Sometimes, one of your comments and my response to it, gets up on the page. Because, you know, I am lazy and this is how I can get somebody to do half my work for me. Especially when a holiday is coming up. Today’s winner is Jack. Jack commented on my review of Jay Dobyns’ book, No Angel.
Maybe reading some of the other “biker” books out there will help. Hells Angels, Bandidos, Outlaws, Mongols, Warlocks, and Pagans. These are not depressed “war veterans” who are having a hard time adjusting. Yes, that may have been the case in 1948 when Frank started the Angels but do you really think Frank expected the Angels to turn into what they are?
Why do these clubs have portions of their websites dedicated to those members who are locked up? Why are the Outlaws and Mongols considered by the government to be the most violent and dangerous gangs in our country? Making Dobyns out to be a liar is fine by me. I don’t know the guy and you probably don’t either. Say what you want about the guy but what he and Queen did takes courage and balls! What ever happened to the “He who is without sin cast the first stone” thing?
Are all your sources legit? Do you never embellish your writings to get idiots like me to read to end of your less than spectacular articles? I don’t have a problem with a guy trying to make money by selling what he thinks are “harrowing” events. I’m quite sure they were.
I ride with a club and know full well that we can be all of the things he described. He admitted that everything was “to the best of my memory” or whatever. Personally, I liked the book. I liked Queen’s book and I especially liked Yves Lavigne’s book Three Can Keep a Secret If Two Are Dead. Get your hands on that one and then write some more.
Also, Dobyns was named to the University of Arizona’s All-Century team. I think a little hot dogging is okay when you’re qualified to be on that roster.
Thank you for reading and for your comments.
I do not know you and I am not exactly convinced that you have any idea what you are talking about.
Probably, the best “biker book” I have read is The Rebels: A Brotherhood of Outlaw Bikers by Daniel R. Wolf. It is dated. A friend of this page named David Haslett wrote Riding At The Margins as a Masters Thesis for the University of Canterbury. It is about bikers in New Zealand between the years 1950 and 1975 but he has some bright things to say. I would recommend you start with those two if you if you ever begin to feel less certain in your opinions.
Yves Lavigne is a clown. He is not even worth pistol whipping. Only a fool would cite Yves Lavigne as a credible source and most of what he has to say is about Quebec. He is Quebecois and he used to work for a paper up there. He knows nothing about the States except what he has been fed from the feds.
I believe William Queen had a genuinely tragic experience when he rode with the Mongols. I believe he came to love many of his club brothers and still feels bad that he betrayed them. I cannot say I am much impressed with his book.
I do not know Jay Dobyns. I think I actually saw him once in 2002 or 2003. If it was him, he was self-dramatizing to the extent that he was memorable. Maybe it was just some other jackass. We have exchanged a couple of notes. I believe that he is a genuinely likable man and I told him, “I can see how you got over on the Angels.” I think his book is embarrassingly bad. Bad, bad, bad. I hope he gets his million dollars soon and shuts up. Most recently, he has been in Britain going “Blah, blah, blah, Hells Angels Blah, blah.” His book was published there this week.
I was not aware that Frank Sadliek “started the Angels.” I have heard a story that he designed the original patch. If “Frank” is actually “Frank Sadliek.” I am not an Angel, so I would not know.
I am, however, a combat veteran and I have found my most sincere comradeship among men who ride with motorcycle clubs. So unless you are also a combat veteran, if I were you I would just shut up about that.
I will say that I have personally known Hells Angels, Bandidos, Outlaws, Mongols, Pagans and the Warlocks who ride in Philly. I have also known many members of many other clubs. Some clubs I like better than others. As far as club business goes, all of these guys can be territorial and annoying. I have never been personally mistreated by any of them.
The law enforcement industry has to manufacture boogey men from whom the people must be kept safe. That is why, this year the Outlaws and Mongols are the big, bad terror. If somebody in the government actually said that. I am fairly informed and I have not seen that accusation. Did you make that up?
No, I am not a fucking liar. I have not yet mastered the miracle of the immaculate perception but I do not just make shit up. Sometimes I am wrong but I am never intentionally wrong because I think wrong would make a better story than right-with the one exception of the Happy Happy Sober Riders. I kind of think they have all given me enough shit that now I can start handing a little back to them from time to time.
Jay Dobyns is full of shit. If I did not make that case well enough to convince you it is only because of my inadequacies as a writer and a thinker. Jay Dobyns is, after all, much more successful than I. But believe it or not, Jay Dobyns is full of shit. He is a likable, athletic, successful, man’s man who is full of shit. He has been full of shit for years.
I told Dobyns where to hide out, by the way, if he is really afraid of the Angels, if he is really afraid for his wife and kids. I meant it. I do not want to see his wife and kids hurt. I have a place hidden there -where I told him to go. I told him we could go fishing. I told him we could both go out on the same boat. I did not promise him that both he and I would be coming back.