Romantic Fantasy And Grim Reality

August 8, 2018

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Romantic Fantasy And Grim Reality

A month before it appears on cable FX’s new biker shoot ‘em up, Mayans MC already looks like a hit.

A hit is a show that can sell a lot of commercials and charge a lot of money for allowing them to appear in the show.

The weekly trade magazine Broadcasting & Cable announced today, in case you hadn’t already noticed, that Mayans MC was the fifth most successfully promoted show for the fall. The research is intended to be read by both production executives and ad buyers. The data was collected by an enterprise called iSpot.tv. Most of it is statistically arcane. At the risk of oversimplification, the research calculated several categories of data including “impressions,” “attention” and the value to the network of each show’s promotional ads. “Impressions” is a measure of how many times a promo for a show has been seen and “attention” measures how many times viewers have watched the promo all the way through.

Number Five Right Now

Overall, Mayans MC came in fifth. It probably would have been higher but its ad campaign is just getting started. In this statistical race it finished behind 90 Day Fiancé on TLC; The Sinner on USA; The Great Food Truck Race on the Food Network; and Yellowstone Live on National Geographic. According to Broadcasting & Cable, 160,026,315 viewers have watched promos for Mayans MC, about 92 percent of them paid attention and the value of the airtime to show those commercials, virtually all of it on FX, was $1,529,001.

These numbers are intended to reassure ad buyers and corporate suits that Mayans MC will be a hit. Producer Kurt Sutter’s previous biker drama, Sons of Anarchy, was a hit. Working against the show is Harley-Davidson’s recent conclusion that far fewer people are interested in playing outlaw biker now than a decade ago. Much of Sons of Anarchy’s initial success was built on Sutter’s insistence than that show was more truth than fantasy.

Just A Motorcycle Club

Mayans MC’s truth seems to be that the members of this predominantly Chicano club in Southern California is an organized crime cartel masquerading as a rough and tumble group of public-spirited motorcycle enthusiasts. In the show’s most recent promo, below, a jackass in a bar remarks to a Mayans prospect “That’s a fancy vest you got there. That your badass gang?”

The prospect pauses while the audience gets a look at what goes through his head. The audience sees many quick scenes of Mayans being an astoundingly badass gang. Finally, the prospect humbly and ironically replies, “Just a motorcycle club man.” No doubt, that promo is meant to make its future audience tingle.

Of course the Mayans will be the most violent pack of beasts ever.

Which raises the question of how far out on a limb are Kurt Sutter and FX going to hang the Mongols Motorcycle Club. Sutter’s biker operas are intended to be seen by the general public as romans à clef – true stories with thinly disguised real characters. At least for the first three or four years, until it became a chick show, and when it wasn’t being described as a brilliant reimagining of Hamlet, Sons of Anarchy was a roman à clef about the Hells Angels. The show was intended to give viewers the vicarious experience of being a Hells Angel.

Authenticity

Sutter bragged on it. At the Television Critics Association press tour two months before Sons of Anarchy premiered Sutter said, “I didn’t want to get involved with anything that I felt I could not do authentically and, you know, I can’t mention any organizations, but one of these organizations sort of opened their doors to me, and I got to see it firsthand.” The “organization,” wink, wink, was of course the Angels.

Everybody got that Sons of Anarchy was supposed to be an inside look at the Hells Angels – even federal appeals court judges. In 2014, Ed Carnes who was chief judge of the Eleventh Circuit described a local gang called the Guardians as “a case of life imitating art imitating life.” The Guardians Carnes said, were “inspired by the fictional motorcycle gang in Sons of Anarchy, itself modeled on the real life Hells Angels.”

The very night Sons of Anarchy premiered, on September 3, 2008, at virtually the same moment, the president of the San Francisco charter of the Hells Angeles and, reportedly, an advisor to the show, Mark “Papa” Guardado, died in a street fight with a Mongol named Christopher “Stoney” Ablett. Almost immediately the Sons had a dramatic antagonist “ripped from the headlines.” Sutter called them the Mayans and they were a thinly disguised interpretation of the Mongols.

Reality

Now Sutter and FX are going to do an entire series about the Mayans and it seems logical to wonder what impact this fantastical television program will have on at least three criminal cases pending against the Mongols club or individual members. The cases all accuse the Mongols of being the Mayans in disguise – which in fact is exactly what the network just spent $1,529,001 in one week trying to do.

The first of these cases will be United States v. Mongol Nation. It is now scheduled to begin on October 30, the day Mayans MC’s eighth episode will air. The government’s case against the Mongols, in a nutshell, is that they are really the Mayans.

The second case will be State of California v. David Martinez. That trial is now scheduled for February 2019. Martinez is accused of killing a Pomona, California Swat officer named Shaun Diamond as a Swat team broke into Martinez’ home at four in the morning. The raid was to serve a search warrant. It was, essentially an indicia search. Police, knowing that Martinez was a Mongol, searched his home for evidence that he was a Mongol. Which is to say, the police used their powers to serve a search at four in the morning as a form of punishment. Prosecutors will undoubtedly try to present his membership in his motorcycle club as proof of his guilt.

And, 23 members and alleged associates of the Mongols are facing numerous charges including murder in a federal case in Clarksville, Tennessee. None of those cases have yet been scheduled for trial. But chances are good that Mayans MC will still be alive when there finally are trials.

Jury Tampering Or Art

The romantic fantasy FX is about to present to the world is going to influence all these cases in favor of the prosecution. FX probably won’t address this problem because they will not see it as a problem. Sutter and his fellow conspirators will see the conflation and confusion they create as artistic virtue. Maybe Hollywood will, too. Maybe Sutter will finally win an Emmy.

Maybe after he does somebody will be able to ask him why he decided to make a fantasy set in the grim now instead of a show set in the romantic long ago – when a collection of disprized combat veterans, calloused to violence, not afraid of much except possibly cobras and none of whom expected to live much longer anyway, found each other after Vietnam and decided to start a motorcycle club.

That one wouldn’t confuse jurors about anything that has happened recently. Sutter has talked about making a show something like that.

That’s the one I would have made, And that’s probably just another example of why Sutter makes the big bucks. Instead of you or  me.

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72 Responses to “Romantic Fantasy And Grim Reality”

  1. Sohn Says:

    @i.j
    The ones that were in it are pretty easy to get a hold of, you should ask them.

  2. Jus Sayin Says:

    @Paladin

    I know. This will be my last post on his site though I wil still read it with great interest. Now I’m going to go put on my SOA cut and jerk off to Wonder Woman…

    JS

  3. Austin Says:

    @Jus Sayin re: “Kurt Sutter will make way more off this show than any of you talented individuals will ever make in your lives.”

    Maybe you never learned the most important part. Opinions are like assholes…
    Here is a little reminder – Money isn’t everything.

    I made a difference.

  4. Freebird Says:

    @ Mark

    Traded my popcorn for some domestic gross product from the Pacific North West….

  5. Mark Says:

    @ freedird,
    Rented it from redbox on a chance, wife and I liked it and have a few good laughs. Worth every penny of the redbox price. Lot of things going on at the same time in this movie and it all makes sense. Got popcorn, beer?

  6. I.J Says:

    Are any of the Hells Angels going to star in this up coming fantasy so as to make it a reality show?

  7. FF Says:

    Jus sayin

    I literally was only able to get through half of the first paragraph in your post. I feel like I’m back in high school and I have a clean up on aisle 12. Do us all a favor and empty the drool cup, dribbles.

  8. FF Says:

    white witch, get your johnny mop and scrub out your chone. Then get your ass in the bedroom PRONTO and strip!

    Now, white witch!!! NOW!!!!

  9. freebird Says:

    @ Jus sayin

    What fucking size helmet do you wear…..

  10. Shovelhead Says:

    Jus sayin,
    You don’t have a clue Pig! And I’m guessing you never will.

    I’d rather have that Angel in the video you posted beside me than the guy who clocked him. I know you don’t understand why, and that’s fine by me.

    Respect to the real 1%

  11. Paladin Says:

    @ Jus sayin;

    No one cares.

    Paladin

  12. jonny sumo Says:

    While agreeing that White Witch has a point; it is just a tv show,I think the important thing is that it does/has done massive damage to the people in the life. It shouldnt but so many people get ALL their news/info/entertainment from that screen in the corner that they can be hugely influenced by what is pumped out in front of them, and as someone stated previously; sometimes the ONLY experience some folks have of bikers is SoA…and now Mayans mc will presumably demonise the hispanic riders too.
    Not really an issue yet in UK, but I worry that eventually some govt agency will decide that we have the same ‘issues’that need to be stopped.
    I dont like the way the world is headed, the nanny state ‘protecting’ us from….well, you choose…as a US politician once said during helmet debates ‘Its my head’
    Peace to all, J

  13. white witch Says:

    white witch
    @ FF
    Yes I have a job and yes i watch a little tv.
    Do you have a job? yes i do work some 11-12 days, got a problem with that?
    What the hell does that have to do with shit.
    If you have a point or a statement say it.
    or are you just killing time until you can think of something intelligent to say
    think for a minute…don’t hurt yourself

    ride free
    white witch

  14. Aanon Says:

    What kind of man calls himself a witch? White… oh fuck. Mouse with a mouse and a keyboard. Seriously. Or is it that he puts you on the back but you wanna ride too? Less tut more strut honey.

  15. Paladin Says:

    @ White Witch;

    What makes Sutter’s propaganda and propaganda like Sutter’s so legally devastating is that there is no counter to it. When members of OMCs aren’t reinforcing the narrative (Laughlin, NV, Sparks, NV, Waco, TX, etc.) law enforcement and the media are sensationalizing any and all negative encounters (fabricated or otherwise) with MC members either for additional federal grant monies to fight organized crime or to boost their audience ratings or both.

    When one factors in the fact that members of MCs tend to wear a unique identifier, any crime committed by an individual now becomes a conspiracy committed by the MC, which now becomes a de facto criminal enterprise, subjecting all to prosecution under the RICO statute.

    Regarding your statement about the intelligence of jurors: In George Christi’s last criminal trial, the judge presiding over that case told the prosecuting and defense attorneys that they would both be better served if they were to strike a deal, due to the fact that the court was running out of jurors that hadn’t been influenced by watching Sutter’s SOA.

    Paladin

  16. Jus sayin Says:

    Sorry for the double post, I didn’t think my first post went through and thought I would refine my views a little more better. So , where do I start! Again, I am not in any way affiliated with any club, but the IO, fake ass club or not, has Jax Tellered the fuck out a mongol, a black piston, and some dumbasses girlfriend in a very short period of time. Again, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
    As for shovelhead and your education; my brothers and I only wear the same outfits when we go to work but we call them uniforms. Our vests are bullet proof and only get worn on special occasions. We do not have to wear matching outfits when we go out drinking to demonstrate we have each other’s backs, we just do, it’s unspoken and unnecessary to speak of. As for not understanding, the first bike I got to ride when I got home was my buddy’s bike. I rode it with his dad in his and another buddy’s (they were from the same town and passed on two separate trips) memorial poker run and had to borrow his boots from his dad because I did not expect to go for a ride. I simply came by on the way home to pay my respects. So I rode a buddy’s bike, wearing a buddy’s boots, in two buddy’s memorial poker run. F***k you I don’t understand. I do resent your insinuation that I’m not “a real man.” That was really mean and I wrote that in a safe place…
    New England Rider- I know how certain death is, it’s not just a catch phrase for me… and fyi- It’s hard as f***k to run my mouth from behind a keyboard. Im a terrible typer. I prefer oral arguements but sometimes choke on my words. I thought the video was funny in its one sided ness. I also thought it was funny how the dudes buddies just scattered once the ass whooping commenced. Not a soul stepped in to do anything but break it up.
    FF- I had a very similar experience and discovered AR the same way you did. In a shthole dreaming about riding my softail again. I also had a couple of buddies join and hang around an MC or two, they were quite disappointed to find out how it really was. A bunch of old punks talking about how hard they used to be and a bunch of young punks talking about how hard they wanted to be.
    White witch- I concur
    Oldskewl- I do not write for anyone nor read any of the publications you referenced, I have also reserved my very sophisticated opinion only for the most sophisticated audience.
    Thank you all for your time
    JS

  17. FF Says:

    @white witch

    Obviously you don’t watch tv. Do you have a job? 12 hour shifts?

  18. white witch Says:

    white witch
    @ oldskewl
    This a guy speaking dickhead if you have something to say to me say it to me.
    I read the fucking story and I stated an opinion that you are free to disagree with
    But I would think someone with a name like yours would show a little respect.
    But i guess that is to much to ask for some of the people that blow shit on this site.
    You are not what your name states clearly.
    I treat everyone with respect until they show that they do not deserve it
    you my friend don’t deserve any so STFU and go back to your mamas basement

    ride free
    white witch

  19. freebird Says:

    This story has parallels with shutting up Freddy……

    Control the information… control the outcome

    Call it what you want, it is jury tampering plain and simple

  20. oldskewl Says:

    rebel – I can answer that, no, she didn’t read it!

    @ Just saying;
    You can tell a lot about a person by the way they type and the things they say, some of those same thoughts and writings are repeated elsewhere, in blogs like throttle something. Maybe I’m mistaken, Rebel would know more than I do.

    OS

  21. white witch Says:

    white witch
    @ Rebel,
    Respects Rebel,
    I read and respect your articles and post. i just think we are making to much out of
    a fantasy tv program. I would hope that the accused would have lawyers to point out that it is fantasy and not reality that they see on tv.
    DA’s are going to say all kinds of crap to get a confiction. That is why we have defense lawyers. Believe me i have been there and you need a good lawyer for sure.
    But i believe most people if presented the facts will have the intelligence and common sense to see it for what it is…..a fucking tv shown maybe i am wrong.
    As a matter of fact with all of the people that are going to watch this crap and emulate what they see on tv it just mind get a jury with some sympathy for bikers

    respect
    ride free
    white witch

  22. Gordo Says:

    What a dilemma for those SOA fans with their tshirts etc

    Have to go get their new Mayan gear now

    Money marketing and BS

    The real issue is the criminal proceedings where the defendants will probably NOT have an impartial judge and jury

  23. Rebel Says:

    Dear White Witch,

    No, jurors do not know it is a TV show. Judges do not know it is a TV show. FX will tell them it is a fucking documentary. That may not bode well for defendants in RICO cases against motorcycle clubs. Particularly defendants who are Mongols. Didn’t you read the story?

    Rebel

  24. white witch Says:

    white witch

    Does everyone know that it is a fucking tv show. i don’t know why everyone is getting so caught up in worrying about a fucking tv show! hardcore bikers concerned about what a tv show is going to do to our image. i personally do not give a shit about what anybody thinks about how i choose to live my life! certainly not the people that will think this show is real. It is a fucking tv show! they are going to take liberties with the truth and make it more violent than real life…It is a fucking tv show. ever watch a western tv show? do you think that is how it really was in the old west? If these mc’s think a fucking tv show is going to do them real harm then they have more issues than a fucking tv show..We as bikers have a lot more to worry about than a fucking tv show.
    It is a story worth reporting but that is it.

    ride free
    white witch

  25. Mark Says:

    Me thinks that Sutter is involved with the CIA to help open the doors for the take down of biker clubs by the FBI and DOJ. As we all know the SOA was pure fairytale BS and not close to real world reality. The jackoff’s couldn’t even ride in a real formation. And two of the characters were closet queers as the last few shows outed the homosexuals. But the show gave Bikers an image that would help convict Bikers at BS trials in kangaroo courts. Mayans is going to get the mindset going that will help railroad Mexicans to lifetime prison sentences, watch and see. Will there be any Mexican closet queers exposed in later episode like SOA? The closet queer BS showed the complete disrespect and intended slandering of Bikers to degrade them. A very personal character assassination against Bikers, no question about it. And the only reason would be to benefit jury tampering by implanting a derogatory mindset of Bikers in the minds of the general public for their take down. And yes the system and Hollywood work together for social engineering, it’s a safe money bet. This is the way I see the numbers lining up, but that’s just my opinion.

  26. FF Says:

    I discovered AR around 2012. While I was in Afghanistan, I became nostalgic, reminiscent about the “old days”. I had two friends from HS who were 1%ers. Inevitably they both got out. I’ll ride with them any day. Something was lost all along the way. A dream deferred is just a raisin in the sun. Peace.

  27. Shovelhead Says:

    Jus Sayin,

    Gee, I guess you told us! Now are you done with your little temper tantrum?

    Let me put something in perspective since you really have no clue as to what you’re talking about.

    Wearing a patch doesn’t mean you’re the best fighter out there. It means, you have the balls to stand up to anyone who fucks with you or your Brother.

    You’re not going to win every fight, but you will fight, and your Brothers know that, they know you have their back.

    That’s the difference between a punk like you and a real Man…
    I’ve been knocked on my ass before. That’s life, I still stand tall with my head held high.

    Respect to the real 1%

  28. Jay Says:

    @ Jus Sayin

    thanks for your opinion OFFICER….

  29. Iron Rider Says:

    Course Fox backed up the Brinks truck for Sutter and said how much would you like, after what SOA did for FX you knew sure as hell they were going to give Sutter whatever he wanted to do something for them again.

    I am sure in HD corporate HQ they have a little shrine in the corner of the boardroom where they pray to him to make HD’s rain again for the couch yuppies with cash to spare and good credit to finance something.

    Ask anyone who belongs to an MC what they think of SOA, and most will tell you what a joke it is and no where near based in reality. The cictzens swallow that shit up because it is a world they dont know and never will, and it is a way to escape their mundane life for a hour.

    As for the Copsacks and Urine Order filled informant and lawofiicers clubs, sorry kids, but you might call your self a club, but none of the real MC’s look at your as a club, just a bunch of nobodies trying to be somebody that they never will be.

    Whatever time Sutter’s show airs on FX I could give a rats ass, I would rather be having root canal than watch that shit

  30. Tommy Jr. Says:

    @jus sayin

    Fuck iron order.
    Or should i say- iron order(ers)? Since they order their patches online. Lol

  31. david Says:

    @ Jus Playin

    TV “entertainment” is a mind-fuck,and more money is meaningless. The joke is on you.

  32. Not the 99 Says:

    I used to get a lot of that “Cool Vest” stuff.
    I’d respond with “Thank you. I like it”

    A former brother was asked once back when I was a prospect in a support club, “Hey, are you in s gang?” He responds with “No, I’m in a Motorcycle Club. Biggers are in gangs!”
    I used that line many times.

  33. New England Rider Says:

    @Jus Sayin –
    LOL, you’re funny dude. BTW that YouTube video you linked, that guy who beat up the Angel is actually affiliated with the Outlaws so it’s not like he got beat up by some punk. I am not in the business of putting anyone on blast but that guy who laid out that Angel is no slouch. He was once a professional boxer.
    And FYI – hiding behind a keyboard and running your disrespectful mouth is so super easy, isn’t it?

    Death is certain, life is not.
    New England Rider

  34. jonny sumo Says:

    “clueless asshole alert”….priceless Rebel, priceless…
    I watched SoA, watched The Sopranos, watch a lotta shit…never believed I was watching a documentary, BUT I am not brainwashed and sitting on an American jury…worrying how people fall into this..more worrying that the courts use make believe as persuasion…peace to all, J

  35. Jus Sayin Says:

    Warning: Clueless asshole alert.
    Rebel

    Entertainment is entertainment. Say what you will, Kurt Sutter will make way more off this show than any of you talented individuals will ever make in your lives. I’m not affiliated in any way to any club ( except the one that makes regular trips across the pond to places WAY more exciting than the gas station or corner bar) but I will point out that the hated and much lamented Iron Order has done ALOT more damage to any club that f***s with it than has been done to them. Now all you good ole boy, “in my day” types, are supporting the suing of a club that has, according to the articles I have read on this site, done nothing but won when confronted by the scary 1%ers. I guess when one “legit” 1%er OMC smokes a member of a rival OMC, it’s handling club business. When a relatively law abiding club smokes a member of a badass 1% OMC it’s murder, cowardice, etc. sounds and looks like sore losers to me, if the dead can be sore…
    I will also point out, specifically to “The 906”, that the entire subculture you reference is best described as being thrown under the Prius, not the bus. That Prius was driven by a 100 lb negra that was not even worth acknowledging but, because a badass mongol cannot tolerate disrespect AT THE GAS PUMP, even from a 100lb ignorant piece of shit, he now “faces months of recovery.” Shouldn’t have brought a bike to a car fight when racing to get your brothers to handle a dumb lil Wayne looking punk I guess! You guys are all fucking clowns that think a patch means anything more than a red or blue n****r bandanna or dumbass MS13 face tat. I guess it all goes to show that when you play stupid games you when stupid prizes! Y’all romantacize ignorant white n***er shit all you want, it’s a joke.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NDOGV9dMw

  36. Jus Sayin Says:

    Entertainment is entertainment. Say what you will, Kurt Sutter will make way more off this show than any of you talented individuals will ever make in your lives. I’m not affiliated in any way to any club but I will point out that the hated and much lamented Iron Order has done ALOT more damage to any club (other than one that makes regular trips over seas to irregular places) that f***s with it than has been done to them. Now all you good ole boy, “in my day” types, are supporting the suing of a club that has, according to the articles I have read on this site, done nothing but won when confronted by the scary 1%ers. I guess when one “legit” 1%er OMC smokes a member of a rival OMC, it’s handling club business. When a relatively law abiding club smokes a member of a badass 1% OMC it’s murder, cowardice, etc. sounds and looks like sore losers to me, if the dead can be sore…
    I will also point out, specifically to “The 906”, that the entire subculture you reference is best described as being thrown under the Prius, not the bus. That Prius was driven by a 100 lb negra that was not even worth acknowledging but, because a badass mongol cannot tolerate disrespect AT THE GAS PUMP, even from a 100lb ignorant piece of shit, he now “faces months of recovery.” Shouldn’t have brought a bike to a car fight when racing to get your brothers to handle a dumb lil Wayne looking punk I guess! You guys are all fucking clowns that think a patch means anything more than a red or blue n****r bandanna or dumbass MS13 face tat. I guess it all goes to show that when you play stupid games you win stupid prizes! Y’all romantacize ignorant tribal bullshit, no different than crips or bloods, all you want. Bunch of punk ass white n****s. Jus sayin…
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NDOGV9dMw

  37. Chuck Says:

    I wonder if any actual club members will be tech advisors on this one?

  38. The 906 Says:

    I didn’t watch an episode of SOA and I won’t watch this new bullshit either. It is disheartening but even more heartbreaking to see an entire subculture full of grandfathers, fathers, and sons get thrown under the bus so some little wanna be piece of shit can get rich off of it. I need to take the advice I have given others and go off the grid and watch our self righteous society cave in.

    The 906

  39. Sandmann Says:

    Dear Rebel,

    I work for a TV broadcaster here in Germany that partners with FOX on the distribution of various TV shows. I will send this piece to my counterparts at FOX Germany to try and give them a glimpse into the perspective of those who are really about this life.

    Great writing.

    Respect to the deserving,
    Tom

  40. white witch Says:

    It is a fucking tv show. club members are being paid as consultants?!!
    if clubs are concerned about what a fucking tv show is going to do to their image and
    affect outcomes of court cases then why are they letting members be involved in the first place? Oh wait is it the almighty dollar. everyone is a brother until that dollar bill, or the law comes calling.
    fuck it I’m going for a ride

    ride free
    white witch

  41. TX_Biker Says:

    Maybe we’ll be able to add a Mayans cut to the SOA cut hanging upside down in our clubhouse…

  42. oldskewl Says:

    The IO was born out of SOA suburban couch potatoes eager to look like some sort of badass and look what happened. I give it 2-3 months before we see the first Mayan logo/patch on someones back or a Mayans T-Shirt at the local mall.

    This is nothing but bad news for the Mongols and all support clubs so I hope they don’t make the mistake of featuring members on episodes. I think that would seal their fate in the Oct trail.

    Just my 2 cents.

  43. IGO Says:

    Maybe stutter can write a shit TV show about the most legally violent group of them all next. The Iron order..

  44. Filburt Says:

    This is a H-D marketing adventure to sell more scoots!

  45. Tommy Baker Says:

    Mayans M.C. will likely be another ‘rating hit’ (as Rebel so noted), even though it is “fake footage”…

    Meanwhile, real-deal / real time coverage of bikers on-the-open-road, whom cross-paths with an actual Hells Angels Charter & ride-on to “The Prison Run”… American M.C. debuts late September (actual docs-series with zero retakes or set-up… Check-out 11 Clips / excerpts from the footage: https://youtube.com/channel/UCBfqzdKPe_CzDqo1qj2_GSw

  46. Bone Head Says:

    It is now official…TV still sucks.

  47. david Says:

    Maybe Sutter is on the police-state PAYROLL, and the production company is an intell operation.

  48. Paladin Says:

    “Now Sutter and FX are going to do an entire series about the Mayans and it seems logical to wonder what impact this fantastical television program will have on at least three criminal cases pending against the Mongols club or individual members.”

    Answer: Not good.

    Based on his past portrayal of MCs, it is obvious that Sutter is willing to throw anyone and everyone under the bus in exchange for monetary gain. Those MC members that Sutter asked to work on SOA had a chance to walk away. Instead; they took the money. In doing so, they dug judicial graves for others and buried them alive. History is about to repeat itself.

    Paladin

  49. Johnny Rotten Says:

    its so unfortunate that we inhabit a slice of time that dictates such fuckery is deemed acceptable.
    first the shit was hey bro
    now its gonna be whatever the new saying is
    and a hundred new popup clubs, then the revenge clubs…
    hahahah

    it used to be they made good camoflage,
    now its whacked.

    on the bright side…
    time to build a pile of cholo shitboxes to sell to the fans
    and fer that id almost actually thank you mr. nutter
    well, almost…
    but not really
    heres kurts bio..,.
    i think it explains all the shit in soa…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY63aaHivnQ

    respects to those deserving

    Johnny

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