Mongols Case Forever And Ever

June 1, 2017

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Mongols Case Forever And Ever

The ironic war the United States of America has waged against the Mongols Motorcycle Club is now in its 20th year. It began as an offshoot of investigations in Los Angeles by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives into the Vagos, Sundowners and Hells Angels Motorcycle Clubs.

Like the Hundred Years War in the 14th Century, the Mongols War can be divided into distinct phases.

In the beginning, in about 1998 when the Mongols were comparatively short handed, the ATF managed to infiltrate an undercover agent named William Queen – his name in the club was Billy “Slow Brain” St. John – into a Mongols chapter in the San Fernando Valley. The experience had a more profound effect on Queen than the Mongols. He got a big book deal out of it. The esteemed Joseph Wambaugh called Queen’s memoir “the fascinating true story of an undercover ATF agent and the psychological price he was made to pay for his courageous work.”

The “price” Queen had to pay was his own disillusionment. Queen began his undercover assignment with a judgmental, disdainful and cynical view of the men he would eventually call “brother.” And then they loved him. And then he loved them back.

Mel Gibson bought the film rights to Queen’s tale but the movie was never made and other than one notable murder prosecution the investigation was mostly fruitless.

Phase Two

The year Queen’s book was published, the same ATF agents, with the exception of Queen, orchestrated what was probably the largest criminal investigation in American History. That investigation, which would eventually be called Operation Black Rain, began “in or about June, 2005” when a member of the Mongols Camarillo, California chapter named T.J. Stansbury was caught selling anabolic steroids through the mail and agreed to introduce multiple undercover agents into the Mongols.

The idea of that case was to destroy not just the Mongols but to create legal precedents that could be used to destroy all motorcycle clubs. The massive investigation and the prosecution that followed probably cost $150 million. Two years ago, speaking to group of aspiring bike club investigators, ATF analyst Jeremy Sheetz admitted there could never be another Black Rain because it had cost so much and yielded so little.

Nevertheless, 80 members and associates of the club were indicted and civil forfeiture proceedings were initiated against an equal number of unindicted co-conspirators. The government set out to steal everything it could as a punishment for the non-crime of belonging to a motorcycle club. It also intended to steal the Mongols identity. A press release dated October 21, 2008 bragged:

“‘In addition to pursuing the criminal charges set forth in the indictment, for the first time ever, we are seeking to forfeit the intellectual property of a gang,’ said United States Attorney Thomas P. O’Brien. ‘The name “Mongols,” which is part of the gang’s “patch” that members wear on their motorcycle jackets, was trademarked by the gang. The indictment alleges that this trademark is subject to forfeiture. We have filed papers seeking a court order that will prevent gang members from using or displaying the name “Mongols.” If the court grants our request for this order, then if any law enforcement officer sees a Mongol wearing his patch, he will be authorized to stop that gang member and literally take the jacket right off his back.’”

Forbidden Symbols

For the next seven months local, state and federal police went around stealing anything they could find that mentioned the motorcycle club including shirts, calendars, patches and stickers that contained the prohibited acronym “MFFM.” A couple of court cases later the actual seizure of items that demonstrated prohibited speech stopped. But not the idea that motorcycle clubs might be destroyed by making it illegal for them to identify themselves. The ATF exported to idea to Australia and several European countries that were not hogtied by the United States annoying Bill of Rights.

The government’s war against the Mongols entered a third phase in 2013 when a prosecutor-friendly federal judge named Otis D. Wright II suggested to prosecutors that they might be able to confiscate the Mongols insignia by convicting the club as a whole of being a racketeering enterprise. Wright is a stupid bully. What he was blatantly trying to do was help government lawyers put the motorcycle club out of business. What the case boiled down to was the idea that because some Mongols might commit crimes membership in the club should be criminal. Wright is also a coward. He knew he was making a fool of himself, that his numerous bench rulings would eventually come back to haunt him and he quit the case on the eve of trial.

The point of United States of America versus Mongols Nation An Unincorporated Association was always to simply use the power of prosecution as a bludgeon. Sooner or later, that theory went and still goes, the Mongols will run out of money to defend themselves.

Appeal

After much legal drama, a judge named David O. Carter dismissed the government’s case in 2015. And since the government has all the money in the world – they print it – and the Mongols do not, the government appealed that dismissal in July 2016.

Next Tuesday, June 6 at 9 a.m. a three judge panel will hear oral arguments on that appeal in room three of the Richard H. Chambers Courthouse in Pasadena, California. The three judges who will decide if the government’s appeal of the dismissal has merit are Robert D. Sack, Susan P. Graber and Mary H. Murguia. All are Democratic appointees and they seem unlikely to side with prosecutors.

But then one never knows.

It should be an interesting hearing.

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21 Responses to “Mongols Case Forever And Ever”

  1. Stevo Says:

    Ron,

    You’re a punk.

    Stevo

  2. Is it just me Says:

    Ron
    People make fun of Mike Tyson’s voice. He’s not gay nor do people say it to his face.

    I was going to bite my tongue, but the things that piss me off about the video are numerous.
    1. The Mongols have been soliciting funds for THEIR defense of THEIR patch yet they’ve been spending thousand of dollars on party’s that they’ve been throwing.
    2. Something like 80 of them took a deal in the criminal conspiracy that the government alleged. Did they kick all who pled out? Or is the money that the COCs spent going towards these members as well?
    3. Money has been put forth for the defense of THEIR patch, yet they not only rent a topless bar for a Party but they’re to dumb to edit out an idiot wearing an ADIOS shirt in the video that they actually put production credits on and posted on YouTubel, with a 2016 date. I’m sure lil Dave will have fun talking about that in the next Miongol RICO case.

  3. Rebel Says:

    Dear Ron,

    I think it is the sound, not the dude. I have said hello to the dude. I would not describe him as a fag.

    Rebel

  4. Ron Says:

    Dude in the bottom video sounds like a total fag. Things are definitely different out on the west coast!! Wow

  5. Robert Says:

    Very well said Mr Woodcock. All the pretenders are mum.

  6. steve Says:

    They win the case and take the Mongols patch all the other clubs will be next for the sake of all clubs prey the Mongols win.

  7. MR WOODCOCK Says:

    I BELONG TO A CREW OF A WELL RESPECTED CLUB IN MICHIGAN WHOSE NAME I WILL LEAVE BLANK BECAUSE I HAVE NOT ASKED PERMISSION TO USE IT IN A PUBLIC FORUM,I F FEEL WHAT HAS BEEN SAID STILL MISSES THE MARK,M/C’S DONT GENERALLY DEAL ANYTHING AT THE STREET LEVEL LIKE THE NIGERS DO IN THEIR GANGS,M/C’S DONT FUCK WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC LIKE THE NIGGER GANGS,IF YOU HAPPEN TO GET UR ASS WHIPPED BY A MEMBER OF AN M/C,GENERALLY YOU ARE IN THE GAME SOMEHOW,WE DONT GO LOOKING FOR MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND WHOOP HIS ASS.M/C’S DONT MAKE UP A LARGE NUMBER OF CRIME IN CITIES OR STATES,DO NOT MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES UNSAFE FOR OUR CHILDREN TO PLAY IN,WE MAKE UP NO STATS FOR ARMED ROBBERIES,MURDERS,HOME INVASIONS ECT ECT,LIKE I ALREADY SAID YOU ARE IN THE GAME IF YOU HAVE A DEALING WITH A MEMBER OF AN M/C,THEN FEDTARDS SPEND ALL THIS TIME AND ALL THESE RESOURCES BRINGING 50 COUNT INDICTMENTS AGAINST 20 MEMBERS OF AN M/C,ALOT OF 10,15,30 AND LIFE SENTENCES THEY BOAST IN THEIR PRESS RELEASES,AND EVERY PEADS OUT TO 12-24 MONTHS IN JAIL/PRISON,ITS A FARCE…ITS STEALING MONEY FROM TAXPAYERS LEFT AND RIGHT…..AND THEM GUYS MAKE A FORTUNE,EACH FEDERAL AGENT HAS TO MAKE AT LEAST 60K ON UP TO HOWEVER MUCH,IT TAES 10 FEDS TO MAKE A SIMPLE CASE MOST ALL THE TIME…TO BOAST A 90 % CONVICTION RATE IS COOL,BUT PROLLY MORE LIKE A 20 % CONVICTION RATE TO 1 -2 YEAR PLEA DEALS…DUDES UR NEER GONA STOP DRUGS,BUT MOST OF THE M//C’S DONT SMUGGLE THEM INTO THE US,THE MEXICANS DO,THE COLUBBIANS DO,OF ALL CLUBS AND MEMBERS NOT EVERY MEMBER SEELS DOPE,NIP IT AT THE BUD AND STAY INVESTIGATING WHERE THE DOE COMES FROM AND WITH THAT YOU WILL FIND ALOT MORE CRIME AND RICO PREDICATES TO KEEP YOU BUSY AND EARN YOUR PRESS RELEASE AIR TIME

  8. RIDER 1 Says:

    I hope this appeal fails because a win would affect every major MC. The FEDS are wasting our tax dollars trying to run clubs out of money and existence. These resources would be better used to bolster DHS and the fight to rid the country of Islamic fundamentalist before we become like the UK.

    RIDER 1

  9. Curbside Says:

    Paladin, you make an extremely valid point…one that will certainly carry over to the people of Mclennan County, no doubt, when the Waco fallout is finally settled.

    That said, in the case of the federal persecution of the Mongols MC, that’s a federal case and thankfully the costs of it (including, hopefully, that club’s legal costs) are spread among the millions of us taxpaying Americans. Even if Uncle Sam has to pick up the check on this bullshit, I can honestly say that as a taxpayer I’d rather it be spread among taxpayers throughout the country than falling on a club being maliciously prosecuted.

  10. Paladin Says:

    @ Curbside,

    Unfortunately, the taxpayers pick up the tab on these wasteful prosecutions.

    Long May You Ride.

    Paladin

  11. Curbside Says:

    IIRC, the .gov has already had to pay legal bills for the Mongols MC in the past due to presentation of bullshit prosecution. Hopefully, they’ll get stuck picking up the tab on this one, as well.

  12. david Says:

    Sorry Rebel, did not know of the special type of trade mark as “collective membership marks”. Apologies. david

  13. Rebel Says:

    Dear David,

    All due respect. You are wrong. The marks of motorcycle clubs are a special kind of trademark called “collective membership marks.” The smart move is to not make the mark property of a corporation. I am aware the Bandidos recently became a corporation. All due respect to the Bandits. I am certain they know what they are doing. The Hells Angels, had to work things out for themselves and so the relationship of their charters to one another is a little different than that of other clubs. They have charters and the charters are a kind of firewall that protects the whole club from the misdeeds of one charter.

    The reason why this case is US v. “an unincorporated association” is because the club unincorporated after the first government attempt to steal their insignia. Then the government had to figure out how to proceed. Judge Wright told the prosecutors to try to convict the whole collective membership. Wright is a boob.

    The last proceedings in this case featured Venn diagrams trying to illustrate what portion of the club was criminal and what part was entirely legal. It did not work. This appeal is probably doomed. The whole case is about trying to punish the Mongols by forcing that club to defend itself against spurious prosecution.

    Thanks for commenting,

    Rebel

  14. david Says:

    The legal solution to name,logo and symbol theft by gov. is an incorporation of the MC. The lawsuit is entitled, U.S. v Mongols Nation An Un-incorporated Association.

    In law, legal status is everything. Conversely, HAMC is incorporated as the Hells Angels Motorcycle Corporation.

  15. TX_Biker Says:

    @Dutchboy EXACTLY!

  16. rocco151 Says:

    @Dutchboy

    Perfectly stated !

  17. Trebor Says:

    Remember the campfire scene in Easyriders?Everybody Google Easy riders-Freedom.They ain’t scared of you.They’re scared of what you represent.Freedom

  18. Dutchboy Says:

    Once you get past the spin, hype, and biker exploitation BS and look at the facts of most of the Fed VS MC cases two things become apparent; 1. The return on investment (prosecutions per dollar) is extremely low and the few Fed “wins” are often based on very shaky evidence subject of appeal and being overturned. That is why they LOVE for MC members to plead. 2. It isn’t about “stopping crime” or “cleaning up the streets”, it’s about destroying the MCs by any means necessary. That begs the question “why?”. Why spend so much for so little to destroy a group that mostly just wants to be left alone? The answer is that outlaw MCs (not the AOA in particular but all the 1% and other outlaw clubs) understand that they are outside the protections of society, IE Outlaws. No MC would ever claim the laws do not apply to them. We know if we break the law and are caught we will be punished. We also know the police will normally not protect us. As free people we like it that way. TCB is the biker way, not CAC (call a cop). THAT is why they have a hard on for Bikers in general and the MCs in particular. We are not sheep so no sheepdogs are needed, nor are Sheep herders. No, bikers are more like wolves. Taking care of thier own and their own problems. Of course sheep dogs kill wolves when they can and sheep herders can’t shear a wolf, or slaughter one with impunity. Many sheepdogs dream of being wolves (Urine Odor Et Al) but there is nothing a bully hates more than a man who will not be bullied, nothing a tyrant fears more than a man who will not kneel.

  19. Paladin Says:

    The ongoing Mongols case begs the following question: Why haven’t other clubs had their intellectual property targeted as the Mongols have? There are other clubs that are as allegedly as notorious as the Mongols. Yet, to the best of my knowledge the Feds. (for whatever reason) have not gone after the intellectual property of other clubs. It may or may not have something to do with the way other clubs and their charters are structured. If so, it might be a play worth investigating.

    Paladin

  20. IronRider Says:

    This is one of the cases that just goes to prove what a waste of taxpayer dollars going after MC’s are. Sure the Feds love the big scary biker story because they can show an image of a patch set and people on motorcycles wearing them and then can use that narrative to claim how bikers are doing all of this and that and are responsible for everything to do with crime in this city or that state and play that up to the media who will shite it out to the public.

    That very narrative that the government put forward about MC’s is so far from the truth they wouldn’t even run that on an episode of Fantasy Island for christ sakes. Do some MC members get caught dealing drugs sure but that isn’t indicative of every person who belongs or prospects or is a hangaround but of course that doesn’t fit in with the narrative the government’s wants to project ion to a MC and about the members of an MC.

    To spend 150 million dollars to infiltrate a MC and then come up with indictments on 80+ people and to be no further ahead a decade later just shows what a crock of shit these cases are and what a colossal waste of taxpayer money this was.

    Now years later the government is all in and they are no further ahead than when they first had the wet dream to conjure up the idea to try and make a case against the Mongols MC and even with going after Mongol members assets the Feds will be lucky if they walk away with a million bucks out of all the guys assets.

    It amazes me more and more that the government will waste money to go after a class of society that is easily identifiable and put resources to obliterate them rather than go after those who are doing a hell of a lot more damage to communities and cities and states in the land, but of course we dont want to go after the street bangers who are dealing drugs in neighbourhoods, pimping teen girls out, dealing drugs to anyone of any age in the neighbourhood and shooting a killing one another because this person sold crack on that corner or something shit, but those little gangbangers just dont look as scary on the 6 o’clock news as someone who is from an MC and has that patch on their back.

    Look at the murder rate in chicago and other cities that have street gang problems and look at the rates of ages of those shot or murdered in shootings and the number of murders right now? Then go and see if you can find the murder rate of people who belong to an MC and the amount of those who were shot and injured or killed that belonged to an MC and tell me where the real problem lies and what a waste of resources and taxpayer dollars it is to go after those who belong to an MC and look and see where the real problems are.

    This is all about Law Enforcement being plain outfucking lazy an using the MC’s as a scapegoat to use so they have some kind of a win they can trumpet to the media and the public about how the streets will be safer and crime will go down in this city or state where this MC is meanwhile the real problem of the little gangbangers wrecking communities is free to reign and wreak havoc because they know that the Law Enforcement has their resources directed elsewhere, because Law Enforcement cannot eradicate the problem created by them or stop flow of drugs, money and shootings and murders that go along with them.

    So tell me again who the real problem is , because it sure as fuck isnt with MC’s

  21. Sieg Says:

    Disgusting.

    A 90%+ conviction rate in the FedCoat star-chambers isn’t enough for the FedBeast, it has to destroy any and all who oppose it.

    Watch and learn, your time will come.

    FTF/FTP
    TOSIAR

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