Curbing John Carr

June 3, 2014

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For at least 16 years an apparently psychopathic federal agent named John Carr has been framing innocent men.

In his memoir Under and Alone: The True Story of the Undercover Agent Who Infiltrated America’s Most Violent Outlaw Motorcycle Gang, former ATF agent William Queen describes Carr as one of the ATF original gangsters who was recruited in 1998 to rid the west of motorcycle clubs by any means necessary. Queen wrote that Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent John Ciccone was tasked by his supervisors with “targeting the growing outlaw motorcycle gang problem in Southern California.” Consequently, Ciccone “developed a ‘gang’ of his own; ATF Special Agents John Carr, Eric Harden, and Darrin Kozlowski, fondly referred to as Koz, were the core. They’d all started with the Bureau together.”


Carr was one of four ATF undercover agents who infiltrated the Mongols Motorcycle Club during what would eventually be called “Operation Black Rain.” Working with a contracted snitch named Steve “Kaos” Veltus, Carr tried to criminalize the Mongols in Southern Nevada. After essentially buying a “P-Patch,” or probationary patch, Carr was influential in starting a chapter in Nevada. He entrapped club members into providing “security” for two, bogus, 25-kilo, cocaine deals and he was expelled from the club after trying to entrap yet another Mongol at the club funeral for a man named Manual Vincent “Hitman” Martin. Martin, himself, was probably murdered by or with the foreknowledge of ATF agents.

Carr also worked as a case agent handling contract snitches during a lengthy and mostly fruitless infiltration of the Vagos Motorcycle Club. Details of his uncover work with motorcycle clubs remains officially secret. It is secret because his career is shockingly duplicitous and most citizens would be appalled and disgusted by it. Rather than candor, the public record on Carr’s career is concealed by a thick coat of red, white and blue.

When Carr was given a Federal Bar Association Medal of Valor Award in 2002 his commendation read: “Special Agent Carr earned his award for working undercover to catch violent gang members staging a series of home invasion robberies. Carr transformed his look, acquainted himself with the criminals, and pretended to help them in their operation. Carr gave the criminals false information, which led them to traps planned by the ATF. Thanks to Carr’s work, many dangerous criminals were caught and taken off our streets.”

“John Carr risked his life working on this assignment,” the commendation continues. “There are not many people who would make such a great sacrifice for others to feel safe in their homes. Through his courage, bravery and steadfast dedication, Carr prevailed in the face of danger.”


Carr seems to have perfected one particular entrapment by doing it over and over. His song and dance goes about like this.

He always promises easy money, usually $1,000, for less than three hours of virtually risk free work. Some sources have suggested that his specific victims are selected from a pool of candidates based on the victims’ credit scores and their desperation for immediate cash.

The entrapments are always videotaped and calculatedly theatrical. A federal prosecutor involved in the prosecutions that resulted from Operation Black Rain described one of the Mongols entrapments as “guerilla street theater.” These “stings” are always videotaped and Carr and his contract snitches always know where the cameras and microphones are so they can theatrically and cynically adjust the volume of their voices and their body language to give performances that will seem most damning of their victims.

Carr always requires his victims to bring guns and bullet proof vests and when his targets don’t own guns or bullet proof vests Carr supplies them. Victims of these stings are frequently misled about the nature of the crime they are about to commit on camera until mere seconds before Carr starts pulling out guns, cash or dope.

No real crime is ever committed. All the participants in these dramas except Carr’s victims are cops or contracted employees of the ATF.

Carr’s career exemplifies the Sadistic State – a dysfunctional polity that can barely govern but which jealously retains its unique power to control and punish. The less capable the Sadistic State becomes of accomplishing basic governmental tasks the more preoccupied it becomes with asserting its power over its citizens as an end in itself.

Not every public defender – and most of Carr’s victims are dependent on public defenders – placidly accepts his client’s entrapment and counsels him to sign a plea deal. Some defenders describe these stings as “outrageous.”


For example, a Carr “sting” in May and June of 2006 eventually became a federal case titled United States v. Mausali. Uiese Mausali’s codefendants were men named Diego Osuna-Sanchez, Juan Okamoto and Mokey Mose. Mausali appealed the conviction on the grounds “that the Government violated his right to due process by…directing the entire criminal enterprise from start to finish and by promoting a crime of violence.”

Carr had talked the men into robbing a drug safe house. He supplied the drug house and talked them into the crime during a string of conversations over the course of more than a month. The men demonstrated their predisposition to committing the robbery by “meeting with Carr,” putting on “bullet proof vests” and “possessing firearms.” When they were arrested during their final meeting with Carr they were charged with “conspiracy to distribute at least five kilograms of cocaine,”  “conspiracy to interfere with interstate commerce by robbery” and “possessing a firearm in furtherance of a drug trafficking crime.”

In its ruling on Mausali’s appeal, the Ninth Circuit Court wrote: “Defendant contends that the district court abused its discretion by failing to sua sponte dismiss the indictment in the face of the Government’s purportedly outrageous conduct. Defendant claims that the Government violated his right to due process by supposedly directing the entire criminal enterprise from start to finish and by promoting a crime of violence. We do not reach the merits of Defendant’s outrageous government conduct claim, because Defendant has waived this claim for purposes of appeal.”

The legal technicality for which Mausali’s appeal was rejected was that his lawyer had screwed up. The lawyer should have raised the issue that his client had been entrapped before the trial instead of on appeal. “We hold today,” the Court wrote, “as have the Second, Third, and Eighth Circuits, that a defendant waives his claim of outrageous government conduct of which he is aware if he fails to assert it in a pretrial motion to dismiss.”

Still At It

All of this serves merely as a prologue to another case that resulted from one of John Carr’s entrapments. This one, like most of Carr’s shenanigans, was reminiscent of the Mongols case six years ago. Carr split his time between Los Angeles and Las Vegas. He employed the same ATF owned warehouse in L.A.

The official ATF title of Carr’s most recent entrapment was the “Joe Home Invasion Crew” investigation.

As is typical, this entrapment employed two confidential informants indentified in public documents only as “CI-1 and CI-2.

“CI-l has been working for the ATF since 2010 and is working for monetary compensation. CI-l was paid $2,500, which included expenses and subsistence, for his/her work on this case. CI-l was introduced to ATF by CI-2 as someone who was interested in working for money.”

“CI-2 has been working for the ATF since 2001. Prior to 2001, CI-2 was working for LAPD, and was introduced to the ATF through his/her LAPD handler. CI-2 also works for monetary compensation. CI-2 was paid $6,100, which included expenses and subsistence (CI-2 was living outside the area at the time and had to travel), for his/her work on this case. CI-2 has one felony conviction for possession of controlled substance from before 2000 and one misdemeanor conviction for petty theft from before 1995.” (The Aging Rebel believes that the official description of CI-2 transcribed here contains a lie that is intended to further conceal the informant’s identity.)

One obvious indicator of the cynically contrived nature of this case is betrayed by its official summary in an ATF “Report of Investigation.” This single report (ROI 8) summarizes the narrative of the case from July 1, 2013 through September 18, 2013. The ROI was not written by Carr but rather after the fact by a case agent named Ioannis C. Douroupis and is not dated. The ROI was reviewed and approved by Carmine N. Downey, the current Resident Agent in Charge, Glendale V Field Office and Steven J. Bogdalek who is the Special Agent in Charge of the Los Angeles Field Division. Like most ATF ROIs it is bogus evidence. It is not a step by step record of the events of an investigation but rather a mendaciously edited summary written with hindsight and after the fact that is intended to prove whatever a prosecutor intends to tell a grand jury.

In this case the prosecutors were two Assistant United States Attorneys named Vicki Chou and Carol Chen.

The Crime Of Conspiring

The criminal complaint filed last September 19 begins:

“Count One: Beginning on an unknown date and continuing to on or about September 18, 2013, in Los Angeles County, within the Central District of California, and elsewhere, defendants Joe Roberts, Rene Flores, Randy Garmon, Richard Castillo aka “Bad Boy” and Arturo Cortez aka “Chive,” conspired and agreed with each other to knowingly and intentionally (1) possess with the intent to distribute, and (2) distribute at least five kilograms, that is, approximately 20 to 25 kilograms, of a mixture and substance containing a detectable amount of cocaine, a Schedule II narcotic drug controlled substance, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 841 (a) (1) and 841 (b) (1) (A) (ii).

“Count Two: On or about September 18, 2013, in Los Angeles County, within the Central District of California, defendants Joe Roberts, Rene Flores, Randy Garmon, Richard Castillo aka “Bad Boy” and Arturo Cortez aka “Chive,” knowingly used and carried firearms during and in relation to, and possessed those firearms in furtherance of, a drug trafficking crime, namely, conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine, as charged in Count One of this Complaint.”

A month later, as is the custom in federal justice, a grand jury returned an indictment that added a count. That indictment alleged that the men had “(1) conspired to possess with intent to distribute approximately 20 to 25 kilograms of cocaine; (2) conspired to interfere with commerce by robbery; and (3) possessed firearms in furtherance of a conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine.”

As he has done dozens, if not hundreds, of times before, Carr had imagined a stash house robbery. The serpent enticed and the sinners were encouraged to try to bite the forbidden fruit.

“On September 18, 2013, defendants Joe Roberts (“Roberts”), Rene Flores (“Flores”), Randy Garmon (“Garmon”), Richard Castillo (“Castillo”), and Arturo Cortez (“Cortez”) were arrested after they showed up with guns and ski masks at a pre-designated location in order to carry out the armed robbery of a stash house that they believed contained 20-25 kilograms of cocaine.”

Judge Real

The case followed a predictable course. On the advice of counsel, Cortez, Flores, and Garmon pled guilty to counts two and three of the indictment and were scheduled for sentencing March 10 before Judge Manuel L. Real. Then the case took an unexpected and ironic turn.

Apparently Judge Real, who was appointed to the federal bench by Lyndon B. Johnson in 1966 and who is now 90, somehow just fell off the turnip truck. After almost five decades of wallowing in the outrages that lend federal justice its distinctive stench, Real had second thoughts about sentencing Roberts, Flores and Garmon. So he rudely asked Chou and Chen, “Hey, what’s that smell?”

“Before sentencing,” Real wrote last Friday, “this Court ordered, on March 10, 2014, the government to provide briefing on the nucleus of events that led to the committing of the crimes, the nexus of the creation of the crimes by the government, how the reverse sting came into existence, and how and why the confidential informants came into this case and targeted the defendants. The government’s brief on these issues, filed on March 31, 2014, was wholly inadequate because it did not address these questions or provide any information about the confidential informants. The government filed a reply brief to the defendants briefing on these same issues, which included a calendar of events that was created for this Court. None of the entries in this calendar of events are signed or dated. Because of this, the Court ordered, on April 28, 2014, the government provide further briefing with all the information available to it regarding the confidential informants, the entire history of the creation of the reverse sting, and why these defendants were targeted. The government filed a supplemental brief on May 5, 2014.

“The government, despite being specifically ordered to provide such information, has not provided any contemporaneous signed and dated reports from when this matter was being investigated. To the extent the government’s calendar of events provides the history of this case, the accuracy of those reports is seriously called into question as they were not made contemporaneously or signed by the author.”

Real responded to the government’s stonewalling by dismissing the indictment against Roberts, Flores and Garmon.


Although most citizens do not know it, entrapments are legal. But in order to make an entrapment stick, government prosecutors must first prove that the entrapment’s victims were “predisposed” to commit such crimes anyway.

In his interesting, ten-page long dismissal, Real argued that it was laughable to assume that the three defendants were predisposed to commit the crime Carr invented and he called the investigation racist. He wrote: “Before recruiting these defendants, the government knew two things about them: that they were from a poor neighborhood and minorities. This was ensured by how the government used its paid informants to try to lure these men into the government’s scheme. To be clear, the government was not trying to infiltrate a preexisting criminal organization nor approaching individuals already contemplating robbing a stash house.”

“While the government has averred that the defendants are violent narco-traffickers, this is hard to countenance with a straight face. For instance, defendant Cortez had three prior misdemeanor convictions: driving with a suspended license, possession of under an ounce of  marijuana, and criminal threats. These offenses hardly arise to the level of violent ‘recidivist career criminals’ that the government argues.”

“More importantly, the government was not even aware of Cortez’s criminal history until after he was arrested for the crime. The other defendants also have no history of armed robbery or drug trafficking. If we were to accept the government’s absurd proposition that prior drug possession was proof of a propensity for drug trafficking, then the current President of the United States, at least one former President, and at least one judge being considered for appointment to the Supreme Court of the United States would ostensibly, according to the government’s theory, be just the types with the propensity to be narco-traffickers.”

Agent Carr

Then Real lambasted the role of agents provocateur like Carr and his anonymous CIs in federal prosecutions like the one that had come before him.

“Just as important as the government’s complete lack of a basis to target the defendants, the government created the fictitious crime from whole cloth,” Real wrote. “Agent Carr was the only integral part of the conspiracy to rob his fictitious stash house from the beginning. Agent Carr invented the amount of cocaine present, making his planned robbery worth approximately $600,000. He invented the two old men guarding the fictitious stash house, that they were armed, and thus the need for the defendants to bring guns. Although Agent Carr may never have said the phrase ‘make sure you bring guns,’ he told the defendants that the two men guarding the stash house were armed and that he could not get the guns. When the defendants brought guns to the warehouse, they merely did so as part of Agent Carr’s plan. Agent Carr was to provide the getaway car and be at the fictitious stash house to let his coconspirators through the door. Despite the government’s argument that the defendants planned the crime, Agent Carr controlled all the details, communicating that the defendants would need to bring guns, detailing how they would enter the fictitious stash house, and how they would get away. Agent Carr insisted that he would be at the fictitious stash house during the robbery and that he would open the door for the defendants. When Agent Carr said he wanted to meet everyone at the warehouse to plan the robbery, Roberts said that there was no need and he would just show the others Agent Carr’s photograph, but Agent Carr insisted that he meet everyone to go exactly over the plan. Once at the warehouse, Agent Carr insisted on running through a script to ensure there was a conspiracy. Moreover, none of the defendants even knew of the location of the fictitious stash house. Without Agent Carr there could have been no agreement at all. The government’s crime is a lie and a falsehood. Agent Carr was lying to the defendants the whole time. Everything Agent Carr said was part of his fraud on the defendants. If Agent Carr was not acting on behalf of the government, he could be charged for fraud for his scheme. Agent Carr for all purposes planned the robbery and the conspiracy from beginning to end. The government argues he did not tell the defendants how to do their part, but their part was only agreeing to go along with Agent Carr. Agent Carr told them the details of the targeted fictitious stash house, that he would let them in, provide the vehicle, and told them of the obstacles they would encounter. The only thing Agent Carr did not provide them with was guns. However, Agent Carr and the ATF needed to have the arrests for guns, and it was not the defendants who asked about the need of guns. But the crime that the defendants were indicted for was conspiracy, which Agent Carr was most definitively an active conspirator, the ring leader, and orchestrator of the whole agreement. But despite Agent Carr’s integral part as the mastermind of the conspiracy who was in charge of all the details, the government did not indict him. Agent Carr encouraged all the defendants to agree to his fictitious plot; at the warehouse, Agent Carr’s carefully orchestrated script ensured he would get the defendants to agree. Thus the government’s role in creating, encouraging, and participating in this conspiracy was pervasive from beginning to end. Moreover, had the defendants actually robbed a real stash house, regardless of their aspirations, and there was only one kilogram of cocaine at the real stash house, they could only be charged with possession of that one kilogram of cocaine. That Agent Carr was able to lie about all the details of the crime – the 20–25 kilograms of cocaine, the necessity to bring guns – then use those fictitious details so that the government can indict the defendants for a crime with a much greater mandatory minimum sentence, is outrageous. It would be unconscionable for this court to condone and sanction the government’s fraud in this case.”

“It is unclear,” Real continued, “why the ATF, which has no authority over illicit drugs, is trying to ensnare citizens in its fictitious stash house robberies. Further, the government has provided no evidence that there have been any stash house robberies in Southern California nor any evidence of the necessity of trolling poor neighborhoods to ensnare its poor citizens.”

About the ATF Report of Investigation described above, Real wrote: “Agent Carr goes back and forth between telling the defendants there will be 20–25 kilograms and 20–25 pounds of cocaine. This is indicative of the inaccuracy of these reports as a whole, and further highlights the true arbitrariness of the amount of drugs charged in the indictment.”

Other Entrapments

Real’s dismissal became national news. Brad Heath who writes for USA Today, has already reported on this case. You can read his coverage here.

But admirable though it is that a journalist with a national voice has noticed this one entrapment Heath still seems blind to what is really going on here and what Carr and the ATF have been doing since at least 1998 when John Ciccone first put his biker busting “gang” together. The sting that outraged Judge Real this time epitomizes the stings that have already put a hundred or more men in jail following ATF “operations” with public relations names like “Black Biscuit,” “Twenty-Two Green” and “Black Rain.”

The current government prosecution of the Mongols Motorcycle Club, a case officially titled USA v. Mongol Nation, an Unincorporated Association, is built on the same sorts entrapments, embellishments and lies that Real found so obnoxious last week. And that is a notable irony because of the part Judge Real has played in USA v. Mongol Nation.

As Heath points out in his USA Today piece, there was a similar dismissal in March by Real’s crony and fellow judge, Otis D. Wright. In that case Wright wrote that a “reverse-sting operation like this one transcends the bounds of due process and makes the Government the oppressor of its people.” Wright is the judge who presides over the current Mongols case. In fact, the legal argument that underlies USA v. Mongol Nation was actually invented by Wright and suggested to prosecutors in open court as a way to get the Mongols – because, based on the “evidence” agents including Carr gathered, the Mongols must be a criminal enterprise.

Wright And Real

Based on that “evidence,” Wright has already decided that the Mongols Motorcycle Club is a racket.

Wright made it clear that he had prejudged the Mongols case in a hearing last October. When shown a set of Mongols bylaws that forbid club members from criminal conduct, Wright told the Mongols attorney, “Those bylaws are a joke, and you know it. I am surprised you even mentioned it. This is a criminal enterprise as evidenced by the admissions of same by no fewer than 40 people who appeared before me. I can’t speak to the other 40 who appeared before Judge Carter. This is a dangerous enterprise.”

The “40” to whom Wright alludes are all men who took plea deals like the deals taken by Cortez, Flores, and Garmon. In most cases, the admissions – or statements of fact – made in those plea deals is considered hearsay. So what Wright has done in Mongols Nation is to treat ATF hearsay as evidence.

When the attorney tried to argue that the Mongols might not be a criminal racket, Wright hectored the lawyer like this: “…you are saying that it is no different than them having perhaps having been Lutheran and they are of doing all these criminal things and it is just coincidental that some of them were Lutheran; right? It is not the same thing, is it? They are operating under the banner of the Mongols. It is that name, that reputation, that intimidation factor which enables them to do what they do, isn’t it?”

LAWYER: I can’t….

WRIGHT: Go like that.

LAWYER: I can’t answer that, your Honor.

WRIGHT: I can. I have seen them. Alright. They have all been here. I have seen them.”

The men Wright had seen were all men entrapped by members of Ciccone’s gang including John Carr. The evidence used to coerce guilty pleas from the Mongols defendants sentenced by Judge Wright was no more truthful than the evidence in the cases Wright and Real have recently dismissed.

And when the Mongols current attorney, Joe Yanny, moved to remove Judge Wright from the Mongols Nation case that motion was heard by Judge Real, who rejected it out of hand.

There is some progress in the fact that these two judges have noticed that ATF Agents lie to secure prosecutions for the Sadistic State. It would be better if more federal judges recognized that the ATF lies to make virtually all its cases. And it would be best if all federal judges began to dismiss all the cases based on obvious lies told by agents like John Carr.

Maybe someday.

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41 Responses to “Curbing John Carr”

  1. Sieg Says:

    This used to be America.

    Keep saying it out loud, Rebel.

    Much respect.



  2. Shyster Says:

    Puta madre!


  3. Jim666 Says:


    Fuck every last one of em.

    F.T.F. F.T.D.E.A. F.T.A.T.F. F.T.F.B.I. F.T.A.T.F. F.T.C.I.A.


  4. Done Says:

    Probably one of your best posts and worthy of printing and sending to those up for reelection with a letter asking the politicians what they intend to do about this “girls gone wild” agency. Immagine if everyone who reads this blog printed this post and sent it to every media so called investigative outlet as well as their elected representatives and I do mean everyone! Surely somebody would persue Ciccione and friends and maybe some light would be shed on this dark corner of a criminal government agency. The formula they use is, for every letter, phone call or e-mail they receive there’s 100 others out there who feel the same way. Politicians up for reelection know a thousand or so votes can make or break a campaign especially in these mid term elections where historically far fewer voters show up to cast a vote. Likewise media outlets guage their coverages on what they beleive their viewers, listeners and readers want to see looked into. Hitting print 5 times, addressing 5 envelopes, purchasing 5 stamps and riding your bike to a mail box is a lot less expensive than a poker run and many of us support events like that hopefully not just “to be seen”. Don’t be fooled, there’s plenty of grass roots actions an individual can take that if replicated can and do make a difference but if it’s too much hassle to become an activist on this level then forget truly labor intensive causes like Save The Patch which should be given our undivided attention and support. Come on, give it a shot. They sell stamps at CVS these days.

    Again Rebel, this was one of your best. Keep up the good work. I know of nobody else who does it better.

  5. Phuquehed Says:

    A good fed, dishonest DA or cop, is one that’s not breathing.

  6. Dave Says:

    I disagree that all ATF lie about everything. I know two that don’t (that I know of). But the fact that this guy can do this and get away with it bothers me. It also bothers me that IRS agents are being armed and trained to use firearms. I just see the whole thing getting very bad pretty soon and I wish there was something I could do about it. It’s very troubling.

  7. Austin Says:

    At Last! …”The government’s crime is a lie and a falsehood. Agent Carr was lying to the defendants the whole time. Everything Agent Carr said was part of his fraud on the defendants.”

    Thank You Rebel.

    @Done – Great Idea about mailing it out to our elected officials.
    Will be doing that ASAP

  8. cwb_j0ker Says:

    This is not only a west coast issue. Feds just did the same shit to the outlaws / black pistons &hoodlums in Georgia less than 2 years ago. There actually still getting dragged through fed court still. Over 15 mens lives devastated by this lawless agency.

  9. cwb_j0ker Says:

    This is not only a west coast issue. Feds just did the same shit to the outlaws / black pistons &hoodlums in Georgia less than 2 years ago. There actually still getting dragged through fed court still. Over 15 mens lives devastated by this lawless agency.

  10. Dr. Sardonicus Says:

    @ Rebel –

    Quite a piece of investigative journalism. I can see a ton of work went into this thing. I hope it gets picked up by a major publication.

    We get to read it for free. Thanks.

  11. Base Says:

    You would think any reasonable or rational person would suspect every case that happened prior to this one (involving these agents) would be suspect and warrant a look.

    But then our justice system dropped reason and rational sometime ago. It’s all about quota now.

    Great article Rebel.


  12. Phuquehed Says:

    @Done – You’re right. But the politicians we’d send this to won’t want to read the whole thing (they’ll give the excuse that it’s too much time they can’t afford). *But*, if you have a condensed version and/or something I could copy and paste, I’d use that in a heartbeat (besides, you’d more than likely word it far better than me as I’d get halfway into asking them what they’re going to do about this runaway agency and I’d get fired up start cussing them and letting them know that their ancestors were shit out instead of born, etc etc, heh). Put it up here or send it to me in an e-mail (my address can be found at the bottom of my site so you won’t have to bug Rebel asking for it).

  13. Road Whore Says:


    Thank you for this! Keep on keepin’ on!

    Ride Free

  14. Mike 184 Says:

    Well done Rebel. I will post links to this. Time for some Lawyers to go back and start appealing!

    I believe that Sonny mentioned this in his book about when they caught the feds lying and witness tampering. When someone in the court clapped the Judge wanted to know who it was, they were in contempt. A Member raised his hand and stood up. He only had one hand! One of my favorite stories in the book. I recently met a one handed man wielding a bullwhip!

  15. Satan Says:

    Thanks for this Rebel ….
    I was busted by these ass cracks in 1998 …
    Guess it was the start of the governments own “criminal enterprise” …
    Thanks for shining a light on these cock roaches …
    Respects ,
    Satan ….

  16. RVN69 Says:

    What Jim666 said!!!!!!!!!!!


  17. skinny denny Says:

    I seriously doubt it if Carr knows the difference between a pound and a kilo. These guys aren’t hired because they’re smart. They’re hired because they have brown noses and can pass a drug test. Fuck all the alphabet agencies. Carr is probably enjoying a blow job right about now, courtesy of “Little Stevie” Cook. $1,000 for 3 minutes(if that) of work!

  18. LU-CIFER Says:

    I’ve known this bunch since 1998, I’m in the book “Under and Alone” and wrote about this bull shit they’ve been getting away with in my book “Lu-CiFER Memoirs of a MONGOL” law enforcement especially Detectives can lie to you to get you to incriminate yourself, all the people that have been or are still in prison for wrongful sentencing would not happen if there were consequences when they are wrong. Those knuckleheads should have to do the same amount of time the people they locked up. This will never end because they don’t even get a slap on the hand. Lu-CiFER

  19. KrankyKlaus Says:

    This article is unreal. Well done AR!

  20. JB Says:

    Great post, Rebel. Crazy shit. Is anyone surprised? Exactly.

    Hey Lu, thoroughly enjoyed the book. Thanks.



  21. Glenn S. Says:

    Very good reporting, as always, Rebel. Unfortunately, the majority of citizens will probably continue to endorse these law enforcement tactics but probably because the mainstream media has failed to honestly inform them as to what is going on. To begin with, they refer to entrapment operations as “sting” operations (scam operations would be a better term and you’d think that journalists would actually use the terminology that most accurately describes a thing, being well versed in language) and co-sign the bullshit theory that carefully orchestrating fake crimes is the same as only presenting an opportunity to commit a crime. Then they present these manipulative and dishonest agents as akin to celebrities and war heroes.

    We can reasonably expect LEO to promote the police state, but, in a free country, entities like a free press should act as a check. In a more perfect world, the citizenry would reject politicians that support this sort of bullshit. Except that it’s not being characterized as the bullshit it is, but as a clever police tactic to Keep Us Safe. So now its become the norm, and judges that call foul are considered in the lunatic fringe of jurisprudence.

    Thanks for what you do, Rebel. Its a goddamn shame that you’re about the only one that does it.

    Phuquehed said: “@Done – You’re right. But the politicians we’d send this to won’t want to read the whole thing (they’ll give the excuse that it’s too much time they can’t afford). *But*, if you have a condensed version and/or something I could copy and paste”

    My guess it that they will read the whole thing after they’ve received about a hundred copies. My guess is also that they still won’t give a shit, unless those copies are accompanied by at least four figured checks for their re-election campaigns, and then they’ll only give a little lip service. Maybe I’m overly cynical but I’ve long stopped being surprised at the politicians’ ability to look away from injustice.

  22. Celunni Says:

    These tactics are just more of the same of the police / surveillance state that our country is becoming. Unfortunately all the fun tech toys that we know and love are being used more and more to keep tabs on us. See for an example : and

    The need of the media to keep us constantly scared so that we watch more so they can sell more ads has led to their co opting by the people who view a surveillance state as a good way to go. Journalism has been replaced by sales and people who do real investigation are labeled as troublemakers or do not have their stories published.

    The crushing of the MC world is not a push to destroy a perceived threat and “feminize society” Those are just symptoms of what is being done. It is more about control; you can see there is a struggle for who controls the money in our society with the ruling that money is equal to speech. You can easily control people who are scared and comfortable who look to the government for leadership. Money is more easily fleeced off of them than people who live their lives as they wish without constant control and surveillance. In fact if you want a modicum of privacy you’re labeled as ‘anti-social’.

    I’ve long thought that police and government tactics of setting people up by recruiting them and then urging them to do a crime was criminal itself. Preying upon the poor or weak of character is easy however and it fills the jails and makes them look good. Jails are profitable, fines to communities are profitable, probation is profitable. Does it really cost 30k to house one person in a jail? Probation lets them collect monthly from the person they most likely framed. Seizing assets of people accused, but not convicted of crimes and selling them is another way to make money. Not copping a plea deal and making them look bad in front of juries is punishment for not lining their pockets.

    MCs are an easy target, it’s on their backs.

  23. UnaffiliatedObserver Says:

    They’ve been doing this for a long time.

    As a matter of fact, there might be a very good post in the history of conspiracy, entrapment, and egregious conduct precedents. Suffice it to say most people are entirely unaware of the effective rules on police behavior.

    I am encouraged to see the reference to predisposition – at the federal level a defendant must provide the court with notice in advance of claiming entrapment. Once that notice is served, a hearing will be set and the prosecutor will attempt to prove predisposition. If the prosecutor succeeds (which they generally do), the entrapment defense is barred.

    It’s a joke, and the conspiracy and egregious conduct precedents are even worse.

  24. Meh Says:

    It’s gotten so bad the Feds are creatively blocking local PDs from lawfully disclosing information by seizing files!

    That means if you are being tracked the evidence of you being tracked can be made to vanish, then the positional intel from you being tracked can be known and used in combination with other surveillance (rendered untraceable by the same method) against you or yours.

    If you have a cell phone, it would be wise to remember when and when not to power it on, and when it should be perhaps powered on but not with you:

    “U.S. Marshals Seize Local Cops’ Cell Phone Tracking Files in Extraordinary Attempt to Keep Information From Public”

    “Does it really cost 30k to house one person in a jail?”

    A better question is not where the money comes FROM, but to whom it goes.

  25. Celunni Says:


    Best not carry it with you at all.

    “Can police access the GPS data on your phone? According to a recent court ruling, they can not only access it, but activate GPS location tracking if it’s disabled. That’s one takeaway from last week’s U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit ruling in a case involving Melvin Skinner, who was convicted of drug trafficking–and sentenced to 20 years in jail. Skinner argued that the GPS data tracking, which DEA agents used to track a motor home he was driving that was filled with 1,100 pounds of marijuana, violated his Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable search. In addition, according to a close reading of the court ruling, it turns out that police may not have merely tracked Skinner, but actually instructed his prepaid phone provider to activate the GPS functionality. The court, however, ruled that the DEA had acted lawfully.”

    Also see

    “The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone’s microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations.”

  26. 22MFER Says:

    The world has gone mad!

  27. Glenn S. Says:

    Unaffiliated Observer said: “I am encouraged to see the reference to predisposition – at the federal level a defendant must provide the court with notice in advance of claiming entrapment. Once that notice is served, a hearing will be set and the prosecutor will attempt to prove predisposition. If the prosecutor succeeds (which they generally do), the entrapment defense is barred.”

    The issue of predisposition should be decided by the jury, since juries are supposed to be the deciders of facts and the judge is only supposed to settle questions of law. This issue is yet another one where government officials are allowed to read minds, and as long as they can spin a narrative around their preferred guess as to the thoughts and intent of their target, they generally prevail in court using leaps of logic like guilt by association, guilt based on what the defendant did decades earlier, etc.

    Meh said: “If you have a cell phone, it would be wise to remember when and when not to power it on, and when it should be perhaps powered on but not with you”.

    I’ll go with the latter: powered on but not with me. I’m not sure that powered off really means powered off. And I can imagine the conclusions the government would draw from a phone they are tracking being turned off and then on on a regular basis. And I remind everybody that any device capable of accessing the internet, these days, also has a microphone and a camera.

  28. OC VAGO Says:

    Powered on our off makes no difference! The device remains active! You can and will be traced, tracked and listened to at their discretion.

    Additionally for reading pleasure:
    Vodafone has published a report detailing how cops, g-men and spies around the world tap into its systems – in some cases, directly hooking into phone networks without a warrant.

  29. UnaffiliatedObserver Says:

    At the peak, Vodafone operated wireless carriers in 30 countries. Among their holdings was Verizon, fyi. ( 49.5% of the stock, if memory serves. )

    Advanced surveillance of communications systems has been with us for some time. Access to networks is built in. However, this has been limited to specified numbers in the past.

    Recent advances involve recording everything for use at some future date as opposed to performing surveillance only on specified targets.

    Also note that, on the issue of metadata (who called whom, when, and for what period of time), billing systems have held this data for ages. The corporations that have historically handled the billing should not be assumed to be trustworthy. See Amdocs.

  30. jj solari Says:

    re: “Carr’s career exemplifies the Sadistic State – a dysfunctional polity that can barely govern but which jealously retains its unique power to control and punish. The less capable the Sadistic State becomes of accomplishing basic governmental tasks the more preoccupied it becomes with asserting its power over its citizens as an end in itself.”………… this is an extremely interesting pair of sentences, articulating a gestalt that is essential to understanding the world we live in. it has one erroneous assumption that once i am done with it will result in the total enlightenment of all. the sole error is in the assumption that there are actually “basic governmental tasks.” there is no such thing as a governmental task that is divorced from making one stranger obey another. so there are no “basic governmental tasks” that actually exist. or that anyone needs. or that anyone actually wants. because all government tasks involve one stranger forcing another stranger to obey him for no reason. now, in fairness to all, if anyone knows of a “legitimate governmental task” i will be delighted and actually in a jizz-emitting state to hear of it. thank you everyone!

  31. Big T Says:

    I too am a victim of a wholly fabricated DEA/ATF case called operation shovelhead in Tampa ,Fl. The ATF agent and orchestrator was Steve Martin. I served 188mos. in the BOP. A lot of good men are still in, some for life, as a result of a very similar (almost exact) case. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. When will America wake up to GOVT. propaganda and lies? I am currently struggling to rebuild my life with great difficulty after losing it all, including my family.FTF!

  32. jj solari Says:

    re: the opening sentence in the posting “For at least 16 years an apparently psychopathic federal agent named John Carr has been framing innocent men.”………… you know, he is a psychopath even if, when he is not framing the innocent, he is arresting the “guilty.” because, you see, senyore carr has no actual personal vendetta or grudge or anything at all, actually, that could be interpreted as a vested interest or personal stake or need to get even or settle something with ANYONE he takes into custody or jockies into place for someone else to apprehend. so his total lack of conscience and complete absence of empathy and his delusion that he is personally responsible for the so called safety and well being of “the community” – which he probably defines as anyone he is not arresting at the moment – extends to everything he does….not just to his “framing of the innocent.” everyone he arrests is innocent insofar as they have never done anything to him personally. so he is a psychopath all the time. not just when he is framing the innocent. i felt it important to bring this aspect of carr’s personality, if you can call it a personality, to light.

  33. Dave Says:

    I heard something the other day from someone in the ATF. Apparently an unresolved murder here in the gulf states was the work of the DEA. Somehow they thought that a jet-skier was a smuggler and in their zest to stop him they “accidentally” killed him. Turned out that the victim had nothing to do with the person they sought, it was mistaken identity. They had to hide evidence and falsify other evidence. Recent events have made several officers in both agencies consider resigning. That’s all I heard.

  34. sherides Says:


    Is this the case where the wife was watching when he was shot? I thought the drug cartels were the culprits.

    I won’t ask what else you were talking to the ATF about….


  35. Stevo Says:


    Why would you be talking to them in the first place?


  36. Road Whore Says:

    Maybe he’s tring to infiltrate them for info. They attempt to do that to Clubs; maybe it’s time for bike folk to chat up the LEOs and find out what they can. Send a sleeper to the favorite cop hangout, get a table nearby, and keep your ears open.

    Ride Free

  37. Glenn S. Says:

    Some people fall into the trap of chatting with Officer Friendly, who seems like a good ol’ boy economically trapped in a job he once thought was all about protecting and serving but then learned was more about being the enforcement arm of the big gang.

    Others do bidness with Officer Corrupt, and fool themselves into thinking the pig is a friend or associate, not realizing that he will gladly throw them to the wolves if he gets in a jam, and that’s if he’s not already acting in an undercover capacity and is on a mission.

    The former type of pig has proven that he is stupid and ignorant for not realizing what he was getting into when he signed up. The latter type is a proven liar and back stabber who has already turned on his own kind and so will think nothing of turning on me or you.

    Not the kind of friends I want.

  38. Stevo Says:

    Well said Glenn.

    I don’t trust cops or anyone who talks to cops. I wouldn’t even ask the bastards for directions.


  39. Road Whore Says:

    @ Glenn S. and Stevo:

    I agree with you…ought to be a good way to spy on the fuckers though, if we could figure it out. Maybe it’s time for bikers to go all NSA on the feds and LEOs.

    Ride Free

  40. Mike Says:

    Gilbert Salinas.

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