name, found this comment:”Comments:
    This judge says one thing yet does another. He does not appear to know the law and if he does, he doesn’t apply it. Does he not know tat he is messing with people’s lives? He should do the world a favor and step down”.
    Also,Otis D. Wright II (born 1944) is a United States federal judge.

    Wright was born in Tuskegee, Alabama. He received a B.A. from California State University at Los Angeles in 1976. He received a J.D. from Southwestern Law School in 1980. He was a United States Marine Corps from 1963 to 1966. He was a United States Marine Corps Reserve from 1966 to 1969. He was a Deputy sheriff, Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, California from 1969 to 1980. He was a Deputy attorney general of Office of the Attorney General, California Department of Justice from 1980 to 1983. He was in private practice in Los Angeles, California from 1983 to 2005. He was a judge on the Superior Court of California, Los Angeles County from 2005 to 2007.

    Wright was a federal judge on the United States District Court for the Central District of California. Wright was nominated by President George W. Bush on January 9, 2007, to a seat vacated by Gary L. Taylor. He was confirmed by the United States Senate on March 15, 2007, and received his commission on April 16, 2007.
    Quotes: “If something in my background prepared me to take law school seriously I’d have to say it was the Marine Corps. You are fairly well indoctrinated in the concept that failure is not an option. Some things require a decision. Other things will work themselves out if you just get out of the way”.
    “For whatever reason, the government determined that I am fit to do this job. They know that there will be times when the decisions I reach will be largely based on who I am and the things I believe in. The powers-that-be have decided that they can live with that”.

    hope this helps.Like all Federal judges, there’s a lot of interviews and so on.
    sled tramp

  15. proudmongolwife Says:

    BYSTANDER,
    ACTUALLY YES I HAVE I HEARD HE IS JUST AS GOOD AS COOPER WAS. WHEN I GOT THE PHONE CALL I JUST COULDNT HELP MY SELF BUT SHED TEARS OF JOY. THANK GOD ANOTHER GOOD JUDGE WAS ASSIGNED TO THIS CASE.

  16. bystander Says:

    rebel and proudmongolwife

    the judge my husband has been assigned to is Otis D Wright.
    heard anything of him?

  17. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    I’m sorry too. But much respect for your many posts.
    Respectfully, Steve

  18. One "Selfish" Bitch Says:

    ANARCHYFACTORY – I’m sorry but I don’t understand your point in your comment???

  19. Jabba Says:

    Proud Mongol Wife > My apologies, should’ve been a bit clearer. I never thought you said you hated another club, I used the quote to help me “answer” Blaze.

    I have nothing but the deepest respect for what you’ve said here.

    I don’t know anything about club business, and very little about clubs in the US & Canada – I’m a fresh Brit’ immigrant. I’ve been around bikes, bikers and a supporter of a major 1% club for most of my 40+ years. I never got patched – a decision I’ve lived with for a long time, in recent years I’ve regretted that a lot and even considered being the oldest the prospect in town.

    From what I do know, from the above, a lot of drunken bar-room conversations and what I read elsewhere, it seems so fucking stupid to me, that somebody can abuse people going through what you guys are suffering, and all the while they are just as much in the firing line of the LEO.

    1%er clubs all over the world are targets for LE. Period. If you’re a cop, a major bust with a lot of arrests, patches to hold up in front of a camera, guns, money and maybe some controlled substances thrown in for good measure, will set your career up like nothing else.

    The kind of lying fuck-job that seems to become a cop these days, has shown that they will get VERY dirty indeed to pull off something like that.

    “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Maybe. I don’t see Blaze and I swapping spit in the showers any time soon, but this is definitely the place to bury the axe (or the machete), and not be so fucking stupid as to abuse your kin… no matter how distantly you may be related.

    Much LL&R.

    Jabba
    SYLO

  20. Justus Says:

    proudmongolwife,
    I respect what you have to say and am sorry for your situation. We are on opposite sides of the fence in terms of clubs, we are supposed to hate each other, it makes the LEOs job of destroying us all so much easier. But, as SledTramp said so well in another post, our similarities, how we live our lives, are one of the same. There are so many out there that love to stoke a fire they have no understanding and/or respect for this life and don’t have to deal with the inevitable repercussions. Shit talkers are cowards no matter who they support. You should be proud of yourself for standing by your man. Any 1%er would be lucky to have such support. But we should all remember, the victories we have, the losses we suffer, and the constant overbearing scrutiny we face daily, we all share that. Each individual case is woven into a blanket that will be used to destroy us all (and they’re doing their best to see us destroy ourselves). My respects to all fighting this fight. I apologize for hijacking the thread.

  21. proudmongolwife Says:

    JABBA,
    I NEVER SAID I HATED ANOTHER CLUB. I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO SAY ANYTHING FOR THE SIMPLE REASON I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THEM. I JUST CANT STAND FOR PEOPLE LIKE “BLAZE” TO TALK SHIT WHEN HE DONT KNOW SHIT! EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THIER OWN OPINION. BUT FOR ME BEING MARRIED TO A MONGOL HELL YEAH IM GONNA SAY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY FOR ANYONE TALKING SHIT.IM JUST DEFENDING WHAT I KNOW IS A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT! AND ONE MORE THING THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO ME AND MY KIDS IT MEANS ALOT TO ME!!

  22. Jabba Says:

    Proud Mongol Wife > No words. I couldn’t even begin to know what you’ve felt and what you and your kids are going through.

    More respect than I could ever put into words. Take care. Stay strong and know you’ve got the thoughts and wishes of a lot of good people behind you. All the very, very best to you and yours.

    “Just because you support a different club, doesn’t mean you have to hate another.”

    Blaze and anybody that thinks a bit like you > I think I’ve made it plain where my loyalties lay, and it’s no secret that some clubs have big and small problems with each other. But just who do you think that LE will come gunning for when they think they’ve suitably fucked up their current targets? You think they’ll be satisfied with a few bullshit convictions? You think they won’t smarten their act up some and come gunning for a few other clubs? You think any 1%er club, or their supporters, are safe from lying motherfuckers who won’t think twice about faking evidence and fitting you up, all for the sake of their next fucking promotion?

    If you do, then you’re a bit short-sighted. Others on this site have posted excellent ideas for strengthening the positions of clubs – Detroit Dutch for one. I won’t go into that, I’ll leave it for the people who REALLY know what the fuck they’re talking about.

    Nobody’s naive enough to think that everybody will just buddy-up straight away and band together against the common enemy, but for fuck’s sake, when some poor bastard and their family are going through what LE wants to do to all of us, have the fucking sense to keep your mouth shut and recognise a common threat when you see one.

    My apologies to Rebel for the rant. Just couldn’t let that shit go after I read it.

    Much LL&R to all.

    Jabba
    SYLO

  23. proudmongolwife Says:

    BYSTANDER,
    I GOT YOU MY SISTER, AS SOON AS I HEAR SOMETHING I WILL POST IT UP.

    NOOKSTER,
    READING YOUR BLOG JUST BROUGHT FLASHBACKS WHEN THEY TOOK MY HUSBADN FROM ME. THEY HAD ME HIM AND OUR 2 YOUNGEST SURROUNDED BY GUNS. MY DAUGHTER SEEN WHEN THEY HANDCUFFED ME AND HER FATHER. THEY HAD US SURROUNDED LIKE IF WE FUCKIN KILLED THE PRESIDENT AND JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THE KIDS FACES WAS HEART BREAKING. BUT ALL AND ALL MY I LOVE MY HUSBAND AND IM GONNA STICK BY HIM TILL THE END. AND NOW THAT HE IS GONE I HAVE TO BE THE MOTHER AND FATHER TO MY CHILDREN AND ITS A HARD JOB NOT BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THEM THE WAY HE USE TO. SO TILL THEN EVERYONE WHO HAS THIER LOVED MONGOL BEHIND BARS DONT GIVE UP LETS FIGHT OUT HERE WITH THEM!

  24. One "Selfish" Bitch Says:

    For the most part Nookster beat me to the punch. I think people out there and yes on this site as well forget there are many more people involved. These guys are sons, husbands, boyfriends, fathers, uncles, brothers and cousins of someone out there. The ones most devistated are the wives (ol ladies. which ever you choose to be called) and most of all the children. It makes me sick and want to throw my fists around when I see or hear ignorant people out there believing everything they’ve heard through the media. I’ve seen my teeanage daughter pissed off because watching the local news slandering the Mongols…hows that for you ignorant bastards talking shit. She’s intelligent enough to make her own decisions and knows in her heart what to believe. Don’t get me wrong there are assholes in many clubs, just as any others out, but then again there are assholes, sick evil bastards doing illegal shit from law enforcement, school districts, politicians and even your neighborhood church. ProudMongolWife and Bystander…I don’t know you personally but I and many others are here for you. We are a family in some ways and you WILL get through this. It takes a lot of strength to keep it together and move forward..in some ways women have no choice but to be stronger or you’ll lose it and in this situation you CANNOT LOSE CONTROL. You both seem like strong women and my prayers are with you and your families.

  25. Doc Jones Says:

    Damn-it Bud,
    I’ve got to figure out a way to make sure my Old Lady doesn’t read your post!!

    Nookster,
    You’re post is outstanding!!

  26. Nookster Says:

    Big “RESPECT” to all the Mongol ladies. Going through this federal onslaught on your own and then surviving from it is a incredible testament to your strength, loyalty and love for your man. Many people don’t realize that innocent family’s are also decimated when thier door is kicked in and 30 screaming masked animals crash through thier door shoving guns in wifes and childrens faces. Talk about PTSD, there are more ways of having PTSD than war, try sleeping after that happens to you. These men and womens and childrens lives are forever changed. They are basically having to go it alone after they lose an income earner, thier property has been siezed, cars, furniture and any and everything the feds purposely snatch to bring more pressure on the incarcerated brother. After all this the wife has to find a way to continue without a bank account, transportation and deal with her mans case because he is locked in a cage without bond and totally helpless. Every brother locked up who has a rightous lady behind him is a blessed brother. When I caught a case the women I was with lasted about 6 months and then left for greener pastures. I’ve always thought of myself as a strong individual, but even a bad motherfucker will have his guts twisted in knots when his wife and children leave him while he’s laying in a 7X12 cell facing 20 years, knowing he has been hijacked by the feds with no hope in sight. I could go on and on but I’m sure I made my point. Once again, respect to all you Mongol ladies and all the women out there who are just like you. Your the only light in a very, very dark tunnel.

  27. Bud Says:

    Doc, Sled

    A brother of mine was with his woman for years and wouldnt marry, she would get pissed about it. they would fight all the time til one day she shot him she was so mad. After he healed from his gunshot he married her. They never had another argument til he passed from old age and natural causes.

    Im not suggesting anything but sometimes a bullet is good for ya??

  28. Doc Jones Says:

    Sled Tramp,
    I planned to UPS you a bullet proof vest but then I rememberd that the cops can charge you for having one (at least that’s what I hear) and I didn’t want to be responsible for you getting busted.

    I hope your wife kinda doesn’t get it in her head to kinda shoot you again!! I know the little darling had a good reason for kinda putting a cap in your ass!! It might be a good idea to not piss her off again!! Aint love grand!! (smile)

  29. bystander Says:

    proudmongolwife,
    sister, when you know something, please post it. my mongol was supposed to have sentencing this coming week. the waiting before hand is the worst, will be great when there’s an outdate to look forward to and a light at the end of this dark tunnel. (this is time number 2 for us) i would never tell him this, but my confidence and hope was severely shaken at the loss of judge cooper, may she rest in love and peace. i could tell in his voice, he’s worried for the brothers also. lets’ hope judge cooper’s replacement is a “maverick” like her!

  30. sled tramp Says:

    proudmongolwife,
    Been enjoying your posts.All support and good thoughts to you and your sisters.Knowing you have his back takes a LOT off a guy’s mind when he’s in.I never cared one way or another about relationships until I met my wife.Other than when she uh…well she kinda shot me, she’s been nothing but a power source when it gets dark.You may not hear a lot about it but it’s everything.
    sled tramp

  31. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    FIGHTING BACK. THE TROUBLE HERE IS THIS CHAPTER HAS BEEN GROWING. NOW LEO WANTS THE HAMMER TO COME DOWN

    http://enidnews.com/localnews/x1085946359/Taking-exception

    MONGOLS 40TH!!

    RESPECT, STEVE

  32. Doc Jones Says:

    Dear PROUDMONGOLWIFE,
    You’re a damn fine wife!! Just having you in your husbands life will help him through these trying times. I have a wonderful wife and I don’t know what I’d do without her. Remember this…….there are very few ladies like you. Once their man is gone they move on without him. I’ve seen it happen over and over. You are a one percenter through and through!! Instead of a club one percenter you represent one percent of the women who will stand by their man even when he is behind bars. I can’t even begin to tell you how much I respect you and the others in the same situation!! Another thing to keep in mind, things very well could work out better than it looks right now. The battle isn’t over. Keep the faith. Things may very well get better. The thing I want you to remember most of all is that you are a stand up lady and I’m certain that your husband is very, very proud of you!!

  33. proudmongolwife Says:

    DEAR DOC JONES,
    I’M GLAD THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT US PEOPLE GO THRU. IT’S SO HARD FOR ME TO GO AND SEE MY HUSBAND AND KNOWING THAT WHEN I HAVE TO COME HOME HE CANT COME WITH ME. I’M JUST SO SCARED FOR WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN. I WILL NEVER GIVE UP THE FAITH AND HOPE, AND I PROMISED HIM I WOULD NEVER LEAVE HIS SIDE. I’M HAPPY TO HAVE HIM IN MY LIFE AND NO MATTER WHAT THE GOVERNMENT MAKES HIM OUT TO BE I SEE HIM THE MAN THAT I MARRIED 11 YEARS AGO. MY NAME SAYS IT ALL “PROUDMONGOLWIFE”

  34. Doc Jones Says:

    It just dawned on me that there are more people affected by this bust then the club and other clubs. Stupid me!! I’ve been locked up before and it didn’t just affect me it, affected my family and friends too. My heart goes out to the wives, children, family members and the brothers who are on the street. When I read proudmongolwife and the reply from One “Selfish” Bitch, it hit home how my loved ones were affected when I was locked up. You two ladies and I’m certain that there are others have a rough road ahead of you. For what it’s worth, I’m damn proud of you!! Your man is going to need you like never before. This case is extremely significant and there will be unexpected twists and turns that will surface. Having a soul mate in your coener during these trying times means more than most people would understand. Keep standing up for your men ladies!! You speak volumes for the Mongols!!

  35. Bud Says:

    seems to me that since she was set to retire in march amyway that her replacement should have already been selected. I dont know maybe that makes too much sense to be reality

  36. proudmongolwife Says:

    HAMMER 1%ER,
    LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, MY HUSBANDS ATTORNEY SAID HE WILL FIND OUT SOME TIME NEXT WEEK WHO IS GONNA TAKE OVER THIS CASE. AND ALOT OF THE BROTHERS WHO WERE GOING TO BE SENTENCED NEXT MONTH WELL NOW WE ALL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHEN THEY GET BACK ON CALENDAR. FOR ME I THINK THEY WILL BE SENTENCED BEFORE THIS YEAR ENDS “HOPEFULLY”. I WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON ANYTHING NEW THAT I HEAR.

  37. proudmongolwife Says:

    BUD,

    I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT OF VIEW. BUT AS FOR NOW WHAT I ALSO HEARD IS THAT THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT CHOOSES THE JUDGE TO TAKE OVER A CASE IS SORT OF LIKE “BINGO”. MY POINT OF VIEW IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL PROBABLY CHOOSE THE WORST JUDGE FOR THESE GUYS,ALL BECAUSE THEY SEEN THE LIGHT SENTENCING SOME OF THEM GOT AND IT PISSED THEM OFF I’M SURE. IT’S SAD AND I’M HOPING THAT WHO EVER TAKES OVER CAN BE JUST AS GREAT AS COOPER WAS. BUT AS FOR NOW ALL US PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LOVED BROTHER LOCKED UP CAN ONLY PRAY AND HOPE FOR THE BEST OUTCOME. AND MAY I SAY ONE MORE THING MY HEART GOES OUT TO COOPER’S FAMILY AND MAY SHE REST IN PEACE.

  38. Rebel Says:

    Dear hammer 1%er,

    I expect the prosecutors will continue to try to coerce as many plea deals as possible out of the remaining defendants. Recent statements by John Torres sure sound like he is trying to win the propaganda war. If the prosecution can just bully enough defendants into copping a plea to Count One then government wins. The government will trumpet that victory and whether it is actually the law or not many people will be convinced that motorcycle clubs are “criminal enterprises” and should be illegal.

    Personally, I think some of the remaining defendants intend to go to trial because they think they can win.

    Rebel

  39. hammer 1%er Says:

    so now that judge cooper has died..whats next in the works???

  40. Bud Says:

    Proudmongolwife,

    My point of view ,and this is just the way I see things, is that whoever takes the case in light of the circumstances would have a certain amount of professional decorum and want to handle in a manner that not only serve justice but also honor the late judge cooper and show her the respect she deserves rather than someone who takes over the case because she retired with the attitude of “this is my case now”.

    After all, if I were to take over a job for brother who passed I’d try my best to keep in place the things and people he instituted and still cover the bottom line out of respect and not to leave his memory with any loose ends.

    But thats me Im a dirtbag construction worker

  41. proudmongolwife Says:

    THANK YOU REBEL… I HEARD SOME PRETTY BAD THINGS ABOUT THAT JUDGE. I JUST HEARD TODAY THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT A ASIAN JUDGE WHO IS NEW MIGHT TAKE OVER. THE REASON CARTER WONT BE THE JUDGE IS CAUSE HE IS LOCATED IN O.C THATS WHAT I WAS TOLD BY HIS ATTORNEY. ALL I WANT TO SAY IS TO ALL THE BROTHERS LOCKED UP KEEP FIGHTING TILL THE END. AND TO THOSE OUT KEEP FLYING THE BEST COLORS OUT THER “BLACK AND WHITE”

  42. Rebel Says:

    Dear Proud Mongol Wife,

    The one name I have heard is David O. Carter. He is already a US District Court Judge in the Central District so he would not have to be confirmed by the Senate. He could just take over the case. I do not know what his schedule looks like. Your husband’s attorney would know.

    Carter is a former Marine, Vietnam Vet and was at Khe Sanh so I want to like him but I do not really have line on the guy yet. He handled a Mexican Mafia trial a few years ago and he was involved in a trial of Aryan Brotherhood members.

    Judge Cooper was a maverick. I think this guy is a team player. Just a guess. Gut instinct. I do not know that the case is even going to be put in his hands.

    But you asked, so that is my best guess.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  43. One "Selfish" Bitch Says:

    I think Blaze is still looking for “Emmie” ! Or maybe searching for an episode of Gangland?

    Don’t let Blaze get to you “ProudMongolWife”…its obvious that person does not know what he or she is talking about and just going off. The comment Blaze made got under my skin (and I have zero patience for ignorant people). Appreciate the others on this blog who can communicate in an intellectual manner and voice their opinions without acting like their in high school. We don’t have to agree with eachother or support the same club…honestly that is not what this whole thing is about.. this bullshit will effect each and everyone at sometime or another. Anyone, like Blaze, who thinks different is up for a rude awakening.

    I know your going through a lot and its hard not get protective of those you love and care about or fee like you have to constantly defend..trust me I know and unerstand. (I”ve gotten in many fights and arguments) But don’t waste your energy on people like Blaze…he probably rides around in tennis shoes

  44. proudmongolwife Says:

    ONE “SELFISH” BITCH… THANKS FOR UR COMMENTS. ALOT OF PEOPLE DONT HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT US WIVES ARE GOING THRU.

    BYSTANDER…. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

    I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING FUCK WHO EVER AINT A MONGOL SUPPORTER. AND FUCK THE FEDS WHO MADE ALOT OF SHIT UP!

  45. proudmongolwife Says:

    DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO WILL TAKE OVER COOPER’S PLACE? MY HUSBANDS ATTORNEY SAID HE WILL FIND OUT NEXT WEEK TO SEE WHO IS GOING TO TAKE OVER. AS OF NOW I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON.

  46. PROUD MONGOL Says:

    HEY BLAZE,
    DO YOU BELONG TO A CLUB OR ARE YOU JUST A PUNK ASS BITCH WHO RUNS HIS MOUTH?
    UNTIL YOU GET THE BALLS TO JOIN A CLUB ANY CLUB THEN SHUT UP.

    YOU TALK SHIT YET YOUR BELOVED BIG BAD CLUB YOU ARE REFERRING TO HAS ALSO BEEN FOOLED..EVER HEAR OF JAY DOBYNS OR WHAT EVER HIS NAME IS…

    THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS NO CLUB IS IMMUNED TO THE FED’S BULLSHIT..

    IT IS IDIOTS LIKE YOUR SELF THAT RANT AND RAVE CLAIMING TO BE A SUPPORTER HERE OR THERE AND GET THEIR FACTS FROM A RATINGS BASED TELEVISON SHOW LIKE GANGLAND AND THEN COME ON TO A SITE LIKE THIS AND ACT LIKE THEY KNOW SOMETHING..

    AS FOR MY BROTHERS BEING PC UP NAME THEM..CAUSE I KNOW OF NONE WE WALK THE LINE AND HANDLE OUR SELVES FINE..

    TO MY MONGOL BRETHEREN HAPPY 40TH AND TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT WITH US DON’T WORRY WE ARE NOT GOING ANY WHERE WE WILL BE HERE WHEN YOU COME HOME..

    FINALLY BLAZE I WISH YOU WELL IN LIFE AND HOPE KARMA PAYS YOU A VISIT AND WAKES YOU UP FOR YOU ARE TRUELY A MORON

  47. proud % Says:

    SOME SAY TO LEARN THE ROPES ON HOW NOT GET BUSTED IN A MC.LOOK MC’S ARE NOT CRIMINAL ORGANIZATONS!.IN MY CLUB MAKING MONEY OFF THE CLUB IS A DEFINITE NO,NO!I DIDN’T WAKE UP ONE DAY AND SAY “I WANT TO THROW MY LIFE AWAY AND MY JOB SO I’M GONNA BE A ONE PERCENTER!.LOOK THE ATF IS LITERALLY MAKIN UP AND FORCING THIS SHIT ON US!I JOINED FOR THE BROTHERHOOD AND TO RIDE PERIOD!MY BROTHER’S KNOW THAT I WILL GO ALL THE WAY FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIE’S.IF A BROTHER HAS A VICE OR GET’S INTO SOME SHIT WELL HE’S STILL MY BROTHER!IF A SO CALLED BROTHER GET PINCHED FOR SOMETHING HE SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN DOING IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN THAT’S A PROBLEM FOR HIMSELF.LOOK SORRY ABOUT THE RANT,BUT I LOVE MY CLUB AND WILL NEVER APOLIGIZE FOR WHO WE ARE!THE FEDS KNOW THAT WE WILL NEVER FALL IN LINE WITH THE BULL#@&$ THAT GOIN ON IN THIS COUNTRY,SO THEY TRYING TO KEEP US DOWN.THEY KNOW THEIR SHIT HAS BEEN HANDED TO THEM.I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT GOIN THROUGH THIS HAS MADE MY CLUB BETTER THAN EVER.THIS IS ONE F*@%ING HELL OF A COUNTRY AND I PROMISE YOU BY HAVING MY CLUB AND A FEW OTHER’S IS ALSO WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY GREAT.CONDOLENCE’S TO JUDGE COOPER’S FAMILY AND TO THE SMALL DICK’S WHO HIDE BEHIND SKI MASK’S,”KISS MY ASS”!!GREAT BLOG REBEL AND GREAT COMMENT’S BY THOSE WHO ARE HERE!TO MY BROTHER’S BEING UN-JUSTLY BEIN HELD TAKE IT EASY YOU’LL BE HOME SOON ENOUGH.WE GOT YOUR FAMILIES BACK!HAPPY 40TH MONGOL NATION! MFFM.

  48. sled tramp Says:

    Doc Jones: Thank you for your kind words.I have copied them and duct taped them across my mouth.When my wife reaches for a number ten skillet, I just point to your very nice post.
    VFFV and FTF:After a 16 hour nap, I dumped out a whole bottle of whatever that shit was the medics gave me.Sorry I didn’t share.I’m embarrassed about my postings.Apologies.
    It’s a fucking monsoon out there but I haven’t been on my bike in three days.Enough is enough.I need to look at life through a ape hanger window.I’m going for a putt…
    sled tramp

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