Iron Order Murder In Florida

June 27, 2014

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An Iron Order Motorcycle Club prospect shot and killed a Black Pistons patch holder in the parking lot of a Jacksonville Beach, Florida restaurant named Nippers Beach Grille at about 8:15 last night. The murder appears to be the latest incident in an escalating conflict contrived by the Iron Order between that club and multiple one percenter clubs motorcycle clubs in the Southeast.

According to witnesses, the Iron Order prospect was involved in a fight with Black Piston Zachariah J. Tipton. After Tipton bloodied the prospect’s nose, the bloodied man pulled a gun and shot Tipton four times in the face. According to Jacksonville Beach Police Chief Patrick Dooley, the inciting altercation involved “five or six men.” Tipton was pronounced dead at the scene.

Bike Night

A witness named David Johnson who was interviewed on camera by television station WJXT said, “It is a bit surreal, because I did actually see the guy die. I saw his face. I saw him turning purple. I saw him convulsing. I saw the gun shot wound and the blood coming out. It was not expected, especially for this area.”

“There wasn’t a lot of yelling or fighting or screaming or chaos. Everyone was calm. The guy who shot the individual there was in an altercation because his nose was bloody but he surrendered peacefully and when someone asked who shot the guy he said ‘I did’ and didn’t try to run away or anything.”

Police took the prospect into custody at the scene but have not announced his name or if charges will be brought against him or if he has been released from custody. Police have said that there may be as many as 30 witnesses to the murder.

The shooting occurred midway through Nippers’ “Bike Night.” Nippers co-sponsors the Thursday night event with Adamec Harley-Davidson. The event promises half-priced wings and two dollar Budweisers. The restaurant markets itself as “family friendly.” It was previously owned by Kenny Gilbert who was a contestant on the Bravo reality show Top Chef.

The Iron Order

The Iron Order describes itself as a “law abiding motorcycle club.” Numerous members of the club are sworn peace officers and reliable sources have said that at least some Iron Order patch holders are ATF agents. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has been in the forefront of the ongoing federal war on motorcycle clubs.

Club president Ray “Izod” Lubesky has frequently urged his club’s members to cooperate with police.

Following a confrontation between members of the Iron Order and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club in 2011 Lubesky told his club, “We will cooperate with LE and we will prosecute. We will take all steps necessary to protect ourselves and go on down the road.”

In 2012, Iron Order members from four states gathered to buzz by the American Outlaws Association clubhouse in Statesville, North Carolina. During that incident, the Iron Order pack was shadowed and protected by unmarked police cars from at least four police departments.

Earlier this month, a letter, attributed to Lubesky, asked Laconia, New Hampshire Police Chief Christopher Adams to “assist us when we call upon you” “if we encounter any problems with other clubs” during the annual Laconia Motorcycle Week event. That letter continued, “Just keep an eye out for the protection of our members. We do our best in security but 1%ers are lowlife, dirty scum who will do anything to harm us. We will cooperate with all law enforcement. Unlike traditional clubs, we will testify when called upon. We will stay only in populated areas where there are witnesses.”

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352 Responses to “Iron Order Murder In Florida”

  1. one who knows Says:

    Fuck you bitch ass motherfuckers you miserable low life’s don’t and won’t do shit to the IO unless you have them out numbers 5-1 iv seen it hundred of times you pussys get on the phone when one walks in and try to get back up there lmao cause your to big of a fucking pussy to try anything one on one and 99% of the time even when the rest of your meth head gang shows up your get your asses handed to ya no that’s the truth punk ass bitches fuck you and have a good day you pathedic piece of shit

  2. FF Says:

    @Wolfenlover

    I think its just kids playing around, trolling. Or it very well could be an adult male in the urine odor. Hard to tell.

    @phuquehed

    Reading this shit about memphis jigs digging up N.B. Forrest’s grave.

    I am coming down there ASAP and I need a place to crash.

  3. Wolfenlover Says:

    WTF?! Typed my post, had to go out, came back, post wasn’t there, so I reposted
    & viola! BOTH show up when I hit submit for the second post?! This ether-world
    is kinda creepy at times. Oh well, dumb-shit should have got my message for sure,
    hehehe FTUO & THEIR CHEER-QUEERS!

    RESPECTS Rebel & to the real regulars

  4. Wolfenlover Says:

    “Eyeball”, holy fuck! Can YOU even interpret what you wrote?! Guess it’s
    understandable, for a POS Urine Odor fan-gurl. My 6 yr old grandson has
    better spelling & writing skills than what you’ve produced! Why don’t you
    go to their website & cheer them on there,gurly?
    FTUO & their cheer-queers!

    RESPECTS Rebel & to the real regulars

  5. Wolfenlover Says:

    Eyeball, are you even 12? Do YOU even understand WTF you typed?! My 7 yr old
    grandson has better spelling & writing skills than than shit. But, I can
    understand, since you must be cheering on the Urine Odor. MORON
    BTW FOESAD UO wannabe

    RESPECTS Rebel & to the real regulars

  6. Eyeball Says:

    I don’t know what happened in Florida but I was standing right there at the rally on the river when 30 members of the Horse Creek motorcycle club jumped on 3 members are the iron order only two people went to the hospital Warner order member had a broken nose and his old lady broke her hand punching another guy that was beating on her which is pretty pussy I’ve been riding horse Creek clubhouse they are fake as f*** want to be f****** bikers that’s watch way too much sons of anarchy from what I’ve been told is only 3 or 4 active members at the Horse Creek club and Ironton the nerves were trouble making want to be Poser b****** that needs to learn to mind their own business otherwise the iron orders going to roll up in their s*** and run them out of Ironton

  7. Pan head Says:

    Looks like the io gang is up to their old tricks.
    There was a “gang” related shooting in Meridian, MS over the weekend.
    I’m hearing io is involved.

    Panhead

  8. JAFO Says:

    Scooters are for men who want to ride motorcycles but prefer to feel the wind on their vagina.

    JAFO

  9. alan B'stard MP (@alanBStardmp) Says:

    Footer

    Some of those Mods in Britain riding Vespas and Lambrettas could handle themselves. There was thousands of em, their brawls with rockers and the ” Blue Angels ” MC are legendary. No guns or knives

  10. Footer Says:

    Iron order is a bunch of clowny clowns. Ha ha. That’s right, clowny clowns at best. They should be a Vespa club.

  11. Freeman Says:

    What Panamaa said.

  12. panamaa Says:

    @ ironhorzmn

    ironhorzmn says

    “common decency means you should submit this evidence and put this IO guy behind bars.”

    Hey fuckface, Rebels has more “common decency” in his asshole than you have in your entire body.. If Rebel had no “common decency” he would take your IP, track it down ( which he could easily do) and send your home address to the Iron horsemen and the BP.. Then we would would see just how “hard your taking this”….

    Independent my ass, you io fuck… I live near Jacksonville and I’ve never seen a one of you cocksuckers flying your colors since this shit happened but I’ve sure heard a lot of cock choking over the internet… Real men, right?.

    Your just like the rest of your io assholes, you run your fucking mouth, stir shit up and hide behind a computer… You sad motherfuckers can’t even fight a real mans fight…. You and your kind need to read the” The Longest Trial” story on the site instead of watching S.O.A. you might learn something, but I doubt it…

    Keep crowing fucktard , shit has a way of working out…

    Now go back to sucking what ever flavor of io dick your sucking this month.. And by the way, fuck you….

  13. Sieg Says:

    round n round it goes.

    urine odor scum keep pounding the drum, tell a lie often enough and people start to believe it.

    Face it, cheerleaders, the no one associated with any of the real clubs involved in this will say a word to anyone. Doesn’t mean that the wheel won’t turn, just that you won’t here it till it’s too late.

    And for those faggots whining about “wanting police”, no, no one has said a word about wanting to call pigs. The only sentiment has been that if a real club had done half the things the urine odor has openly done, then the pig would be on them like stink on a urine odor national.

    FTF/FTP
    FTuo

  14. BMW Says:

    Obviously, this fake is trying to figure out what the Rebel knows about the Urine Odor plot to murder a Black Piston. Just as obviously, the fake doesn’t have all the facts. He only knows a version of one of the cover stories spread by law enforcement AFTER the murder. Screw the fake Urine Odor rat!!!

    THE URINE ODOR DELIBERATELY MURDERED ZACH TIPTON!!!
    JUSTICE FOR ZACH TIPTON!!!
    L,H&R TO ALL 1% RIDERS!!!
    BMW

  15. shovelNY Says:

    Ironhorzmn said:

    “I think I’m taking this harder than anyone else.”
    really? you do?
    you self absorbed cunt

    you have to be aware that members of Mr.Tiptons family read the posts here you self centered ignorant fuck

    LEARN to be a man
    notice i send “LEARN” .
    you can start to learn by having some respect for the family and shutting the fuck up
    take notice that learning does not require you to speak or express your opinion.
    you may be entitled to your opinion,you are not entitled to spew it at people who have been directly affected by the murder of Mr. Tipton
    some of the best advice i was ever given was:
    “keep your mouth shut and ears open”
    lastly, stop typing things on the internet that you would never say to a mans face because if you did you have to deal with the consequences.

  16. Rebel Says:

    Dear ironhorzmn,

    The last person in the world to whom I need to justify myself is you, you child. I am paying for this forum you are using to attack me. Just who the fuck do you think you are and just who the fuck do you think I am? If I were you, I would fuck with somebody else.

    As far as letting injustices stand, you are especially stupid. I spent, I suppose, three years on the Burgess book. I don’t think anybody who has read it thinks Burgess doesn’t deserve a new trial. But he is still in prison because basically all I can do is shed a little light. Anybody who came within a mile of that case knows that most of it is still sealed but I got the information didn’t I?

    As far as the murder of Zach Tipton goes, I am crossing the Ts and dotting the Is. But you come on here, insult me, and demand that I justify myself to you and waste my time arguing with you. Why? What do I owe you? Who the fuck are you? Email me.

    I’ll give you a couple of tidbits, you fucking moron.

    When Stone was taken into custody, after he gunned down Tipton as Tipton backed away from him, Stone had a small cut on the right side of his nose and he was wearing an immaculate, longsleeved white tee shirt. When he was officially photographed at the Jacksonville Beach Police Station to substantiate his injuries the very small cut appeared to be much larger, an apparent scab covered the entire right side of his nose and he was wearing a black, longsleeved tee shirt. Why?

    There were two medics at the scene. One was Kris Stone and the other was Andre Oleas but the only medic who tried to treat Tipton was the bartender. Oleas was the guy who used a “Be Aggressive And Shoot’em In the Face” teeshirt as his Facebook photo the next week.

    Are you sure, you piece of shit, that it was Stone being attacked by two men, not Tipton? Please forward me a copy of the video you have.

    Who was the blonde, wearing gloves, carrying a Beretta Gold Cup Line, 55″ Light flap soft gun case, entering the marina behind Nippers five minutes before the shooting and exiting two minutes after the shooting? Go ahead, smart guy, tell me. Name the Iron Order members carrying concealed pistols at the crime scene? I know the names. I want to confirm them. Why did the first police on scene abandon the crime scene to the Iron Order? The book will get done a lot faster if I don’t have to chase down some of these leads.

    What was Oleas talking to the police about at the beginning of May?

    You can’t even begin to imagine what I already fucking know so stop telling me how to do my business. This is what I do.

    Go away. You bother me. Click a donate button on your way out. This case is taking up a lot of time and money.

    Rebel

  17. popeye Says:

    As Rebel stated above theres more to this case than whats been carefully choreographed. I’ve seen videos and stills that clearly show a well planned execution. There’s more to come but only when a the corrupt system thats in place now wont be able to “fix “things and those responsible for the cover up will have no place left to hide. Rebel hasn’t finished writing about this story and the ending is much different than you have been lead to believe. There will be indictments but for now I’ll keep my mouth shut.
    Ironhorzman as for who and what you are Rebel already knows who you are ,you fucking fool. The internet is far from anonymouse but cowards always find strength in believing otherwise.

  18. ironhorzmn Says:

    Rebel:

    ‘I am saving most of this for the book but just let me say now that there are additional videotapes and still photographs of the crime scene.’

    Why are you saving those ‘videos’ and pictures when you imply they’ll clear a ‘murdered’ brother’s name and put his ‘murderer’ in prison?

    For a few bucks more on a book you’ll let an injustice stand?

    If this is true then common decency means you should submit this evidence and put this IO guy behind bars.

    It’s up to you.

    0% Independent NOT affiliated with any club

  19. ironhorzmn Says:

    I don’t give a rat’s ass about IO.
    OR BP’s premeditated beatdown.
    OR how it all blew up in their faces.

    I’m writing about the shame of leaving a ‘friend’ and a ‘family man’ and a ‘brother’ to die by himself without a brother by his side.

    BP fled the scene when the shooting started. Every one of them.

    Not one of them stayed with a downed brother to comfort him or defend him to the police against his ‘murderer’.

    They took his cut, which he sweated blood for his ‘brothers’ to earn, almost certainly took an illegal gun off him and left him to die in his own blood in the presence of his ‘murderer’.

    Every patchholder that was there has to live with that…and has to face his brothers around the US and the world.

    I think I’m taking this harder than anyone else. It sure isn’t my idea of brotherhood.

    I expected nothing less than accusations and personal attacks. But the facts are the facts.

    If some of those patchholders had actually stuck around to defend their brother’s actions the result of the investigation might not seem so one-sided.

    Did anyone there contact police later? Of course not. Then why are you complaining now?

    The Black Pistons left the scene. They left a brother. That is their shame. That is history. All the hatred and venom you can come up with on this forum will never change that.

    As far as who and what I am, I’ll let you marinate in your own ignorance.

    0% Independent not affiliated with any club

  20. Shovelhead Says:

    We already know who you are! Just another pussy Coward who doesn’t live this life, but knows all about it. To much TV maybe?
    Most likely a Pig who wants to be IO.
    Again, why are you using the name of a respected MC?

  21. ironhorzmn Says:

    BP RAN when the shooting started. Every one of them.

    Not one of them stayed with a downed brother to comfort him or defend him to the police against his ‘murderers’.

    They took his cut, which he sweated blood for his ‘brothers’ to earn, and left him in his own blood in the presence of his ‘murderer’.

    Every patchholder that was there has to live with that…and has to face his brothers around the US and the world.

    I think I’m taking this harder than anyone else. It sure isn’t my idea of brotherhood.

    All the hatred and venom you can come up with will never wash that stain away.

    As far as who and what I am, I’ll let you marinate in your own ignorance.

  22. swampy Says:

    That disrespectful clueless shit stain, “urine whoreman”, from the above post, made his way(21 hrs. ago) to comment on a youtube post that I had made 5 months before. I must admit that my post was made before Rebel had provided us with the murderer’s name, details and that he was not an active leo. It takes a pure 24k piece of shit to make such a calloused comment on a “in memory” video that obviously involves Zach Tipton’s kids and O’L.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c6QP168Vw8

    @ urine odor whoreman, how you act “in here” speaks volumes about you and how you handle yourself in public among MEN. A very wise man once told me “Can’t get it – can’t stay”….that was his personal motto. The urine odor, and their dick suckers will never “get it.” Fuck you whoreman.

  23. Panhead Says:

    @ Ironhorz………..

    You said “delete.” No can do Sally, “what’s laid is played.” Can’t take em back.
    Hit the fucking road.

    Panhead
    ICMC
    “I am my brothers keeper”

  24. T Hell Says:

    @Rebel
    A rabid pitbull is relentless you sir are a continual, nonstop, never-ending, interminable, incessant, unceasing, endless, unending, unremitting, and unrelenting seeker of the facts.

    “These guys will be lucky not to be charged for felony murder. They conducted a premeditated felonious assault that resulted in death…any death. All the evidence is there.”

    I am convinced that Angela Corey’s office could review the Zapruder film and find the BP’s guilty of killing JFK as well.

  25. Rebel Says:

    Dear popeye,

    The guy whose handle slanders the Iron Horsemen is pretty clearly a member or supporter of the Iron Order. Supporters of the Iron order include the police and prosecutors who cleared Kris Stone of any wrong doing.

    I am saving most of this for the book but just let me say now that there are additional videotapes and still photographs of the crime scene. That has kind of been an open secret for awhile. And anybody who knows me or who has followed me for any length of time knows I am fairly relentless. Particularly with people who have gone out of their way to insult, threaten and try to intimidate me the way the bosses of the Iron Order criminal enterprise have.

    Rebel

  26. popeye Says:

    Interesting what iron whoreman claims to be able to see from the security tape . I cant see anything like that. You explain the “evidence ” just as the IO explained it to the state attorneys orifice. I think your disillusion began when you were a teen and your nuts still hadnt dropped and I’m sure the BP’s arent losing any sleep over losing the respect of a cunt like you. When you say you worshipped those guys does that mean you had sexual fantasies about them? Thats an odd word to use about other men. I wont get into explaining the stupidity of your thesis. Its a waste of time trying to explain the obvious to a fool.

  27. Dazed Says:

    @Ironhorzmn,Go fuck yourself you Copsuckin Pig..”By the way, what the fuck are you doing using a well known MC’s name??”..Hear,hear.

  28. rollinnorth Says:

    This iron-on-hey-look-at-me troll sure smells like bacon.

    Respect.

  29. Shovelhead Says:

    I’m with Phuquehed. Your so full of shit I can smell you from here!! How are you a supporter of the BPMC? Did you buy a t-shirt at a swap meet?
    Since you don’t seem to know, 1%ers do not talk to Pigs!!

    I’m sure the BP’s would never allow a sissy punk like you to hang around. Give that shirt to someone with balls and go play with your IO buddies and watch SOA re-runs.
    By the way, what the fuck are you doing using a well known MC’s name??

  30. Phuquehed Says:

    I say you’re a fuckin’ liar. There’s far too many ways to blow holes in every paragraph of your pathetic post, so I’ll just cover it for the whole thing.

  31. Ironhorzmn Says:

    delete

  32. ironhorzmn Says:

    I am, or rather was, a BP supporter. I considered many of them acquaintances, if not more, with chapters in Jacksonville and Middleburg FL.

    I worshipped those guys who seemed larger than life to me. But I’ve had my world thoroughly rocked at what I just found out about the Nippers shooting.

    According to a thorough investigation, backed by detailed surveillance video and many excellent witnesses, the BP were on a clear mission. Video showed that several BP patchholders circled this man and suckerpunched him. Then they ganged up on him and beat him severely.

    During the fight the IO prospect drew a lawfully carried gun and defended himself. I don’t blame him and I’d do the same.

    Now here’s where my disillusion starts.

    Not one of his brothers stayed to tell the police NAS T’s side of the story. They call for ‘justice’ but when the time came to ensure justice, his ‘brothers’ pulled his cut and took his gun and LEFT him to die ALONE. NO ONE stayed to defend their brother or his honor.

    Not only did ONE IO PROSPECT run off perhaps a DOZEN BP patchholders, some of whom I probably knew and respected, but now the BP tells lies about him being an ‘off-duty cop’ (he was an Army Combat Medic with no LE connection) who ‘executed a brother’ after ‘losing a fight’. In short, now they’re whining about getting their asses handed to them.

    Did they not expect someone to defend themselves? Or did they really believe he would allow himself to get stomped into a mudhole?

    These guys will be lucky not to be charged for felony murder. They conducted a premeditated felonious assault that resulted in death…any death. All the evidence is there.

    I know how they felt about the IO. I never blamed them for intimidating IO wherever they showed up. But I never expected them to beat down someone like this and I SURE didn’t expect them to strip a brother’s cut and LEAVE him to die while they RAN.

    I lost about 95% of the respect I had for the BPMC. I still respect many individual patchholders but I couldn’t imagine most of them making themselves party to this on their own.

  33. ironhorzmn Says:

    I am, or rather was, a BP supporter. I considered many of them acquaintances, if not more, with chapters in Jacksonville and Middleburg FL.

    I worshipped those guys who seemed larger than life to me. But I’ve had my world thoroughly rocked at what I just found out about the Nippers shooting.

    According to a thorough investigation, backed by detailed surveillance video and many excellent witnesses, the BP were on a clear mission. Video showed that several BP patchholders circled this man and suckerpunched him. Then they ganged up on him and beat him severely.

    During the fight the IO prospect drew a lawfully carried gun and defended himself. I don’t blame him and I’d do the same.

    Now here’s where my disillusion starts.

    Not one of his brothers stayed to tell the police NAS T’s side of the story. They call for ‘justice’ but when the time came to ensure justice, his ‘brothers’ pulled his cut and took his gun and LEFT him to die ALONE. NO ONE stayed to defend their brother or his honor.

    Not only did ONE IO PROSPECT run off perhaps a DOZEN BP patchholders, some of whom I probably knew and respected, but now the BP tells lies about him being an ‘off-duty cop’ (he was an Army Combat Medic with no LE connection) who ‘executed a brother’ after ‘losing a fight’. In short, now they’re whining about getting their asses handed to them.

    Did they not expect someone to defend themselves? Or did they really believe he would allow himself to get stomped into a mudhole?

    These guys will be lucky not to be charged for felony murder. They conducted a premeditated felonious assault that resulted in death…any death. All the evidence is there.

    I know how they felt about the IO. I never blamed them for intimidating IO wherever they showed up. But I never expected them to beat down someone like this and I SURE didn’t expect them to strip a brother’s cut and LEAVE him to die while they RAN.

    I lost about 95% of the respect I had for the BPMC. I still respect many individual patchholders but I couldn’t imagine most of them making themselves party to this on their own.

    0% Independent

  34. Armyguy Says:

    One less criminal fat ass on motorcycle nice!

  35. Joe Mama Says:

    My Condolences to his extended family.

    Now start sending all these letters to the Florida Attorney General and just maybe something will happen.

    At this web page alone there are over 175 letters or comments time to turn that into a citizens petition to prosecute.

    Unfortunately way to many of them are OUT OF CONTROL and if we don’t push the issue nobody is going to. So if you really want to help bring justice for this time for some letters to the FL AG.

    Cops acting like this puts EVERYONE in danger.

    Joe

  36. Phil M. Says:

    You are just a punk bitch… I see I.O. everywhere riding and laughing at all the other clubs that spit words and text each other from the comfort of their trailer-park. m.c. is just that… how many miles have you put on this year? try getting on the road and quit playing bitch computer jockey. the m.c.’s from the 50’s n 60’s would surly kick your ass for being such a poser. now, go ahead and delete my message, you wouldn’t want anyone to know the truth. Philthy

  37. RtC Says:

    Been the better part of 120 days & still trying to cover this MURDER up!
    This ISN’T gonna just go away!
    FUCK the Urine Odor Provocateur Cunts,FTF FTG FTW!
    RESPECTS for the REAL
    RtC

  38. panamaa Says:

    Annonamis,

    First off, learn to spell anonymous you fucktard……… ( Or are you just being “cute”)

    Second, you would have shot all of them because you’re a pussy like the rest of your io asshole buddies..

    And third, go suck ipod dick and then go fuck yourself…

  39. Rebel Says:

    Dear Annonamis,

    You get that you’re a child, right? You talk like a child. Men don’t talk about it. Men be about it.

    Rebel

  40. Annonamis Says:

    Dude did what he had to, good on him, 1% ears don’t deserve any condolences, act like a criminal die like a criminal, if I were getting jumped by 6 bikers i would have shot em all!!!

  41. Paladin Says:

    Due to injuries and the hospitalization of their personnel, LE agencies may start banning their employees from membership in the io. It’s really hard to “protect and serve” from the confines of a wheel chair or hospital bed.

    Arriving “on scene” with the aid of crutches does not instill confidence in the citizenry, nor does it enhance one’s command presence.

    Long May You Ride (to those that deserve to),

    Paladin

  42. fayettenamhoe Says:

    thats what pigs(aka,cops) do

  43. Maynard Says:

    True. The IO got beat down in Ohio. The most severely injured were 4 members of IO (off duty cops from Ashland PD in Kentucky). Not sure who was arrested, but no ther club members were hurt…only Iron Order members.

  44. panamaa Says:

    Phuquehed.

    As it should fuck’in be….

  45. Phuquehed Says:

    @Munson – Good news…so long as you’re talking about that the “more than a few arrested and even more taken away in ambulances” was all IO faggots and none of the righteous 1%’s.

  46. Munson Says:

    IO took a beating last night in Ironton, Ohio. A few 1% MC’s caught a bunch of them and beat the snot out of a few of them. Over 50 guys involved in the fight. More than a few arrested and even more taken away in ambulances. From what I heard…a few of them from IO were cops from Kentucky.

  47. Gray Buffalo Says:

    IO pieces of shit hang out at a home on Golden Nugget Drive and Rock Canyon Drive in Katy, Texas. Punk ass pukes sit there in lawn chairs getting drunk. Just an FYI.

  48. Lady Says:

    Mag,

    Well said, and I do agree that times have changes and not for the good of the citizens that are supposed to be protected.

    Unless a total revamping of power from the very top on down is done, there will be no fixing of it either. It would take every American to stand up and fight for their rights,and as we have all seen, that is not going to happen. So, that leaves the few of us that are willing and able to take this monster on.

    Much Respect,
    Lady

  49. Lady Says:

    Muck,

    Well let’s see from where I am to Houston,and from from where you are to there might just be an equal amount…but damned if I see any rain!! Wonder if we could get WIzard to do a rain dance? Cause what’s going down there is going to make me very, very happy …and I just might have to show up myself!!! Will know by midweek.

    Huge hugs and much love and Respect,
    Lady

  50. Mag Says:

    @Lady – what you describe is a lawman who is a part of his community, who protects and serves. That is the vision we had as a country.

    As we all know today that is rare and what we have instead are narcissistic men who take up a career of lethal power, applied locally – not from a drive to be of service but to have the shiny and expensive accountrements of tyranny on their bodies; the fear of the public as a subtle constant bath for their insecurities; and random but guaranteed oppportunities to explode the base and sickening proddings of their inner brutality upon the vulnerable.

    That’s not to say there aren’t still good men in service to our families and neighborhoods. But the jackwad population ain’t shrinking and Mayberry’s definitely over.

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