For those of you who might be considering an insanity defense, as in the ATF and all its undercover agents must be crazy, we offer for your consideration the following brief conversation. Jay Dobyns, former ATF Undercover Agent, author, television personality, good guy, hero and victim shared these intimacies with Fox News personality Shepard Smith on Smith’s show Studio B. The show was scheduled to air today.
And now! Here’s the star of Undercover Outlaw Bikerland! Give a big, biker welcome to…HERE’S JAY!
Jay Dobyns: on a previously recorded tape. “I’ve actually come to the conclusion that really, probably the only people who hate me more than the Hells Angels are ATF’s management. I want to restore some peace to my family’s life. Uh…but I’m not gonna do that…it’s not gonna happen…by being moved all over the country and hiding like I’m the bad guy. I’m the good guy in this. I stood up to the bad guy. Uh…and, the people that I thought had my back in all of this didn’t.”
Shepard Smith: “Dobyns told his story in the book No Angel. 20th Century Fox owned by this network’s parent company bought the movie rights. Jay Dobyns joins us now live and we’re not going to tell you where he is. Jay, thanks for being with us. The Hells Angels burned down your house with your family inside. Fortunately they, uh, escaped. They put a contract on your head. And then! They sent a written threat to you about your wife and daughter. What did it say?”
Dobyns: “There was a threat that was issued from a Hells Angel in prison who threatened to kill me by injecting me with AIDS. And there was a threat to videotape the gang rape of my wife. There was threats to kidnap and torture my kids. And ATF chose not to investigate those threats and to basically ignore them and wait for them to go away.”
Smith: “The ATF was supposed to give you a new identity? Kinda hide you? What happened?”
Dobyns: “Well they saved some money by doing it the easy way. They just relocated me. I was left in the open. And, as the new threats came I…kept…being…found. By the suspects. By my adversaries.”
Dobyns: “Well you know, when you do what I do for a living; when you befriend people and you do it under a false persona…uh…and then you betray that friendship and that trust and that loyalty….”
Dobyns: “You create adversaries. But, uh, I expected that.”
Dobyns: “What I didn’t expect was for the government to not support me or not to investigate the threats that were made against me.”
Smith: “Uh…You’ve stopped running. Why and what do you intend to do?”
Dobyns: “If I run anymore, they win. You know, I’ve been very proud to be an ATF Agent and to confront violent predators on behalf of America. And…if I run away from those people it empowers them. And, uh, ATF’s inability…DOJ’s inability to investigate. Lack of desire to investigate the threats against me…I’ve had to take it on myself to defend myself from an international crime syndicate….”
Dobyns: “That of me and my family.”
Smith: “You think the Assistant Director of the ATF – his name is Larry Ford – do you think he lied to Congress? How so?”
Dobyns: “Well Senator McCain – Senator John McCain from Arizona – was attempting to help me. ATF looked into the allegations I made. They found that they did nothing wrong…um…I have a letter right here… ( waves a piece of paper)…uh…that Director Ford sent to John McCain. Saying that the agency hadn’t done anything wrong. And then DOJs independent oversight agencies found the exact opposite: That they had in fact not investigated threats and left me and my family, my wife and my kids, exposed to death and violence threats.”
Smith: “You’ve got a couple of lawsuits against the government for their failure to protect you and all the other things we’ve been talking about. Their response was we can’t talk about ongoing litigation but they also in that statement, they were very conspicuously pointing out that you’ve written a book. As if to suggest that perhaps you’re sort of exaggerating or making stuff up to peddle a book. What say you?”
Dobyns: “There is nothing that’s is in my lawsuits or that I’ve said publically or privately that won’t be proven. Everything is based on fact. And ATF fails to take any responsibility, any accountability, for what’s been done. The statement that, uh, Director Ford issued to your program yesterday about the, uh, agencies desire to protect their agents? It is a mischaracterization. It’s….
Dobyns “…a deception of Senator McCain, of Congress and the American people.”
Smith: “Well, Jay Dobyns, uh, we surely appreciate your sharing your story with us. I hope you and your family live through this. The Hells Angels…well, they’re a pretty notorious, heinous criminal operation. Bunch of killers a lot of them. Not all. Jay Dobyns! Thank you.!”
Dobyns: “Thank you”