Did Doc Steal The Patch

June 22, 2009

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Last week in As Mongols Nation Turns, the drama was all about the patch.

Some weeks it is embarrassing to watch this soap opera. It is like watching an old heavyweight get cut up round after round by a middleweight with hands that blur. The Mongols might be strong and tough and have all the heart in the world but they are losing this case because time after time they are cruelly slow.

As almost everyone in biker land knows, the great issue in this case for people who are not defendants, or potential defendants in a superseding indictment, is the seizure of the Mongols patch. The federal court restrained or temporarily seized the Mongols name and patch the same day federal warrants were issued for 79 members or past members of the club; which was on October 22nd, 2008.

The Mongols Punch Back

Last week the Mongols finally reacted to this and their defense against the seizure is that former Mongols Jefe Ruben Doc Cavazos stole the trademark. His successor, former Mongols President Hector Gonzalez noticed this theft on October 14 – five days after the racketeering indictment against the club was filed but a mere day after the indictment was entered and eight days before the government took control of the patch.

Gonzalez, who was named in the indictment, filed what is called a “corrective assignment” of the trademarked patch and the name. He charged that Cavazos had secretly transferred ownership of the trademark to a corporation he owned, called Shotgun Productions in April, 2008. “Mr. Cavazos and Shotgun Productions fraudulently created and filed an assignment in an attempt to appropriate Mongol Nation’s intellectual property,” Gonzalez explained. The trademark rightfully belonged, the argument went, to “Mongols Nation.”

Which Mongols Nation

There have been, in the past year, two “Mongols Nations.” One Mongols nation was the “unincorporated association” which asked Cavazos to register the trademark in the first place. And it is also the Mongols nation, the unincorporated association, which claimed to have been the victim of Cavazos’ theft. And, further it is also the same Mongols nation which the Department of Justice is trying to portray as a racket.

The other Mongols Nation is a California corporation named “Mongols Nation Motorcycle Club, Inc.” That corporation was registered on December 17th, 2008, two months after the indictment was entered. And, it is not accused of anything.

President Martin Guevara

The president of this corporation is Martin Guevara who has been a member of the club since 1997, has absolutely no warrants and has been “national president since 2009.” Wait. Isn’t this? Oh never mind. This Mongols nation is in no way a racket. This corporation “is an organization devoted to promoting the common interests and beliefs of its members including recreational riding and shared socio-political views.”

Guevara acknowledges that “The defendants in this criminal case are members of the club,” and he goes on to explain that, “In accordance with the club’s rules and by-laws, and my decision as national president of the club, the defendants’ memberships in the club were suspended following the indictment and they are currently not in good standing with the club.”

Big Ups To The Lawyer

And, then in what may be the most wonderful display of mendacity and legal legerdemain in the whole history of American law, the corporation, which calls itself “the Club” and was formed in December 2008, equates itself with the club “founded in 1969” and the club indicted in October 2008 and demands the return of its trademarked name and patch. All due respect to all Mongols, whatever the word Mongols now means or might mean in the future, whatever now means or is means or screwed means, but this a lot like killing your parents and then demanding mercy from the court because you are an orphan.

The author of this argument, and his mother certainly must be proud, is a former Los Angeles County Assistant District Attorney named John W. MacPete. MacPete is now an intellectual property lawyer with the fine firm of Locke, Lord, Bissell and Liddell LLP. And, he actually got the judge to listen to him for about a minute.

A hearing to test this argument had been routinely scheduled for July 13th but the prosecution objected and last week Judge Florence-Marie Cooper cancelled that hearing and scheduled another for August 3rd, 2009. That hearing will determine whether the Mongols nation that was incorporated two months after the government seized the patch has any valid interest in this case or not.

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30 Responses to “Did Doc Steal The Patch”

  1. FATF Says:

    Doc his son and brother are the biggest pussy rat bastards on earth!!!!!

  2. ANARCHYFACTORY Says:

    AS OF RIGHT NOW THE MONGOLS ARE USING MFFM TOP PATCH AND STILL THE ” MONGOL ” CENTER LOGO AND CALIF LOWER ROCKER. TOP ” MONGOL ” PATCH WILL RETURN SOONER THEN MOST THINK . FEDS TAKING A HIT

    RESPECT STEVE

  3. JAMES Says:

    AND TO M.MALONE, YOU HAVEN’T A CLUE AS TO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE 81 AND MONGOLS MEET HEADS UP, MONGOLS DEFINATELY DON’T TAKE CRAP FROM ANYONE OR ANYBODY, YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE.OR BETTER YET GO TELL A MONGOL TO HIS FACE HOW YOU THINK, GUYS LIKE YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN SHIT STARTERS WITHOUT HONOR.I WASN’T EVEN GOING TO POST TO YOU BUT , WHAT THE HELL, YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

  4. JAMES Says:

    Also the FEDS supposedly had the TOP and CENTER PATCH TIED UP , was a falsehood, They only had the word MONGOLS, they filed later on the CENTER and that was after the initial filing which was too late, so the CENTER as in all articles was never an issue.

  5. DirtyBruin Says:

    James: Now that’s interesting news! As Rebel’s still apparently on the road – do you have a reference to a story about that?

    It’s heartening to hear that there’s a chance the club will be able to keep their patch and associated intellectual property out of the hands of the government.

  6. JAMES Says:

    THE JUDGE COOPER HAS DECIDED AT THIS POINT THAT “DOC” DID NOT OWN THE MONGOLS M.C. PATCH, SO NOW IT WIL BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE OUTCOME, I BELIEVE THE MONGOLS M.C. WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST.

  7. FTF Says:

    M

    You are one hell of an internet gangster my friend! Even got that happy face thing down too! Did they teach you that in the clubhouse while you sat in your red flip flops and red shorts wearing your cut?

  8. M. Malone Says:

    The Mongols are a friggen joke. They get their asses kicked by the Hells Angels in almost evey encounter, and are running scared of them now, in particular. And the Feds have them by the nuts. It’s going to be great to watch the HA’s take over their territory and maybe (if the mongols beg and plead enough) leave them with 1 or 2 club houses to crap in:)

  9. BreakingPoint Says:

    Redback;

    I understand your feelings about the way some things are posted. However, I just want to pass along , REBEL is a good reporter and also he gives us a sight to come chat about our issues. Believe it or not I once thought he was a cop, trying to host a chat room to get people to drop dots, so later the cops can play connect four. I was wrong. Redback, if you are like me and have a rough back and take brotherhood to that level I take it and we can relate- then trust me on this. “Rebel will grow on you and you will come to respect the way he handles business.” As info becomes available he will get it out. Now remember, some info is still within club’s and may not get to Rebel in time. Understand , when info is readily available I’m sure he will get it to us. Have a little faith. Also, understand I don’t always agree with him, but at least I can come here and express my anger on set issue and I might have people agree or disagree.

  10. Redback Says:

    Cool Rebel.

    And by the way … only sometimes do I think that I know it all … but then the JD wears off and I wake up and realize it was but a fleeting illusion.

    Never intended to threaten you. That really isn’t the way I do business. Don’t rightly know how you got that impression but if you did … not the case. I’ve got no respect for people who run around makin’ threats … either do it or shut up, is my philosophy. Anyway, hope that makes it a little clearer.

    Totally agree with what you say here:
    “I happen to think that is really bad not only for the Mongols Motorcycle Club, and not just for all motorcycle clubs, but for the democracy. I really do partner. And, I don’t mean to offend you by calling you partner. I call a lot of people partner.”

    And it’s the “democracy” that anyone with half a brain should be worried about too because if they do this thing to one group they will do it to others … MC related or not. And apart from anything else, far too many good men, and women, have died protecting democracy, that alone should be enough to keep democracy alive and well … but, there are many who don’t value the sacrifices, the blood and the toil invested. Anyway, now I’m rambling and that’s a whole new topic.

    Take it easy,
    Redback

  11. Rebel Says:

    Okay Redback,

    Let me give this one more go and then we can agree to disagree.

    First of all, you know, of course, that I cannot have any contact with any of the defendants because, even though I am not a Mongol, some authorities would construe that as a form of “third party association.” So, let me just state right now that I have never talked to or had any form of contact in any way with any Mongol since this whole case started. Okay? You with me? In fact, now that I think of it, I don’t think I have ever actually seen a Mongol in my entire life.

    But, sometimes I am psychic. It is a gift. And recently, very recently I had a dream where an officer with some club, somewhere, who I happen to think is a likable guy, appeared to me and he said:

    “A lot of us aren’t worried because whether people want to believe it or not we are a motorcycle club and the majority of us like to ride and enjoy the brotherhood of this club and aren’t into criminal activity.” And then he explained that a lot of chapters outside of Los Angeles “have been running without Doc this entire time. So other than the patch, this case hasn’t affected (them) all that much.”

    And, I am guessing, Redback, that what you keep trying to say to me is something like that. Am I right? Only you are not actually trying to have a conversation with me. You are trying to threaten me. Right?

    Nobody has actually talked to me, you understand. Because they cannot. But when I do imagine a conversation like that, it makes me want to try to do a really good job on this story no matter how fucking sick of it I am. No matter how fucking sick I get of taking shit from morons. So I am probably not going to shut up. Live with it, Redback.

    Now, as far as the patch and the right of the club to legally call itself the Mongols, and the probable cause issues, and sentence enhancement issues, and the potential “gang injunction” issues in California go, I happen to think that is really bad not only for the Mongols Motorcycle Club, and not just for all motorcycle clubs, but for the democracy. I really do partner. And, I don’t mean to offend you by calling you partner. I call a lot of people partner.

    I think this is a big mess. And, I get it. You don’t. You think this is nothing. And, also you are pretty sure that I don’t know anything. I get that, too. You are at least partly right. I do not know everything.

    And, if I follow your line of reasoning correctly, none of this legal unpleasantness matters because you got that Mongols feeling deep down in your heart, deep down in your heart. And, let’s see what else. I am “trash talking” the Mongols and the “least I can do is show some respect” and what I am writing on this case is “regurgitated garbage (I have) read someplace or heard 10th hand from (my) cop buddies.” Think what you want. I don’t care.

    My favorite part is where you ask me if I have interviewed “Doc.” No, I have not, Redback. I have not interviewed Doc. You got me there. You don’t happen to have a phone number for him do you? I would like to interview him. I really would. Do you think you could set that up for me?

    I think the bottom line is, if you don’t like me don’t read me. Probably I hair some Mongols off. Oh well. I am not trying to do that. I am trying to be sympathetic to the club. I know for a fact that some Mongols find me a lot more informative than other news sources. If you don’t, ignore me and go read the Los Angeles Times.

    Rebel

  12. Redback Says:

    Evenin’ Sohn … by all means, send me the images you’re talking about … [email protected].

    And assuming what you’re sayin’ be true, and I have no reason to call you a liar, than you know what brotherhood is about. Your post however, the one I responded too, did not indicate that. I don’t care if you are biased against the Mongols! Hell, everybody dislikes somebody and somtimes for a damn good reason, but I reserve the right to respond likewise.

    Again, if I have misjudged you with regards to the “brotherhood” comment than I’ll be happy to take that back … you see … as far as I’m concerned, brotherhood comes first, second and third- and fuck the rest!
    Redback

  13. Redback Says:

    Rebel … you’re not about to get any gushing platitudes and or gratitude from me on this issue! If you don’t like what is being said to you, then you aught not be posting on a publically accessible site and two, you definitely aught not be trash-talking about a club, and signing its death warrants, that has stood toe to toe with the best of them, and has more than stood its ground and gave as good as it got under all circumstances. Has the club got issues now? Yeah, sounds like it do! BUT, and here’s the rub, how about you wait before all facts are out and judgements have been made, and all sides have been heard, and the dust has settled, before sprouting off abot the club being dead! Eh, wouldn’t that be a better option? Or aren’t you the kind that does that? Or have you heard ALL the facts? Talked to the key figures involved have ya? Interviewed Doc, or Mike or any of the officers, have ya? Give me a break man! Least you can do is show some respect! You don’t have to like the Mongols, or any club for that matter, but if you’re going to say the crap you been saying than do it based on fact and not regurgitated garbage you’ve read someplace or heard 10th hand from your cop buddies.

    Have a nice day,
    Redback

  14. DirtyBruin Says:

    Sohn:

    Not that my opinion matters much (on this site, it’s our Genial Host’s that counts), but your comments have struck me as evenhanded and sensible. Pointing out that mistakes were made is simply telling the truth, not any kind of slander against those who made those mistakes. “Sometimes, the truth hurts.”

    DB

  15. Sohn Says:

    dear Rebel,
    I read posts about old articles from last to first, so I don’t have to re-read posts. I commented on Redback’s post before I got to yours, thanks for defending me. I honestly think if people really read and take the time to think about what the articles say and what’s said on all the posts they would get a better understanding of everything and it would help everyone. I know I’ve learned from my own mistakes but I’d rather learn before I make them.
    Probably your friend
    sohn

  16. Sohn Says:

    Redback,
    You seem to know a lot about things. Help me out with some of your hard earned knowledge. I can’t change my ignorant ways by being called names; give me something of substance that can help me out.

    I know that I have lived through RICO trials (trials being plural) facing multiple years (over a hundred) and didn’t have to suffer the fate that these poor guys are suffering (rats not included) and am proud to say that me and my co-defendants stood our ground without implicating anyone or any group. I’ve been shot at on different occasions and stood my ground, while watching the punk @$$3$$ that started it run like bitches (i even have a video of one such occasion that I could mail you). I’ve been involved with the military (though nothing life threatening ever came up). I’ve raised a son on my own, have a family for which I provide. Been involved with a Motorcycle Club for over fifteen years -over ten as a full patch member. I realize I can still learn more though and am always willing too. So, help me out.

    By the way, any of my posts on this page or any other haven’t been meant as derogatory and don’t read as such to me, but they obviously hit a cord with you. I don’t argue on the internet (because, as the saying goes “arguing on the internet is like winning a gold medal at the Special Olympics, even though you won, you’re still fucking retarded”) and I’m not about to start. But, I can take constructive criticism; so if you have some, I’ll definitely read it(I don’t check the site every day but I do on a regular basis) and may even take it to heart. And it’s my sincere hope that what I’ve posted on this site can help other readers, you included. I suggest you re-read everything and see if it’s the message that’s upsetting and not the messengers.
    most probably not Redback’s friend
    Sohn

  17. Rebel Says:

    Dear Redback,

    You understand I am letting you spout off to me, right? You get the part where I am letting you insult me? This is not like your God given right. This is the opportunity I am giving you to say your piece. You get that, right?

    You’re welcome.

    Rebel

  18. Redback Says:

    The Mongols ain’t dead yet, “partner!” So save your biases and sanctimonious diatribe for the bimbai, and them who don’t know better. Okay!

    If you’re supposed to be some kind of journo aren’t you supposed to be reporting the facts! You do know what they are don’t ya! And the world as we know it might be falling on you ace but mines just hummin’ along nice.

    As far as the Hessians are concerned I don’t know enough about the club to comment.

    Oh, and you ain’t my “pal.”

    Y’all have a nice day now ya hear, all cozy and nice in y’alls blinkered and biased little world!
    Red

  19. Rebel Says:

    Dear Redback,

    I know this is a frustrating time for anyone who cares about the Mongols Motorcycle Club or motorcycle clubs in general.

    Yeah, I understand the concept of brotherhood. No, I am pretty sure Sohn is not a journalist and I am also fairly certain he understands the concept of brotherhood as well. I think he might be a little prejudiced against Mongols. That is all.

    I have tried to be fair to the Mongols. The Mongols are really screwed. I think we are getting close to the point where it will be both illegal and unpopular to be a Mongol.

    I did not do it. Nobody who comments here did it. (Well, maybe some of the ATF agents like Jay. But trust me, Sohn is not ATF.) And, anything I write here, and I think a lot of the comments here, are meant as a caution to other clubs. They are meant to say:

    Here! Look! This is what happened to the Mongols! Don’t you do this!

    I am not talking about the Mongols as individual patch holders, prospects, hang arounds, ex-Mongols, friends of the Mongols or admirers from afar. I am talking about the Mongols Motorcycle Club which was founded in 1969 and designed its patch in 1970. That institution, well, it needs a miracle.

    The Hessians, for whom I have always been fond, were once a very major club with something like 500 members. Now I just never see Hessians anymore but from time to time I hear about them. You know, like you hear about ghosts? I really hate to have to be the one to tell you this partner, but the Mongols are going to disappear more thoroughly than the Hessians have.

    And, that does not make me happy. Okay? I do not rejoice in telling you that the Mongols as a club and as an extension of Doc Cavazos’ enormous ego were very stupid about their club business and that as a result of that stupidity the fucking sky is falling. Okay? So take this any way you want.

    Duck Redback! Duck! The sky is falling! It is the end of the fucking world as we know it!

    your pal,
    Rebel

  20. Redback Says:

    Well said James. Doubt that Sohn (Rebel maybe) will understand a word of it tho. You need to understand broterhood- through experience, be that a MC, a platoon or company or anything else that entails relying on the man next to you- to know what brotherhood acctualy is. Granted, there’s a few in the motorcycle world who have no damn clue either, but these get found out sooner or later, and suffer the well earned consequences. As for Sohn, just a disrespectful nasty piece of work who couldn’t lie straight in bed. Last I heard journalists / reporters, at least the real ones, are meant to report facts, not strive to satisfy their feelings of inadequacy through vomit and bile.

  21. KVAGoyle Says:

    Rebel….you’re pretty darn articulate…glad to be reading articles written with intelligence….just because I’m a Vago supporter doesn’t mean I don’t like to read good journalism. Keep up the good work!

  22. JAMES Says:

    TO REBEL, SOHN, AND ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED,ANYTIME YOU HAND OUT YOUR CLUBS PATCH TO JUST ANYONE IN ORDER TO BUILD UP AN ARMY AS DOC CALLED IT AND DID SO WITH OUT TEACHING ANY OF THEM HOW TO BE A BROTHER AND A GOOD CLUB MEMBER, LEAVING BEHIND YOUR OLD GANGBANGER WAYS YOU WILL BUILD A BAD FOLLOWING, ALSO BY HANDING SOMEONE SOMETHING THEY DID NOT EARN THEY WILL SHOW YOU LOOYALTY AND IT IS EASY TO TEACH THEM JUST WHAT YOU AND A FEW INVOLVED IN YOUR SCHEME WANT THEM TO THINK IS THE RIGHT WAY,AND YES THE NEW PEOPLE IN CHARGE AS I HAVE IT ARE CLEANING HOUSE GETTING THIS BACK TO A MOTORCYCLE CLUB, AND WHILE DOING SO ARE NOT TURNING THIER BACKS ON ALL THISE ARRESTED, A SELECT FEW ARE THE REAL PROBLEM AND ALOT OF OTHERS GOT CAUGHT UP BECAUSE THEY WERE EITHER HAVING A COURT PROBLEM OR HAD DONE SOMETHING THAT MADE THEM LOOK AS INVOLVED BY ASSOCIATION, BUT NO WAY ARE THEY ALL BEING OUSTED FROM THE MONGOLS M.C.

  23. Sohn Says:

    I hate to tell you that I told you so, but I pointed this out on June 9th in a comment left about the article “Are the Mongols Screwed”. That day, I also went to Shotgun Enterprises web site and tried to solicit a response about Doc but didn’t receive any comments back. And I don’t remember if I read it on this site or another; but, it’s been said his book was used in a court room to convict a member of the Mongols in a non-related case already.
    Because of all this, their intellectual lawyer, unfortunately, has an extremely uphill battle. He has the book, news interviews and the interview on “Gangland” to contend with- where a large number of Mongols participated(I’m assuming some that are not indicted). The only redeeming thing they have going for them is that Doc is a liar and easily impeachable. I know for a fact that several of the statements made in his book were lies and could easily be proven as such. Their main problem though is proving where the “good will” of the intellectual property lies, and luckily or unluckily for them we have a court system for that. And as anyone can tell you, it can go either way, so they’d be foolish not to try.
    I wish them well, but for any groups out there that have individuals holding their intellectual property -Caveat emptor !

  24. Rebel Says:

    Dear FTF,

    I think Martin Guevara is doing what he can to save the club by officially, at least, disowning the indicted Mongols. I do not know what he has said to any of the indicted men. If I knew I would not say. But, it looks like Guevara is asking them all to take one for the club with the understanding that they are still brothers.

    Astounding case, isn’t it?

    Anybody out there spotted Doc? Any US Marshalls or ATF Agents who are lurking out there want to give me a hint? Yeah, I know you are out there. Throw me a bone. That story I wrote about Ciccone was practically a valentine, you know. Give me a hint. Where is Doc? Is he in Sitka? Is he in Guantanamo? Is he in el lay?

    Rebel

  25. FatBobber Says:

    Ducks in a row – the smart will survive and move on – the stupid and careless will go down in flames. There’s good and bad in every club, if you’re bad, and you happen to have that patch right now, you’re going to pay or plea. Pay and keep your dignity, do your time – plea and get yourself a good cover-over tat artist, change your name to Biff, dye your hair blond, and buy a Prius, and move to MO!

  26. FTF Says:

    I am going to have to say something here and now. I know a lot of the Mongols who were indicted were not behind Doc. They didn’t do anything more than be a part of a club, most as officers in said club. And for some lame who was “out bad” to come in and start saying things like “they are in bad standings with the corporation” is nothing more than a stab in the back. Many of those who are out on bail, or still residing in the custody of the BOP are trying to keep the faith and are going through hell because of it.

    For this guy to say what he is quoted here as saying, well he’s got a whole lot of nerve. Many have lost everything, and stand to lose a whole lot more. What kind of person betrays someone in their time of need? What a joke!

    Reading many of your other posts I’ve learned that many of those indicted are taking deals, and I would suppose it’s due to the pressure the US Attorney’s office is placing upon them. But now I can see why many are taking deals.

    To be a Brother means you have one another’s backs, and if you look at all of this you can really see that the “club” has nobodies back in this. Hell, I bet that as soon as this indictment went down many were quick to jump on a bandwagon and abandon those who were still “Brothers”.

    Honestly, Rebel, I appreciate your site, it’s informative to a degree that’s very depressing for someone like me to see happening. There are just no more “stand up guys” left in that “club” it seems anymore, with exception to a few those indicted I should say.

    I can’t believe what I just read.

  27. Rebel Says:

    Dear James,

    This was a perfect shit storm. John Ciccone and his merry band at the ATF are not stupid. They are not supermen but they are not retarded. And, I am not a Mongol so I cannot say for sure, but what I have heard and read that Doc Cavazos did with that club is just so stupid I do not know how he got away with it for as long as he did. He made the investigation easy for the ATF. He let ATF agents patch in, patch in, without prospecting. Undercover agents! And, worst of all, he made the Mongols into an organization that could at least be portrayed to be a blatant criminal enterprise.

    I do not yet know how much entrapment went on in this investigation. There had to be a lot. There always is. But in some cases all the ATF had to do was follow the money from the street up to Doc. I do not even want to go into the celebrity Doc Cavazos. But I will.

    Can I be frank? Doc thought he was going to appoint himself to be the new Sonny Barger. Book. TV appearances. Publishing parties. Whom the gods would destroy they first would make king. Motorcycle clubs are impregnable when they are: 1) about brotherhood and not money; and 2) when they remain heroically democratic. When it is a bunch of guys in it together and not just one guy calling the shots.

    That is what is drowning the Mongols. The Department of Justice can prove it was Doc Cavazos “gang.” I do not know whether target number one is Doc or the Mongols. It is starting to look like the primary target, at least in this indictment, is the Mongols. If the Feds want the Mongols bad enough, maybe they will make Doc an offer he can’t refuse. I do not know that this is going to happen, but I can at least imagine Doc on a stand. Imagine, okay. I am not accusing Doc of anything. But, I can imagine a prosecutor asking him, “Doc, was this your criminal gang?” And, Doc goes, “Oh yeah. For real.”

    Good luck partner. Keep the faith. Enjoy your weekends.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  28. Rebel Says:

    Dear Dirty Bruin,

    You are a clever guy. The owner of the patch should be a corporation, owned by a holding company, owned by a Lichtensteiner anstalt. Lease the patch back. Exactly right. Chinese boxes full of ghosts. Always love it when guys leave smart comments.

    Thank you very much.

    your pal,
    Rebel

  29. JAMES Says:

    RUEBEN CAVASOS WAS NEVER ASKED TO INCORPORATE, HE TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO DO THIS “IN HIS OWN NAME” I WILL NOT GO INTO ANY OF THE REST OF THIS SAGA BUT IT HAD ONCE BEEN INCORPORATED IN THE EARLY 80’S BUT OVER TIME WAS NOT KEPT UP TO DATE AND ALL OF IT’S ITEMS DISSAPEARED, RUMOR HAS IT WAS CONFISCATED AND NEVER RETURNED.

  30. DirtyBruin Says:

    Seems like the Mongols never heard the old adage, “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”

    Even clubs that took care to incorporate and trademark and such before now are probably reviewing what they can do to protect their intellectual property, in the event the Gov’t winds up in possession of the Mongols patch. If the tactic succeeds, I have no doubt it will get used again on another club. I’m no lawyer, but I imagine there are IP specialists who could find a clever way to place a club’s patch in possession of a legally spotless entity who then leases it to the actual club for a token fee, or something. If the club screws up big-time – well, they were only leasing the rights – it’s those Fine Upstanding Citizens over there who actually own the logo….

    But of course as you clearly point out, Rebel – something like this has to be done in advance. I guess none of the higher ups at the Mongols ever heard the Boy Scouts motto either – “Be Prepared.”

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