Justice Denied In Waco

June 8, 2015

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Justice Denied In Waco

About 500 Harley riders convened outside the McLennan County Courthouse yesterday seeking justice for the nine men who were killed in a parking lot on May 17; justice for the approximately 17 men who were wounded; for the ten more who were less severely injured; for the 176 people who were indiscriminately rounded like runaway slaves; and for the 125 or so who remain in jail. Some of the demonstrators may have also wished for justice for the men who gunned the victims down like mad dogs, and justice for the heartless and stupid public officials who have falsely imprisoned and ruined scores of lives and who have been lying about what happened in that parking lot ever since.

Those 500 Harley riders were too late. There will never be justice for what happened in the parking lot of the Twin Peaks restaurant. The opportunity for justice was lost when yahoo cops and a yahoo justice of the peace told 176 people they had to stay in jail until the could each raise $1 million bail. If anybody with a pay grade higher than Waco police sergeant gave a damn about justice they would have put a stop to this farce then.

The Waco Massacre illustrates at least two things that have gone profoundly wrong in America. American police think they have been assigned a mission to punish anyone who talks back to authority; and the press, which is professionally obliged to talk back to authority, has turned out to be a big, old, toothless whore.


There have been more than enough publically stated accounts of what happened that early afternoon in Waco to piece together a straightforward narrative. Either the Bandits or the Cossacks started it. A large number of Cossack and Scimitar Motorcycle Club members showed up for a side meeting with some smaller number of Bandidos at a Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents brunch. Everyone knows what the side meeting was about, particularly the ATF. It was about territory and who could and who could not wear a Texas bottom rocker and how and when. There is no reason to be cute about this here. This is what the Department of Justice thinks already.

“The Bandidos saw the Dirty Dozen patch over to the Angels in Arizona,” a very informed biker cop says. He has probably said this to every other biker cop in America by now. “The Bandidos don’t want the Cossacks to patch over to the Angels in Texas. The Bandidos will never allow that to happen. They won’t. They’ll never give up Texas.” The professional police are not always entirely wrong.

So in that context, the two clubs planned a meeting in what should have been a safe, neutral, location. And for whatever reason, before that frank and honest exchange of ideas could occur, one or two or three men pulled guns and one or two of them opened fire on the opposite club. A particularly pervasive rumor argues that one Bandido went insane and killed three Cossacks and injured a fourth. Another popular rumor says that a Cossack shot a Bandido and another Cossack brandished or fired a second gun. And, neither of those versions makes sense. They are both possible. There have been multiple shootings at toy runs. There have been large and nasty brawls in public places. But in the motorcycle club world it is aberrant for two clubs that have agreed to talk to start shooting each other instead. That would have been the whole point of meeting at a place like the Twin Peaks – to talk in a neutral location.


Indisputably the police can’t tell the difference between a Cossack, a Bandido, a Son of the South, a Vietnam Vet, a Biker for Jesus and a HOG member. Indisputably, the Waco police and Texas state police were there looking for trouble. The event was surrounded by at least 22 police. At least four of them came armed with FN P90 submachine guns (see photo above) and some number of police officers on scene appear to have been armed with a kind of gee whiz handgun called the FN Five-Seven which also fires very light, (sometimes) plastic core, 5.7×28mm rounds. Secret Service agents assigned to the Presidential Protective Division are issued P90s and Five-Sevens. There are several variations of the 5.7×28mm round. Anecdotes by survivors suggest that one or more of the FN P90s was sound suppressed and fired a subsonic 5.7×28mm round called the SB193.

The FN P90- submachine gun fires about 900 rounds per minute or 15 rounds per second. A persistent rumor states that “hundreds of rounds” were fired.

After a Bandido or a Cossack pulled a gun and shot somebody some number of police on the perimeter opened fire. The math is elementary. If 26 people were shot and a Bandido or a Cossack or Bandidos and Cossacks shooting together shot between one and five of them how many people did the police shoot? Anyone? Anyone who went to journalism school? Anyone who went to law school?

The police know what they did. So does the FBI and particularly the ATF which is in the firearms regulation business and classifies the 5.7×28mm as an “armor piercing round.” Two varieties of the 5.7×28mm round are available to civilians in the United States. They are called the “SS195LF” and “SS197SR.” The ATF exists to identify the difference between an “SS195LF” and an “SB193.” ATF agents are good at that. That’s why they all make $200,000 a year.

The Dallas Morning News reported this morning that Waco police have “declined to release detailed reports from that day, saying they are still awaiting ballistic reports.” That is clearly a lie and the Morning News should be scolded for repeating it.

Investigating What

Preliminary autopsy reports, which are preliminary only in that some toxicology reports are pending, were completed within 24 hours of the Waco Massacre. For weeks, police have intentionally hid from the press the number of people who were killed or wounded with 5.7×28mm rounds that were not “SS195LF” or “SS197SR” and which, consequently, would have been fired by police. All the spent cartridges that littered the area of the Waco Massacre were collected within 24 hours. Every vehicle that might have been hit by a police round has been examined by now.

Last Friday a McLennan County prosecutor claimed there was video evidence that Cossacks and Bandidos were executing each other. His exact words were that the video showed “Bandidos executing Cossacks and Cossacks executing Bandidos.” While at least 22 policemen watched? How many did the police execute? When in the course of a journalist’s career is it appropriate to breach the boundary of dispassionate civility and ask rude questions like this?

A reasonable person might find it probable that the mass arrests, the sterilization of an acres large crime scene and the cloud of confusion created by official police spokesman W. Patrick Swanton were part of a deliberate conspiracy to hide official culpability, demonize law abiding motorcycle enthusiasts and cynically aggrandize the Waco police. It is probable that police at the scene of the Waco Massacre committed multiple crimes and continue to be guilty of at least obstruction of justice.

Justice has already been denied for the scores of innocent bystanders who remain imprisoned because they are pawns in a cruel, official game. The time has passed for United States Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Waco Massacre and its aftermath. It no longer matters. Public trust in this investigation has already been squandered. Justice delayed is justice denied.

In a rare moment of candor in an informal pretrial hearing a few years ago a very decent District Court Judge named David O. Carter said, “If the people knew what goes on here they would burn the courthouse down.” Yesterday’s demonstrators in Waco brought signs. They should have brought torches.

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56 Responses to “Justice Denied In Waco”

  1. aka rc Says:

    “re: NCOM finally get off their fat lawyer asses.”

    “More than three weeks have passed and NCOM has reserved its reaction waiting for Waco Authorities to sort through the details about what happened that tragic afternoon.”

    To little, to late, and as predicted on this site.

  2. 55 Says:

    Meh said, “The real GOP base are frothing right wing Bible Thumpers who are delighted when their police heroes kill outlaw bikers. The Christian Right (to be distinguished from various dried-up-drunk riding groups) is no friend of anyone else’s liberty or bodily sovereignty.”

    Meh, you are dead wrong.

    Do you really think Justice, Liberty, Freedom and Sovereignty originated with bikers?

    I see a lot of frothing on this site (which I personally like because it erases pretense and gray areas) but little of it from ‘Christian Bible Thumpers.’

  3. atxpsycho Says:

    I had a few comments. First I think you are spot on. I believe the Bandidos and Cossacks also started this. Who? I don’t know. I do not believe hundreds of rounds were fired as spread in some media. The week after the incident I rode through Waco, and even checked out the Twin Peaks. That many rounds would show damage. I didn’t see any.

  4. caretaker Says:

    Rebel- Just saw your reply. No worries.


  5. peter Says:

    Long time back when I watched tv news stories through an antenna, it looked wrong, all three networks pick the same story every night. Now, cable tv is great if you want to find out about side effects of drugs you have no idea what they are for.

    Fascinating and frightening to see how ebola is big news until big gov hires a media expert to control the story.

    Shocking how the Waco biker shoot out was big news in the mainstream for about 2 days. And then it is gone. Replaced by a story of how some Texas cop threw a 14 yr old girl to the ground and resigns in shame.

    In the meantime, quite a few are buried, many more recuperate, everyone else who saw what happened was either leo or locked up in a fashion that ignores constitutional requirement of speedy trial or reasonable bail. Shocking in that this has totally disappeared from mainstream news.

    Actually I am not really so surprised or shocked. I expect this whole affair to be mostly buried from sight; I expect the truth will not be told in prime time. Whoever controls main stream media controls discussion and language in such a way that reasonable conversations do not take place. For example some distant relative made some mention of “biker gangs” I asked “Are you talking about biker gangs or motorcycle clubs? I am pretty sure they call themselves clubs.”

    I would not believe any video released from official sources at this date… Have you seen the Mad Max movie? Is Charlize Theron an amputee or not? I do though read a bit I have read this website, most everything about the Waco shooting and mass arrest. Witness accounts, especially from veterans who should know the sound of various types of weapons seem important to me. You can guess what I think really happened there.

    I am not going to say I am a biker. I am not in a motorcycle club. I do ride a motorcycle, I own two in fact, one is a Harley even. I ride them. I find it amazing to fly over the ground in such a way. But that doesnt matter at all.

    What matters is two things:

    First, Do the police serve and protect, or do they shoot first and ask questions later? Honestly the police scare me, even though I never carrying or holding or anything.

    Second, Is there any journalistic duty to report the truth any more? Not the “official” story, but, who will talk to people and present differing views so that we may know what really happened?

    I guess the good news is that at least for this story, The Aging Rebel is a real “I am gonna get the story out” journalist.

    Thank you.

    -my 2c.


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