Mongols Inc. Strikes Back

July 21, 2009

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For the last three weeks, Special Agent John Ciccone of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has been frantically trying to ferret out every single piece of Mongols Motorcycle Club memorabilia he can find. Even Mongols have been embarrassed to see him like this.

“The little fella is losing it,” one Mongol confided.

First Ciccone stole a box of tee shirts at a Mongols party. Then about a week later he sent Los Angeles County Sheriffs to the home of a former Mongol named Maurcio Montano. Montano has been in a wheelchair for 20 years but he is an ex-Mongol who sympathizes with the club so the Sheriffs tossed his home and confiscated a Mongols clock, a Mongols picture, an ancient Mongols cut, three Mongols tee shirts, two beanies, two bandannas and a Mongols belt buckle.

Then Ciccone shut down the crappy motel in Lancaster where the Mongols had planned to hold their national run. The club made other plans. Ciccone tracked them down, stood outside their new residence and “screamed.”

What Do You Think Ciccone Screamed

Ciccone, according to witnesses, screamed that he had seen “two shirts and a belt buckle” that day and he wanted them. Later, Ciccone was seen breaking into Mongols cars with a lockout tool. He told the Prospects he had a warrant. They asked to see it. He said he lost it.

Maybe Agent Ciccone was speaking metaphorically. Maybe he is more self aware and emotionally evolved than he appears. It is over 100 degrees in Los Angeles these days. Day after day. It was 115 last weekend in Lancaster. Obviously it has been a very long, exhausting investigation for Ciccone.

“This dude seems crazy and doesn’t seem to care about the law,” a Mongol complained.

Something Is Happening Here

All of this hysterical theatricality is part of the governments plan to do something to the Mongols that has never been done to any motorcycle club before. A couple of weeks ago, good citizen John Walsh of the Fox television show America’s Most Wanted explained it this way:

“The ATF did something that’s never been done in the history of outlaw biker gangs. Some biker gangs like the Hells Angels market their tee-shirts and their colors and stuff and if people really knew how you get your colors by doing some of these terrible things they probably wouldn’t buy these products but the ATF is this close (holding fingers an eighth of an inch apart) to owning the Mongols logo and that if you wear a Mongols hat or a cut jacket or if you wear their tee-shirt it will be against the law. I think it’s a really good way to hit them right in the financial belt.”

It might also be just the teensiest bit unconstitutional, too. As a friend of this page named Alexey recently asked. “In Ameriki up this crap with you put?”

The Club Strikes Back

Yesterday the latest incarnation of the Mongols, the Mongols Nation Motorcycle Club Incorporated, filed a motion with the court that “the seizure of personal property bearing one or more of the Club’s (Trade) Marks, in violation of the First Amendment rights of the Club’s members, cease and that property be returned to its owners until such time as the forfeitability of the Club’s Marks and the personal property is finally determined as part of the ancillary proceeding.”

The Mongols current intellectual property lawyer, John W. MacPete of Dallas, goes on to argue that by allowing the seizure of the “personal property of the Club’s members, the Court’s Order is effectively silencing their symbolic speech in violation of the First Amendment.”

And, in a 14 page motion with another dozen pages of attachments, MacPete even, finally, raises the argument that the Mongols have owned their trademarks “Since 1969-1970, well before any of the Defendants were ever members of the Club.”

There is a very strong possibility here, that the Mongols may at last have found the right lawyer. For the first time in months it is no longer a forgone conclusion that the government will successfully seize the Mongols patch.

And, maybe that is what is driving John Ciccone nuts.

And oh, and by the way. If you are in a bar and the fellow in the photo above sits down next to you? Watch what you say.

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42 Responses to “Mongols Inc. Strikes Back”

  1. JAMES Says:

    FRED PHELPS NEEDS HIS ASS BEAT.

  2. Sargas Says:

    What is happening to MY America? What next? Putting yellow stars onto “Undesirables”? Burning books that they deem “unchristian”? Electing Fred Phelps as President?

  3. ME ME ME Says:

    THAT NUT COP IS JUST MAD MAD MAD ! BECUSE IF YOU GUYS GET YOUR PATCH THAT MEANS HE NOT THE BIG SHOT!-NOOOO BOOOOK DEAL!!!-AND HE OUT THERE BECUSE NO ONE ELSE CARES BUT HIM HA HA HA!!GET A LIFE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS BUT HE WANTS TO BE A HERO AND FROM WHAT I HAVE HAERD THAY ARE SICK OF CICCONE CRYING ABUOT IT ALL THE TIME THAY HAVE A NECK NAME FOR HIM THAT ALL CALL HIM BUT I CANT SAY BECUSE HE WOULD NO HOW SAID IT SO GOOD LUCK AND SORRY NOOOO BOOOOK DEAL LAME MOO

  4. DOC Says:

    dear solo

    Madonna (born Madonna Louise Ciccone; August 16, 1958) is an American recording artist, actress and entrepreneur. Born in Bay City, Michigan, and raised in Rochester Hills, Michigan, she moved to New York City in 1977, for a career in modern dance. After performing as a member of the pop musical groups Breakfast Club and Emmy, she released her self-titled debut album Madonna in 1983 on Sire Records.

    Who Fuckin’ knew

  5. solo Says:

    is it true there is a website started where people are actually posting pics and personal info,family ,childhood,etc about Ciccone?
    I have also heard that peopl are wearing or selling gag tshirts with Ciccone dressed in mongol attire pics! does anyone know where i can buy some ,christmas gift ideas! LOL thank you for the help and info!

  6. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    FLASH !!!!!!! MONGOLS ON WAY TO GETTING PATCH BACK

  7. John Cokos Says:

    Great Blog!

    Came across your site while doing some reading on the Mongols mess. Been around the scene since the 60’s, seen a lot of shit come and go. Most of the brother’s I knew are dead or in the joint.I must be doing something right, still here talking about it. What I sense is a lack of “instutional memory” of sorts on the issue’s raised on the matter, can’t know where you are if you don’t know where you’ve been. The past is prolouge to the future.
    There is another parallel with the Breed MC here in PA. The Phila Chapter was scattred to the four winds ala Doc and the Pres was a handed a 36 year sentence. The club is now just a bunch of meth addicts and felons.
    My point is this: Your either a Gangster or a Biker.If your a Gangter ala John Gotti or Tony Saprano fronting the biker lifestyle, who give’s a shit about end result of your misdeeds. I’m not shedding tears for Doc or the club, you reap what you sow. I hear a lot of scantimonius breast beating from some of the posters,if your going to try to compare organized crime(or dis-organized crime) with the 1st or any amendment, gimme a F—kin break. Some of the discourse is well though out and intellectually sound, the rest are bringing knives to a gun fight!
    Well, when I look at the scene as it is now, I have to wonder whatever happened to the gene pool to bring us to this point.Kunckle dragger’s and mouth breathers. They are no Sonny Barger’s in the mix, no matter what you might think of him.

  8. SBW Says:

    The Court has issued an order to stop seizing items belonging to one member already its only a matter of time before the whole club will be able to keep their items bearing the trademark “MONGOLS” logo.

  9. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    LOOK FOR MONGOLS TO START COME BACK STRONGER AND SMARTER , PARTY THIS WEEKEND . BUT LOOK FOR RAID .
    RESPECT. STEVE

  10. Also To Mooch Says:

    HEY MOOCH
    WPWW FOREVER BROTHER
    HOWABOUT WE GET LOADED AND LYNCH SOME FUCKIN NIGGERS
    88/14

  11. BEANER Says:

    WELL ITS JUST A MESS!!! THE ATF AND THE REST OF THE PIGS SHOULD BE GOING AFTER THE CORPERIT FUCKS THAT BRAKE THE LAW>>> BUT THEY WONT BECUZ THEY HAVE $$$ TO GO TO COURT, AND FIGHT BACK, AND THEIR FOR THE GOV. DOESNT WANT TO GO TO COURT BECUZ THEY WILL LOSE MONEY!!! ITS ALWAYS ABOUT MONEYYYYYYYYYYY… MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE WISH THEY COULD BE 1%ERS BUT THEY CANT, ITS NOT FOR EVRY ONE…BUT THE ONES WHO R KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO WEAR THOSE COLORS WITH PRIDE… AND THE FEDS CANT TAKE THAT FEELING AWAY!!! BOTTOM LINE IS “WHAT GOS AROUND, COMES AROUND”, ITS ALL ABOUT KARMA KIDS………………………….

  12. Nookster Says:

    I have to tell you, I’ve been through the system and all of these federal agency’s know exactly what they are doing. They are deliberatly creating villians. Motorcycle clubs are easy out front targets. They don’t give a flyin fuck about your rights are the constitution. They majority of the people in this country are like sheep who hide in closets and refuse to open their eyes. Content that everything big brother tells them is the truth. If the feds told them to march in line to a slaughter house they would. Its the reason anybody and everybody will get indicted once their brought to a grand jury. Because all of these “citizens” believe everything the feds say without question. These fucking agents have so little to do they create these types of bullshit cases so they don’t have to deal with real criminals, like many of the corperations in this country and around the world. Law enforcement and the prison system is a huge industry. Why do you think they keep arresting a half a million mofo’s a year just for smoking pot? This thing is so dirty and corrupt it’s sickening and the majority of Americans could care less!

  13. Not Surprised Says:

    I think it safe to say that the majority of American’s have no knowledge of 1% clubs except what they read about or watch on TV. I think this is also true of most Cops. I think it safe to say most people have never met a member of a 1% club; at least not the larger ones.

    So there is a mystque; part fact, part fiction and generally, the most talk about any 1% club comes from Cops or ill informed authors. Look at this Fuck of a Mayor saying “and they kill our children.” I know what he meant and am pretty sure the reporter misquoted him, because he was talking of course about drugs. But here is an elected official flat out stating that the Mongols are baby killers. Nobody corrects him; he does not have to be accountable for what he says and it makes terrific copy.

    It is easy to villify a certain group. Hitler did it probably better than anyone. It is easy to propagnadize. It is a fact that the FBI still uses a book about a major 1% club written in the late 1980’s, as a “tactical guide” to train local and state police officers.

    It is hard for the Public to care about anything they cannot put a face on. Yes, many people live vicariously through many venues. TV and the internet are the two main mechanisms of this.

    Even when there IS something positive and uplifting printed about a 1% club, detractors are always on hand to point out to the ignorant what a ruse this is.

    1% clubs are fairly easy targets because very few people care about them. Cops are always assured their name in the newspapers when speaking on a 1% club and likely as not, any interview or opposing comment solicited from a 1% club is generally not allowed by the club.

    So, he who controls the information controls the public view.

    Americans have always loved the “bad guys’; since the days of Jesse James when highly fictionalized exploits were sold for a penny.

    But also, Americans have insisted that there ARE “bad guys” and when there are not, we will gladly invent them.

  14. Rebel Says:

    Dear Mr. America,

    Thank you for your long and thoughtful comment.

    Yes, Doc took over the club. In multiple recorded conversations late in 2007 Doc said, basically, that a Mongol should not be judged by how many years of his life he had put into the club but by his willingness to gee up for Doc.

    I am not sure it is a matter of Judge Florence-Marie Cooper being overzealous so much as that the Mongols Motorcycle Club is just now starting to initiate an effective legal defense. Some of the Magistrates in this case are asses but I am not sure I would say that about Judge Cooper. She just rules on the motions. The Feds have been way out in front on this case. The Mongols are catching up way fast.

    “All citizens are presumed innocent” and so on. Look, partner, this is a police state. This is about heroes and villains and the police are always the heroes. Don’t you ever watch television? The villains may only protect themselves with “legal technicalities,” like the Constitution.

    The issues that you raise are very large and they are issues that I think about every day. How did the old Revenuers become the motorcycle club police? Who are these undercovers? How is it that basically one tour of duty undercover with a motorcycle club leaves some guys like Billy Queen and Jay Dobyns so emotionally wounded? Yet other guys like Darrin Koslowski just roll through club after club, betrayal after betrayal, without the slightest twinge of conscience? How come the only guy covering this case is me? Why isn’t the AP all up in this? Am I nuts? Is this my fucking Moby Dick?

    I am really trying to understand what is happening here. Today to that end, I have a long out of print book four inches away from my left hand as I write this: “Frontier Violence: Another Look.” Even if the Mongols under Doc were much more violent than I think they were, anything they did pales in comparison to what happened throughout most of American history. Why is everyone so outraged about the Mongols? Why is John Walsh so outraged?

    I think there is a real hysteria about motorcycle clubs in this country now. Frustrated, oppressed Americans live vicariously through bikers. Bikers, not just patch holders but their fellow travelers, their brothers in the wind, are really much more representative of the American soul than any police department.

    Louis Brandeis said the most basic human right is “the right to be let alone.” I think all of these ATF undercover operations, not just Domino and Black Rain, are a war on that basic right. I cannot begin to tell you how important I have grown to believe this case is. Trying to fix what is wrong with America by attacking motorcycle clubs is like trying to fix a sucking chest wound with leaches. The least it is, is stupid.

    Your pal,
    Rebel

  15. Mr. America Says:

    Hello, I’ve been following this story for some time now, wherever I can. This is a very interesting and huge case for all Americans. John F. Kennedy once said; “When one man’s right’s are violated. All man’s right’s are violated”. My interest and forte’ is not in the Study of Law, so much. It’s more towards social and behavioral science, respectively.

    It appears to me, that the Mongols Motorcycle Club may have been infiltrated not only by Law Enforcement. But, also simultaneously by a criminal street gang. Ruben “Doc” Cavasos said himself; He and his people “Tookover the club”. He wasn’t necessarily voted in. Most of the members of the Mongols MC didn’t seem to know who he was. Because he wasn’t in the club for very long. Certainly, not long enough to be the National President of one of the largest motorcycle clubs in the world.

    To me, He and his cronies would be similar to a parasitic virus that has introduced itself to and invaded the body of the Mongols MC. When Doc Cavasos and his cronies began recruiting and conducting themselves (Against Club Rules) like unprofessional “gang-bangers”. And nothing, like professional “club members”. The main body of club members, did and were attempting to get this parasitic gang out of their club.

    So now, it seems that some over-zealous Judge and her even-more over-zealous law enforcement officials (Who all, appear to be going a little Coo-Coo) are attempting to destroy the entire body of the Mongols MC membership. (You’re supposed to avoid killing the patient, while trying to cure the disease). These law enforcement officials now appear to be motivated by hate, rather than by professionalism. Because now, we have Federal and Local Law Enforcement making warrantless attacks on American citizens and their personal property and homes. And, seizing the clothing right off their bodies? In public? This is an absolute outrage! And this, in my opinion would be a huge infringement on someone’s Civil Rights and Liberties, under the protection of the U.S. Constitution. “All citizens are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law”. Here, in the Good Ol’ U.S. of A.

    I’m also at question here with law enforcements techniques of arrest and interrogation? They attack and arrest. Then, isolate the prisoner for long periods of time, in an uncomfortable hot or cold environment. And question him for hours, days, weeks, and months, at all times of the day and night. In an intentional attempt to make him suffer, and break him down. At the same time, feeding him, his friends and family, and of course the press false information and propaganda. Until he loses hope and his connection with reality. This is pure “Domestic Government Torture”. Being carried out by Federal and Local Representatives of the American Government. (I can’t believe I’m typing this). I just find it hard to believe that American citizen’s (Whether you like them or not) are going through this Old KGB-Style treatment. The Government doesn’t have to like you. But, they are obligated to protect and defend your Civil Right’s. Though, it does appear that this ruling Local Judge and her henchman John (Johnny Coo-Coo) Ciccone and his cronies have and are continuing to disregard The Constitution of the United States of America. They’re actions of late, are seriously in question. All the way to the study rooms of the Supreme Court. The Government can not legally prevent an American citizen from wearing any type of clothing that openly expresses the mere-word “Mongols” on it. That would be like suggesting, noone could wear clothing that said “Cowboys” on it. Now, we have Law Enforcement Officials attacking people and their homes, without warrant, seizing their property. The Government never shutdown the entire Dallas Cowboys franchise when a few of their members may have violated the law. Or, label them a Criminal enterprise.

    In finishing my rant, I’m sure many of the Mongols wouldn’t claim to be choir boys. Though, I would guess some were? And, I would guess some, if not many, are American Patriots. Who, have served this country and shed their blood, sweat, and tears defending and protecting the freedoms of others. I would say, most deserve the protection of our Constitution, just as any other American. Don’t force all the innocent to suffer, for what a guilty-few have done. Let’s not forget who we all are, American’s first. Everything else second. Hooah!

  16. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    MY BAD ABOUT THE DOUBLE POST
    RESPECT. STEVE

  17. prettybitch Says:

    Rebel,

    Because you said you’re psychic, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and see what transpires LOL.

    Thanks again, PB

    P.S. and no, I am pure woman and not one to hide behind the computer.

  18. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    Put money on it Lil Rubes hits the street in August.Mark this date down
    Respect, Steve

  19. Bear Says:

    Rebel, pal; can you share a little of whatever you where sprinkling over your dinner the night you wrote the prediction above? Happy, happy grey cells!

  20. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    Put money on Lil Rubes hitting the streets in August.And put this lil note down .
    Respect Steve

  21. little guy bigg balls Says:

    Hey, This goes to “U Know Me”, I would love to get a hold of that tape, i’ve been harraseed over and over by, Montebello police and cock sucker Cervantes, My car car got broken into also, i really need some proof that these guys were breaking into cars that night, I also filed a complaint on the department Thanks Bro

  22. Rebel Says:

    Dear Anarchyfactory,

    The federales are out of control. There is no one to stop them. Basically, Ciccone is using federal police powers to enforce part of a civil suit. Basically, Ciccone is saying, “If you don’t like it, sue back.”

    I have been trying to get a handle on Judge Cooper for months. In this case I think she gets to become a minor figure in history. And, I think the lady knows it. If I were Ciccone, I wouldn’t be so fucking cocky. All, of this heavy-handedness might just come back and bite him in the ass.

    There is nothing illegal with the prospect patch. There is nothing illegal with the full patch. It is a civil action. That is all. Not criminal. Different rules apply.

    I will tell you this. Ciccone is making an historic ass of himself. Ciccone better pray this forfeiture case never goes to the Supreme Court. If it does, Ciccone will become a legal term. And not in a good way.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  23. Rebel Says:

    Dear Prettybitch,

    Love your name. Sure hope you aren’t a guy.

    Trust me. Okay? Doc will become a celebrity.

    First Doc will go on Donald’s Trump’s “The Apprentice.” Then, in episode one, John Ciccone will kick down Trump’s office door and arrest him for conspiring with Doc and several special guest stars including Lil Rubes to murder, witness intimidate and corner the American recreational drug trade. All of this will be caught on hidden camera and Ciccone will then break down doors all over America looking for grey business suits and extravagant hair pieces.

    It will all be a ratings bonanza. Doc will then publish another book, “Mongols Tried To Get Me But They Got Got: My Harrowing Undercover Journey Into the Dark Heart of Some Really Rundown Bars in the San Gabriel Valley As Told to Jay Dobyns Soon To Be A Major Motion Picture!!!”

    On screen, the part of Doc will be played by Russell Crowe. Doc will complain that Crowe “ain’t pretty enough to dream about being me.” At the premiere, Ciccone and four swat teams will parachute onto the red carpet and arrest Crowe.

    The actual charges against the Australian movie star will be “sealed.” They will be “sealed” because Ciccone will swear in an affadvit that Crowe will be murdered by Al Quaida if he is told what he is actually accused of doing. All Russell Crowe souvenirs on four continents will be seized and destroyed.

    Ciccone will be photographed running over the the souvenirs with an antique road grader. The photograph will grace the cover of US Magazine. Larry King will interview Ciccone’s mother. Mom will explain she has never seen her son look so happy before.

    Doc will be on TMZ like every night. He will do a guest turn on, “But I’m A Celebrity So Get Me Out of Here.” Some blonde chick on some tabloid program will accuse him of being “washed-up.” Soon after that blonde chick, whoever she is, mysteriously disappears Doc will announce that he has formed an “exploratory committee to consider seeking the Republican nomination for President.”

    On Jimmy Kimmel, right after Joe The Plumber and right before Sarah Palin, Doc will explain that “America better respect because I’m running this country now.” Then he will beat the absolute living crap out of Plumber Joe. The audience will cheer. As he stalks off the stage, Doc will throw Mama Sarah over his shoulder. Then they will ride off to a romantic weekend in Park City, Utah.

    Paparazi will photograph Doc and Sarah eating a romantic, candlelit dinner at Robert Redford’s restaurant. Doc, noticing the paparazzi, will order the waiter to “man up and take care of that fucking camera.” When the waiter looks confused, Doc will tell the guy he is fired. “I don’t care how much time you have in this fucking restaurant,” Doc will say. “The test of a good waiter is a waiter who is willing to gee up for me. You’re fired!”

    “Hey,” the waiter protests. “Isn’t that Trump’s line?”

    “Not anymore,” Doc explains.

    Mama Sarah will be reported to look “very tired and very much in love.”

    And all of that will be, like, the first week of June, 2010. Then the “Doc mania” will start to get really weird.

    Your pal,
    Rebel

  24. DirtyBruin Says:

    Wow – Ciccone’s meltdown makes me want a Mongols support shirt just to raise the twit’s blood pressure; does anyone think we can get him so worked up he starts bleeding from the ears?

    Isn’t part of the point of a warrant that one has the paperwork and therefore can prove one has the right to do whatever? Thus, if one has “lost” the warrant – one cannot actually USE that warrant? I know that they wouldn’t have done it, but I think it would have been hilarious if the club had called the local cops to have Ciccone arrested for breaking into their cars, since he couldn’t prove he had legal authority to do so. ;)

  25. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    TWO WEEKS AGO THE MONGOLS HAD PRINTED UP 20 CALIFORNIA ROCKERS AND 20 PROSPECT PATCHES.
    FEDS RAID THE GUY WHO SEWS ON THE PATCHES TO THE VEST. THERE IS NOTHING ILLEGAL WITH THESE PATCHES . WHATS UP WITH THIS REBEL ? YOU HAVE ANY INFO ON THIS.
    RESPECT STEVE

  26. prettybitch Says:

    I just spent the WHOLE day at WORK reading this entire website (pretty good, huh?) and I just wanted to say, “Rebel, I too have been following this Mongol thing since Operation Black Rain blew open that fateful October day and out of all the websites, especially ones with threads, yours is the most professional and informative.”

    Good work.

    I won’t go all into it but this whole thing does stink. Doc’s mayhem on the Mongols will not go unpunished; I feel sorry for him and his kin. I know a lot of members who NEVER liked this guy – everyone I knew said he was bad-news! He ruined a good club.

    To all you Mongols still out there, stand tall and stand proud. I have a “feeling” you’ll be flying that patch again (well, I can hope can’t I?)!

    To Rebel… you’re one damn smart cookie :)

    Take care – PB

  27. Not Surprised Says:

    First, my Respect to both Sohn and Mooch. Cooler heads seem to always prevail.

    Rebel, thanks for being so dilligent with all the facets of this story. Not mainstream, but to those of us who have an interest, regardless of club association or lack of it, your Blog is a gold mine.

    I tell my kid that, at the end of your days, if you can look back and say you did more good than bad, nothing else matters.

    Thanks for stikcing up for the voicless Rebel

  28. Mooch Says:

    Sohn-
    The ebay seller has different stuff every few weeks. I haven’t seen any HA stuff recently but when we first found this guys auctions about a year ago he had small support patches that had the deaths head on them. He was also selling outlaws patches, bandits stuff, and 1%er diamond patches in different color schemes, including red and white. white backing red lettering.

    And yes it was sarcastic, nothing against any of the clubs i named. it was not a slam at them. it was that fact the guys name is “T-Dogg”, he says he is in a club, so with a name like “T-Dogg” especially with the two g’s, I made the reference to black clubs. essentially calling him a nigger without out right saying it. though i guess i did now. what do they say? if you have to explain a joke its not a good one? oh well maybe next time.

    And thank you for the advice.
    take care

  29. Sohn Says:

    To Mooch
    I looked and didn’t see any unlicensed Hells Angel merchandise.
    Since you guys asked for help here’s some. First, you need to appoint a couple of guys to look for anyone using your intellectual property illegally, then have your new Intellectual Rights attn. draft a standard cease and desist order that you can copy and send out to anyone using your marks, remembering that “if or whether it can be confused by consumers” which can be a broad interpretation not just limited to motorcycle clubs. Then mail off letters to anyone that is infringing on your trade mark. If they don’t destroy or return said objects to you, take legal action- which is civil not criminal and can reap financial rewards.
    Your new attorney seems to be on the ball,good luck.
    Also, what did you mean about being proud to fly the Eat Bay Dragon patch and Magic Wheals patch. It sounded sarcastic to me. Am I wrong?

  30. Rebel Says:

    Dear Not Surprised,

    It is not about the restraining order anymore. At the end of June, Doc Cavazos gave his permission for the Federals to begin the actual seizure of the Mongols trademarks. One stage of this is to find any item of merchandise that features the forbidden logo or name, steal it and burn it. The order reads:

    “the United States is further authorized to conduct any discovery for the purpose of identifying, locating, or disposing of property subject to forfeiture pursuant to this Order and Rule 32.2(b)(3) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. ‘Any discovery’ shall include all methods of discovery permitted under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.”

    That is what is going on now. This is the basis for invading people’s homes and other private spaces in search of Mongols clocks and photos from the long ago. I have thought all along it is really suspect. What next? Go into newspapers and libraries and seize old photos of Mongols from the 70s? Shut down this site the next time I mention the Mongols?

    What happened Monday, is that the Mongols seem to have finally found a lawyer who actually gets it. After Doc “agreed” that the ATF could have the trademarks, nobody, including Mongols Inc., had any rights to the trademarks. Finally, John W. MacPete is contesting that. And, he is being cagey about it, too. Obviously a very smart guy. He is using exactly the right line of argument.

    I think MacPete is a game changer. I think the Mongols have a very good chance of keeping the patch and the name. This is Judge Cooper’s last case. She will retire after this one. MacPete needs to convince her that she is defending the Constitution against the forces of police repression by letting the Mongols keep the patch. If he does that, the Mongols are going to win.

    Rebel

  31. C8652 Says:

    Blood is in the water .. and a good lawywer can smell blood. This case is going to continue and run its’ course. No doubt about it. But I learned a long time ago that everything that is written as “a matter of uncontroverted fact” must stand the test of time. So time and pressure. It’s a knife that cuts both ways. The pressure is on the Feds to close the case and wrap up as many kills as they can. There will be procedural mistakes, ruling errors .. et al and these will be the foundations for the appeals as evidence and previous rulings are tossed and dismissed.
    Time and pressure.

  32. hammer Says:

    come to my house in vegas and try breaking into my vehicles..or my house to do your seizure and see what happens….wear your vest

  33. C4 Says:

    Not that I agree with the injuction, because I don’t. (It’s obvious that The ATF is targeting the Mongols because they are a smaller club than the other so called OMGs we know about. Let’s face it, it’s easier to defeat a small army than a large one). But, it’s one thing to confiscate Mongols’ cuts, bandanas and t-shirts, etc. when they are wearing, selling or displaying them in public. But to barge into people’s homes and search every nook and cranny looking for memorabilia to confiscate for some reason brings to mind Nazi soldiers barging into the homes of jews and stealing their belongings. Maybe the ATF can get an order to tattoo serial numbers on the forearms of all the Mongols and since no one will recongize the Mongols without their cuts anymore, making it hard for cops to spot them, maybe they can make them wear some kind of bright yellow star on their chest.

  34. To Mooch Says:

    I’ve seen this guy along time. So he is making knock off items. Piece of shit. Thanks for setting me straight on this Mooch,

  35. Littl Guy Bigg Balls Says:

    I wanna know what the fuck is ciccone’s, fucken problem!! When you see ciccone you see Cervantes there next to him holding ciccones purse, whats up with these two clowns.

  36. Mooch Says:

    To: Not surprised

    One:The injunction is not limited to only defendants in this case. at the moment ATF and local police have been seizing anything with the word Mongols on it, or logo from members and supporters all over the country.

    Two: the reason the Ebay items do not say MC is because before Black Rain was executed the Mongols told this citizen that he was making and selling trade marked items. so he changed it to cover his ass legally. he also makes and sells HA items and Bandido patches. he has no affiliation with any club.

  37. tinkadinka Says:

    well all i can say is i feel violated…that he is allowed to piss on our civil liberties…i witnessed the events of the last event and he was laughing and joking after he was caught trying to break into cars..

    he is a punk and a coward how can he look at himself in the mirror..telling the public he is protecting us while all along breaking the law him self

  38. FTF Says:

    What I’m gathering by Ciccione’s actions is that probably he knows his actual case is not all that it’s built up to be. Maybe, just maybe, all the hype is about to come to an end and we are going to actually see what his case is really made of. He knows this and is using what little time he has left to run his muck in hopes of finding something to validate his pathetic existence.

    I’m glad to hear that they have a lawyer who’s on the ball with it now, and hope to see that little shit of a man put back into his place along with Kaslownski, and Guyone.

  39. Not Surprised Says:

    My understanding was that a restraining order was implemented, but with limitations. Only those named in the indictment and “associates” were barred from displaying or selling, etc. Mongols merchandise. You don’t hear of these tactics say in Indiana. Just in Ciccone’s back yard.

    Am I the only one who finds the actions of a tenured ATF Supervisor (when really any law enforcment officer in CA could easily do the work) a tad on the extreme? The Assets Forfeiture clause of RICO certainly does contain applications where items deemed of value and germain to the “profits derived from a criminal enterprise” can be siezed, but breaking into cars, etc. is WAY over the top.

    Again, “IF” I am correct, the Mongols still retain rights, just that an order is in effect temporarily until I think Cavazos is sentenced some time in the future.

    At any rate, one can go to E Bay and enter the word “mongols” with NO “MC” after it; scroll down and see several pacthes which to me look for all the world like geunine club support gear, being auctioned off.

    I mean right now.

    Maybe because the e Bay seller is not named in the indictment nor is actually an “associate” or relative, he or she can still do this.

    Legally. Maybe the Order is effective only under the judicial jurisdiction of that particular court; i.e. Southern California.

    Regardless, the out front tactics of this guy are disturbing. They are in effect comparable to J Edgar Hoover himself participating in a raid (back in the day). there is no purpose other than harassment being served in Ciccone’s “New Sherriff In Town” shake downs, likley surrounded by at least a dozen armed and uniformed Cops.

    Reminds me (a little) of that Dude in “Walking Tall” who carried an oak limb around. Except I think your average oak limb probably exceeds by length, Ciccone’s full height.

    John, if you really have the mid-life “need” to display your waning manhood, get a blow job or something. Maybe from Jay Dobyns.

  40. U KNOW ME Says:

    HEY JOHN CICCONE GOT U ON AND CERVANTAS ON TAPE IN THE PARKING LOT HARRASING ME FOR WHAT I ASKED??? THEY REPLAYED CAUSE WE CAN SO I GET HAND CUFFED BUT ONCE THEY SEEN THE CAMERAS ROLLING THEY HAD NO PROBLEM TAKING THEM CUFFS OFF.

  41. JAMES Says:

    He’s probably mad because he caught his wife in bed with a few of the BROTHERS.

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