The New, New Improved Dialogical Saloon

October 14, 2017

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The New, New Improved Dialogical Saloon

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237 Responses to “The New, New Improved Dialogical Saloon”

  1. Phuquehed Says:

    Here’s what ABATE replied to me about this:

    Laws are already on the books to cover this. There are also county and city ordinances that cover it. The problem is with enforcement. If it isn’t reported, nothing happens. Your best option is to report some one when they leave debris in the road to your nearest law enforcement. You ight want to check for local ordinances first. I have experienced enforcement for this years ago on a high rise job in Nashville. We had to sweep up some mud left in the roadway by trucks delivering material. Let me know how things go.

    Unfortunately I’ve not been able to find anything online after hours of searching and reading.

    I guess I’ll head to the mayor’s office tomorrow and ask who the fuck has the laws on the books for this county and see if I can find anything.

    The sonsabitches that blow their shit on the road need to learn a lesson one way or another. How the fuck could someone as poor as me ‘sue’ in the first place?

    I’ve actually stopped and asked shit-holes to stop and explained why. A couple have actually been cool about it and stopped, the rest did too for a couple mowings and then went right back to it.

    The cock suckers that live up the road from me, right on the corner of this road and the main road going back out toward the highway, blow inches deep grass every time they mow. I’d love nothing more than to stomp his sorry trailer trash ass, but I’d be the one to go to jail and they’d still not clean up their mess in the road.

  2. Shovelhead Says:

    Thanks Phuquehed!

    I’ve tried educating people around my neck of the woods to no avail. They look at you like you’re crazy. I’ve explained that this kills people, grass on the street is like ice. Doesn’t affect them so they don’t care.
    Reps have no problem trying to pass noise laws against motorcycles though, which is a danger to no one.

  3. Phuquehed Says:

    Hey, didn’t someone who reads here say that their state has a law against blowing grass clippings onto the road?

    I’m trying to get that bill started here in TN, but my district rep just told me to fuck off and it was a bikers fault if they wreck because they come around a curve or corner and their bike slides out from under them. He tried to inspire me to ‘Sue!’, if that kind of thing happened. No wonder the world looks at us like assholes when our fucking reps are nothing but sue happy also!

    Anyway, I wrote to ABATE, not sure how much help I’ll get from there, it’s all TN has though that I could find.

    I put up what I wrote to the rep and what he replied on my site, in case anyone wants to look at it and has suggestions. I figure if I can find out what states have this law, I can find out who I can talk to from there to encourage my rep to listen, since he apparently doesn’t care about his biker constituents.

  4. Austin Says:

    Lawnmowers? well – I’d want one that would go the distance;

  5. Lady Says:

    @Old & Jaded,

    If this one ever gives out, I will go back to a Craftsman in a heartbeat!

    As for Florida, yeah I am over roasting. LOL.

    @Johnny Rotten,

    Seriously Brother, you jinxed my a/c! ROFL. I damn near died last night.

    We will see about running over Ed if he don’t go back to work in a week or two. The girls might get a workout by digging a hole!

    Much love and tons of Respect,

  6. Lady Says:


    Darlin they are blowin smoke and we all know it. Unless they are willing to reimburse for the payments missed during the false imprisonment we all know that those bikes are gone! Not even the Federal Government can change your credit rating without going to Court on each individual account for each individual person, and we all know they are not going to be willing to do that also. What they will probably do is add this little blip to your credit report saying that there was a mistake, blah, blah, blag, yet no one that you apply to get credit from will ever bother reading it when they see your credit score. About the only way any of them has any type of chance to recoup, is to sue the living crap out of everyone involved for as much as they possibly can.

    Much love and tons of Respect,

  7. Old & Jaded Says:

    @Dasein – Checked out that link and shared with a neighbor. We both had a good laugh about mowing the lawn with a machine that could go 150mph. Not sure the lawn would get mowed but it’d be damn fun trying.


  8. Austin Says:

    Sieg – LOL – I SAID I didn’t want to stay all winter!! You are right – WI is great – for example, the cheese is incomparable. It’s very green. I swam in a lake there once and was never so cold or terrified in my whole life. Mom said – “…this is where we spent every summer when I was a girl – jump in! It’s refreshing!!” sharp rocks, eel grass, knowing there were pike in there… Yikes!

    I have deep roots in WI. Most of my dead relatives are planted in Barron, Chetek & Superior, or Duluth. My 2xGreat Grandpa built things that still stand in those places as well as Hayward, in Bob Zimmerman’s town, Hibbing, Duluth and Bemidji MN. His daughter, my GreatGrandma married H. Christensen and they ran a little fishing net business. (
    Betty’s Pies, THAT Betty, is a cousin of my Mom. My Mom was born in Superior, and hated wind & cold and went to UCLA the minute she graduated. She only went back twice that I know of until she died in 2011. We visited Betty, and her pie IS great! The Edmund Fitzgerald took down a classmate of Mom’s, two years after she went back for her re-union. My Dad’s Mom didn’t wait that long. She went, at 14, to finishing school in Ohio, then moved to New York City, and landed in Pasadena, CA by the mid-1920’s. In our house- nothing was ever as good (cheese, Vernor’s) as it was in Wisconsin – but wild horses or the Publishers’ Clearing House Sweepstakes couldn’t get us back there again. I wish Id known my relatives, and gone ice fishing, or gotten better at net tying… but, Que Sara!

  9. Sieg Says:

    I mow something like five acres, and I use a…

    who gives a fuck?

    Hey, Austin…IOWA?!?!?!? Are you fucking kidding me? Shit, go out there in the winter sometime. People give me shit about living in the Northwoods, hell, at least we got trees to stop the wind! A Brother of mine moved out near Dows..tules, bigtime. Wanted me to move out there too, so I spent a week out there over the Yule, many moons ago. Talk about a howling fucking wasteland! And Heathens? Not fucking hardly. Bunch of tight-ass American Gothic types, all had family been there a hundred years and fuck you sideways if you didn’t.

    Course…that was back before motorsickle bus were all hip n shit, so maybe it’s different now. Anyhow, come on over to Wisco sometime before you decide for sure.


  10. Shovelhead Says:

    I’ve been out that way a few times, love the old farms and rolling hills. Seems to be a pretty good Biker culture out there.

  11. Shovelhead Says:

    Austin & Phuquehed,
    Thanks for the info. Seems so hard now a day’s to find America, but maybe I’m just not looking in the right place. Having lived most of my life in the North East, from Boston to Maine, you get to the point where ya can’t stand it anymore.
    Too many people all squashed in together and too many laws enforced taking your freedom away. Maine is more open woods, but not a lotta jobs & cold!!
    I’ve been looking at property online in Oregon & West VA, Tennessee areas. So it’s funny you both mentioned those places.

    I like people but don’t want to see or hear them from my home. When I find the place where I can Hunt, fish, grow my own Veggies, ride, and smoke the night away in peace…I’d be happy to spend the rest of my life there.
    I have Family in So. Cal. But way too expensive there for me. I just watched a movie call Children of the Corn, Reminds me of Iowa…LOL! The open space is tempting though.


  12. Cap'n Bill Says:

    I agree with most of your comment. I’m about 30 miles north of memfrica(memphis) so we get a bit of the nonsense, but not too much. Like you said, if you want to ride in the country, go down the driveway and turn…
    I’ll die here, or at least, close by.

  13. Austin Says:

    @Shovelhead; My people are on the West Coast from Seattle to Palm Springs, no one closer than 3 hours to where I work. I don’t really live here – when the job is done, I’ll be moving on. I love Cali – but $$$$. I have a couple different friends who have moved to Montana, Arizona, Idaho, Oregon, South Dakota- which are all good – but the place I like best is…Iowa. I’ve been a few times now and am seriously considering making the move. I’m not sure I want to stay all winter – but people are nice, friendly, live co-operatively, and are not consumed by superficial crap. either DC or Hollywood. I spend time in <2000 pop. towns, mostly with Mennonite, or Amish community nearby. My friends are wild pagans like me, playing music and drinking beer late into the night, but everyone shares there garden produce, helps each other with projects, and watches over their neighbor's home as if it were their own. There are more bugs that I am used to – ticks etc., but that comes with the green grass and *rain*. Coming from Dust Central – it is Heavenly.

  14. Old & Jaded Says:

    @Adios – Three acres? I gripe about one. My hat’s off to you. That’s an awesome machine you’ve got. It’s well made and I like the larger fuel tank. I’ve run out of gas using mine and it’s annoying.

    @Aanon – I live in the PNW, so whatever I get has to be able to handle damp grass. I try not to mow if it’s rained but in the Fall that can get dicey and change in a minute. Nice to also read of a reasonable cost – amazing how much some of these go for…

    Thanks to both of you.

    Old & Jaded

  15. Aanon Says:

    I’ve been running a 48″ husky from lowes the last 5 years. Very nice mower. Very cheap as well build wise. About 3gs. My dad has one of the lower priced Toro mowers as mentioned, picks up damp grass with the bagger attachment. The husky will pick up wetter, larger capacity but not in thousands $ worth. Although it was the fastest in its class,you can only mow a turf lawn so fast. 300 hour on it now.

  16. Phuquehed Says:

    @Shovelhead – You want ‘back in time’? West TN. There’s still plenty of people around here who believe old wives tales from back in the 1700’s.

    Only ‘cons’ about it (I don’t consider them so, but just putting shit out there) – unless you live *in* a town/city, you’re kinda far from anything – stores, etc.

    Things here close at 9PM, some earlier, some later, but *most* everything is locked up at 9PM. Finding anything ’24 hour’ here is like finding a virgin whore.

    If you have a good memory, this is the place to be for riding backroads. If you’re like me and were picking your road name in a club, mine would be ‘two turns’, because that’s all it takes for me to get lost. That’s how many backroads there are.

    Many of the back roads are decent, but most times when a whole road is ‘repaired’, they use that loose gravel on tar shit…not good for bikes, especially if the road crews are manned with idiots who can’t think their way out of a wet, single-ply piece of toilet paper and put this shit on a short steep grade coming to a stop sign.

    The heat and humidity here are a BITCH! Lots of bugs, lots of snakes (neither of which I mind, personally), lots of critters. Unfortunately those fucking ‘possums-on-the-half-shell have inundated this half of the state the past couple of years.

    Good things:

    Neat thing here, most of that bullshit about bikers and bike clubs being ‘bad people’ never really made it here. Most people are friendly as hell to those of us on bikes, even the little old ladies will smile and wave at you.

    It’s quiet! *Maybe* once every two or three weeks a military helicopter will fly over or nearby, other than that, we *never* hear jets or anything else. In the real early morning, once in a while I can hear the train horn 6 miles away, just barely.

    *LOTS* of green – grass, woods, etc.

    Prices of most anything is cheap compared to what I here friends tell me about where they live in other states.

    The niggers away from the ‘big’ cities, don’t pull that BLM shit or any of that other shit. Hell, I wear a confederate patch on my vest and never hear anyone whine or bitch about it. Yes, they’re still stupid and loud and useless as fuck, for the most part, but at least they don’t pull any of that other stupid shit like BLM does, etc.

    Out here in the small towns and such, the pigs don’t usually bother anyone. Here in this county they actually seemed to adopt a ‘leave bikers alone’ thing since the new sheriff got elected several years ago. Even in Paris (big, compared to where I live), the pigs rarely bother bikers.

    Lots of hunting. Get a freezer, learn to butcher your own meat and fill it each season with what you hunt. The turkeys here are thick like ticks on a dog lost in the woods for two weeks.

    Raise a few chickens for the eggs and meat. Lots of bugs to supplement their bag feed so that you don’t need to buy as often.

    Lots of rain. Keeps things nice and green all the time. You *will* need to mow at *least* once a week though.

    Lots of lazy fucks to laugh your ass off at. For example, riding along one day and I see some woman on a *big* riding mower and then I see how much yard she has to mow…*maybe* a quarter of an acre! I thought I was gonna wreck the bike I was laughing so fucking hard.

  17. Adios Says: Mine has over 2900 hours and ten years old with nothing but routine maintenance. I mow 3 acres of grass 2 to 3 times a week. Flat but plenty of trees. 54″

  18. Johnny Rotten Says:


    Its the plug in on the rear bottom
    Ill send ya a pic.
    Jus dont run over ed…
    Well maybe….


  19. Old & Jaded Says:

    @Lady – Many thanks for the info. My old Craftsman has really been a workhorse and is still running but it’s older than dirt so I know that I won’t have it too much longer, so I’m looking around a bit.

    I have a friend that moved from Washington to Florida a year ago – she’s learning what Florida heat’s like..LOL Congrats on your move to South Carolina.

    Old & Jaded

  20. Muck 1%er Says:

    I wonder how the whacko DA in Wacko is planning on returning bikes that have been repo’s by the stealerships or lenders, that have been repossessed for missed payments while the kidnapping victims were being held for $1,000,000 ransom. Si the DA planning on cleaning up the ruind credit ratings of those who will not be charged with a crime?
    Just wondering. Seems the victims should have due process to have everything reinstated at the countys expense.

  21. Lady Says:

    Old & Jaded,

    I have the same mower that Johnny Rotten has and it does do a good job. The only complaint I have is that I have not figured out how to disconnect the over-ride that kills it when you want to mow going in reverse My old Craftsman would mow either way with no problem, and actually took turns better. Well crap, ok guess I just put a good word in for the Craftsman…LOL.

    Hope everyone is doing great! Finally out of the Great State of FL where it was 105 degrees in the flippin shade! South Carolina is now home, so if your ever through here, give me a shout.

    Much love and tons of Respect to those that have earned and deserve it,

  22. Old & Jaded Says:

    @Johnny Rotten – Six years with no problems is nice to read…Will go check them out. Thank you.

    Old & Jaded

  23. FUGS MUNDANE Says:


    Lancaster PA area is gorgeous. Take a ride out on 78 to 222 catch 176 south to RT 10 and get lost on local roads but work your way to RT 30 west, it’s paradise if you ask me

  24. Johnny Rotten Says:


    Troybuilt pony
    17.5 hp
    Cuts my large yard with ease
    Had it for goin on 6 years without a hitch
    Right around a grand new

    Respects Johnny

  25. Old & Jaded Says:

    @The Kraut – I just took a look at that mower – it is pricey but it’s sure solidly built. I like the heavy frame, wide tires and deck washing ease. With that HP, you are probably done in about an hour and I’ll bet the lawn looks great. Will keep it in mind.

    Thank you for the info.

    Old & Jaded

  26. The Kraut Says:

    @ Old&Jaded; I told my implement dealer 4 years ago to set me up with a zero-turn for a 1 acre lawn. I have a Toro MX series 5400.

    Only needed to replace the mower deck belt last year.

    Pricey fucker but it works well and I dont need to work on it.

    Hope this helps.

    Respects, Kraut

  27. Old & Jaded Says:

    @Paladin – Many thanks. That’s some handy information. I knew Sears had ’em made but no idea so many different companies have been involved, including Husqvarna.
    Thank you much.

  28. Paladin Says:

    @ old & Jaded;

    The attached link may be of help.

    Long May You Ride,


  29. Old & Jaded Says:

    Looks like my lawn tractor that’s many years old is about to bite the bullet. It’s a Craftsman. Not opposed to buying another one but not sure at the rate they are going, how long Sears will be around.

    Anyone have any replacement suggestions? I’m only mowing just over an acre; fairly level save for some mole damage. Hate those damn things but that’s another subject.

  30. Shovelhead Says:

    Yeah, and we didn’t have the internet to find parts. Or find a Harley for that matter. You had to actually go outside and look for one. Word of mouth, swap meets, bike shops. No one rode a new dressed Harley, everyone personalized their ride. When I pulled up to the local Saloon, before even going inside, I knew who was there by the Bikes parked outside.
    Now all I see is Street Glides with apes.
    The Internet and Credit have made everything too expensive. Back when it was a Cash world, I could buy a Knuckle in the 70’s for $1000. Now they’re going for 50k and more on ebay. Crazy man!
    Soon I’m going to retire and move away from New England to a quieter, more Americana way of living, not sure where that is yet, but I’m looking.
    If anyone out there knows where I can go back in time, let me know!!

  31. Aanon Says:

    After deciding i needed more room, I bought a road king. Same bars, grips, cables that were on the evo softy. Well new. But this fi 103 doesn’t have the soul like that bitch did. But cruise control is a trade off right…….. laid out the lines to cut the windshield in and that’s it. Fuck I need a shield for.

  32. MtPockets Says:

    I remember when some friends rode to Harleys big 100th party in Milwaukee- they billed it as “The Party of the Century”.
    When they left to ride down there, the headliner for Saturday night hadnt been announced so of course there were all sorts of rumors as to who it might be- Aerosmith, ZZ Topp, I dont remember who all was floated.
    When they got back and said it was Elton Fucking John I asked them if there was a riot. They said no, but a lot of people left.
    To me, that showed two things- how fucking out of touch Harley brass is with who they were selling bikes to and how far those buying those bikes had strayed from who had been buying them just a few years earlier.
    Either way, I agree that those 900 pound couches are kind of the antithesis of what I like. I had a windshield on my first bike right out of high school, havent had one since.
    How can those guys claim “knees in the breeze”? With all that bodywork in front of them, they probably dont even mess up their hair!

  33. Paladin Says:

    When I was growing up, no one would have been caught dead riding one of these two wheeled cars. Today; it’s about all you ever see. To this day I still subscribe to the old axiom: “Ride choppers or fuck off”.


  34. Sieg Says:

    So I’ve been reading the posts about HD, and how expensive they are, and the financing, yadda yadda yadda. My absolute favorite of all time, anywhere, was in one of the HD groups on farcebook. Guy complained that “HD has abandoned it’s core-base of customers, and won’t even answer any complaints from them. I bought my new 2018 UltraHighZootGlide (whatever-I don’t know the new models) and it came with an MP3 player. Couldn’t get it with a CD, which is what I’m comfortable with. What kind of service is that?”

    Whoa. HD sucks because they didn’t sell the sled with his kinda tune-player.

    Now that made me realize what the REAL difference is betwixt guys in/getting in to riding today: When I, and most of the older riders, was getting into big-boy motorsickles, I BUILT my bike. I didn’t know anyone, literally, who bought a new bike. Well, there was my Brother Catfish, but he knew he was never gonna make a payment on the StupidGlide, and it got stripped the same day. Point is, no one could afford a new bike, and no one wanted one that looked like it came from the factory.

    Yup. Different times.


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