Kingsmen Murder Gun Found

October 9, 2014

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The Buffalo News reported last night that the semiautomatic pistol used to kill Paul Maue and Daniel “DJ” Szymanski in the early morning hours of September 6 was recovered last month. The weapon was found near Route 219 south of Buffalo. The gun was found during a search that began on September 19 and ended September 24. The Erie County Sheriff’s Office, New York State Police, Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are participating in the investigation.

Quoting a confidential police source, Dan Herbeck of the News reports, “The gun was found by a state trooper using a metal detector, and a police dog found some other evidence.”

The men were both shot in the back of the head after attending a party at the Kingsmen’s North Tonawanda chapter clubhouse. A witness said the shooting was preceded by “extremely loud arguing.” The same witness reported seeing “a bunch of people” running from the scene. Maue was a former president of the Buffalo chapter of the Kingsmen.

Ongoing Dispute

The News also reported that confidential sources, “believe the murders may be linked to ongoing disputes within the biker community. Those disputes include efforts by other biker clubs to recruit members to leave the Kingsmen and join other biker clubs.”

The September 6 murders was one of at least four repored incidents in what appears to be an attempted hostile patch over of the Kingsmen by another club.

On August 31, 2013 the Kingsmen’s Lockport clubhouse was damaged, a man sleeping inside was beaten with baseball bats and a motorcycle, several firearms, ammunition, beer, liquor and a cell phone were stolen.

In early August, Szymanski reportedly told a friend, “We had some problems down in Jamestown. Another club was trying to take over our Jamestown clubhouse.”

On August 24, an unnamed Kingsmen was attacked near the Niagara Falls Clubhouse and stripped of his colors. The man also reported that five rifles, a shotgun and two black powder rifles had been stolen from the clubhouse.

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49 Responses to “Kingsmen Murder Gun Found”

  1. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Wow…. That is a shame but I’ve seen a few winners too. And I have also seen guys fly under the radar for years that never should have made it in first place not just in my Club but others as well.

    People like to spout off about respect, loyalty and Brotherhood. Till you ask them when was the last time they stopped by a greybeards house just check in because he’s down due to health issues or help a Brother out that’s having hard times with no job and has kids or a Bro that’s strung out on old school or new school and needs to DT. Guys that do these things are the true Brothers no matter the flag and the reason why I’m a patch.

    Just my thoughts to your great post.

    Viva Los Vagos

  2. Bruka Says:

    AVAGOVFFV said :

    Yeah those wise greybeards are in short supply anymore times are changing. Hopefully our youngsters that are chosen to patch will pick up on the right things and stick with tradition and the value system created forty five plus years ago.

    Amen to that !

    I’m what a greybeard would call a young guy but have been a patch holder for a few years. We recently had one of the worst Prospects we’ve ever had come through and the club is over 30 years old in one form or another. The guy was 22 and had ridden with an MCC that is quite friendly with us, after a couple of months of prospecting for them he decided that they weren’t a good fit and decided to hang around with us for a while. After a few months of knocking around and attending events we decided he was OK to prospect. We’re in the clubhouse having a drink on a friday night and our Secretary calls him in, gives him a prospect tab and says “Go sew this on as quick as you can” – he comes back ten minutes later drinking a bottle of beer with the tab stuck to his vest. “Where’d you get the needle and thread ?” i said, he says “I didn’t, its super-glued on”, “Go fucking sew it” i say giving him a needle and thread from behind the bar, “I don’t know how to sew” … Anyway after a couple of hours drinking one of the lads isn’t feeling too great so i decide the prospect can keep an eye on him and make sure he doesn’t do anything silly like try to drive home. “Prospect !” No answer, i walk over to the stairs and shout up “Prospect !” No answer, i go outside “Prospect !” No answer. One of the guys from another club comes out of the toilets pissing himself laughing, “You looking for your Prospect ?”, “Yeah”, “He’s in there chucking up” – I walk into the toilets and he’s clutching the bowl looking very green. The brother i was looking for him to look after comes into the toilet “I’ll look after him, don’t worry”.
    This sort of thing carried on for a couple of months, over-indulging himself at parties and during meetings when he was meant to be tending bar or looking after bikes, forgot a run with no great excuse other than “I forgot” and finally his bike was “Stolen” and he wasn’t in any great rush to replace it. So a few of us decided to ask him if he was willing to step it up and concentrate or if he wanted to turn in his prospect tab (he hadn’t earned the patch) and fuck off. He said “I didn’t think it was gonna be like this”, “What do you mean ?”, “I thought there’d be more partying and stuff like that”, “Oh right, well we think its best if you leave”, “Can i still come to open night ?”, “Errrmm … NO !”.
    Found out last week that he’s back Prospecting for the MCC (we had a little word in their shell-likes and told them about the problems) and apparently he’s taken to it like a fish to water. Goes to show that the Prospect period serves its purpose for both parties involved – not only did we find out that he was as useful as tits on a fish but he got a closer look and decided it wasn’t for him. The guy who sponsored me (who is a greybeard and a 10 year member) told me “Remember when you came round and i told you to get to know everyone, all the clubs and their hangarounds ?”, “Yeah”, “Well thats why”.

  3. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Oh I’m sure my pals Koz, the midget and the rest of ABC’ers have the resources available to know who each and everyone one of Rebels visitors are not a doubt in my mind.

    Viva Los Vagos

  4. RtC Says:

    @FTIO, I see where the confusion came from. Your post here 10-12-14 @
    5:08 pm. You stated the Rebels were started in 2011 by EX-Vagos. Guess
    that was what threw me off. Just interested in FACTS, JUST THE FACTS.
    This internet BS feeds so many BS MONGERS it’s fuckin SAD. I had to look
    back to what I was sure I read from you.

  5. RtC Says:

    AVAGOVFFV, I notice this once in a while, too. Not often, tho. I think it
    might have something to do with the f’n Fed trying to pull something? I
    don’t worry anymore after the 1st few times. I’m positive Rebel has ALL
    the goodies to protect his site. I’ve never had a post not show up. If I
    notice it goes into “moderation”, I just click off the site for a while,
    then come back.
    RESPECTS for the REAL

  6. Tooj Says:


    Moderation stuff picks up differences in where you post from, etc. If you use a home laptop and a phone or some other stuff this can kick off the moderation modules that run. It can really only look at the headers, so its typical. Yeah Rebel gets to choose how stringent or not it is.

  7. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    I imagine with all the spam and malware to site receives the software has to be pretty darn tight to stop it. No biggie just noticed it was something new occurring is all.


    Viva Los Vagos

  8. panamaa Says:


    All mine go to the moderation bucket but then again I’ve only been posting here for a few months… At times I think it’s a good thing mine are checked…


  9. Sieg Says:

    AVAGOVFFV, if ya watch close, you’ll see some of Rebels comments get stuck in moderation. Guess he has some software that screens comments, and if the meet whatever criteria, sends them into a queue for him to look at personally. Wouldn’t take it personal.


  10. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Good morning…. Did something fuck up? Seems I landed in your moderation bucket.

    Take care

    Viva Los Vagos

  11. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    I took no offense to anything that you posted Sir, a humble thank you for the shout out and the kind words.

    Thanks again

    Yeah those wise greybeards are in short supply anymore times are changing. Hopefully our youngsters that are chosen to patch will pick up on the right things and stick with tradition and the value system created forty five plus years ago.

    Viva Los Vagos

  12. Tooj Says:


    No disrespect was intended. I believe I would already know had I been misconstrued. Respect to you n yours. That was classy on your part.

    I said it elsewhere and I’ll say it here too…want to learn how to grow the fuck up? Ask a 1%er.

  13. FF Says:

    Why would the shooter drive 30 miles with a hot gun in the car, just to toss it out the window? He escaped the scene of the crime, no pursuit, has the Niagara River a couple of miles to his west where he could, at his leisure, take the gun apart and toss each piece in the river or in the woods, but instead, he keeps the murder weapon in the car and drives 30 miles south of the murder scene just to toss it out of the window.

    No way that happened. No fucking way.

  14. Rusty Says:

    My utmost respect and thanks to those who post here that live the life.

    It seems most every time I come here I learn something or am reminded of proper protocol.

    Respect to the deserving

  15. rollinnorth Says:

    “It’s unclear how police obtained a tip that caused them to focus their efforts thirty miles away from the murder for three days before finding the handgun.”

    The last paragraph in the link is, as Perry Mason used to say,”irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent.”


  16. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Very well Sir apology accepted just remember what the greybeard said.

    As for my tone its very likely that you read it correctly in my last post many times I try the kind, courteous and genuine first till nice don’t work. I’m glad that my East Coast Nomad Brothers have treated you well be sure to return the same respect.

    This was told to me many moons ago also.
    “Remember, somebody always knows somebody in the community where we swim never let your alligator mouth over run your tadpole ass.”

    Thank you for the well wishes.

    Viva Los Vagos

  17. FTIO Says:


    Thank you for your input however the facts remain. I was trying to illuminate who that club was and where they came from. I was not implying where they came from was negative. Any confusion has been created on your own. You saw that one ob rebel. That guy is the guy I was talking about. Of course they’re not going to lay out past affiliation. If you really want to confirm it ask an east coast nomad member of that club or just choose to not believe it. It’s up to you.
    Last I’m posting on that matter.

  18. RtC Says:

    I’m with AVAGOVFFV & Tooj. You, FTIO stated “VAGOS”. Where is your proof.
    I saw 1 pic as OB & understood it to be OB REBEL. Nowhere did I see
    the Club you named mentioned. WTF? ONE pic?! Ya know, I joined your site
    because I believe in FUCK THE Iron Order. BUT if you are going to state
    unsubstantiated words as fact, I’m going to be less impressed with you
    & your site. I can say Fuck them here & get my feelings across just as
    well. AND to a larger audience. My advise is to NOT name any other Club
    but the Fuckin’ Urine Odor in your posts. Best to let people think you
    are an idiot, than to WRITE it and prove them right.

    RESPECTS for the REAL
    Redwolf the Conchoman

  19. FTIO Says:


    I think I may have misunderstood the tone of your post. I apologize for that. I’m not name eroppinh on who I know for a fact can verify that as they are still indeed in your club and are actually pretty decent people.

    I don’t keep any other social media accounts. I’m not here to name drop, don’t get me wrong. I know what I’m talking about and I am only around to point the proverbial gun at the IO and their “1%: counterpart.

    Ride safe and take care.

  20. Tooj Says:

    It’s an issue of respect fellows: you’re both looking for it.

    I visit bar stools in many places and for the longest time there were fellows that I KNEW were younger than me that were spouting off locales, units and assignments left and right and complaining bitterly about how they were treated when they came back.

    Clubs protect against that sort of thing FTIO, so understanding where our friends from the Green Nation are coming from shouldn’t be very difficult to ascertain, should it?

    FTIO, if you are feeling threatened by someone asking for the details as if they are going to “get you into trouble”, keep the club outta your mouth to begin with. This could have been shared without the references, just like “Nam Vets” that “served” in the 80s sharing in the bar.

    I think this may be where the issue is, my friend. Save the bashing for IO as they are not a club.

  21. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Good afternoon. Yes, I saw a picture like I said earlier. I’m sure I have not met him before but with numbers its damn hard to be tight with everyone. So all of this yapping does not make what you said inaccurate in regards to him being a former patch, it’s possible. But its highly unlikely he’s out in GOOD STANDING from the Green Nation. As for pushing you into saying something about my Club? I just want the whole story from you here since you opened the door but not have someone drop Club names around like “look at me I know something.” Understood?

    I don’t talk US politics. Argue? No, I simply call bullshit when I see it. Again, great name choice just don’t start behaving like those turds.

    Lastly, If you got more you can PM me at the BNN site I’m easy to find.

    Viva Los Vagos

  22. FTIO Says:

    Anyways, I’m not going to argue about it on the internet. I did answer your question. Verifying it isn’t on me.

    Ride safe.

  23. FTIO Says:


    You saw his picture on their out bad page, correct? It has his name. I told you where he was out of. Maybe ask your guys from that region since you don’t know him? One day he was rockin your clubs patch with a nomad bottom rocker, the next he’s the Rebels National President. It’s no secret (well, maybe to you guys over where ever you are from). There was another one as well but I don’t have his name just what he claimed.

    You seem to be trying to corral me into saying something negative about your club, but I’m not. People leave clubs and go to other clubs all the time. It’s not some unheard of concept honestly I’m sure you know that. Frowned upon and discouraged to say the least, yeah. But it happens.

    As far as mentioning your clubs name, well, again, just stating who it was. If a member of the democrat party came on here and said not to mention democrats because of Barack Obama I’m sure they’d get a similar response.

  24. rollinnorth Says:

    That greybeard sure had it right. Sad that some need reminding.

    I live a day’s ride from where this is going on, so I like to keep informed. Rebel’s site is the only place I trust for info.

    Rebel, thank you and keep up the good work.


  25. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Catchy name choice but I’m trying hard to grasp the attitude. I simply asked for additional details since your obviously in the know and got the facts. Right?

    Again, reread my last post this time try answering the questions. As for being wrong I’m sure that I’ll be many times more in my life now tell me what I’m wrong about in this topic. If your going to toss a Clubs name out at least nut up with the complete details of the events or just not toss the Club association out in the first place.

    Email you? Anyone can leave me a private message on the BN site.

    Off topic – I loath the internet most days because the people who use it are embolden to behave in ways they normally would not in the company of men.

    Like a greybeard told me many times “Son, It’s always about courtesy and respect.”

    Viva Los Vagos

  26. FTIO Says:

    Well you’d be wrong again unfortunately. Not trying to insult, just stating a fact or two. If you’d likemore leave me an ee-mail if not enjoy your day no matter to me

  27. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    My position is this if you were not willing to tell the whole story including dropping the names here after being asked it may have been wise not mentioning any past association with my Club.

    After all he’s ob right? Shit should be called out on their shit. Right?

    I have taken a look at the ob section of the site and there is one mug posted that I saw and he does not look remotely familar.

    I’ve been wrong a time or two before. And I have also been a Brother a long while and I’m not aware of any Vago in our history that has left the Green Nation in GOOD STANDING that ran off to patch into another Club.

    That would be insulting and beyond disrespectful and taken as such by me and I imagine others.

    Viva Los Vagos

  28. FTIO Says:

    @Vago I won’t name names out here for all to see but they were from the south east (Florida/Alabama) area. Not out bad either. If you REALLY wanna know just go to the USA rebel website and go to their out bad section. The rest of the website is a photo op for that asshole that’s now running that shit show.

  29. docb Says:

    Make that Rochester,PA, not Rochester,NY

    The Marine Club involved was Leathernecks Nation M\C and they must not have shot back, no dead bodys.

  30. AVAGOVFFV Says:

    Anonymous, I as in me completely agree regarding foreign clubs setting up shop in the USA sounds like something that would be concidered by many as a invasion.

    FTIO, Which “ex Vagos”?

    Viva Los Vagos

  31. Sieg Says:

    RVN69, that’s just nature’s way of thinning the herd.




  32. RVN69 Says:

    What a bunch of rocket scientist, start a fight with a club of Marines!!

    Respect to the Leathernecks

  33. Paul Says:


    Back in 93′ I took a criminal justice class. At that time, we were told a lot of military apply but do not make the cut. Due to the mentality (what is required for military work doesn’t exactly make you a good public servant).

    I find it interesting that the police are very paramilitary now, pro hiring military, and will even admit to having an ‘us against them’ mentality.

  34. StrategyIsZen Says:


    Something a very wise, old, and strange man once told me was that most police forces have their own informal assassination squads. Something common sense tells me is that a psychopath who wanted nothing more than to kill people, legally, would join a police department. I think PD’s are supposed to test for this. True psychopaths can fake test results like a hot knife slicing through butter.



  35. panamaa Says:


    Haaaaaaahahahaa, “psychic in Dubai.”.Hahahhaahhaa

  36. FTIO Says:


    Foreign MC’s have been in the USA for some time now. They usually cater to bottom feeders and trash from other clubs.
    The Rebels have been the only one to really see success, as one from Canada with an eagles head hasn’t. The Rebels have been here since I believe 2011 and were started by ex Vagos. It is a all-race welcome club,as the leader is a black guy, ex sin city diciple by name of Sawdust or Solo or whatever it changes to every other week. They patched in abunch of guys in Florida who were ex Iron Order (one being an ex cop, and a current klansmen…confused?) Tennesee, and Washington and Oregon were also Iron Order bundles of joy who did no hangaround time, no prospect time, no real learning or seeing the light so to speak, just a direct here’s your patches brother let’s go get RFFR inked on our cocks. They’re a club in a box and INMO the next Iron Order fad. They patched over Ex-Kingsmen members who were given the boot by the KMC and well, I’ll let you paint the rest of that picture.

  37. Anonymous Says:

    Personally I hope I never live to see a foreign 1% club control and hold American soil.

    If they setup shop here in the U.S. that sounds like war.

    I imagine we will soon see victims of sniper fire or big unfinished pieces of lumber.

  38. Rebel Says:

    Dear banana man,

    Well I don’t know shit about shit. But I do know a psychic in Dubai. And she tells me the police are “looking at two biker groups.” One “founded in another country” and the other “local.”

    That’s not me talking. That’s what my psychic in Dubai thinks the police are saying among themselves.



  39. RtC Says:

    So which PIG gave up his back-up?!

  40. FTIO Says:

    BANNANA MAN the rebels aren’t welcome anywhere in the usa

  41. RVN69 Says:

    @Base, your not a paranoid conspiracy theorist, Disclaimer, this is purely fictional, I have not nor do I council the commision of criminal acts!! OK now that the Fed and Pig spies have been fed, If in some fictional universe I had commited a similar crime, the weapon in question would only be found in pieces by archeoligist studying our primitive culture centuries from now.


    “I came into this world kicking, screaming and covered in someone else’s blood, I am prepared to leave it the same way.”

  42. Anonymous Says:

    If I am reading correctly, it took police 5 days with metal detectors on route 219 to find the gun.

    Sounds like someone who was riding with the shooter talked to the police.

    5 days of foot work is a lot of time and attention, imagine if the police did this kind of work for the Tipton case…

  43. Base Says:

    Does seem real convenient they find the weapon used.

    I know this is the one area in the USA they have super cops!

    Now the trolls will chime in and tell us all how we are a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorist.

  44. banana man Says:

    There is only one club in the buffalo area that is or was trying to get kingsman to patch over.they are a club from down under and when they appeared in buffalo area not to long ago, they were told they were not welcome.

  45. Tomo Says:

    T Hell, I was thinking the same. On the other hand, a person might casually toss the gun at the side of a road if they’re very confident it can’t be traced, and they won’t get brought to book even if it was.

  46. T Hell Says:

    Every time I hear that a murder weapon has been “found” it immediately raises red flags in my mind, if I wanted a gun to disappear I guarantee not even Mrs. Cleo couldn’t find that fucker.

  47. BMW Says:

    @ anti-social,

    I am absolutely positive that the feds know exactly what happened in the Iron Order’s premeditated murder of Zach Tipton. I would not be surprised if one or more feds took an active role in both planning and executing that murder. We now know that the feds were active in planning and executing several murders of various US citizens over the years — and probably hundreds more, of which we don’t yet know.

    In the premeditated murder of Zach Tipton, the feds, as well as local LEO, are simply trying to block any action until the public loses interest in the case. The LEO are following the usual pattern of keeping all information hidden, because without any information, the public tends to get bored with the story. We can see this in St. Louis, where the LEO refuse to release any info, including the ethnicity of the off duty cop who shot SEVENTEEN bullets at the kid who was killed last night.

    The “investigation” of the murders of the Kingsmen club members will undoubtedly be a new excuse for hassling members of bike clubs throughout the Northeast. Obviously, the LEO already have inside information, because they know where to go to pick up the murder weapon. If they know where the murderers dropped the gun, they also know who committed the murders and who dropped off the weapon. Otherwise, how would they know where to go?

    L,H&R TO ALL 1% RIDERS!!!

  48. antisocial Says:

    “The Erie County Sheriff’s Office, New York State Police, Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are participating in the investigation”

    Sure would be a good thing if these clowns could put this much attention on the Iron Order murder of Zach Tipton.

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