Informant Privilege

April 6, 2017

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Informant Privilege

A California blogger named Gary Hunt who defied a federal judicial order to remove the names of eight confidential informants from his website was arrested by the FBI March 30. He is charged with contempt for disobeying Federal District Judge Anna J. Brown.  He is currently incarcerated in Sacramento.

Hunt was not merely a writer but also a supporter of the 2016 occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. The leader of that occupation was a man named Ammon Bundy, and he in turn was the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who had his own standoff with federal officials in 2014. The elder Bundy had refused to pay Bureau of Land Management grazing fees for two decades. The BLM sought to recover the unpaid grazing fees by seizing Cliven Bundy’s cattle. During the so-called “Bundy standoff” that followed the Bundys became heroes to some conservatives.

The Bundys and their various followers thought they had discovered a constitutional right. They subscribed to an ideology called the sovereign citizen movement – which believes free men can ignore the laws they don’t like – and they fervently believed that the BLM and the Forest Service had a duty to turn over the land they controlled to the states. The FBI calls sovereign citizen believers “extremists” and, not surprisingly, there were nine FBI informants among the Malheur occupiers.

The Names

The occupation ended after a man named LaVoy Finicum was shot and killed by state police. Ammon Bundy, his brother Ryan and three other occupiers were arrested and charged with “conspiracy to impede federal officers from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats.”

Some defendants, including Ammon Bundy were acquitted, some took plea deals and some were found guilty. The result of all this has been a complicated legal mess in which Gary Hunt finds himself charged with trying to report the truth.

For the record, the informants Hunt dared to name were Terri “Mama Bear” Linnell; Allen “Wolf” Varner; Dennis Dickenson aka Dennis Jones; Fabio Minoggio aka John Killman; Mark McConnell; Robert “Rob” Seever aka R.W. Seaver; and Thomas S. Dyman.

There. Can you feel the foundations of the Republic shuddering yet? No? That’s okay. No one else can either except the FBI and a judge named Anna Brown.

Informant’s Privilege

The Hunt case is being reported here for two reasons. First, nobody except Maxine Bernstein at the Portland Oregonian has bothered to report Hunt’s arrest – not the New York Times, CBS, Fox News or Entertainment Tonight. And second, Hunt’s case may repercuss into the sorts of stories this page covers, particularly concerning the highly secret shenanigans that surround the Waco Twin Peaks case.

This page has sought, obtained and reported the identities of informants as varied as Steve Veltus, Dan Horrigan and Ashley Charles Wyatt because informers are integral to making federal cases, they are often very immoral people and an informed citizenry has a right to know who they are, what they do and how much they get paid.

The issue is over a slight point of law called “informant’s privilege” that arises out of a 1957 decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in a case titled Roviaro v. United States. Roviaro overturned three previous appeals courts cases that had all ruled that “the Government’s right to withhold the identity of an informer who helped to set up the commission of the crime and who was present at its occurrence… must be disclosed whenever the informer’s testimony may be relevant and helpful to the accused’s defense.”

What the Seventh Circuit actually ruled was “no fixed rule with respect to disclosure is justifiable.” It never forbid that disclosure in the press or, for that matter, in a conversation in a bar.

It is unprecedented for a federal judge to order a blogger to censor what he has published after the fact. The truth always matters in a free country. Louis D. Brandeis, the often quoted Supreme Court Justice  who died a mere lifetime, 76 years, ago argued “Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman.”

Judge Brown should re-read both Roviaro and Brandeis. American journalism should rise to Gary Hunt’s defense. If the government can censor him it can censor anybody.

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17 Responses to “Informant Privilege”

  1. Sharon Cox Says:

    Snitches get stitches….people need to learn to STFU and not get involved with shit that doesn’t concern them….

    LL&R

  2. Philo Bedo Says:

    We are coming off of eight years of abject lawlessness at the hands of King hussein obama’s .gov minions. It will take a long time to exercise that poison from the system, if it can be done at all. I had hoped potus Trump would possibly help facilitate this, (or at least burn it to the ground) but he appears to have been sugjigated by the usual suspects. Truly, there is no hope for the common man.

    Tuebor,
    ~Philo

  3. VegasMadam Says:

    Fed’s Killing Cops or Just Collateral Damage? Again!

    Bundy Ranch, 2 Vegas cops killed

    I wonder if the loud radical instigating FBI informants, Greg Burleson an Agent Provocateur, may have radicalized the young couple, Jerad and Amanda Miller, who went on to murder the 2 Vegas police while eating pizza shortly after attending the Bundy standoff. I wonder if there’s any video of the 3 of them together at Bundy’s ranch. Where was Burleson on the day of the cops murder? Where was the Millers vehicle? (wiki: On June 8, 2014, the Millers first went to a CiCi’s Pizza restaurant on foot…).

    “Accessory Before The Fact” definition: A person who aids, abets, or encourages another to commit a crime but who is not present at the scene. An accessory before the fact, like an accomplice, may be held criminally liable to the same extent as the principal. Many jurisdictions refer to an accessory before the fact as an accomplice.

    On 60 Minutes the FBI is in the car behind the radicalized shooters in Dallas, FBI takes a photo one second before they shoot 2 cops then FBI tries to flee but gets caught, handcuffed on video below. (As in Burleson this is also the FBI Phoenix office traveling).

    3 min vid start at 9:20: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/terrorism-in-garland-texas-what-the-fbi-knew-before-the-2015-attack/

    BTW: ( Wiki: ‘Fast-n-Furious’ and “Gunwalking”, was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office ATF, which ran a series of sting operations in the Tucson and Phoenix area where the ATF purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers… There have been allegations of “gunwalking” in at least 10 cities in five states. U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed at the border and the rifles used to kill him were from a Phoenix store. The ATF began targeting whistleblowers).

    Bundy supporter says he wanted to kill federal agents in fake documentary
    http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/bundy-supporter-says-he-wanted-to-kill-federal-agents-in-fake-documentary/679406670

    https://sites.google.com/site/CIAPimps/Bundy-case

  4. Filburt Says:

    Tea party time!

  5. Floyd Says:

    Having been arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison 42 years ago on the testimony of a “confidential” informant, I am less than sympathetic to the complaints and protestations of these mutts and their gummint masters. A rat is a rat is a rat; nothing could be simpler than that. My “rat” flipped in order to save his own sorry ass from charges much more serious than the one hung around my neck. And he did this more than once. It is a pattern he repeated several times after the case I was involved with. The only satisfaction I got out of this ordeal was the judge making this coward deliver his testimony in person in open court, for all the world to see. It was satisfying watching that rat bastard shaking like a dog shitting peach pits when he had to take the stand. I took my medicine like a man, and I have always been grateful that I never had to resort to something as despicable as turning on another person to save my own hide. I would rather be an ex-con any day than be a rat. I sleep well at night and I’ll bet that informant hasn’t had a good night’s sleep for 42 years.

    As for the Bundys and LaVoy Finnicum: they are patriots who have stood up to an increasingly oppressive federal gummint. LaVoy Finnicum was summarily executed by federal agents for having the balls to resist federal gummint oppression. He died a true American for what he believed in and represented. The story about him going for a gun is bullshit fabricated by his murderers to justify killing him in cold blood so they could save their own worthless skins.

  6. Melissa Carroll Says:

    Is not LAND Control the right of a private individual on his owned, taxed, mortgaged, etc. private property? when the government uses an individuals rights to infringe the rights of others or as a tactical policing action. then what good is a government who has lost so much control that my rights as an american are used to infringe my rights as an american.

    Snitches belong in ditches. no federal policing agency should use ordinary people to prosecute anybody. what are they fbi, cia, atf, dea, nsa, etc etc for? if ordinary criminals have to be used to criminalize someone the fbi feels is a criminal with no evidence. then innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is lost on opinion of a federal agent. people would stop dying by law enforcement if the cowards had proper training into the rights of americans to bear arms ours is a right theirs is for safety. safety vs right every gun owner shouldn’t be perceived as a criminal but our rights should be upheld absolute not limited because of personal issues, violations, history, opinion, freedom is freedom there is no such thing as limited freedom except for maybe a hostage

  7. Melissa Carroll Says:

    Public land isn’t for public’s use when there are limitations placed on land we taxpayers own. I’m tired of paying the salaries of these communist environmentalists that euthanize an endangered turtle while fencing off all the public lands in CA desert to conserve the endangered turtles habitat. and turn our public lands into 2.000 acres of solar panels for millions of dollars. and charge ranchers millions in grazing fees. and charge a yearly green sticker fee on all ohv riders on public lands like the dmv. They are making millions of dollars off these few blm money scheme. This money should go back to the owners of “public Lands” us taxpayers not to put up more fences and buy more keep out signs. or to pay to euthanize an endangered species that thousands of acres of desert is closed off for unless you buy a green sticker then you can dune buggy on roads in the turtle habitats. on roads they don’t even maintain until they are so bad ohv riding is no fun anymore until a taxpayer ohv’r comes along and fixes the terrible riding roads until blm tells him enough or face arrest for vandalism.

    BLM in Calif and Nev. is psycho communist they need to be shipped to russia to protect Putin’s homeland like the communist they are

  8. Dutchboy Says:

    A list of eight CIs, or as many call them, snitches. Coming to an MC near you!

  9. Clay of the North Says:

    Ass clowns,
    Hmm.
    The bundys and finnicum had nothing to do with the militia nor sovereign citizen movement nor were they members of either
    They are Patriots in the truest sense of the term

  10. SSJ Says:

    Good reporting and excellent comments

  11. panamaa Says:

    Paladin Says:
    “I’ve spent too much time in the woods to be involved with these ass clowns.”

    Lol, that’s great…

    You’re right Rebel, the news agencies and press should be screaming their fucking heads off because in today’s climate they WILL be next.. Best of luck to Gary Hunt. An attorney with a good working knowledge in regards to a free press should be able to handle this….

  12. Gandalf Says:

    LOL. Give them Hell my Friend. ROTFLMAO Respects 2 U.

  13. Cookie Says:

    Back in the 90’s I hung out with some “Militia” guys in Indiana. These were more the type guys that just wanted to hang out in the woods, drink beer and shoot guns. More than once some new guy would show up ask about buying a gun or talk about how he could get “better” guns. When nobody would take the bait they would quit coming around. Hell they just wanted people to leave them alone. We were broke ass rednecks just having a good time.

  14. david Says:

    Anna’s protective “order” ain’t LAW , so the arrest warrant she issued ain’t lawful either.

    The inalienable RIGHT of the people to a free press STILL EXISTS “whether Anna recognizes the Right or not”, whether Anna tramples the same constitution which created her judicial office,or not, and whether the money-whore is thrown out of office by the people, or not.

  15. Paladin Says:

    I believe the Oregon protest was doomed from the start, for the following reasons:

    1) Unlike the standoff at the Bundy ranch, this protest wasn’t about the government attempting to take the property belonging to an individual or family. As such, the protesters didn’t have the backing of the community. Because the community wasn’t behind the protest and voiced their collective displeasure at the protesters, there was no way that the local or State government was going to get involved, as they did in the Bundy ranch standoff.

    2) Right or wrong, the re-incarceration of the Hammond’s was due to an error in sentencing in the Hammond’s original trial, which came about due to the Hammond’s setting back fires in order to protect their property from a government set, brush control burn. The protesters were protesting the federal government’s (BLM) occupation and control of what the protesters considered to be State owned land. The protesters put forth a thinly veiled attempt to link the plight of the Hammonds to their own cause, which was seen as disingenuous and denounced by the Hammond’s.

    3) The individuals involved in the protest disrupted a community that didn’t want them there. Individuals within the protest were heard to make statements such as: “I’m not afraid to die”, “I won’t go to jail”, etc. further raising the apprehension of the community at large. The foregoing statements play into the hands of law enforcement and when made by armed individuals, give law enforcement a green light to take action they deem necessary in order to safeguard the community.

    4) If you win their hearts, their minded will follow. A protest is only as good as those that support it. Occupying a town and a surrounding community that doesn’t want you there is never a good idea, but when protesters record themselves purposely damaging the property of another, they erase any amount of credibility they may have had and are seen as nothing more than armed thugs and vandals.

    5) If you’re going to add weapons to the mix, stirring in a heaping amount of tactics is in order. Occupying a building, out in the middle of nowhere, attempting a reenactment of the siege at the Alamo is really stupid. Traveling a snow covered, lightly trafficked road, to a publicized location, thinking one’s notoriety is somehow going to shield one from an ambush is the epitome of stupidity. If one acts like food, one will be eaten.

    6) If the individual that was killed was shot while his hands were up, that’s wrong. However, if that individual was shot while attempting to retrieve something from his pocket, he was shot based on what case law views as furtive movement, which is justified. If one is going to surrender, then surrender. If one is going to fight, then fight. Being indecisive will surely get one killed.

    All of these so called “Militias” as well as the Sovereign Citizens are for the most part made up Chairborne Rangers and wannabes. They are clueless when it comes to tactics and the proper mindset, and as Sieg has said, are a breeding ground for snitches and Agent Provocateurs. It is for these reasons that I shun these organizations. I’ve spent too much time in the woods to be involved with these ass clowns.

    Paladin

  16. Sieg Says:

    We now live in an age where the informant, instead of being vilified, is glorified, often even rewarded with their own cult of fame. Instead of being shunned, they are now “heroes” for informing on those who welcomed them as Brothers or partners.

    The Sovereign Citizens movement has been a breeding ground for informants almost since it’s inception, and many have been led into ferocious FedCoat persecution through it. Extreme caution should be used when dealing with it’s adherents.

    Not to say that all of their ideas and actions are “bad”, but enough of them are dependent on the individual being willing to risk his life that they are suspect, at best.

    We are at the end of the “soft phase” of resistance, where one is free to publically decry the regime’s excesses, and about to enter the “hard phase”, wherein your every thought and word, to say nothing of action, will be used to convict you of “crimes against the government”.

    the only result of this will be either a contented population of sheep, or a state of armed insurrection.

    FTF / FTP
    TOSIAR

  17. Griz's Gal Says:

    A tip of the hat to you, Rebel.

    GG

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